Will This New Fast and Furious Revelation Force Holder to Resign? (Take Our Poll)
- Posted on July 31, 2012 at 11:33am by
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Representative Darrell Issa of California (Photo: AP)
Without any help from the Obama administration or the U.S. Department of Justice, GOP congressional investigators have determined that five senior officials with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) are together responsible for the failed federal gun-walking operation “Fast and Furious,” The Los Angeles Times reports.
The final report, which is expected to be released later this week, also reveals new evidence that shows agents from ATF in Phoenix initially tried to hide crucial information from the Mexican government about two firearms that were recovered after the brother of a Mexican state attorney general was killed in the country. The report claims the operation was “marred by missteps, poor judgements and inherently reckless strategy.”
Those implicated go from the ATF special agent-in-charge of the Phoenix field office to the top official in the bureau’s Washington headquarters. Attorney General Eric Holder has always denied any involvement of officials in Washington, D.C.
The congressional investigators said the report, obtained Monday by the Los Angeles Times, holds “the best information available as of now” about Fast and Furious, which led to Holder being found in contempt of Congress for failing to provide duly subpoenaed documents.
Two additional final reports will address “the devastating failure of supervision and leadership” at the DOJ and an “unprecedented obstruction of the [congressional] investigation by the highest levels of the Justice Department, including the attorney general himself.”
The joint staff report, authored by Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, and Charles E. Grassley of Iowa, the top Republican on theSenate Judiciary Committee, was highly critical of the ATF supervisors.
They found that William Newell, the special agent-in-charge in Phoenix, exhibited “repeatedly risky” management and “consistently pushed the envelope of permissible investigative techniques.” The report said “he had been reprimanded … before for crossing the line, but under a new administration and a new attorney general he reverted back to the use of risky gunwalking tactics.”
His boss, Deputy Assistant Director for Field Operations William McMahon, “rubber stamped critical documents that came across his desk without reading them,” the report alleged. “In McMahon’s view it was not his job to ask any questions about what was going on in the field.”
They added that McMahon gave “false testimony” to Congress about signing applications for wiretap intercepts in Fast and Furious.
His supervisor, Mark Chait, assistant director for field operations, “played a surprisingly passive role during the operation,” the report said. “He failed to provide oversight that his experience should have dictated and his position required.”
Above Chait was Deputy Director William Hoover, who the report said ordered an exit strategy to scuttle Fast and Furious but never followed through: “Hoover was derelict in his duty to ensure that public safety was not jeopardized.”
And they said Melson, a longtime career Justice official, “often stayed above the fray” instead of bringing Fast and Furious to an “end sooner.”
But, the investigators said, ATF agents said that they were hamstrung by federal prosecutors in Arizona from obtaining criminal charges for illegal gun sales, and that Melson “even offered to travel to Phoenix to write the indictments himself. Still, he never ordered it be shut down.”
In the November 2010 slaying in Mexico of Mario Gonzalez, the brother of Patricia Gonzalez, then attorney general for the state of Chihuahua, two of 16 weapons were traced back to Fast and Furious after they were recovered from a shootout with Mexican police.
But 10 days later, ATF Agent Tonya English urged Agent Hope MacAllister and their supervisor, David J. Voth, to keep it under wraps. “My thought is not to release any information,” she told them in an email.
When Patricia Gonzalez later learned that two of the guns had been illegally obtained under Fast and Furious, she was outraged. “The basic ineptitude of these officials [who ordered the Fast and Furious operation] caused the death of my brother and surely thousands more victims,” she said.
The following month, Agent Terry was killed south of Tucson. Voth emailed back, “Ugh … things will most likely get ugly.”
Roughly 2,500 guns were walked in operation Fast and Furious, supposedly in an attempt to track the guns back to high-ranking drug cartel members. However, the program was shut down after U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was killed in December 2010. At that point, most of the weapons had been lost, but two of the guns were recovered at the scene of Terry’s murder.
Attorney General Eric Holder (AP)
The five ATF managers that are indicated in the upcoming congressional report have since moved to other positions. They have either defended Fast and Furious in congressional testimony or refused to talk about it. The LA Times attempted to contact the officials but were unsuccessful Monday.
