Would Jesus Christ Occupy Wall Street?
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Billy Hallowell
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Would Jesus Christ occupy Wall Street?
This may seem like an odd question, but in looking at the reaction coming from liberal Christian groups, it seems they’ve already settled in on an affirmative answer.
The Rev. Jim Wallis has showered the protesters with accolades, calling them “inspirational” and dubbing them “citizen economists.” He even penned an open letter to the Occupiers in which he covered, in-depth, his positive thoughts about the movement. And who can forget his list of circumstances under which the protesters “stand with Jesus?”
In a recent interview with one of the protesters — a man named “Drew” — Wallis questions the man’s involvement in the Occupy movement. Drew, who says “the current system is suicidal,” explains what it is that the protesters want:
But Wallis isn‘t the only faith leader who’s throwing his weight behind the protests (or, at the least, giving extensive attention to the Occupiers, while penning “love” notes to them). Nicole Neroulias writes that “there’s a growing religious component” to the Occupy movement.
Take, for instance, Fordham theologian Tom Beaudoin, who wonders if the Catholic Church could learn something from the protests. Beaudoin, who has been participating in Occupy Wall Street, posted his views in America Magazine:
Imagine a group of Catholics whose deep care for the future of their church is matched by their sense of responsibility to name, protest and change what is intolerable about that church today: in the form of nonviolent physical occupation of spaces, in the form — necessarily imperfect and unruly — of democratic organization, in the form of continued open-ended articulations of visions of a different Catholic Church, without prematurely forcing the movement to take on a specific agenda. And yes, in the form of consciousness-raising and of direct action. This would be the Catholic version of the Arab Spring, to combat the long Catholic Winter.
Last week, the New York Daily News quoted some Christian clergy who have been encouraging participation in the movement as well. Rev. Donna Schaper, senior minister at Judson Memorial Church, says it’s time for the faith community to speak up and join the protests.
“Some say faith leaders should stay out of this,” she said. “But actually every faith gives preference to the poor. The Hebrew and the Christian scriptures are full of warnings about the acquisition of wealth to the harm of others, and of the requirement that the poor and dispossessed be cared for.”
During a service that was held down at Zuccotti Park two weekends ago, Rev. Michael Ellick of Judson Memorial, took the rhetoric a step further. ”This isn’t just a jobs issue, or an education issue, or a health care issue, this is a spiritual issue, about what the United States has become,” he said.
Ellick, though, has some cautiousness when it comes to the movement’s many messages and the potential he sees for violence. He also believes that the faith community is the most equipped to push for economic justice for all. He says:
“It takes long-term organizing and a deep-vision future, but faith communities have to be the ones to do it. We’re the only ones who can carry that kind of message so that all the little messages don’t eat us up…
[The protesters are] doing something amazing. But simultaneously there are a lot of people with a lot of different agendas. And as they have no clear vision to move forward, things are naturally going to turn violent at times.”
But Rev. Chuck Currie, a United Church of Christ minister and the Associate Director of The Westar Institute, doesn’t seem to have these reservations. In a piece published on the Huffington Post on Monday, he wrote:
For Christians, supporting the Occupy America protests should be clear-cut. The protesters are lifting up principles of compassion, justice and love. These principles are central to the Christian faith.
We need to do more to address the truly fundamental problems facing our nation. As a start, we need Congress to pass President Obama’s American Jobs Act.
Earlier this month, Marisa Egerstrom mirrored these statements. Enerstrom, is a Ph.D. candidate studying American religious history at Harvard University, wrote the following on the CNN Belief Blog:
…at its heart, the Occupy movement is about creating a democratic society in which everyone matters, there is dignity in working together across differences, and there is enough for everyone. Is this vision tantamount to socialism? No. Once upon a time, we called this “American.”
It also sounds pretty Christian to me. What the early Apostles called “The Way” was a vision for peaceful living that built on Christ’s teaching, life, death and resurrection. The Way repudiates the pursuit of individual wealth in favor of building communities that care for the marginalized, the desperate and the powerless. Jesus demonstrated this by healing lepers and dining with prostitutes and tax collectors.
