World War I ‘Officially’ Ends Sunday
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Meredith Jessup
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More than nine decades after the last guns fell silent, the First World War will officially be over Sunday when Germany is scheduled to make its final scheduled payment of reparations to the Allies, as outlined in the Treaty of Versailles in 1919.
“On Sunday the last bill is due and the First World War finally, financially at least, terminates for Germany,” said Bild, the country’s biggest selling newspaper.
Most of the money goes to private individuals, pension funds and corporations holding debenture bonds as agreed under the Treaty of Versailles, where Germany was made to sign the ‘war guilt’ clause, accepting blame for the war.
France, which had been ravaged by the war, pushed hardest for the steepest possible fiscal punishment for Germany.
After being handed a $35 billion debt of reparations following the war, Germany’s final payment Sunday will be about $94 million. During his tenure as fuhrer, Adolf Hitler famously reneged on the Versailles agreement and used the outstanding debt as political fodder to gain support for his National Socialists (Nazi) Party.
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icesk8rgirl96
Posted on September 29, 2010 at 1:25amI’m sorry, in my last comment I made a mistake a big one I put “it only cost us 94 billion” , I meant to say “it only cost us 94 million”. On Sunday, this will be considered one of the longest wars in history and horray for Germany for FINALLY paying the debt off. If it weren’t for Woodrow Wilson, the first World War would have never happened. Now whoever said “Wilson is the father of the 2nd world war” i dont think your right, on the other hand, I do believe he’s the father of the 1st world war.
Report Post »And the Treaty of Versailles has got to be the first one in history because it lead to Hitler…
And I wonder how long it will take before this war is payed off, maybe my kids will be payed by then, now I dont have the exact #, but i know it’s one of the most expensive if not the most expensive one in history..
icesk8rgirl96
Posted on September 29, 2010 at 1:16amIf it weren’t for Woodrow Wilson, WW1 never would have happened. I don‘t think his family should have had to pay off the 94 billion but I don’t care who they are. And it’s about time this has gotten payed off, it’s only been..um I don’t know..96 YEARS!!!
Report Post »Joseph_Plumb_Martin
Posted on September 29, 2010 at 4:33amSo Wilson shot the Archduke? I never knew that
Report Post »paleoconservatarian
Posted on September 29, 2010 at 12:31amGermany was not to blame for WWI, at least no more so than Serbia, Russia and Austria-Hungary and certainly no more blameless than Brittan, which was looking to gin up a continental war as a means to salvage it’s waning empire. Because they couldn’t bear the responsibility of having asked for the deaths of nearly an entire generation, they obtained at Versailles what the world now knows as a shallow and transparent victors justice.
It’s flabbergasting to learn that that joke of a peace treaty still had force of effect. The debt was an injustice and the effects of it’s implementation had long since been demonstrated to have caused not only Germany but the world mighty harm. The destitution it caused aided the spread of communism when that pernicious philosophy was in it’s infancy and gave rise to the likes of Hitler. One would have thought that since with universal recognition of the failures of that peace accord, it would have been revisited in the fullness of time.
Nevertheless, the Shylocks have had their pound of flesh, and the world is considerably less well off for it.
Report Post »MichiganSilverback
Posted on September 29, 2010 at 7:10pm“Shylocks”? Don’t you mean the JOOOOOOOZ?
A shame that there are some six million (plus descendants) no longer living to see this day. I wonder how that happened?
/spit
Report Post »paleoconservatarian
Posted on September 30, 2010 at 12:09amMichiganSilverback – I mean to take a famous Shakespearean literary conventionalism and use it to draw an analogy to the unreasonable actors that designed the Versailles peace treaty. One can do this and not intone that Jews are inherently evil. But I shouldn’t have to explain this. The relationship you’re attempting to build between the holocaust and the war guilt issue of WWI is to put the cart before the horse.
Report Post »ju87stuka
Posted on September 29, 2010 at 12:17amRefusing to pay those criminal reparations after Germany was stabbed in the back was the one and only thing that Hitler actually did do right.