Additionally, Holder and the DOJ have always maintained that Fast and Furious was only conducted out of the Arizona offices and never involved officials in Washington, D.C., who he says were unaware of the flawed “tactics” being implemented. Holder has refused to turn over all the documents requested by a Congressional committee headed by Rep. Darrel Issa (R-Calif.) and Obama has granted executive privilege in the case, which has raised additional question about how involved the White House was in the operation.
So considering the new information, take our poll below:
Update: Read the first of the three-part report titled “Fast and Furious: The Anatomy of a Failed Operation, Part I of III” here.
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Comments (259)
thereaper
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 12:30pmHolders free pass is now null & void, congress now has all the proff they need to to put this away and they didn’t get it from Holder. Now all congress has to do is follow up, that is if thay have the guts?
Report Post »AJAYW
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 12:38pmNo Guts – it will never happen
Report Post »KeystoneState
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 12:42pmHere’s a pleasant though. If this country had leaders that respected the Constitution, the “ATF” would probably be nothing more than an awesome convenient store! But don’t mind me, I’m just a foolish Paulbot.
Report Post »the_system_disconnect
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 12:59pmThey’d better. I can’t wait for Holder and anyone else involved to go to jail for the coverup.
Report Post »AvengerK
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 1:02pmHolder has no shame. He will not resign.
Report Post »boncarbo7
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 2:17pmI hope this Black Racist is put away for a really long time.
Report Post »boomboom
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 2:33pmWith Boehner at the helm? Snowball’s chance in hell.
Report Post »Treaty
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 2:38pmI’m thinking Holder may be next years “Nobel Peace Prize” recipient.
Report Post »Gold Coin & Economic News
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 2:45pmHolder and Obama are more Teflon than Slick Willie ever was. Obama could be printing money with his picture on it on his ink jet printer in the White House residence quarters and Jay Carney would just say it is the new form of currency we will be using soon. Plus, Republicans are too sissified to really get the job done.
No, nothing will happen.
Report Post »turkey13
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 2:50pmCome on folks – contact your Congress person and tell them to drop this investigation – it is wasting tax payer dollars $$$. Holder and these heads of depts are on page 4 of Obamas pardon list. Therefore you can’t touch them.
Report Post »doomytram
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 3:11pmHolder’s crimes are unthinkable and he should be sentenced to a firing squad for treason to this great country. He will say it’s all about racism from all of the cowardice Americans, but it’s not about that…. Holder is a communist, cheating, lying, destroyer of American freedoms. A lanky 24 year white kid walked in without an ID and got a ballot to vote under Holder’s name. Soros and Holder have a bank of vote fraud team leaders, managing a squad of fraud voters to get Oblamer enough votes to steal the election to spite us… through the electoral college. ACORN and HOLDER hate the constitution and freedom loving, hard working Americans. Obama and Holder hate us and you. They hate enconiom and JZS too….They all of the sheeple and the informed too.
Report Post »Independent4233
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 3:17pm“Roughly 2,500 guns were walked in operation Fast and Furious, supposedly in an attempt to track the guns back to high-ranking drug cartel members.”
GPS tracking devices were NEVER placed in these weapons, so it would therefore be impossible to track them.
Let me repeat that. It would be impossible to track them.
So how were they supposed to find out where they went?
They didn’t care.
Their intentions were to have the Mex authorities pick up the weapons from crime scenes, relay the serial numbers to BATF who in turn would declare them to be US made weapons sold in the US for the purpose of using the scam to pretend gun control was necessary to halt the flow of weapons to Mexico.
People do not know that most all of the cartel weapons are fully automatic AK 47′s or M-16′s neither of which can be legally purchased across the counter in the US without a special permit from the BATF, so most all cartel weapons DO NOT ORIGINATE IN THE US.
They’re bought from the black market, Central and South America and from corrupt Mexicans in the Mex government.
If the biased US leftist press had so informed its readers of those facts this scam could never have made it to step one.
They didn’t do that, because they want gun control.
Report Post »getalong
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 4:09pmCongress does not have the guts to go through with it. Republicians continue to cow tow to this administration.
Report Post »000degrees
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 4:12pmHolder is in place to fry much bigger fish. He is a critical part of the “transformation”…..he’s not going anywhere…….
