With Ron Paul Out, Is Rand Paul In? We Ask Him
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TAMPA, FL - AUGUST 28: U.S. Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) (C) listens to a man speak during the Republican National Convention at the Tampa Bay Times Forum on August 28, 2012 in Tampa, Florida. Credit: Getty Images
Tonight, the Republican National Convention will air a video tribute to the career of Texas Congressman Ron Paul, as Paul himself bows out. Arguably the most doctrinaire libertarian ever to run for national public office, Ron Paul is likely to go down in GOP political history as a game changer, in spite of the polarizing responses he engenders from Republicans, some of whom see Ron Paul as an anti-American radical hiding behind the constitution, while others see him as the lats principled defender of the original system laid out by the Founders on the political scene.
Either way, now Ron Paul will soon be gone. And like conservative movement hero Barry Goldwater, he is survived by a thriving and vibrant movement that will do everything in its power to ensure that the Texas Congressman’s pro-liberty legacy is carried on everywhere. Which raises the question: Without Ron Paul, who will this insurgent movement turn to as their next standard bearer? Who will be the Ronald Reagan to Ron Paul’s Goldwater?
The obvious answer is Kentucky Senator Rand Paul, if only because he is the son of the original founder of the movement himself. Yet some of the elder Paul’s supporters are skittish about the younger Paul due to his more open flirtation with the establishmentarian elements of the GOP. Nothing exemplifies this tension more than Senator Paul’s endorsement of former Massachusetts Governor and 2012 Republican nominee Mitt Romney – an endorsement his father conspicuously refused to make – which has frightened many of the Texas Congressman’s more radical supporters away from his son.
Rand Paul himself is modest on this point. “I don‘t think anyone can really get credit and say I’m the new leader of the Ron Paul movement,” Rand Paul told TheBlaze. “There are hundreds of delegates out there that are avid Ron Paul fans.”
Indeed. And not all of them like him. Brian Paukert, a Paul delegate from Minnesota, summed up the anti-Rand attitude well when he told TheBlaze, “I know there‘s some people within the liberty movement that aren’t happy he endorsed Mitt Romney…I know he shares a lot of the same ideals, I personally like him but there are other people in the movement that could fill that position.”
Never let it be said that these Ron Paul supporters choose the easy way, when it conflicts with their principles.
And to an extent it‘s true that Rand Paul isn’t as much of a stickler for exact principle as his father, though he’s scarcely willing to abandon his convictions.
“We’re all Republicans because we think the Republican party is the party of limited government, the party of obeying the Constitution,” Rand Paul told theBlaze. “Whether a Republican‘s in the White House or a Democrat’s in the White House, one thing that I will say is that I will fight for a balanced budget, and I will fight for limited government no matter who’s there.”
The negative reaction to this more mild approach, however, is not universal. More practical-minded Ron Paul supporters see the endorsement of Romney by Rand Paul as a feature, rather than a bug, believing that it signals shrewdness on the part of the younger Paul that his father simply lacked. A June 18 Business Insider story notes:
For more pragmatic Paulites, however, the surprise endorsement was a shrewd political ploy that puts the younger Paul front and center in the national spotlight, and positions him as a leading figure in the Republican Party, with his eyes set on 2016.
James Milliman, Sen. Paul’s state director, explained the logic to a group of Young Republicans in Louisville, Ky., last week:
“As a practical matter, you have to endorse a candidate before the convention — Romney is going to get the nomination, no doubt about that at all, so it behooves everyone to have Sen. Paul to endorse him before the convention,” Milliman said. ”It could enable Sen. Paul to have a prime speaking role at the convention, and his dad to have a prime speaking role at the convention. I think those things factored in.”
The remarks — the Paul team’s most candid comments yet regarding the endorsement — appear to suggest that the younger Paul is more concerned with attaining star status within the GOP than with retaining his father’s army of diehard fans.[...]
The younger Paul‘s willingness to pander to the Republican Party’s far-right conservative base reveals a political intuition and skill that was notably absent from his father’s political career. Although Ron Paul is against abortion, his refusal to market this position has been a source of constant consternation among his socially conservative supporters.[...]
“Rand would not have done this without his dad’s okay,” Milliman told the Louisville Young Republicans. ”So if his dad is fine with it, I think everybody else will be fine with it.”
If this is Rand Paul’s strategy, it seems to have been widely noticed by long-time political observers, many of whom believe he is a lock for the title of libertarian standard bearer within the GOP, and almost certainly a future Presidential candidate. Political scientist and veteran election predictor Larry Sabato told theBlaze, “I‘ll be surprised if he doesn’t run for president. He’s young and inherits an insurgent machine, at least presumptively. I have no idea whether he will run in 2016 or some other year, but there is always one or more slots for an antiestablishment candidate in the GOP primaries.”
Sabato may well turn out to be right about Rand Paul’s “presumptive” inheritance of his father’s “insurgent machine.” However, current indicators, especially after the bruising floor fight with Romney supporters yesterday, are that the Ron Paul base is in no hurry to support a candidate willing to entertain any kind of compromise, last name or no. In a Politico story from yesterday titled “Ron Paul movement not ready to pass the torch to Rand Paul,” a few alarming quotations leap out:
“I was kind of on thin ice with Rand, and then he went and endorsed Romney. And I said, ‘Dude, that’s it! We’re done now,’” said Nick Tanzillo, 27, who flew here from Boston for a Paul rally on Sunday. “He didn’t need to do it when he did. It really cracked the liberty movement. You’ve got the hardcore Ron supporters saying, ‘What are you doing to us?’”
“It looks like he’s pandering to the party,” added 30-year-old Marshall Soell from San Antonio.”[...]