Report Post »Joseph_Plumb_Martin
Posted on September 29, 2010 at 4:17amGood to know Oberst Rudel has checked in with us
Report Post »LAR15
Posted on September 29, 2010 at 12:06amSure, some government worker – in Europe – is going to be at work on Sunday to process a payment.
Ha.
Report Post »nukegm
Posted on September 28, 2010 at 11:55pmwow! white people repay their debts, and nations of color and poverty are always forgiven. hmmmmm.
Report Post »AMERICA4EVER
Posted on September 28, 2010 at 11:55pmI think it’s safe to say that all war debts will never be paid off, because there will always be another one.
Report Post »oldjackpinesavage
Posted on September 28, 2010 at 11:29pmIt is my understanding we finally paid off the War of 1812 in 1944.
Report Post »that leaves
The Mexican-American War
The Civil War
The Indian Wars
The Spanish-American War
The Phillipine insurrection
The First World War (our part of it)
The Various police actions and incursions in Central America and the Caribbean during the 1920s and 30s
World War II
The Korean War
The Vietnam War
The PanamaPolice Action
The Grenada Incursion
The Balkans Police Action
The First Gulf War
The War on Terrorism (Afganistan Phase I)
The War on Terrorism (Iraq/Second Gulf War)
If we have no more wars maybe we’ll get these paid off by the Year 4952 …June!
beekeeper
Posted on September 29, 2010 at 1:19amThe Spanish-American war was paid for a long time ago by a tax on may things, including additional residential telephone lines.
From USAToday:
“The tax was imposed in 1898 to help pay for the Spanish-American War. It was designed as a tax on wealthy Americans, back when phone service was considered a luxury.”
This tax pre-dated Income Tax!
“Elimination of the tax will cost Treasury about $46 billion in refunds, lost revenue and administrative expenses in the next five years. That should be offset by higher tax revenue from a strong economy, Snow said.”
Tee-hee, the stronger economy after 2006 didn’t really pan out for the long haul…
I wonder if the Obama Administration will try and bring the tax back?
“Treasury said it was conceding its battle to uphold the tax after five appeals courts declared it illegal because of changes in the way long-distance calls are billed.”
FIVE APPEALS!? There’s not taking no for an answer, then there’s going through 5 appeals until you get it…
Report Post »oldjackpinesavage
Posted on September 28, 2010 at 10:57pmIt is my understanding we finally paid off the war of 1812 in 1945 Hmmm
Report Post »That leaves
The Mexican-American war
The Civil War
The Indian wars
The Spanish-American War
The Phillipine Insurrection
The First World War
The Several Central-American and Caibbean incursions (1920s)
The Second World War
The Korean War
The Vietnam War
The Panama Police action
The Grenada incursion
The Balkans police action
The First Gulf War
The War on Terror (Afganistan)
The War on Terror (Iraq) Second Gulf war
If we have no more wars maybe we can get them paid off about 4952 (June).
The War
Elura cookoo girl
Posted on September 28, 2010 at 10:24pmthat sucks they got all the blame for ww1. Blame it on the assasins who started the whole thing, but a country for generations?! Ridiculous, If they weren’t in so much debt after ww1 i bet hitler would have never rose from that time period, and a holocaust could have been avoided. Why didn’t their debt ever get terminated a couple decades ago long after the war?
Report Post »colson
Posted on September 29, 2010 at 12:19amThe whole affair was wretched. Nearly all of the heads of state in Europe were related to some degree. Most of the war was being fought simply to fight a war because it seemed like the thing to do – and to gain some pride points for a few rulers with scores to settle. The assassination of Arch-Duke Ferdinand was only a part of the cause. It was part of a fuse that had been burning for a long time.