Report Post »Watchingtheweasels
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 4:21pmThe unfortunate reality is that the 40% of so anti-second amendment democrat voters in America could care less what Holder does, if some drug cartels are armed, or if a few border patrol agents get killed. That’s only collateral damage on the road towards a greater goal: disarming law abiding Americans. I think it is time we conservatives quit trying to make nice with those across the aisle as simply others who want the best for America through different means. The opposition is, in fact, evil. They are willing to excuse evil. When will we see that?
Report Post »NOT A CRAZY
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 4:57pm@Turkey13…You are worried about this little piddle of money with all of the money this government waste? I think it is a great place to “waste” money. The true waste of money is the money the taxpayer’s are paying to the racist turd that you claim this other money is being wasted on. If it was not for the fact that Holder and B.O. are covering their trail this investigation would have been over long ago.
Report Post »McFixit1
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 6:06pm@ Reaper, here is the proof you speak of; Here is an archival video that proves both holder and Obama were involved in Gun Runner and Tracer in March of 2009 and that Obama ordered it expanded. This Archival Video has direct proof that both Holder and Obama were in on what has been called Fast&Furious since 2009, including it’s expansion into Tracer ordered by Obama. This is the link to the video from CSPAN. ( http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/MexicoBor&showFullAbstract=1 ) Listen to the entire video of the official Press Conference dated March 2009.The time lines where Deputy AG Ogden specifically indicates their knowledge are at 16:04, 16:08, 16:58, and 17:15. Janet Napolitano also confirms other involvements at the end of the video. this was sent to Issa, his committee and selected members of congress in early July. So, why no action yet???
Report Post »McFixit1
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 6:10pmHere is an archival video that proves both holder and Obama were involved in Gun Runner and Tracer in March of 2009 and that Obama ordered it expanded. This Archival Video has direct proof that both Holder and Obama were in on what has been called Fast&Furious since 2009, including it’s expansion into Tracer ordered by Obama. This is the link to the video from CSPAN. ( http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/MexicoBor&showFullAbstract=1 ) Listen to the entire video of the official Press Conference dated March 2009.The time lines where Deputy AG Ogden specifically indicates their knowledge are at 16:04, 16:08, 16:58, and 17:15. Janet Napolitano also confirms other involvements at the end of the video. this was sent to Issa, his committee and selected members of congress in early July. So, why no action yet???
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 6:34pmCome on folks – contact your Congress person and tell them to drop this investigation – it is wasting tax payer dollars $$$. Holder and these heads of depts are on page 4 of Obamas pardon list. Therefore you can’t touch them
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They may be pardoned but the crimes must be known. If enough small fry & mid level bureaucrats get sent to the clink, then the next time some progressive political appointee asks him to do something illegal they will become a whistle blower instead.
It makes a difference in elections as well.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 6:40pmMcDave
Wass instrumental in the Clinton Whitehouse of pardoning the Puerto Rican terorists who bombed among other things the U.S. capital.
Leaned on people during the transition to the Obama Presidency to get the case against the Black Panthers in Philadephia dropped.
Involved in the OKC bombing cover up & maybe this was the 1st fast & furious.
http://www.westernjournalism.com/holder-was-responsible-for-168-deaths-in-the-1995-oklahoma-city-bombingand-more/
See a pattern here?
Report Post »Spirit 72
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 6:44pmLets see, didnt they arrest Holder already for not meeting their deadline (after 18 months of whining and begging)? Oooops no, I guess they didnt.
They talk a tough game and conservative principles, but do NOT know how to actually DO anything conservative.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 6:47pm“Fast and Furious” – Is Eric Holder Haunted by the Ghost of Timothy McVeigh?
http://www.redstate.com/cmndr45/2012/06/13/fast-and-furious-ghost-of-timothy-mcveigh/
Report Post »50211bs
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 7:03pmI don‘t think they’ll have the guts too.
Report Post »dmerwin
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 7:24pmTheir strategy is to get past the election and pardon every appointee involved.
Report Post »BFrezza
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 7:28pmCan you say “Presidential Pardon”???? Yes you can, and you had better believe it too. He’ll never serve a day in jail even though he should, and many others in this administration too.
Report Post »James
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 7:34pmCongress hasn’t the guts,Boehner has to go and Marco is no Conservative.
Report Post »Odessa FLA,
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Crazy-Horse
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 7:43pm@Walkabout
You guys don’t have a clue of the depth of Holders involvement in this fiasco. Keep guessing and perhaps you’ll get it right eventually.
