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Woman Dies After Officer’s Gun Is Triggered by…a Hug?

Adaisha Miller Killed After Hug Triggers Officers Gun in Detroit

Adaisha Miller was killed after a hug triggered an off-duty police officer's gun to discharge (Source: WXYZ)

DETROIT (AP) – A woman celebrating the weekend before her 25th birthday was fatally shot Sunday when she hugged an off-duty police officer while dancing at a party, causing the officer’s service weapon to fire, according to police and her mother.

Adaisha Miller would have turned 25 on Monday, according to her mother, Yolanda McNair.

The shooting happened at an outdoor social gathering about 12:30 a.m., said police Sgt. Eren Stephens. It happened on the city’s west side.

According to Stephens, the woman “embraced the officer from behind, causing the holstered weapon to accidently discharge.” The bullet punctured Miller’s lung and hit her heart, and she died at a hospital.

Stephens said the Detroit officer will remain on administrative duties while authorities investigate the shooting and report their findings to the Wayne County prosecutor. The officer’s name was not released.

“For this to happen to her, whether they want to call it freak accident or mistake in judgment, it should have never happened to my child, and there’s nothing I can do to get her back,” McNair told WDIV-TV.

McNair said her daughter was out to mark her upcoming birthday.

“All she wanted to do was enjoy the weekend for her birthday,” the mother said. “She had every right to enjoy turning 25 and look beyond that.”

WXYZ in Detroit has more:

Comments (132)

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  • hydtguy
    Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:37am

    Something stinks,
    If the pistol was in any holster the trigger is protected and would not be able to fire.
    It sounds more like a CYA deal, or a Plaxico..
    To any shooter, a ND at a party is just unsafe gun handling, and I for one think the story will change soon.
    No LEO (sober) would let his duty pistol be touched by anyone, just in the training DNA.

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    • AintLIBSjuzGreat
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:33am

      I have seen an affirmative action LEO @ a bar on long island take his gun out point it at a guy`s head B4 his cop buddy`s grabbed him and they left.I know the cop who scored lower than the guy`s who are still waiting for the job

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    • black9897
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:49am

      Of course. No possible way a gun could go off by giving someone a hug. It’s just not possible.

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    • NateB
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:16am

      Here is how it could happen. Just think should holster instead of IWB.

      http://www.itstactical.com/warcom/firearms/safety-warning-worn-leather-holsters-can-cause-accidental-discharges/comment-page-1/

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    • rickc34
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:20am

      Something smells fishy here, A holstered gun, going off from a hug ? I have a hard time believing this one.

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    • Secret Squirrel
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:30am

      .
      Wanna bet there’s more to this story?
      Guns don’t fire by hugs. guns fire because the trigger is pulled.
      Think about it, the gun is in a holster, presumably pointed at the floor.
      So even if I except that it fired, why wasn’t she shot in the foot or leg?
      Even a horizontal shoulder holster has the trigger covered, and another safety too.

      Nah. Somebody was showing off.

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    • Secret Squirrel
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:33am

      .
      “The shooting happened at an outdoor social gathering about 12:30 a.m., ”
      Is that what they call it in Detroit?
      Here we call it a riot.

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    • chips1
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:38am

      Your a squirrel, but it’s no secret.

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    • midwesthippie
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:50am

      …and the “officers” name is…

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    • NateB
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:56am

      Did you click the link and read the story? At least look at the picture. If the shoulder holster failed like this and she hugged him from behind it would happen.

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    • Jpreaume
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 12:24pm

      @NATEB…He was wearing his holster in his waistband. How did she manage to take a round in her chest? I carry that same S&W M&P 40 with an “In the Waistband” holster…the S&W M&P 40 has a trigger safety. No way did that weapon fire from a “hug”.

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    • NateB
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 12:50pm

      I did not read anywhere that the office was carrying IWB, but I am just saying if the officer was carrying with a shoulder holster and the shoulder holster failed in the same manner as this link shows it could happen.

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    • Matt
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 12:52pm

      ANY gun with the safety on, regardless of whether its in a waist or shoulder holster would not go off.

      Furthermore, what is an off duty cop doing with his gun anyways? You’re off duty, leave the gun at home.

      Beyond that, YOU ARE AT A PARTY!!! Who carries a gun to a party?

      He should be prosecuted for manslaughter and given a prison sentence.