A lot of Paul supporters whisper about the younger Paul voting for sanctions on Iran. In fact, to get his support language was added that made it clear the law being passed did not authorize military force against Iran or Syria.
Rand Paul himself was coy on the question of whether he can carry on his father’s legacy when TheBlaze caught up with him. However, he did seem to speak with an outsized degree of authority when describing the amount of influence his father’s movement had wielded with regard to the GOP platform. He also didn’t foreclose the possibility of being a Presidential candidate in the future. You can watch his exclusive interview with TheBlaze at the Republican National Convention in Tampa:
Rand Paul has also been taking a more aggressive stance in favor of his father’s supporters recently, telling TheBlaze that the GOP needs libertarians if it’s going to survive.
“I think what you have to do, and this is where the Ron Paul libertarian Republicans come in; there‘s several parts of the country where we’re not winning at all. No one’s projecting that Romney has a chance in California. Probably not in Oregon or Washington. New England? We win almost nothing in New England. So maybe we ought to reconsider what our approach is, that maybe accepting these libertarian Republicans who might be a little bit different on some issues, maybe a little bit less aggressive on foreign policy, maybe a little bit more tolerant of people’s personal lifestyles, that maybe that kind of thing might attract more moderates, independents in the areas we’re not winning,” Rand Paul told TheBlaze. “So I think the Republican party ought to have a strategy about not just how to incorporate Ron Paul people, but find the best spokesmen from the movement and get them to run in states where we’re not winning.”
In the end, given the political clout Rand Paul is amassing in the GOP, it’s not unreasonable to gather that, even if Ron Paul‘s most diehard supporters aren’t quite willing to accept him yet, he still has a credible chance at becoming a major figure in the party, and possibly a Presidential or Vice Presidential candidate in the future.
More to the point, it‘s not clear who in the elder Paul’s orbit would be more willing to advance his strident brand of libertarian thinking than his son. The only other successful high profile endorsement that the elder Paul has made went to Texas Senatorial candidate Ted Cruz. And while Cruz is assuredly a rising star, to call him a Ron Paul Republican is a bit of a stretch, given Cruz’s tenure in the Bush White House and chummy relationship with the very same social conservatives and foreign policy conservatives that Rand Paul has been cozying up to.
Some Ron Paul supporters will likely gravitate toward former New Mexico Governor and Libertarian Party Presidential candidate Gary Johnson, at least in the short run, and those with a deep knowledge of members of Congress may throw their weight behind Congressman Justin Amash of Michigan. However, neither Johnson nor Amash possesses the kind of star power or broad-based support that Rand Paul or Cruz have, and making them the new standard bearers of the liberty movement might push the burgeoning group back to the fringes of the GOP.
Then again, given the abundance of new blood in the GOP, the Ron Paul movement’s youthful sheen might be losing a little of its glamor. Fresh faced candidates like Mia Love, whose speech electrified the Republican National Convention last night, may do more to bring in a new crop of young people not suffering from the post-traumatic reaction to George W. Bush that is common in some Paul supporters. Similarly, Vice Presidential candidate Paul Ryan’s youthful image may be drawing in younger voters, if recent polls are any guide, and Ryan himself could end up a young person’s Presidential candidate several years down the road, and one that carries appeal for Ron Paul’s fiscally minded supporters.
Indeed, in a GOP increasingly dominated by economic issues, the biggest challenge for supporters of Ron Paul may be staying separate from the wider party at all. And without a standard bearer with the last name “Paul,” it is looking increasingly questionable whether they will be able to do that.
UPDATE: Will Cain of Real News from TheBlaze weighed in from a contrary perspective.
“Rand Paul’s potential as the leader of the Republican Party is limited. He’s advocated for the end of the federal drug war,” said Cain. “But Rand Paul’s potential as a leader of the Republican Party is unlimited. He’s already responsible for pushing, from the edges of the Senate, the Republican Party in a libertarian direction.
UPDATE: The Ron Paul tribute video is epic, with a soundtrack that sounds like it could have come from a Jerry Bruckheimer trailer.
“I knew I did not want to be a politician all my life,” Ron Paul says in the video.
There’s a surprising amount of reconciliation in the video. Along with Rand Paul, Senators Jim DeMint, Mike Lee and even Mitch McConnell, as well as Congressmen Jimmy Duncan, Justin Amash and Walter Jones speak in tribute to Ron Paul.
“Whether we want to admit it or not, Ron Paul changed the conversation,” McConnell says.
UPDATE: Rand Paul’s speech took off around 7:30. He began with a strong attack on Obamacare.
“I’ve had time to count to ten, and you know what? I still think it’s unconstitutional,” he said. “Do you think Justice Scalia and Justice Thomas have changed their minds?”
The speech was full of historical references, and also highly negative. Paul personalized his attacks on the President’s “You didn’t build that” gaffe, and makes more than a few attacks on an oft-overlooked part of the President’s remarks – the President’s sneer at innate intelligence. One got the sense that Paul was personally offended, when he said that the remarks were an insult to children who stayed up late, studying to become doctors. Rand Paul also pulled in a lot of references to immigrant families into his speech, holding up their success as an exemplar of what President Obama has been attacking.
Ron Paul also got a nod early in the speech, when Rand Paul referenced (to loud applause) one of his father’s Presidential runs.
There was a subtle nod to the distinction between American republicanism and American democracy, when Paul said, “The Republic of Washington and Jefferson is becoming the Democracy of debt and despair.”
The crying guy in Wisconsin must be having a fit.
Rand Paul also made serious rhetorical demands on his audience. There were more than a few slaps at GOP orthodoxy in his speech, specifically against military spending and for civil libertarianism.
“We must never trade our liberty for any fleeting promise of security,” he said.