Report Post »MCDAVE
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 7:52pm@WALKABOUT Thanks for the link Not surprised to see Clinton’s name in this Just add the murdered at Oklahoma city to the already long list of others who mysteriously died while he was president..Of coarse none of it will stick to the Teflon Don
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 7:54pmHOLDER worked for the ATF during the Waco incident, and JOE BIDEN conducted the congressional investigation!!!
Waco, Rules of Engagement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTg7Y9YJXR4
And guess who works for Obama now? Yep. The same two guys.
Here’s another kicker:
The Truth About The Ruby Ridge Massacre: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr94ELW701Q
Report Post »MCDAVE
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 8:14pm@walkabout… these links are the biggest story on the blaze tonight… may all the families of the dead of Oklahoma city learn the truth
Report Post »MCDAVE
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 8:19pm@CRAZY HORSE Post what you know
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 8:32pmMcDave
I just a little leery of mentioning InfoWars. However, I do not believe the government came clean with the OKC bombing. McVeigh wanted to blow something up. the government had informants & facilitated up to the point & Nichols got help from various Muslims in the Phillipines. There is much blame to go all around.
The Silent Brotherhood was going to finance its’ terror with bank robberies & the robbed at least 2 banks. Other terrorists groups have done the same.
“Trentadue’s evidence points to the fact that federal agents killed his brother because they mistook him for Richard Lee Guthrie, a member of the Midwest Bank Robbery Gang that included McVeigh and had been robbing banks before the attack. Guthrie was found hanging in his cell while in federal custody a day before he was due to give a confessional interview about the Oklahoma City bombing.”
http://www.infowars.com/confirmed-fbi-got-warning-day-before-okc-bombing/
Report Post »Crazy-Horse
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 8:34pm@MCDAVE
“@CRAZY HORSE Post what you know”
Why? What makes you think you are ready for it? I’ve read your posts and you are clearly not ready for the truth. I’ve sent my info to people that really matter. And you don’t matter.
Report Post »MCDAVE
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 8:45pmAll the pieces fall into place gun running, drug trafficking http://www.unsolvedrealm.com/2011/06/12/true-conspiracy-cias-history-of-drug-trafficking/ @crazy horse I might know more than you think I have posted many times about drug trafficking at the highest levels of our government.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 8:53pmcolt1860
I tend to believe that Khoresh might have been guilty of sexual abuse.
I also know that the Federal government could have taken Khoresh into custody when he was away form the “compound” many times. I read that Khoresh played checkers with the 30 something undercover agents who fooled no one.
BUT the Clinton’s wanted a photo op & General Reno went along with it. she was not made to fall on her sword because that would have taken the president too.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 9:18pm“Docments obtained by Salt Lake City attorney Jesse Trentadue in a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit show then Clinton Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder authorized members of the FBI to provide explosives to Oklahoma City bombing criminals Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols immediately prior to the April, 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah building.
Holder had authorized the FBI to provide the explosives to McVeigh and Nichols in conjunction with a Clinton Administration undercover operation named PATCON, an acronym for “Patriot Conspiracy.” As Jesse Trentadue describes it, “PATCON was designed to infiltrate and incite… militia[s] and evangelical Christians to violence so that the Department of Justice could crush them.”
Both Waco and Ruby Ridge are now known to have been PATCON inspired, Department of Justice plots. Shortly after the Oklahoma City bombing, Holder instructed FBI agents to recover from Terry Nichols any remainder of the explosives the Bureau had provided him and McVeigh…”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2822262/posts
Report Post »muffythetuffy
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 10:38pmI no longer see how we a nation of over 330 Million can continue to exist with this Federal form of Government. We must no mater what it takes change to something else maybe a Parliament. Until Holder I had faith and determination that our form of Government was best but it is not because men are dangerous to other men. I realize that this will cause millions of Americans to die but it will happen because it must. Our founders were right, once a nation looses it morals, democracy cannot work. Hitler also stated this and the democracy will end when no one comes to its defense.
Report Post »KissMyAmericanFlag
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 12:51pm@EricHolder Pack yer bags, ‘pal’, and scram quick!
Report Post »banjarmon
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 1:39pmHolder has NO HONOR!!!!
Report Post »ducks
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 3:14pmIssa and his committee certainly have the guts, but if the civil contempt of court charge does not result in anything meaningful, Holder will continue to be protected and nothing will happen.