If you read the history books, you’ll find that nearly every country had its own hand in the till trying to rip one another off with the exception of England who essentially wanted nothing to do with a war on the mainland at almost all costs. While there is the Austro-Hungary/Serbia angle, quite important indeed, the crux of Germany’s part was directed almost solely towards France. France only had murderous eyes for the Germans. So they ended up playing a game of chicken with Belgium in the middle. My fuzzy recollection was that France rattled the saber at the Germans about backing up the Belgians if Germany violated Belgian territory. Of course, France knew that part of the German offensive was going to come through Belgium. The huge mistake of the French was to underestimate the size of the German army coming on the flank through Belgium. By the time France recognized the size of the German offensive on the flank, Belgium was sacked and the light French forces on the flank were already falling back in retreat. The Germans had planned, and almost succeeded in winning the war in several weeks. Had the Germans not made a few stupid mistakes (and the British finally deciding to join the French after twiddling thumbs on the sidelines), modern France would not exist as we know it. Instead, the French were finally able to dig in and reposition troops, the British were lending a hand and they were able to stop the German advance. The rest of the story is mired in a few years worth of blood, mud and human depravity.
So you can assume that a portion of the debt Germany shouldered was not only to repair the damage they caused, but to help sew up some national pride for many of the armies involved (namely France).
Further: some people look at the Third Reich as somehow being the original depraved, brutal, German army. But much of what we consider the horror of the Nazis was born in the trenches of WWI. The Germans prided themselves on their war prowess. They thought nothing of razing villages and executing non-combatant men, women and children, simply because they believed the slightest sign of opposition from the civilian population posed a significant threat to their armies (or so they claimed). The Germans felt they were superior and the slightest affront to their pride gave them the lattitude, during war, to kill otherwise innocent people. The concept using brutality to put down any potential threat in their wake was nothing more than standard operating procedure for their armies. The simple act of creating fear amongst the populace was a strategy allowing them to push further into enemy territory without having to fear anything coming at their backs. The German mentality of superiority was already, in part, in place prior to the rise of the Nazis.
In a way, Germany viewed war as a means to an end without limits. Torture? Executions? Rules? It was a take-no-prisoner mentality. Quick, brutal, and precise execution of their strategies was the essential method to achieve success. Given that they ultimately lost the war, I believe Hitler still would have had ample room to rise to power. The war debt was only one aspect – German pride and resentment are two others that can not be easily overlooked.
BrunMan
Posted on September 29, 2010 at 2:04amGood observations Colson. Like anything else of the magnitude of a war, there is rarely only one cause – usually many. Let’s not also forget the pride of the Germans (I should know, I’m half German). Also, generation upon generation of wars, and for so many different reasons, I’m sure many of them forget why they continue to fight – it’s just what they know. Why is America hated by many Muslim extremists? I believe it’s partially due to the same thing – that’s all they know. They‘ve been raised to fight ’infidels’ and anyone else not of the same beliefs.
But this war thing isn’t new by any means…
Report Post »paleoconservatarian
Posted on September 29, 2010 at 2:30amColson, it’s sad to see someone in this day and age still beating the dead old horse of nativist rationalities that served to prop up the horror show that was the Versailles treaty. This just goes to show to what rhetorical lengths one must have gone to at the time to justify the unjustifiable; not only the peace, but the war itself. Your post is typically Pro-English tripe in that it attempts to lay blame for the roots of the war not only at the foot of Germany, in ignorance of the eastern war of which the western front was but an extension and somehow through the vagaries of battlefield tactics of a war that had already broken out, but at the nature of the perceived enemy themselves.
It’s a depressing aspect of this sentimentality that so often goes the extra mile as to depict the German people themselves as inhuman, war-loving, butchers. Race baiting as a tool of distraction was such fun back in the day; it seems it still is for some. An analysis such as yours would have done the Admiralty or British tabloids of a hundred years ago proud, but has absolutely no value today beyond the provincial indulgences of tea-sipping Anglophilic simpletons.
The entire thrust of your post lightly addresses but doesn’t actually concern itself with what happened to spark the war, what geo-political desires, pressures and fears lurked beneath the surface, nor to how mis-communication or posturing led to it’s escalation. No, the only real concern is how England became involved, and to what bogey man the English commoner of a hundred years ago should look upon as being responsible in lieu of their own leadership.
In truth, for more than a decade prior to the war, the actions and reactions of Brittan and the alliance systems it had a strong hand in forming contributed far more than any undertaking of Germany to widen the scope of any continental conflict to the level of a World War. Any history book you might have read that gave the opposite impression is propagandistic garbage meant to absolve the English rulers of the time of the war guilt with which they should so rightly be burdened.