Still, Paul’s closing line was probably the most fierce counter to “You didn’t build that” yet. “You did build that. You earned that. You worked hard. You studied. You labored. You did build that,” Paul said. “And you deserve America’s undying gratitude for you, the individual, are the engine of America’s greatness.”
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pissantno.10
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 6:09pmwow space cadets central do do do do do
Report Post »righthanddrive
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 6:00pmDid anyone catch CNN’s Wolfie pleading with Rand Paul to condemn the RNC practice of not announcing the Ron Paul tally last night? Poor Wolfie had to go home empty handed as Rand Paul stayed on message. I am watching the convention on the three lefty channels just for fun.
Report Post »PS: Thank the sweet lord Gov. Sunnunu is a GOPer and on the right side. Hope the folks noticed how he did make mincemeat of the PBS reporter who asked a question re: the tone of the convention.
justangry
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 6:13pmThey’re all lefty channels. Fox is just more conservative than the others on taxes, regulations and social issues.
Report Post »passingby
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 5:56pmI have a lot of respect for Rand. We need more true conservatives like him in Washington. The GOP is really lacking leadership at this point, and quite frankly is back to the usual business of RINO politics. Unless there is a real shakeup and change, this party will go the way of the Whigs.
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 5:34pmleaders many of them to come.
Report Post »ThoreauHD
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 5:02pmI’ll “believe” in anyone that upholds and defends the US Constitution. And so far, all of those are Libertarians and Tea Party members. You need a magnifying glass to find a Republican that can talk about the Constitution without cue cards.
Report Post »MCDAVE
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 11:05pmso true
Report Post »drandall
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 4:49pmRand Paul will fade into the abyss of the phony left/right paradigm……..just another tell you what you want to hear at the moment politician!
Report Post »SychinLegacy
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 4:18pmI want you all to remember in four years, when the country is still headed in the same direction, all these moments where you called Ron Paul and the libertarians crazy for being constitutional.
And ESPECIALLY remember in four years, when Iran STILL HAS NOT DONE ANYTHING TO ISRAEL” how you all said he was crazy.
Still waiting for that impending attack Iran was supposed to launch back in February that Beck swore his life on. Guess the Ayatollah doesn’t have a good sense of timing?
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 6:15pm@Sych, Good to see ya, man. I‘m sure they’ll have their excuses. Like “it‘s Obama’s fault.”
Report Post »v15
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 8:05pm@SYCH, You Ron Paul supporters are always quick to demonize America’s Foreign Policy as an imperialist nation and tote 9/11 as “blowback”. Ron Paul does not understand – nor do most politicians – the way Muslims think and view everyone else in the world. We’ve given foreign aid to the middle east and they hate us. We help their people overthrow oppressive regimes and they hate us for it. Hell, even when we sit back and do nothing and they still hate us. You just need to face the fact that you cannot appease these people no matter what you do. I don’t believe in nation building but we were instrumental in helping the Jews have a country of their own. I don’t think we should ever turn our back on Israel. We’re allies…so when Iran threatens to wipe Israel off the earth, we would be stupid not to take them seriously.
Go ahead and be an isolationist like Ron Paul. Ron Paul’s voting record of “did not vote” shows how spineless he has been as a politician. A total narcissistic coward. I applaud him for taking on the FED but, to me, our national security should remain our top priority. He and you so-called “constitutionalists” are so stubborn that you’ll divide the right and let the left win just to try and prove a point.
Report Post »resme
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 9:13pm@v15, I stopped reading at imperialism.
http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/wars-galore/
Report Post »ashestoashes
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 9:31pm@V15 Ron Paul only gave the “blow back” “story” because that was the “findings” of the CIA…The family of the Rothschild.(who are said to be from the tribe of Dan, and referred to as the “serpent” (Gen 49:17) in the bible..have been about to seize control of the world from the beginning..They were behind Hitler in killing not only 6 million Jews..but 7 million Catholics, Christians., dissidents..union workers..and the handicapped..They along with other New World Order Companies like Shell Oil Merriman..Kuhm Loeb Bank and Brown Bros. funded him..There were 150,000 Hebrews in Hiter’s military..one would become Israel’s Prime minister..the real Jews are not Zionists..they say Zionists are the NWO Communist Power hungry Greedy ones which are referred to as Ash Kanazi Jews..They would be involved in the Federal Reserve and International Banking System..the US Liberal Party.our news media and film industry..The Rothschilds were behind the Bolsheveks in Russia..killing 20 million Russians..It is said that they started the war of 1812 to get their bank here..Instigated the Civil War,,World War 1 and 2 and funded all sides and murdered our Presidents..They more than likely hired the terrorists to do us on 911 for the purpose of war to bankrupt us, turn us into a police state. Banks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJy4gSG8Q3w FBI Translater. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=ylKWivA3B4M&NR=1
Report Post »9/11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28tE0fKpISM
cous1933
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 11:12pmV15,
Report Post »Since you are obviously so much more informed on “how Muslims think”- even more so than people like Michael Scheuer (The former CIA head of the Osama bin Laden unit – who agrees with Paul), please tell us where your vast Muslim knowledge comes from? Is it from the media? The government? Or have you spent significant time in the Middle East studying their customs and religion? Do you believe that your government always tells you the truth? Do you think your government has ever used propaganda to promote a secret agenda? Have you ever researched the events and the steps that led to our involvement in WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam,and every other war since? Do you think that every single one was necessary “to protect our freedoms” and to “make the world safe for democracy”? Is it possible that Wilson, Roosevelt, and other war presidents knew that involvment in war increased their power?