Just another failure of government (among soo many others).
Report Post »Realist4U
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 3:17pmLet me guess…all five are caucasians?
Report Post »blackyb
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 3:40pmIf they can get Holder out, they can get Obama out. They both knew about it. They want the Americans who are law abiding to give up their guns when these idiots themselves are arming criminals. They have caused the murder of hundreds in Mexico and at least two that we know about here in the states. What more to they need to get this lying bunch of outlaws out of our Justice departments and put someone in who would be objective. Put someone there who will be able to help secure this country and not lie to the public or put us in danger from marauders and other criminals. They are criminals and lie like criminals. They cannot be trusted and have done nothing but lost the trust of the public. We do not need a politician in the Justice Department or any Law Enforcement agency. They should know the law and the Constitution by heart. They should have some judgement and know what is going on in this country. The American public seems to know, why are they pretending not to know unless they are purposefully trying to get people killed or allow criminals into this country. They could not be this stupid. Get rid of Napolitan too, for she is putting this country in imminent danger. They could not be this stupid. It must be to weaken this country strategically. These people are treasonous at the worst and stupid at the best and either way they need to Go.
Report Post »Fat Pappy
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 4:54pmSo even if they ouster Holder with a conviction, all it takes is one stroke of big O’s pen to grant him a pardon. You see folks, it’s all about honor, integrity and character, none of which are in the possession of Holder or his boss.
Report Post »Pigpen
Posted on August 1, 2012 at 11:08pmHEY! Does ANYONE here have the GUTS to mention the proverbial 600 lb Gorilla in this room? Holder, Panetta, Obummer, ALL of THEM had carefully, Carefully, CAREFULLY PLANNED to “walk” those guns into Mexico to accomplish ONE SIMPLE OBJECTIVE:
1. The very TRACEABLE “assault weapons” get into Mexico.
2. The very TRACEABLE “assualt weapons” are used by the cartels to whack a US Border guard.
3. The BLAME is placed on the GUN SHOWS that us R3DN3CKS frequent!
4. President Hussein calls upon all “true patriots” to assist him in passing legislation to BAN… wait for it… GUN SHOWS!!!
Why? Because the gun show is the last place on earth that it is still possible to buy a firearm without an eternal trace being put upon YOU as the owner! The filth have been trying to shutdown GUN SHOWS for a VERY LONG TIME, and this operation was how they intended to do it!
Don’t ANY of you CR@CKERS have to B@LLS to tell the TRUTH? Hope and Change = GET WHiT3Y !!! Eric Holder and President Hussein intend to make YOU H0NK3YS pay for the sins of your ancestors. WAKE UP!
Report Post »Trollkiller68
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 12:26pmI didn’t know until yesterday that Holder took part in the Oklahoma city bombing cover up. This guy’s hands are covered in the blood of innocent babes. Holder is an extremely evil and dangerous man without any remorse of conscious. He’s doomed to hell for eons, so why stop now? Hopefully the new Romney administration will sever the head of this brutal beast.
Report Post »LetUsReason
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 2:20pmHolder’s career is riddled with unconscionable acts. He is one of the worst people in the administration. He gives no thought for right or wrong, only how he can get ahead.
Report Post »WAKEUPUSA2012
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 2:28pmA NOBEL LIE
Great Movie about the INSIDE JOB of OKC bombing. I just wish the neoconservatives would watch it.
Report Post »BDBerzerker
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 2:54pmHe helped in Waco too.
Report Post »Heffe44
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 3:08pmHe was also the second gunman on the grassy knoll.
Report Post »Watchingtheweasels
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 4:23pmIf the Romney administration is going to do that, they had better start by demanding and accepting the resginations of all the Obama political operatives…something that Bush was unwilling to do of Clinton appointees. The end result was that the Bush presidency moved forward with a progressive bureaucracy entrenched in D.C…
Report Post »MCDAVE
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 4:29pm@TROLLKILLER Please post a link to Holders involvement in the Oklahoma bombing cover up.I have not heard abut this.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 9:33pmWAKEUPUSA2012
I don;t believe that people in the FBI would plot to blow up the Murrah building in OKC. I do believe that they would infiltrate egg people on & then stop them before they could act.
The FBI had informants in the white racist city of Elohim, Oklahoma. If there is a white racist organization of a “large” size the FBI has an informant or undercover agent in it. They knew that McVeigh was up to something & approximately what & approximately when.