This is not to say that American democracy is synonymous with Christianity, nor to argue that it should be…
But on Pathos, columnist J.E. Dyer dismisses similarities that have been made between Christ and the Occupiers, writing that, “Jesus is the very antithesis of an occupier.” Using scripture to back up her claims, she writes:
Jesus never went anywhere uninvited. Even when he rebuked the money-changers in the Temple, he did not approach the institution as an antagonist, demanding entry on his own terms. He entered the Temple in obedience to the Father, as a Jew going to worship: exercising the privilege of a Jew under the commandments of God and the system of worship and priestly authority God had instituted. At no time did Jesus enter the premises of any person or institution on any but an orderly pretext.
Additionally, she said that Jesus didn’t defy authorities in order to make his point. In fact, she contends, Christ obeyed his enemies all the way through his death and even rebuked Peter for showing resistance. “The resurrected Jesus doesn’t even occupy our hearts,” Dyer writes. “He dwells there only at our invitation.”
While the debate continues to rage, at least one fact seems evident: The faith community will likely continue its involvement in the protests.
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Comments (391)
tankyjo
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:23pmNot the Jesus in my Bible.
Report Post »Applehead
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:39pmJesus would criticize the elite for greed like he did the Pharisees but also share a meal with whoever would invite him to their home like he did Mathew the tax collector! Jesus would say its up to the individual not the government but to also rich elite to treat your brothers how you want to be treated. He loves all of us from the most radical to the most pious!!! We are all his children on this planet and he loves us all! We will be judged on how we treat each other regardless of race, religion or income but also how much we love him!
Report Post »recreationalcalculus
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:47pmQuite Right!
And one of the company said unto him, “Master, speak to my brother, that he divide the inheritance with me.”
Report Post »And he said unto him, “Man, who made me a judge or a divider over you?” And he said unto them, “Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man’s life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.”
rangerp
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:52pmJust read the Bible, then look at the goals of those marching on Wallstreet and the rest of what libs believe.
the wall street crowed is anti Semetic _ read Genesis 12:3
The wallstreet crowd is anti capitalism – read Proverbs 31 it is a perfect example of capitalism
13 She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands.
14 She is like the merchants’ ships; she bringeth her food from afar.
15 She riseth also while it is yet night, and giveth meat to her household, and a portion to her maidens.
16 She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard.
17 She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms.
18 She perceiveth that her merchandise is good: her candle goeth not out by night.
19 She layeth her hands to the spindle, and her hands hold the distaff.
20 She stretcheth out her hand to the poor; yea, she reacheth forth her hands to the needy.
21 She is not afraid of the snow for her household: for all her household are clothed with scarlet.
22 She maketh herself coverings of tapestry; her clothing is silk and purple.
Report Post »SpankDaMonkey
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:54pm.
Report Post »The answer is YES!!! He would heal the sick and febel minded………..
WSGAC
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:57pm“Why wasn’t this perfume sold and the money given to the poor?” – Judas Iscariot
“He did not say this because he cared about the poor but because he was a thief; as keeper of the money bag, he used to help himself to what was put into it.” – John the beloved
“Leave her alone,” Jesus replied. “It was intended that she should save this perfume for the day of my burial. You will always have the poor among you, but you will not always have me.” – Jesus Christ
“Beware those who wear clerical collars and pretend to care for the poor while saying ‘this is what the gospel is all about.’ Inwardly they are ravenous wolves with a political agenda!” – WSGAC
Report Post »getalong
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:58pmJesus was definitely NOT a communist progressive. He would have hated the concept of “social justice” because it strips people of their God-given rights and de-values individual life and the rights of each person to live their life as they see fit. Basically, communist progressives and socialists think they are smarter than God.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:59pmnotice that in the Bible, when it speaks of taking care of the poor, it speaks to the individual, not a government.
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
The role of government is to punsish the evil and reward the rightious.
1 Peter 2:14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
Report Post »webpreacher
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 9:03pmAmen, to both post & reply
Report Post »child of God
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 9:13pmI believe the Bible has a word for these guys, they’re called “false teachers.”