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    • Jpreaume
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 1:04pm

      The story so far…

      http://www.freep.com/article/20120708/NEWS01/120708029/Woman-hugs-off-duty-Detroit-police-officer-151-dies-after-his-gun-goes-off?odyssey=mod|mostview

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    • The Giver
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 1:12pm

      It’s so darn hard to pull the trigger … and we are supposed to believe that his gun was holstered and still went off? I hope her death is investigated by independent sources.

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    • Jpreaume
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 1:14pm

      @Matt…I carry my firearm everywhere I go…that includes when I am mowing the lawn. Everyone laughed at me when I told them that…until a few weeks ago when the retired Detroit police chief was robbed while mowing his lawn. I had the biggest “I told you so” grin when that story hit the news.

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    • shakedowncrews
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 1:23pm

      I don’t agree. Keep in mind that some semi-auto pistols are carried in “condition 1”–loaded, chambered, cocked and ready to fire if the trigger is pulled. They do not have safety engaged, if there is a safety. You say “If the pistol was in any holster the trigger is protected and would not be able to fire” If this were true, then dropping a pistol in condition 1 would NEVER result in an accidental firing. But guns fire when the firing pin is released. The trigger is usually what releases the pin. But accidental discharges DO HAPPEN when the gun is bumped, especially if the firing mechanism is defective or dirty and so the release is dangerously easy. If she had jumped on his back to hug him and bumped the gun, an accidental discharge is quite possible. Some shoulder holsters hold the firearm with the grip forward and the barrel pointed back. So if she had hit the gun in tha tposition it could easily have fired directly into her chest. And then there is the possibility the holster was old and worn out, offering even less protection of the trigger.
      So no, I disagree that this could have happened as described.

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    • Rocky_Top
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 1:26pm

      Detroit Free Press: ( The weapon, a department-issued, 40-caliber Smith & Wesson semiautomatic pistol, was in a holster worn inside the officer’s waistband and was covered by his shirt, McNair said she also was told her daughter “was being a little flirty” with the officer and the gun fired as they were in a face-to-face hug.)

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    • NateB
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 1:29pm

      Thanks for the link. It is a sad story.

      Was the officer was carrying a pistol with a round in the chamber hammer cocked and the safety off? Or is it a striker fired weapon with a safety on the trigger?
      Just because it is in the holster don’t assume it is safe. Check and make sure it is in right.

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    • Jpreaume
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 1:36pm

      @NateB…that is a striker fired “trigger safety” weapon. I carry mine with one in the pipe, IWB, and 3 extra magazines at all times. I leave the extra magazines in the house while mowing the lawn though. :)

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    • Rocky_Top
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 1:39pm

      Michigan Live: (”I don’t want to speculate on a lot of things” but when holstered, “typically the barrel direction is down” and the weapon was “concealed,” Godbee said.

      The weapons have a safety built into the trigger and “the trigger had to be engaged in some manner for the weapon to fire” 99.9 percent of the time, Godbee said, adding that the weapon was in a non-department-issued waist holster that had a soft neoprene trigger guard.)

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    • Rocky_Top
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 2:18pm

      After reading over 20 reports and watching the police statement from Fox News Detroit. You can see the spin that is being paced on this story. Many are editing the story to say that 99.9% of the time guns don’t just go off. When the officer said that 99.9% of the time guns don’t go off without pulling the trigger. and went on to say that the holster was made of a soft material. ( The spin is that guns sometime just go off. In reality the trigger has to be pulled or with a cheap or old gun you would have to drop or hit it hard ) Some are saying that the holster was police issue when the statement clearly said that the department does not have or issue that type of holster. ( the spin, even cops with dept. issue are not safe) http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/18977832/2012/07/09/woman-killed-after-off-duty-detroit-officers-gun-goes-off

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    • Wolf
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 2:29pm

      For sure: something‘s rotten in someone’s story. Even a Glock won’t go off unless the trigger is pulled. And a revolver would have even more problems going off without the trigger being pulled. Unless she thought his zipper was that high…

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    • betterthantv
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 6:54pm

      @MATT Your argument is absurd. Off duty cops are REQUIRED to carry their firearm in the state of Michigan. And secondly, you did see that this was in DETROIT?

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    • bigdaddyt46
      Posted on July 10, 2012 at 8:38am

      @matt

      by law a peace officer(cop) MUST CARRY his weapon at all times, even when off duty.

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  • chingachgook
    Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:36am

    this story is not correct a gun is in a holster to prevent exactly that. The gun will not fire unless the trigger is pulled. It is not magic. There is more to this than what I read here.

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    • kindling
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:07am

      I agree. I bet someone was showing off the fact they had a gun and it was fired. I am so sorry that young lady is gone. May she rest in peace.