I think what you know is that some Muslim extremists have committed acts of terrorism and (with a little help from war-mongering neo-cons and progressives who control the media) concluded that if we don’t spend the rest of eternity over there killing as many Muslims as possible, they will swarm over here and make us all become Muslim. I think your fears are misplaced. The real threat to us is the leviathon federal government that has been eroding our freedom and commiting legalized plunder on our wealth for a hundred years.
MCDAVE
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 11:24pm@ASHES I have also read about the Rothschild’s financing wars…Follow the money to the real evil doers in the world http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_financed_Hitler%27s_war_machine_before_the_start_of_the_war Same people still at it today, How much war would their be if we stopped the Banksters funding It…So few people know the truth.
Report Post »MCDAVE
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 11:51pmIf more people were willing to do some research on wars and who benefits from them.They might want to rethink why we do it..All wars are fought for economic gains for the Global bankers…I can think of no bigger waste of time, resources and lives….My father spent the last ten years of his life researching this financial connection involving war and the New world order…The NWO has taken control of our government and is pure evil….
Report Post »DLV
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 9:26amCous- Yes, wars generally increase the person‘s powers leading it just look at history it isn’t exactly new. That being said WW 1 and 2 were official wars declared by Congress so there was far more agreement that America was in trouble I mean the Japs attacked us. If you really think ww 1 and especially ww2 were unnecessary then you’re pretty high. No I don’t believe everything the government says just what common sense tells me. As for Korea, Vietnam and yes those were unconstitutional though it’s debatable whether they were necessary. I still don‘t like RP’s view on foreign policy though with domestic issues I agree with him. It’s foolhardy at this stage to pull out U.S. forces out in the world especially in vulnerable areas. No, I don’t want to continue to to get into wars but pulling out is just unlikely especially with our allies. For instance, take Japan there is a reason why we have such a big presence there is because their constitution since ww2 says they can’t have an army and they need us for protection. Why are we not helping our friends Israel? By themselves they will be crushed by muslim forces. Contrary to belief they cannot “handle” it on their own. They are surround and if Israel pulls something on Iran they will be crushed like Aragorn and Theodon’s forces were crushed in LOTR. By themselves like the good guys in LOTR, stand no chance against the forces of evil. We don‘t just abandon allies that’s inhumane and I abaolutely disagree with RP ov
Report Post »black9897
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 5:35pmFor the last time…Ron Paul is NOT an isolationist. Yeah, those who follow the koran hate us. Does it mean we go out and start wars? No, just means we need a strong home defense…like RP wants! How about that.
Report Post »cous1933
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 10:27pmDLV,
Both Wilson and Roosevelt wanted to get involved in wars that didn’t involve us. Churchill also needed American military help. The thought of getting involved in the wars was very unpopular with the American people. Wilson and Roosevelt both needed an incident that would sway public opinion. Research the information and warnings that were intentionally ignored prior to the Lusitania and Pearl Harbor attacks. I know the neocons will falsely accuse me of having a “blame America” attitude, like Ron Paul is also falsely accused of. I (like Ron Paul) am not “blaming” the American people of anything (except maybe being victimized by government propaganda). The only blame I place is on the corrupt politicians who have no problem sacrificing hundreds of thousands of lives for their own power and position. So, to answer your immature accusation, no- I’m not “high”, in fact I’ve never used drugs or alcohol in my life. Maybe that’s why I can recognize how ridiculous it is to distrust and criticize the government in regards to domestic issues, and yet buy into their foreign policy (war propaganda) hook, line, and sinker.
Report Post »We are not, and should not be, the worlds policemen. We should always follow the Constitution and the Christian Just War Doctrine implicitly. If we did that we would have far more peace, prosperity, and respect.
JONNYREB
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 4:01pmGary Johnson 2012
Report Post »johnjamison
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 4:10pmTime for a changing of the guard
Report Post »pinostabaum
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 4:22pmhe has my vote. i think republican leadership is deluding themselves if they think pauls followers are just another special interest they can corral. libertarians know what they want from the party, and if they cant get it merely by reform from within, they will also pressure from the outside. thanks to this primary, there are gonna be a lot of state republican party leaders voting third party at the ballot box.
Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 5:32pmstarted campaigning for Johnson yesterday, right after Romney was officially nominated
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 5:39pmyes that is the next part of the plan along with shutting out Romney.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 6:12pm@Soy, Yeah, I’m pretty much sold. You know I’d prefer the Constitutional Party, but I suppose there’s a slim chance Johnson can shake things up. If nothing else get enough of the vote to establish a legitimate 3rd Party. At least he’s not a progressive, a commie and doesn’t eat dog, eh?
Report Post »RepubliCorp
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 6:29pmGary Johnson 2012……… a way to pretend that you are not voting for Obama
Report Post »Let’s face it, Paulbot sare nothing more than thrifty liberals
justangry
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 6:42pm@Republicorp, I don’t really care what someone who thinks killing Muslim children is the right thing to do because they might grow up evil. You are insignificant to anyone that walks on two feet.
Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 7:08pm@just
LOL – “at least he’s not a progressive”….Good one
I prefer the Constitution Party as well but their candidate is not as good as Gary Johnson. I voted Chuck Baldwin last time
Report Post »sallyredneck
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 3:47pmI think it would be great to have Ron Paul running the Tresurary Dept.
Report Post »resme
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 4:03pmThe treasury department only matters if the federal reserve is gone.
Report Post »watashbuddyfriend
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 4:57pm@ sallyredneck
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 3:47pm
“I think it would be great to have Ron Paul running the Tresurary Dept.”
Dang Sally, why have I not thought of it? Good, very good point! Mitt, you need not look beyond….
Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 5:33pmyea, treasury department is irrelevant as long as the FED exists
Report Post »scootervanneuter
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 3:43pmOnly if he’s not as batsh*t crazy as his old man -
Report Post »southernORcobra
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 4:15pmseconded
Report Post »Mr.Truth
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 4:44pmPeople like you are the reason the GOP/RNC is crumbling! Keep all the Progressives,Moderates,Neoconservatives and Liberal Republicans but boot the Libertarians and Constitutionalist… Yea good luck with all that.
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 4:52pmI can’t help but laugh at the irony of people like scooter and the author of the article. They talk about Goldwater conservatives and the lineage to Reagan. Then they look at constitutionalists as “crazy” while abandoning principle to support someone who isn’t a conservative at all. This quote from Goldwater sorta comes back to haunt I think.
“I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.”
Report Post »- US Presidential candiate Barry Goldwater, accepting the nomination at the 1964 USA Republican party convention
justangry
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 6:39pmYeah they swallow the Fox boogieman propaganda like drones, but we’re crazy. I can‘t tell you how many times I’ve asked someone here calling RP’s foreign policy crazy where they get their information on foreign policy from (Fox, Rush, Levin…THE CFR!). I’ve never had one person admit that that is indeed where they derrive their world view. Just crickets. I mean they think Barton’s a historian, and Stacklebeck is the predominant authority on terrorism and Middle Eastern policy. I’ve asked folks to check out Micheal Sheuer and Karen Kwiatkowski, only to have people call them Code Pink liberals or something stupid like that. I mean just for the fun of it let’s compare.
Karen Kwaitkowski
-Lt. Colonel USAF. Inteligence officer serving in Africa as an analyst, the NSA and Pentagon.
-MA in Government from Harvard University
-MS in Science Management from the University of Alaska. She has a
-PhD in World Politics from The Catholic University of America; her thesis was on the overt and covert war in Angola, A Case Study of the Implementation of the Reagan Doctrine
-Annalyst in the Pentagon sitting at her desk when the plane hit.
Eric Stacklebeck
- Sportscaster for a couple of years, then became a terrorism expert for the CBN.
Now which of these two people would a sane person listen to regarding foreign policy? This is the mentality of the folks that are calling us crazy. I know Megyn Kelly is cute, but a Saudi Prince still owns a large share, of
Report Post »Sportster2005
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 3:19pmRand Paul sold his father down the river.
Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 5:34pmRand Paul is a different person and represents people from another state. There is no reason to think his politics should be identical to his father’s. Mitt Romney’s politics are way more liberal than his fathers
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 7:21pmDon’t be so hard on Rand. He and his father are still tight. I get an automated response from Ron Paul each time his son is doing something important for the liberty movement and needs support calling politcians or whatever. They aren’t the same people, but Rand has never betrayed us with his votes. The only thing he‘s done that people don’t like is to play ball with his party by endorsing Romney when he and his father believed they were out of it.
Report Post »riseandshine
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 9:03pm@Just….There‘s one vote of Rand’s I sure don’t agree with. He voted for sanctions on Iran.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 11:07pm@Rise, I don‘t agree with that vote either and didn’t catch it. He’s definitely not his father, but while I don’t like the vote, it‘s not what I’d really call a betrayal to the Constitution, ya know?
Report Post »riseandshine
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 11:13pm@Just….true.
Report Post »Snipers View
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 3:10pmThe American Paradigm…
America you’re addicted to a lie
So hopelessly afflicted that soon you’ll die
Still you keep going back to it time after time
You’re drunk on the American paradigm
So blind and in desperate need of an intervention
Report Post »Your intoxicated mind can only think in one dimension
Brainwashed and controlled it’s far beyond a crime
You’re drunk on the American paradigm
chalkdust
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 3:52pmAlex Jones drivel.
Report Post »Snipers View
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 6:11pmYour belief in the false left-right paradigm is tantamount to the Islamic martyrs and their 72 virgins. At least the Muslims are promised plenty of celestial puntang, your brainwashed belief in the American paradigm only promises that you’ll get boned right here, right now, by the ruling elite.
Report Post »Snipers View
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 6:13pmIn a cesspool of propaganda you’re marinating
Floating with all the left-right fools bloviating
Fixed in your ideology dumbded-down by design
You’re drunk on the American paradigm
You serve the establishment and their banking cartel
The Federal Reserve and their money from hell
So devoid of critical thinking in your one-track mind
You’re drunk on the American paradigm
The ruling elite are your enablers, their new world order is at stake
And the last thing that they need is to have you conscious and awake
So they keep you distracted naive and in line
Keep you drunk on the American paradigm
One day you will hit bottom just as planned
Report Post »Your worthless dollar no longer in demand
Conquered from within, it’s treason defined
You’re drunk on the American paradigm
justangry
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 7:22pmLMAO @celestial puntang!
Report Post »tropicgirl
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 10:46pmChalkdust is living proof. Has no idea where he is.
Report Post »jcizarter
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 3:00pmhttp://www.conservativevideos.com/2012/08/reality-check-fox-news-catches-mitt-romney-in-a-lie/
I would hope that Rand will bring up how the RNC stripped Maine of all their delegates.
Properly elected Ron Paul delegates were stripped by the RNC. And when a motion was made to amend the Credentials Committee Report, it was ignored. All efforts to vote down these onerous rules were ignored despite a clear split in the voice vote. Morton Blackwell, a longtime conservative activist and RNC Rules Committee expert, found himself indefinitely detained – along with the rest of the Virginia delegation. The RNC’s bus driver responsible for transporting delegates somehow “got lost” for well over an hour until a critical Rules Committee meeting adjourned.
Report Post »Blackwell and the Virginia delegation were heading up the efforts to defeat new RNC rules proposed by Washington, D.C.-based insider attorneys.
The-Monk
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 3:10pm@jcizarter
I thought the delegate vote from Maine was Romney 17 and Paul 10?