“With the exception of England” my foot.
Report Post »paleoconservatarian
Posted on September 29, 2010 at 2:48amIt’s sad to see someone in this day and age still beating the dead old horse of nativist rationalities that served to prop up the horror show that was the Versailles treaty. This just goes to show to what rhetorical lengths one must have gone to to justify the unjustifiable; both the peace and the war itself. Your post is typically Pro-English tripe in that it attempts to lay blame for the roots of the war not only at the foot of Germany, in ignorance of the eastern war of which the western front was but an extension and somehow through the vagaries of battlefield tactics of a war that had already broken out, but at the nature of the perceived enemy themselves.
It’s a depressing aspect of this sentimentality that so often goes the extra mile as to depict the German people themselves as inhuman, war-loving, butchers. Race baiting as a tool of distraction was such fun back in the day; it seems it still is for some. An analysis such as yours would have done the Admiralty or British tabloids of a hundred years ago proud, but has absolutely no value today beyond the provincial indulgences of tea-sipping Anglophilic simpletons.
The entire thrust of your post lightly addresses but doesn’t actually concern itself with what happened to spark the war, what geo-political desires, pressures and fears lurked beneath the surface of the participants, nor to how mis-communication or posturing led to it’s escalation. No, the only real concern is how England got involved, and to what bogey man the English commoner of a hundred years ago should look upon as being responsible in lieu of their own leadership.
In truth, for more than a decade prior to the war, the actions and reactions of Brittan and the alliance systems it had a strong hand in forming contributed far more than any undertaking of Germany to widen the scope of any continental conflict to the level of a World War. Any history book you might have read that gave the opposite impression is propagandistic garbage meant to absolve the English rulers of the time of the war guilt with which they should so rightly be burdened.
“With the exception of England” my foot.
Report Post »flagbearer
Posted on September 28, 2010 at 9:52pmI have a g-g uncle buried in France. I’m praying America will not go commie and that his death to keep us free was not in vain. God bless our troops and their families who sacrifice every day for us. We have to do our part while they do theirs and not let them down.
Report Post »sullinsea
Posted on September 28, 2010 at 9:14pmIf it took Germany this long to pay off WWI, think how long it will take us to pay off the federal debt + unfunded pension and medical liabilities at te federal and state levels = $110T+
Report Post »beekeeper
Posted on September 29, 2010 at 1:23amIf it took Germany this long to pay off WWI, how long will it take to pay of WWII?
Report Post »NEVER.GIVE.IN
Posted on September 28, 2010 at 8:05pmoh my! How much of that money is the government of France dependant on? Just a few million (or are we talking real money)? We know it gets ugly when socialists run out of other people’s money.
Report Post »Deutscher
Posted on September 28, 2010 at 9:50pmYou know Germany is socialist right?
Report Post »flamedone1968
Posted on September 28, 2010 at 7:15pmNice art work. (I wish I could draw like that) You may want to visit Prescott, Az. especially around town square. Lots of beautifully done bronze statues there. The museum is just the other side of whiskey row behind the St. Michael Hotel and I imagine would stir you art nicely.
Report Post »mtnclimberjim
Posted on September 28, 2010 at 6:58pmNow someones sugar tit just dried up.
Report Post »El Paco
Posted on September 28, 2010 at 6:30pmWow, interesting story guys. Never knew they were STILL paying for it. Yay for that monkey off their backs ^.^
Report Post »Jimbo
Posted on September 28, 2010 at 5:36pmI checked out your site. It is very good. You are quite an artist. I am glad at least one war is over. Iraq will always be a place of turmoil, and Iran is getting more dangerous every day. Afghanistan is and will be a unstable country for years to come. Anyway wish I had some of that repayment money. My family served and lost members during that war and I don’t believe we ever got a dime.lol. Your such a good artist please join my site, http://www.cowboyrecommended.com. join today and get a lifetime membership for free. Any cowboy, cowgirl or farmers are welcome.