How much did they know. The records all need to be published un-redacted.
That squirrel Nichols knows more but isn’t talking.
That is until Fast & Furious. Still it is one thing for one or two people to get killed at a time with a government provided gun. It is another to kill a whole building of people.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 9:37pm“Docments obtained by Salt Lake City attorney Jesse Trentadue in a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit show then Clinton Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder authorized members of the FBI to provide explosives to Oklahoma City bombing criminals Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols immediately prior to the April, 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah building.
Holder had authorized the FBI to provide the explosives to McVeigh and Nichols in conjunction with a Clinton Administration undercover operation named PATCON, an acronym for “Patriot Conspiracy.” As Jesse Trentadue describes it, “PATCON was designed to infiltrate and incite… militia[s] and evangelical Christians to violence so that the Department of Justice could crush them.”
Both Waco and Ruby Ridge are now known to have been PATCON inspired, Department of Justice plots. Shortly after the Oklahoma City bombing, Holder instructed FBI agents to recover from Terry Nichols any remainder of the explosives the Bureau had provided him and McVeigh…”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2822262/posts
Here‘s the ATF under Clinton’s administration:
Waco, Rules of Engagement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTg7Y9YJXR4
Report Post »whatthecrazy
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 12:18pmHolder and obama are just as responcible as the poor sacraficial fools that they are going to have to make an example of for carrying out thier evil plans.
Report Post »Constructionist
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 12:18pmSomewhere in the White House a liberal is carefully considering what the definition of “is” is…
Report Post »SquidVetOhio
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 1:03pmTrue dat!
Report Post »QuincySmith
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 12:18pmSorry, didn’t see a poll, could not respond – I hope he does not resign, that would be too easy for the oblama administration. Keeping him on board keeps fast and furious, NBP voter intimidation, and other ‘gaffes’ front and center. If he leaves, so does some of the mud.
Report Post »MCDAVE
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 4:36pmWould you leave such an evil person in control of anything, Take him out before he causes any more deaths
Report Post »QuincySmith
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 4:56pmDave;
(If you are not a troll), leaving him in office helps ensure he will be unemployed in six months.
Report Post »MCDAVE
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 6:51pmQUINCY Not a troll .. Read my posts I hate Holder for all the deaths he has caused,
Report Post »He surely deserves the death penalty…We know the truth Why leave such an evil Bas##&d in a Public office to do more harm..
cdn1979
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 12:14pmi don’t udnerstand. issa complains he does not have access to information required to make the informed decisions about this investigation, yet he is able to make accusation after accusation with no proof. he admits he does not have the proof as he keep requesting this information. issa is a snake. don’t get me wrong, holder messed up huge and will resign eventually. issa is making this 100% political.
Report Post »OniKaze
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 12:28pmThis NEEDS to be political…
And you are wrong.. Holder will NOT resign… He won’t leave that office until he is forced out… Issa is doing exactly what he should be doing.. And MAYBE your right about him lacking evidence.. But its not for a lack of evidence, its that ALL of the evidence is in the possession of Holder and Obama and they aren’t coming off of it, due to the fact you would see that BOTH of them are guilty of this debacle and covered it up to lie about it…
Many people died because of this… Not just here, but a lot of innocent people in Mexico died as well.. Don’t you think that THEY deserve some slight bit of Justice by having those responsible HELD responsible??
Its a shame the Agent Terry died from this… But his job was dangerous, and had risks that I am sure he accepted… He died, and it was a shame… But the innocent Mexican civilians did NOT sign up for a job that got them murdered… THEY require Justice…
And neither Holder nor Obama have any clue what the word even means…
Report Post »team1blazer
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 12:31pmThe evidence points to Holder…Holder has lied repeateadly, stonewalled, stalled and obfuscated the truth. Yes he is guilty. Now, it’s time for the Seargent at Arms of the U.S. Congress to place this traitor under arrest, and try him for treason.
Report Post »Zipit
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 12:40pmReally CDN? Is it that you just don’t pay any attention, or are you a dumba$$?
Report Post »kryptonite
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 1:06pm@CDN
No, friend, you are confused. The doKuments Issa is requesting and Holder won’t turn over involve the WH and DOJ cover-up. Those will NEVER be disclosed. That is why there is a forthcoming Committee report describing an “unprecedented obstruction of the [congressional] investigation by the highest levels of the Justice Department, including the attorney general himself.”