Correct me if I’m wrong. TIA
Report Post »pinostabaum
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 4:28pmyou are wrong. the original delegate count was 20-2 favoring paul.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maine_Republican_caucuses,_2012
then came the push by romney to start disqualifying delegates. the governors threat to boycott the convention if romneys push succeeded. the compromise. etc.
and this is far from the only state where romney has been pulling these moves.
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 3:00pmNever cared about Ron Paul one way or another, but Rand is someone I believe in. He’s very intelligent, Constitutionally conservative, and makes sense every time he talks.
Report Post »I would stand behind Rand, from what I know about him.
black9897
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 3:57pmThat makes no sense. RP is more Constitutionally sound than his son!
Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 5:36pmsense is in the eye of the beholder. Substitute ‘crazy’ for ‘sense’ and he is right….
Report Post »black9897
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 9:11pmNot when it can be easily proven Ron Paul is more Constitutionally sound than his son.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 2:55pmI’ve heard that Dr. Paul is retiring from the Senate within a year.
Does anyone know if this is true? TIA
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 2:59pmHoR, not the senate. Yes, he is retiring after this term.
Report Post »v15
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 3:03pmWe can only hope that this is true. He should just leave now.
Report Post »The-Monk
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 3:11pm@Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Thanks for the correction. : )
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 2:55pmI‘m not happy with Rand’s endorsement of Romney, but I’d gladly vote for him as president. I don‘t think we’re going to see a leader of the Liberty Movement like Ron Paul was anytime soon. He had so many years of standing up for what was right when EVERYONE was against him. I don’t know many people that have the fortitude to do that. One of the most endearing qualities he had is desire to teach rather than talk down to folks outside the beltway. You get a sense of arrogance from most politicians I didn’t see with him. Like they’re saying, “what do you know about this stuff?”
Rand’s a good Senator, but it’s going to take a while before folks like me will line up behind him like his father. I‘d like to think he’s a chip off the old block, but Washington corrupts and we’ll have to see how lasts.
I think article was right about Justin Amash. His voting record is flawless and I’m hearing a lot of good things about him from the Liberty movement sites. Still it wouldn’t be the same.
Gary Johnson will probably receive my vote this time around, but I don’t feel as comfortable with him as I did RP. I don‘t think he’s a strict constitutionalist like RP was. More a pure libertarian. Don’t get me wrong, that’s a lot better than a republican.
Then you have the folks like Peter Schiff, Tom Woods, Lew Rockwell etc., who are great, but just don’t have that endearing quality RP had.
I guess if I had to pick, I’d say the Judge would be the
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 3:03pmWell said Just. RP was more of a constitutionalist than a libertarian. His spiritual and moral compass (ie being pro-life for example) provided a stark contrast to the left leaning sect of libertarians. I think of myself as mostly libertarian too, but I sense that they too sort of take the philosophical argument down the rabbit hole and end up apart from the constitution. That being said, I do believe that if they felt strongly enough about an issue they’d amend the constitution rather than play the executive order, court appointment game. I’ll give them that.
Report Post »resme
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 4:10pm@just, I’m not too sure about Johnson. I’ve heard alot of statist comments out of his mouth. Let’s not forget Bob Barr the last nominee of the LP.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y1egV2Q2FE&feature=youtu.be&t=59s
Report Post »resme
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 4:26pmhttp://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/119363.html
Report Post »louise
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 4:29pm@ Just and Roth>
I am a Constitutionalist. That is why I have supported Ron Paul since 2007. He was the only person who believed in a government that was limited by the Constitution. If he would have been voted in as President, and when he took his oath of office, you could trust that he would honor his oath. Can you all say the same of the candidates of either party? Has either Obama OR Romney/Ryan upheld our Constitution like a true Statesman should..? Of course not. Look at their records.
I am so sick and tired of voting for the lesser of two evils. What all these shenanigans tells me is that The RNC really does not trust the American people to choose well, so they are going to choose for us.
Report Post »Liberty died this week folks. Reading the posts on all of the articles about the Convention, I have come to the conclusion that most people are perfectly fine with someone else choosing for them.
Any one who says they love Liberty and then turns a blind eye and deaf ear to what happened this week, no longer loves Liberty.
pinostabaum
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 4:32pmdid you see johnsons speech at paulfest? he isnt perfect, but he is a big fan of paul, and i think paul would be very influential in a johnson administration. can you see any other candidate caring what paul has to say?
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 5:00pm@Louise,
I think it has something to do with the fact that most people don’t know what it is like to truly be free. For a century power has been consolidating in the executive branch. I’m too lazy to research it, but it seems I recall Franklin having a belief that people tend to naturally gravitate to monarchies and as such his comment to the woman in Philly about “a republic if you can keep it” originated. People don’t read the constitution anymore. People put their faith in a system or a party rather than themselves. The don’t know what it means to be free. They are serfs. When I read Samuel Adams’ quote I get chills and I am embarrassed for my countrymen (Jefferson quote on God being just comes to mind). I think many read it and dismiss it or more likely hate it because it sheds a light on what they have become.
“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
Report Post »― Samuel Adams
soybomb315_II
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 5:39pmI dont agree with Gary Johnson on everything but his record as governor of NM is AMAZING. He has EXACTLY the kind of executive experience that we are looking for in a president….
-cut programs
-veto budget increases
-bring back independent spirit
look up his record as governor. They called him “governor veto”. A close cousin to Ron Paul’s “Dr. No.”
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 5:43pmthe problem with rand paul is that hes not qualified but Gary Johnson is.
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 5:46pmhis endorsement was a lie to appease and fool ignorant neo cons, its just shows how easy they are to fool and because he endorsed the anti obama, they will support him, not exactly knowing what he really is. this is the problem in America, we need knowledge tests before people can vote so uninformed can’t vote, citizens are suppose to be informed. they don’t even know what rand has really said about Romney and how he bashed him.