Report Post »LBreath
Posted on September 28, 2010 at 5:12pmI wonder how long the next world war will be over before our debt is paid?
Report Post »Joey
Posted on September 28, 2010 at 5:06pmThe War to END all Wars is just getting over??? Wait a minute.. The second World War was also the War to end all wars, it’s over right?? Lord love a Duck the Germans are still paying for that War too…No wonder History continues to repeat itself, Treat a Dog badly too many times and it bites back
Report Post »smugsmiley
Posted on September 28, 2010 at 5:13pmExactly, thus the Marshall plan. Treat the dog nicely for a change, and you have a friend for life. Seems to work so far.
Report Post »tmarends
Posted on September 28, 2010 at 4:33pmTreaty of Versailles = worst treaty ever! This “treaty” directly lead to the rise of Hitler and WW2.
Report Post »smugsmiley
Posted on September 28, 2010 at 5:03pmYes, but it was a nice example on how not to do it and, in a way, prompted the Marshall Plan. So there’s SOME good to it at least.
Report Post »Firelight
Posted on September 28, 2010 at 4:26pmWho or what is involed in nearly every conflict in the world today ?
Report Post »So who or what shot the bullet prompting WW1 ?
Oh NO a Rebellious Religion can not be held responsible for the actions of Man.
So sorry I meant a Peacefull Religion -bla-bla -bla.
Joe Said
Posted on September 28, 2010 at 3:57pmNow it all makes sense. Obama set a timeline for the end of the war, he just didn’t say WHICH war. I wonder if he’ll use this success in his reelection campaign. I can see it now:
“I promised I’d end the war…and we did it. George Bush couldn’t get us out of World War I.”
Report Post »BoilitDown
Posted on September 28, 2010 at 4:06pmThat’s good, thanks for the laugh.
Report Post »Skwerl E. Muckenfutch
Posted on September 28, 2010 at 4:40pmWell played old boy, well played.
Report Post »flamedone1968
Posted on September 28, 2010 at 7:22pmLMAO No doubt. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit that more than a few in Washington have been wracking their brains trying to figure out if they can put a spin that would let them take some credit for it.
Report Post »uneedmorekoolaid
Posted on September 28, 2010 at 7:33pmAt the communist rally on saturday he is going to tell the world how he has finally ended WW1 and if everyone joins a union and votes him in again in 2012 he will end WW2! Commies unite!! Can we start testing nuclear bombs saturday in DC? Seems like it might be a good day 10-2-10 just has a nice ring!
DavidFactual
Posted on September 29, 2010 at 3:07pmObama’s going to end WWII at the ONE NATION Rally!!??!! After all, it was the COMMIES that rolled into Berlin first. The incompetent and lazy Patton just sat outside the city waiting for the Soviet Army to roll in and save the people by immediately building a wall to keep out that dispicable Western Capitalism, Free Enterprise, and that wicked Jewish cult called Christianity. Workers of the world UNITE.
Report Post »Flagwaver
Posted on September 28, 2010 at 3:54pmWow, talk about a long war…
Report Post »Venom
Posted on September 28, 2010 at 3:52pmWelll……uhhhh would have been nice if there wasn’t a second world war……i thought they were just running a tab.
Report Post »jb1972
Posted on September 28, 2010 at 4:45pmYeah, think of all the text books that have to be changed now?
Report Post »Kinnison
Posted on September 28, 2010 at 6:19pmIf it hadn’t been for President Woodrow Wilson there would not have been a WWII. First, he was reelected to the presidency in 1916 with the slogan “He Kept Us Out Of War!” and then he almost immediately got us into one. Germany did not start WWI, the Serbian nationalists and the Austro-Hungarians did. Germany was pulled into the war by the terms of a defensive alliance, as were most of the rest of Europe. And after we entered the war and helped the Allies win it, Wilson came up with his “14 Points”, which Germany thought fair and so signed an Armistice with the Allies. Wilson, not nearly as bright or as skilled a diplomat as he thought himself, went to France and was taken to the cleaners by the European politicians at Versailles and ended up trading away 13 of the 14 points to secure the last one, the League of Nations, which an increasingly disgusted Congress and the American people repudiated and never ratified. Meanwhile the Germans—who didn’t start the war, remember—were forced to sign the “war guilt clause” and begin paying ruinous war reparations to the Allies, both of which ensured that there would be a WWII just as soon as all sides could grow a new generation of troops. Woodrow Wilson, the idealist Progressive intellectual, was the father of WWII.