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  • ati058
    Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:28am

    Occam’s Razor… the trigger was pulled by someone with access to the gun, resulting in the death of the victim.

    The urban myth that Glock pistols do not have any safeties, and are therefore prone to accidental discharge, is repeatedly promulgated by those who are ignorant of facts and by anti-Second Amendment “pundits” with Progressive and Statist agendas.

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    • hydtguy
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:38am

      Ditto

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    • uisignorant
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:01am

      The Glock does not have a Safety in the conventional sense. It has the Safe Action trigger. If you snag the trigger and depress the safe action, the gun fires.

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    • The0bserver
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 12:40pm

      I own a Glock and it does not have a true safety lock. If you had one, you would know. The Glock’s “safety” was apparently designed to inhibit a accidental discharge if it drops to the floor, but the “safety” would not stop the trigger from being pulled, because the “safety” is built into the trigger. Pull the trigger, “safety” released, gun will fire. Once I realized that, I stopped walking around with it. I thought it would be too easy to accidentally pull the trigger when retrieving the gun from a holster. Good only for target shooting at the range, in my opinion.

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    • Del_Ray
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 1:58pm

      Observer you’re not seriously concerned about pulling your trigger as you draw are you?

      Finger stays AWAY from the trigger till the gun is pointed at a threat. THAT’S what I teach every student. Maybe you never learned that. Your finger should be away from the trigger till the barrel transitions to the threat, THEN your finger goes to the trigger. It takes thousands of rounds of shooting to get it set. But once there you should never worry about a “safety-less gun” like the Glock.

      I worry about all the idiots WITH safeties that think they work 100 percent of the time. What do they do when asked?

      “Don’t worry the safety is on.” Then they pull the trigger to prove it. I’ve have TWO bangs go off in the shop because of that. One VERY close to my melon. Guns without manual safeties are NOT a problem. Poor training is.

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  • LOTO
    Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:19am

    I suppose there is a hug ban coming down.

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  • Mr.Fitnah
    Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:06am

    Something about this sounds a little fishy.

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  • noproblems
    Posted on July 9, 2012 at 8:40am

    Again i wll ask why the blazes the Blaze publishes depressing stories like this. for what purposse? the are thousandds of tragedies that will occur today. unless we can do something about why publish.

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    • Missouri Mule
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 8:51am

      They publish stories like this to get suckers like you and me to read them. Glenn, I love you man, but do some investigative journalism! Big Bad guns don’t just go off and you are playing into the hands of those phony “journal-illusionists” you say you oppose!
      P.S. the firearm was probably a “safe-action” Glock in a shoulder holster and she negligently shot her self because she had no firearms training – well it was Detroit. Sad day. Firearms handling should be taught in school, ya the public ones……

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    • GIVE.ME.LIBERTY.OR.I.WILL.GIVE.YOU.DEATH
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:28am

      @ NOPROBLEM,

      The story is from the AP, Associated Press, not from The Blaze, as it is stated at the beginning of the story.. The Blaze is a news aggregation website like Drudge Report where they mostly link from news sources The Blaze and Drudge Report are very good at what they do…This is a tragic story, but it really occurred. I thought that many police guns had extra safety features.

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    • The0bserver
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 12:43pm

      Because it is news, as defined by the principle, man bites dog is news, something rare and life threatening is news. Who would think that getting a hug from the back would discharge a gun? A pretty rare thing.

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    • facilitiesmgr
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 6:02pm

      The reason stories like this are published is because the best person‘s experience to learn from is someone else’s, not your own. The worst thing that can happen is for tragic things like this to happen and not learn anything from them.

      Maybe someone will reasess their way of operation with a gun and someone else’s life will be spared.

      It is also disappointing that so many people come to hard conclusions and make definitive statements of what took place without having the facts in the case. All that does is enflame the emotions.

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  • DTR
    Posted on July 9, 2012 at 8:38am

    This makes no sense. There is no such thing as an “accidental discharge.“ There is only ”negligent discharges.” There is a lot missing from this story. I’d say a good 90% of automatics have built in firing pin blocks that prevents the firing pin from striking the primer of the round unless the trigger is actually squeezed. If it was a Single Action/Double Action revolver, most people would carry it in DA (hammer forward, but squeezing the trigger pulls the hammer back and releases it). Sense the weapon has to do the work for you, the trigger pull is at least 50% stronger than if it was in SA (hammer’s locked back, squeezing the trigger releases the hammer). There is just no way this went down the way it did. Either way, that off duty cop should be held responsible for his negligence.