Issa DOES have proof that these other officials were involved. Some of that evidence, e.g., an email, is mentioned in the above article.
Report Post »BillyBob117
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 2:45pmNice clown posting—-did your spaceship just land on Earth—–RU an anti gun nut and thus cannot see what F&F was really about—-watch out, that snake will bite you—–
Report Post »Landon410
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 12:11pmeveryone also needs to remember that Holder has superior knowledge
Report Post »Constructionist
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 12:22pmSomeone should youtube trying that excuse after getting caught cheating red-handed by their wife.
“Honey, it’s not what it looks like… I have superior knowledge.”
Report Post »Landon410
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 12:30pmI think I’ll try that with the IRS, I won’t pay in any taxes, when they audit me, I’ll tell them that I will not cooperate because I have superior knowledge of the situation
Report Post »Captain Morgan
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 12:11pmHopefully Issa can now pressure these guys with the threat of jail time to force them to open up about their knowledge about higher officials that were involved
Report Post »Landon410
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 12:11pmwhat makes anyone think this weasel would do the right thing?
Report Post »azcowboy1
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 11:57amI can’t wait to hear what Mr. Carney says… lol
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 2:27pmJust pull the string on his back. Although they have to be careful, everyonce in a while Carney does say “The cow goes MOOO”.
Report Post »arbeauchamp
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 11:57amRemember…………….nothing is as it appears.
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 11:57amHolder‘s a freakin’ Marxist. Since when do these types of minds obey laws, or behave like a traditional American? They’re lawless because they feel laws or only for the serfs.
It’s really a waste of time. Holder won‘t resign because he’s a complete dirt bag. Probably around half of Americans either don’t care what he did, or don’t understand that what he did – normal Americans would never do.
Looking forward to about 30 years from now when another generation of slackers begins picking up steam. We’re really in for it, folks.
Report Post »Mil-Dot
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 12:05pmHaus is on the money. You see, only people of honor resign when they do something wrong and are called out on it. Holder will NEVER resign no matter what evidence is brought forth about anything. He just does not possess the honor or integrity to be embarrassed. He is a low-life snowman hater. That is what drives his whole life.
Report Post »Carbine
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 11:53amNothing except raw force from the Sargent at arms from the house will force Holder or Barry out of their holes. This administration is the most lawless, treasonous, corrupt group we have ever seen in DC. BTW that is going some….! These people are neither honorable nor just. They have already violated their oaths of office in so many ways that it is almost inconceivable. Like Clinton, they get caught doing something crooked and corrupt and then they triple the offense. Somehow the original offense gets lost in the plethora of offenses that follow and everyone looses interest because of to much information about these sleezbags. It will take many years to have any faith in the DOJ again.
Report Post »HKS
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 11:49amLook up arrogance in the dictionary and you will find a picture of Eric Holder. Behind him will be the rest of this administration, all smiling.
Report Post »MittensKittens
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 12:01pmI’m surprised at the poll…most think it won’t matter but it should…WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO WAKE UP AND STAND UP!
Report Post »azcowboy1
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 12:23pmmitten, I voted that he wouldn’t but should. Our leader (lol) will cover this jerk no matter what. Unless we can impeach this leader in the next 90 days, that the way it will go. Watch. I hope I’m wrong.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 11:47amWhat about the judgement about the DOJ “political” interference in the NBPP at the polls ? Is that not also worthy of this guy’s removal ? How many constitutional “ crimes” will it take?
Report Post »whatthecrazy
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 12:09pmApparently as many as they want to the point of being just plain evil.Lord help us……………
Report Post »dumbdumberdumbest
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 11:46amNothing will be done just as when Hitler was reported by the German Press in the 30′s as the savior to get the German people out of the depression. There are no GOP Leaders who will stand up to the Obama Oppressive machine.
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 11:58amBachmann does, then she gets thrown under the bus by the candy-assed RINO’s.
Report Post »historyguy48
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 12:04pmComrade why should they? Most of them are “Progressives” also.