Report Post »smugsmiley
Posted on September 28, 2010 at 6:32pmThat’s a little harsh, Kinnison. All your facts are correct, but I wouldn’t call Wilson the father of WW2. I can’t say I like Wilson or his policies, but I still see him more as a contributing factor than a major reason.
Report Post »Brooke Lorren
Posted on September 28, 2010 at 8:57pmActually, the causes of World War II can be potenially attributed to the 1918 flu that killed about 50 million people. During the negotiations of Versailles, Woodrow Wilson caught the flu. He recovered, but his brain was never the same. He changed his position on the terms of peace between the time he caught the flu and the time that he resumed negotiations.
Report Post »rubberbabybuggybumpers
Posted on September 29, 2010 at 12:52pm@ KINNISON – Well thought out, and very concise. Although there were other factors involved, you make a very valid point about the U.S.’s contribution to starting a Second World War. Hat’s off.
Report Post »Ron Staiger
Posted on September 28, 2010 at 3:44pmThe decendants of Woodrow Wilson should have paid off that debt!
Report Post »Firelight
Posted on September 28, 2010 at 4:29pmThe League of Nations should kick in some $
Report Post »David Foxfire
Posted on September 28, 2010 at 5:17pmOh yeah, sure. Pin the grief on descendants who had no control over who their father is, and make them as guilty as the people who committed the sin. Has anyone ever read the “No Corruption of Blood” clause in the constitution?
Mark S
Posted on September 28, 2010 at 5:52pmPlease explain on how Woodrow Wilson is responsible for the assassination Archduke Franz Ferdinand by a Yugoslav nationalist, or Germany’s invasion of Belgium, France and Luxembourg starting World War I?
Report Post »I guess Woodrow talked Kaiser Wilhelm into it.
dazyann010501
Posted on September 28, 2010 at 11:03pm@David Firefox,
Where in the Constitution does it have…“No Corruption of Blood” clause in the constitution? I am not seeing it and I have a copy of the Constitution right in front of me!!! ;)
Joseph_Plumb_Martin
Posted on September 28, 2010 at 11:54pmHe has like superpowers Mark,granted to him by the ghost of Andrew Jackson
Report Post »longhorn mama
Posted on September 29, 2010 at 12:19amYou know, I met one of his great-grandsons. He was dating a friend of a friend at Princeton in the early 90′s. I can’t remember his name except for the Wilson part. I think Woodrow might have been one of his middle names. I understand the sentiment, and I think the guy was well off but I doubt anyone could pay 94 BILLION!
Report Post »KeninMontana
Posted on September 29, 2010 at 1:12am@Mark S. It was a Serbian Anarchist not a Yugoslavian nationalist as Yugoslavia did not exist at the time.
Report Post »ARMOR BEARER 147
Posted on September 29, 2010 at 7:54am@ DAZYANN010501
U.S. Constitution, Article III, Section 3, The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.
However, this clause does not apply to this situation because contrary to current belief The U.S. Constitution only applies to “WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.“ This clause pertains to treason against ”WE THE PEOPLE“ perpetrated by one of ”WE THE PEOPLE.” It has no jurisdiction in war tribunals or international law. Although similar, if not exact, clauses may appear in such venues. It also appears in the scriptures:
“The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him.
“But if a wicked man turns away from all the sins he has committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, he will surely live; he will not die.
None of the offenses he has committed will be remembered against him. Because of the righteous things he has done, he will live.” [Declares The Soverign LORD.]” Ezekiel 18:20-22
I included the redemption verses (18:21-22) for the glory of God to show His great mercy on us.
That being said always “Act justly, love mercy, and walk humbly with your God.” Micah 6:8 —-[-
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