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    • nattybrooks
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 8:53am

      i agree weapon must have been holstered only answer i can come up with is a shoulder holsered single action with a custom trigger at less than 2#

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    • thop1960
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 8:57am

      Really? Here’s a bit of advice. There are no absolutes, except for dying. Accidents do happen. Just because your mind can’t fathom it, doesn‘t mean it can’t happen. Granted, there are details missing from the article. That still doesn‘t mean it wasn’t an accident.

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  • Gunnett
    Posted on July 9, 2012 at 8:37am

    I am calling BS on this one. The only way this could happen is that the officer had some twenty dollar holster on, that she inserted her finger into the trigger and pull the trigger. Unless the officer has a shirt with a bullet hole in it and burns to his side from the muzzle flash then something ain’t right. If the gun was worn on his right and she was behind him, then she would have been hit on the right side also.

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  • jcldwl
    Posted on July 9, 2012 at 8:29am

    Holstered weapons don’t just discharge from a hug. It takes a finger pulling the trigger for them to discharge. Something is a miss here.

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  • OldVietVet
    Posted on July 9, 2012 at 8:22am

    Use “Occham’s razor”, (sp.), and decide for yourself if this is believable!– I don’t buy this story!

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  • Msgt Ret
    Posted on July 9, 2012 at 8:16am

    I’ve worn many many shoulder rigs and something is just not as described here. There was more than a HUG going on!

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    • EqualJustice
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:54am

      I think it’s stange that they mention a “SECOND OFFICER INVOLVED” on administrative leave???

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  • jndough
    Posted on July 9, 2012 at 7:51am

    I remember a story that was in the news not too long ago. A man was in his car and either fastening or unfastening his seatbelt and his holsterd gun discharged. His leather holster was very worn and the trigger guard had become flimsy and worked its way inside the trigger. The seatbelt pulling on the holster discharged the firearm. Maybe it was something like this? Leather shoulder holster and a Glock?

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  • Uechi
    Posted on July 9, 2012 at 7:49am

    Anything is possible but the whole story is highly unlikely as described. As someone who carries a firearm all the time I can’t conceive of a way any firearm goes off from a hug. The only possiblity I can think of is if the handgun was unholsterd i.e. what is called “Mexican Cattt:.

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  • jackbauer
    Posted on July 9, 2012 at 7:41am

    I call BS. There’s way more to this story. Holstered guns don’t just go off. Guns fire when safeties are off and the trigger is pulled. The trigger would have been protected by the holster.

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    • uisignorant
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 8:22am

      Glock’s do not have a safety.

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    • Baja
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 9:55am

      URIGNORANUS,
      You don’t have clue one regarding Glock pistols. Glocks have three built in safeties plus the one between the ears.

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    • uisignorant
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:57am

      Funny BAJA…. I have 3. There is no SAFETY. There is the trigger Safe-Action, but ther is not safety in the 1911 format.
      Would you like to play again?

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    • NateB
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 11:19am

      http://www.itstactical.com/warcom/firearms/safety-warning-worn-leather-holsters-can-cause-accidental-discharges/comment-page-1/

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    • Baja
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 2:29pm

      @URIGNORANUS
      You are the uninformed nimrod that stated Glocks don’t have a safety. Obviously you know little about firearms and should considering selling (legally) your weapons to a responsible party. Only you can spin stupidity. Anyone knowledgeable about firearms can see you for fool you are. Nice try.

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    • uisignorant
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 7:05pm

      BAJA,
      Anyone that knows anything about Glocks knows you are not just a fool, but a damn fool.

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    • Baja
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:20pm

      URIGNORANUS

      Unfortunately for you there are gun savey commenters here. You’ve clearly demonstrated your prowes as an ignorant loud mouth fool. I suggest the next time you go popping off, you use facts.
      Too much time in mommies sweltering basement wiping the sweat off of your Mr. Magooo glasses? Check that basement for radon son. Try increasing the air flow down there too. Does she know you play with guns?

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  • Griffin06
    Posted on July 9, 2012 at 7:38am

    There’s a lot more to this. Most LEOs carry semis with one in the pipe. What I can surmise from this, it was probably a cheap horizontal carry shoulder holster that didn’t cover the trigger guard. Don‘t know if we’ll see more details or if this will be swept under the rug. I can bet the gun control Nazis will be all over it, though. I generally carry in a “red” status myself, but use a high ride hip holster or a vertical carry shoulder rig that covers the trigger guard to prevent incidents like this.