Report Post »MCDAVE
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 4:53pmMy guess is Most have taken corrupt money. I think fear of exposure is how Obama controls them..Trillions of dollars in stimulus money just evaporated It sure didn’t go towards improving the economy,,I suspect the Politicians got their share. Crime Inc is an accurate description of our leadership..here is the proof http://american-trojan-horse.blogspot.com/
Report Post »wboehmer
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 11:45amHolder & the rest of the Øbama Adminstration don’t care if they get caught doing wrong . . .
they don’t even know the difference between right & wrong, nor do they care.
Report Post »Walkabout
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 10:38pmwboehmer
they don’t even know the difference between right & wrong, nor do they care.
Report Post »***
Right & wrong is hardwired into the brain thru evolution. There is some wiggle room, but not enough to pardon what they are doing. Evolution doesn’t account for all of our sense of right & wrong. That is where God comes in.
John 3:16
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 11:45amHolder is a racist punk hired by Obama another racist punk !!!
Report Post »thegreatcarnac
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 1:54pmThat is true. He should be fired for being biased against white people and helping black criminals (the black panthers).
Report Post »Goohuman
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 11:41amWe shouldn’t have a National Police like the ATF. In other countries, the police force that falls directly under the top leadership often is used to control the masses when the people don’t agree with the leadership. The police should be all about the spirit of the law and unuseable by politicians.
Report Post »kindling
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 11:52amYep…and it is happening again. Holder has made it clear which people are going to be protected and which are not.
Report Post »huey6367
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 11:40amI want it shown the Bo was a part of this. Unfortunately, he is so well protected by his minions, it will never be provable. So then, start chipping away at the foundation of “Camelot” and maybe that will bring it down.
Report Post »huey6367
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 11:47amDidn’t answer the obvioius question. Holder willnot resign. He is a lawyer and LOVES to argue.
Report Post »Unbelievable
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 11:39amAre you kidding me? Holder resign? This dude is so arrogant that no matter what he will not resign!! The only way to get rid of this lowlife is to vote Obama out in November… Just one more reason to make sure we and everyone we know gets out and vote for Romney!
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 12:01pmHolder’s one of those types that never would be in the position he finds himself in (AG) if most Americans had a moral compass with a matching set of stones – to admonish and shame guys like this and never allow them to advance up the political ladder.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 11:39amHolder will never resign; Obama will shield him to the end unless he needs to offer up Holder as a sacrificial goat.
Report Post »CatB
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 11:48amand Holder will shield Obama ….
Report Post »arbeauchamp
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 11:58amHolder will be out of office in January, thankfully. All we ask is to have honest leaders with integrity. With 3 billion people in the country, it can’t be too much to ask.
Report Post »Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 11:38amIf he was caught with an underage prostitute, a sheep, a kilo of cocaine, and dressed as the gimp live on TV, he would not resign. The only way he will leave that office is kicking and screaming.
Report Post »eagle2715
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 11:46amThank you for that hilarious yet horrible mental imagery….
Report Post »RightThinking1
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 11:47amKind of like Hannibal Lector being transported, strapped to a hand cart…
Report Post »planecrashlaw
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 12:04pmJust his showing up as an African American was enough for a typical Blazer to want him gone. Just like our President. Everything else is just an excuse to mask the real reason for your hatred of these men.
Report Post »OhioRifleman
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 12:21pm@ Plane Crash Law
Only a true racist can see racism in a discussion centering on illegal actions taken against a foreign state. The rest of us see a crime of mass-murder proportions.
Report Post »Altair
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 12:52pmplanecrashlaw
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 12:04pm
Just his showing up as an African American was enough for a typical Blazer to want him gone. Just like our President. Everything else is just an excuse to mask the real reason for your hatred of these men
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Another sick comment from another sick lawyer.
Report Post »Zipit
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 1:07pmThat’s funny there PlANECRASH! I seem to recall that it was Holder who said that he did not view himself as the Attorney General, but as “ The Black Attorney General”? I could be wrong, or maybe I’m just a racist hater!!!
Report Post »Pium Vir
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 11:38amI don’t want him to resign, I want him to rot in prison where he belongs…..
Report Post »team1blazer
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 11:59amClose, but no cigar. I want him tried for treason and sedition (along with BHO and Incompetano). I want them tried publicly, convicted and hanged.
Report Post »Mandors
Posted on July 31, 2012 at 11:38amGOP, just a bit of advice: Stop waiting for liberals to “do the honorable thing.” They have no honor and no shame.
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