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 7:11pm@Resme, Yeah, bud. I have some issues with him as well. Not nearly as many as with the other douchebags though. At least he believes in our Bill of Rights, is fiscally responsible and doesn‘t want to blow up a bunch of people in a 3rd world country that haven’t done anything to us.
That being said, I can’t think of anyone that remotely comes close to Ron Paul. I reckon Johnson will do, and he was a good governor from what I’ve read. Still Ron Paul was a man that if you didn’t hate him, you absolutely adored him. (for the most part) And the only people that hated him were either ignorant based on the bogus information they received about him or just live in fear of everything and don‘t want to go off the government’s teet.
Report Post »louise
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 7:19pmRoth, you posted,
““If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
― Samuel Adams
Beautiful quote. Thanks for posting it
Report Post »riseandshine
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 11:38pm@Louise…..I always appreciate your comments :)
Report Post »louise
Posted on August 30, 2012 at 5:15amRisandshine,
Report Post »Thank you! I pray all is well with you :)
v15
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 2:55pm9/11 would have been worse had Ron Paul been president. I’m glad people called him out regarding his bogus 9/11 remarks.
Report Post »Constitutional_Conservatism
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 3:33pmIt’s called blowback. Educate yourself.
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 3:56pm@C_C,
It is interesting how people really come after RP on this. However, it wasn’t that long ago that Beck essentially did a week on his Fox show about essentially that. We funded Mubarak and Hussein just to name a few. They had torture rooms and rape rooms and were horrible people. The population sees these monsters with Made in the USA labels on them and what?…they’re supposed to love us? So GWB gets up and says they hate us because of our freedom. I think Bin Laden had a tape in there somewhere to address that saying something to the effect of if that were true they would have blown up Sweeden. We are flying drones, dropping bombs, shipping weapons, blah blah blah. You can’t be constantly blowing people up (good or bad) and expect everyone to love you. Glenn did a better job of connecting the dots than I just did.
Report Post »Texas Chris
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 4:44pmRon Paul was talking more about foreign policy in general, not whether, at the second of the 9/11 attacks, he was POTUS.
It does make sense that a nation not entangled in foreign countries populated with radical Jihadi would tend to NOT get attacked. Like, say, Switzerland.
Further, if they DID hate us for our freedoms, wouldn’t it just be a mild irritation by now, with the TSA, NDAA, SOPA/CISPA, National Security Letters, indefinate detention, sneak & peeks, Psych-arrests, etc.? I mean, we’re not exactly the “land of the free, home of the brave” any more…
Report Post »Individualism
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 5:47pmwould have been better because he would have reacted the first time he heard about it.
Report Post »Wildblue3
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 2:54pmI think we will have limited government but we can’t go cold turkey like he would have us.
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 2:53pmRand rocks!!!
Report Post »Sportster2005
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 3:18pmRand Paul endorsed Romney and sold his father down the river for some reason. I will not support Rand Paul anymore, period.
Report Post »v15
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 2:48pmRon Paul, a complete anti-American lunatic, did little to nothing in his 25 years as a career politician. Although his followers worship him like a deity, Ron Paul has only hurt America. It’s comforting to know that his son, Rand, won‘t be following in his father’s footsteps and will help be part of the solution to economic recovery and foreign policy and not part of the problem.
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 2:58pm@V15,
Obviously I disagree with you on that point, but I’d really like to hear what you, Rand, GOP, etc think is the “solution to economic recovery”. Not being a jerk, but I think it’s easy to say things like that but they have no real substance.
Report Post »Mandors
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 2:48pmRand Paul is as dumb as a bag of hammers.
Report Post »Eric_The_Red_State
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 2:46pmRon Paul would have been like that really hard college professor that was a strict teacher and you did not like all the homework – but when the class was over you REALLY appreciated his teaching because you actualy LEARNED something that was useful in the real world.
Unlike the other teachers who just did the same thing obver and over – as the teacher before them – and the one before them – and so on.
I didn’t agree with ALL he stood for – but darnit his head was in the right place and his heart was pure.
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 2:55pmI don’t think anybody agrees with 100% of someone else, don’t you suppose. What‘s unfortunate is that most of the GOP can’t get past issues with Ron Paul to understand that is isn’t about Ron Paul. It’s about liberty and the constitution. For the life of me, I don’t understand why the GOP wants to operate in a governmental construct and debate framed by those who oppose the constitution.
We aren’t 16T in debt because we follow the constitution. We aren’t in a constant state of war because we followed the constitution. We aren’t morally decaying because we followed the constitution.
Just my two cents here, but I look at it like the Bible. You ever notice how when you get prideful and maybe don’t rely on God like you should that God has a way of putting you in your place? You know wages of sin and all that. You get sideways with your Shepherd and he will knock you on the head and bring you back to the flock. I think that relationship is similar to our relationship with the Constitution. The more we part ways from it and build our house on the shifting sands of political “knowldege” the more tribulation we get.
You didn’t ask for all that Red, but thanks for the setup.
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 2:38pm“Similarly, Vice Presidential candidate Paul Ryan’s youthful image may be drawing in younger voters, if recent polls are any guide, and Ryan himself could end up a young person’s Presidential candidate several years down the road, and one that carries appeal for Ron Paul’s fiscally minded supporters.”