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    • yougottabekidding
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 7:55am

      Thats why I prefer a blackhawk cqc for a glock
      There is no way you can get to the trigger till it is out and the release puts your finger in a safe position

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  • watashbuddyfriend
    Posted on July 9, 2012 at 7:36am

    Huh? Something not right in denmark! It just don’t happen that way?

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  • Inlandmar2
    Posted on July 9, 2012 at 7:35am

    I smell a rat! Something is not quite right here.

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  • The Knave
    Posted on July 9, 2012 at 7:34am

    No way, no how did this happen as written. A sidearm just doesn’t discharge unless the trigger is pulled….and if the weapon was holstered as stated then the woman would have had to make an attempt to unholster the weapon to even get to a point where the trigger could then be pulled.

    Contrary to what most people think, modern handguns are engineered to be unable to “just go off”. Gun companies learned very quickly that being held liable in accidental handgun discharges could be financially crippling, ergo they designed handguns with passive safetys…..meaning unless a person physically pulled the trigger the weapon would not fire.

    My gut tells me this chick was fooling around with the officer, hugging and teasing and felt the weapon (likely a Glock 26), and said “oohh, let me see it”…started pulling the weapon from the holster and the officer realizing what she was doing turned or attempted to stop her in some fashion and during the incident she pulled the trigger and whacked herself. While the incident was most likely accidental, the officer is a dumb a*s for going to a club while armed. You telling me he wasn’t drinking?

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    • olliehop
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 10:46am

      You are probably close. I would guess She didn’t just give him a quick hug from behind. She probably felt the gun in the holster, may not have even known what it was, started to grab for it, he turned and she got her finger on the trigger. THe gun won’t fire unless something depresses the trigger.

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  • Rodhaines
    Posted on July 9, 2012 at 7:25am

    A tale from the‘ 60’s about racism:

    Southern sheriff investigates the death of a black man. He’s hanging from a tree, shot in the head several times and stabbed in the back numerous times. TV reporters ask the sheriff to speculate on the cause of death. The sheriff says; “Worse case of suicide I’ve ever seen….”

    I thought of this IMMEDIATELY when I first heard the story on WJR-Detroit this morning. Lift that rug and sweep it all under….

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  • SFsuper49er
    Posted on July 9, 2012 at 7:20am

    If the gun was holstered and the hammer wasn‘t pulled back i can’t see how the firing pin could have been engaged without the trigger being pulled. Most holsters even have a trigger guard that covers the trigger. That firing pin has to be smacked by the trigger for it to go off because it has to hit the bullet primer… Somethings not right here… I’d like to know what kind of firearm that was and how it was holstered .

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  • Marsh626
    Posted on July 9, 2012 at 7:03am

    And this is why I ignore the “tactical” gurus who advice carrying cocked and locked. I’ll only carry a semi-auto (not a revolver) with the chamber empty and the safety off (if it has one). That’s the best comprimise between safety and quick access.

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    • Fubared
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 7:17am

      To each, his own. Sounds like a dumb ass shoulder rig he saw on an old Miami Mice rerun and when properly blinged out, impresses the easily impressionable. Somebody’s family will get a lotto sized pay off out of Detroit.

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    • MachIV
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 7:18am

      There really isn’t enough details in this story to tell exactly what happened; however, I bet that the weapon the officer was carrying was some kind of double action only(like a Glock 22). The only real safety those things have is on the trigger itself. They are extroidnarily reliable service weapons, but in my opinion safety is lacking. You can “**** and lock” really only with an arm that is both single and double action or has an external hammer, like an HK for example. There is no “locking” to a Glock, in my opinion.

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    • Carolina Infidel
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 7:23am

      You’d be better off ignoring this story than the “tactical gurus”.
      Noone carries a revolver cocked. With a revolver there is always one in the chamber but the amount of force required to activate the double action trigger acts as a safety in itself. If this was a revolver or weapon with a double action trigger, no way it “went off”.

      If it is a cop carrying a semi auto then he had one in the chamberbut most modern handguns have dual safeties to prevent accidental trigger pull. The only way most will fire is if you have your hand squeezing the grip and finger on the trigger.

      If you are going to carry unchambered you had better practice that way at the range.

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    • 9111315
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 7:26am

      That is the way a 1911 is designed. Locked and Cocked. Then you have about 3 safeties, including a grip safety. A proper holster then provides an additional physical barrier between the hammer and firing pin.

      It is a system that has worked for 101 years. I don’t know what the fool was running with – but it was not a 1911 locked and cocked. Maybe a Glock, which has no lock.

      If you feel better running in a green status – more power to you. I respect your liberty.

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    • sam1064
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 7:48am

      i intend to fulfill Mark Twain’s warning about its better to keep you mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt by the following comment.

      So what if you need that weapon quickly to save your life or someone elses? do you ask the perpetrator whom is endangering your life to wait while you chamber a round? I will defer to the experts on how hard its it to take a semi that has a round in the chamber off safety and fire it. From what I read from some “experts” a good gun person can chamber a round and keep the safety on or if one is in “stealth” mode (hunting for bad guys for example like in war) the weapon is “hot” (safety off, round in chamber and hammer back). I would think a person who has a gun for safety should at least have a round in the chamber even if the hammer is at rest and the safety on. my .000002.

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  • edwinmcarter
    Posted on July 9, 2012 at 7:00am

    holstered guns don`t discharge

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    • Dirty Harry
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 7:17am

      Wrong. Many holsters do not cover the trigger.

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    • Blazebanned
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 7:41am

      Just “hugging” someone would not set a gun off,unless things happened perfectly.There is something wormg with this story, and it is correct in saying, not enough info.For example, where was the gun carried,in a shoulder holster?No, somethings wrong here,especially since it happened in detriot, and she’s black………..

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    • Blazebanned
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 7:42am

      @dirtyharry aka encinom.
      Sorry son, its you who are wrong, as usual……idiot.

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  • Carolina Infidel
    Posted on July 9, 2012 at 6:57am

    I first ask myself, “How stupid do they think people are?”And then I remember.

    No way this went down this way. No gun that any self respecting officer would wear would discharge from a “hug”. There will be more to this story.

    I can’t think of a cheap gun that would misfire from an activity such as a hug.

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    • loriann12
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 7:05am

      She “hugged” him from behind? Who ever hugs an officer (off duty or not) from behind? I know police officers that don’t sit with their backs to a door, even off duty. I’d say he thought he was being attacked, especially being in Detroit. I NEVER snuck up on or even touched an officer off duty. and I’ve known plenty. My husband said this is a Darwin thing, weed out the stupid.

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    • AxelPhantom
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 7:23am

      Cheap soft holster made in China + Glock semi automatic.

      The only saftey is in the double trigger.

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    • Carolina Infidel
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 7:39am

      Double action trigger is extremely safe UNLESS YOU PUT YOUR FINGER IN THE TRIGGER GUARD AND PULL.

      I typically don‘t slide my fingers around people’s guns and triggers when I hug them. Now, maybe she was trying to be funny and play with his gun or trying to grab it as if she was going to take his weapon.

      Cheap China holsters still prevent a finger from going in the trigger guard. I have owned 3 weapons with double action triggers. Taurus PT-111, SWV9E, Keltec PF9 and I have fired many Glocks. You don’t make them go off without some effort. I got rid of them because i find that accuracy is an issue with the hard trigger pull.

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    • AxelPhantom
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 8:11am

      Two stories about accidental discharges, both with Glocks, both with people who did not take proper safety precautions with their guns; Both people I know.

      The first is the owner of a range we go to. He was shot in the stomach after a glock in a soft holster was placed on the counter by a customer. He asked “Is that thing loaded?” the guy said “nope” and then went to quickly pull the gun from the holster to check the chamber and it went off after catching on the edge of the hoster.

      The second, a cop who stored his holstered glock (again soft holster, not his service weapon) on the top shelf of his closet and later not thinking about it, slid it around putting something else up there. It fired while still in the holster and went through two walls before embedding in a stud in a third wall.

      I own a glock, and I love the performance of it. But I also treat it as if a round is always chambered. They are safe IF you don’t ever forget that it is a deadly weapon, loaded and ready to go.

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  • libchem
    Posted on July 9, 2012 at 6:56am

    As a Weapons Sgt. of the U.S. Army JFK Ctr., I smell a little B.S. here.

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    • Noonien_Soong
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 7:15am

      I would concur. It seems the weapon was shoulder holstered pointing in an upward position. The officer who was hugged used bad judgement by participating even if he was not facing the the young woman.

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  • Countrygirl1362
    Posted on July 9, 2012 at 6:49am

    How horrible. Prayers for the family and officer.

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    • nzkiwi
      Posted on July 9, 2012 at 7:21am

      I agree, Countrygirl.

      Sometimes these things just happen. It must be so devastating for the family, though. And the policeman also, no doubt.

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