LOL, the GOP really doesn’t get it. Constitutionalists aren’t lured by a “youthful image”. And Paul Ryan is not “fiscally minded”. I think the GOP really struggles with the simplicity that it is, was, and always will be about the constitution…that’s it. I think that degree of political simplicity stumps them. They think “well, there has to be more than that…let‘s roll out some glitz and glam and smooth talking and we’ll bring them in the fold.” It isn’t going to work. It’s real easy GOP. Run a constitutional platform. That’s it. No empty promises, not glitz and glam, no smooth talkers and young dynamics, etc. CONSTITUTION.
Rolling out RINO‘s and Progressives and slapping an elephant button on them doesn’t do anything to address the real issues and return us to the constitution. We will continue to run deficits while driving to a financial cliff and we will continue to depart from the constitution. We’ll just do it more slowly with the GOP than the DNC. How is that a platform?
Report Post »Eric_The_Red_State
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 2:47pmI like it – good points
Report Post »justangry
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 2:56pmWell said as always.
Report Post »pudssweetie
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 4:12pmIt is pretty obvious that you know nothing of Paul Ryan. This guy, mathematically, can run circles around other Congressmen. He understands and knows what needs to be done to get this country going back in the right direction Fiscally, but like any other Politician, he can’t do it alone either. Are his plans perfect? No, but neither are anyone else’s and his are far better than the plans the Democrats ever had. It took a long time to get to where we are now and it is going to take a lot longer than 4 years to get things turned back around.
Report Post »Paul Ryan is my Congressman and I live, not only in his district, but also in his hometown so I know who Paul Ryan is.
Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 4:47pm@Pud,
I don’t know Paul Ryan personally. I only know his voting record on civil liberties stinks. I know he voted for government expansion…repeatedly. I also studied his budget and found it wanting.
If you run the Romney/Ryan numbers and ONLY look at budget deficits you’ll see that they balance the budget by 2040. Looking at the details you see the deficits run avg 6% 2012-20, 3% 20-30, and 2% til 40. Assuming a 2.5% GDP growth rate over that time, this means that they will add 18.3Tr in that time. Combine that with the 16T in existing debt and we have a grand total of 34.3Tr. The largest surplus run (%) was 2000…about 2.4%. So, if in 2040 we ran at the largest ever seen rate then we’d have to do that for 42 years to pay off the debt (nominally).
Now we have the issue of unfunded liabilities as well. If you add them all up, if we don’t break promises that we’ve made to people then we have about 200Tr in unfunded liabilities that we’ve promised to Americans but no money to pay them. So, after we pay off the national debt in 2082…and assuming we freeze the unfunded liability issue today and not add one more penny to the problem…we’d have to run the largest surplus in history an additional 319 years.
Romney / Ryan 2012 WoooHooo!!!!
http://www.businessinsider.com/paul-ryan-budget-2012-8?op=1
Report Post »http://www.usdebtclock.org/
MODEL82A1
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 2:35pm“Never let it be said that these Ron Paul supporters choose the easy way, when it conflicts with their principles.” REALLY? How much “easier way” is there to take than to support someone who never EVER had any chance of winning election? I‘d say that’s the most cowardly choice anyone could ever make. That way, you can spout your ignorant nonsense without ever having to walk the walk while in office.
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 2:48pm“spout your ignorant nonsense” = Constitutional Adherence
Talk about not having to walk the line. When you defend the rule of law, liberty, freedom, and not walking away from an oath to the constitution you’re “walking the line”.
Picking out a frontrunner while abandoning all principle in order to be part of a winning team is total cowardice. You don’t serve the republic or freedom or liberty. You serve yourself and your need for silencing voices who call you out on it.
Report Post »soybomb315_II
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 5:45pmdoing the easy thing would be to swim with the flow and join the chorus of anti-obama chants without any thought about the future or alternatives. It’s not easy to be called idiots, lefties, kooks, lazy, anarchist, etc. And it is especially difficult to try to educate ignorant republicans who see the political world simply in terms of republican/democrat
we take the hard road. The truth will set you free – but first it will piss you off
Report Post »riseandshine
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 11:49pmWell said, Soy.
Report Post »LeadNotFollow
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 2:23pm…
Report Post »I really like Rand Paul.
Can’t stand Ron Paul.
progressiveslayer
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 2:34pmI like the father and the son,too bad for us RP was rejected,I guess all his talk of limited government was to much for some people.
Report Post »MODEL82A1
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 2:41pmNo ,PROG, Dr.Paul’s actual talk of dismantling the US Military along with his implied message of Anti-Semitism and support of Jihad was too much for the vast VAST Majority of people. He didn’t lose by a little, he lost by a humiliating, embarrassing LANDSLIDE.
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 2:41pm@Prog,
If he wins I look forward to seeing how he deals with this promise or if he doesn’t how his supporters deal with his welching on it.
“The economy is struggling because the government is too big, and we’re going to bring it down to size.” Mitt Romney, 4/16/2012 Philadelphia, PA
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 2:48pm@ROTH It will indeed be interesting to see if he can reduce the size of government,I hope he can but these government hogs won’t go quietly. Giving up all that power and money? We’ll see.
Report Post »bharris0
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 2:53pmSo you prefer a sellout instead of someone with unwavering principles ?
You sound more like an Obama groupie than a conservative.
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 3:12pmMODEL If Paul were president he couldn‘t and wouldn’t dismantle our military,that will be done by the Marxist POS currently ruling us through sequestration.
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 3:17pmI find it interesting the amount of disinformation about Dr. Paul and the liberty movement. It’s not hard to fact check this stuff. People don’t even try I think. They know what they know and don’t want to be confused by facts.
Report Post »Mutiny
Posted on August 29, 2012 at 4:19pm@model
I am calling you out. Provide proof of “Dr.Paul’s actual talk of dismantling the US Military”.
You sir are a liar. It really doesnt matter anymore since the GOP has decided to go with a progressive globalist but you should really try and do just a bit of research before you look so stupid on the internet.
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