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 9:14pm2 Thessalonians 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
Nope, no socialism there. This post is to easy. If you actually read the Bible, you can not see it any other way. Socialims, Communism are contrairy to Bible. Thus the reason many communist leaders were die hard athiests, and murdered or jailed Christians.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 9:19pmI do know the Pope that stood with Reagan against the USSR in the 1980′s would stand with the workers today. http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2011-10-12/news/bs-ed-occupy-wall-street-20111011_1_critique-profit-motive-capitalism
The church is aware that the bourgeois mentality and capitalism as a whole, with its materialist spirit, acutely contradict the Gospel,” Blessed Pope John Paul II
“From the church’s standpoint, it is a question of ensuring, by way of various economic-structural forms, just participation by all members of society, and especially people of work, in possessing sufficient amounts of assets and participating at least to some extent in productive goods.” Blessed Pope John Paul II
Report Post »Max jones
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 9:26pmAny student of Prophecy, knows the diabolical influences at work within the movement, and would answer wth a resounding“NO” to this inane question. More people know less about what’s going on from a biblical viewpoint than the constitution, and most know squat about the constitution. There is a lot of denial out there about our current events. The TRUTH will overtake the illusion, soon. There will be a good number of recriminations and a lot blaming.
Report Post »the wireworker
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 9:36pmyou shall know them by their fruits!
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 9:55pmGive to Caesar what is Caesars. That means whatever the law is regarding those monies. You pay your taxes and tithes as well.
Report Post »ChiefGeorge
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 9:57pmParable of the talents. He was very pleased with the servant who invested his money wisely and yielded fruit.
Report Post »Rightsofman
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:15pmThere were plenty of opportunities to protest/demonstrate in Judea in Jesus’ lifetime but the New Testament does not mention Jesus participating in one that I know of. He was not of the things of this earth. If you can find a bonafide incidence please post a reply.
the hawk
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:20pmI still think it’s about free will ! I dont want anyone preachin to me that wants to take my Free Will away !……………….I want to choose to be charitable………I want my gifts to be blessings…as the more I am blessed the more the more I help my brother and sister…………….
Report Post »Jesus would be tellin these people go prepair thy self for gods favor…..and gods kingdom for this world and this system are as dead…………………………………….. THE meek Shall inherent the earth !
Not the self pitying, envious , jealous , ect……………………………
Eliasim
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:53pmDoes a Robin occupy someone’s yard until they get a worm for free?
Report Post »danielsangeo
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:08pmMatthew 19:16-24:
Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”
“Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”
“Which ones?” he inquired.
Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,‘ and ’love your neighbor as yourself.’”
“All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”
Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.
Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”
Report Post »Marci
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:23pmOnly those who have no clue what is going on, and Wallis has Owe-bama in his pocket and they both wholeheartedly agree that stealing from others is in the bible. Are they convinced? No, they know that’s a lie. But they know morons everywhere will believe it.
Report Post »Bible Quotin' Science Fearin' Conservative American
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:24pmWhatever, morons. Jesus was Occupy Wallstreet before it was cool. His whole preaching basis was built around being anti wealth and power.
It is incredible how you Right wingers think that Jesus would be pro-capitalism. You’re kidding yourselves. Jesus didn‘t have much use for money and power and that’s what you guys worship.
The10thAmendment
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:40pmUm, no.Jesus Christ was 100% directive to the individual. Jesus Christ would care about as much about American Politics as he cared about Roman politics. NONE!
I’m banking on the FACT that if Jesus walked by that mob He would tell them to take a bath and get a job on their way to getting a life.
Bad news for Libitards. My Salvation won’t translate to you. Billy Grahams won’t translate to me. The Pope‘s won’t translate to the Dalai Lama.
Collective Salvation, and Liberation Theology are L I E S!
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:45pmSounds to me like anyone can interpret the Bible to mean whatever the heck you want it to mean…which is another reason why the Bible is not the ultimate authority on anything. It’s all interpretive…
Personally, I think Jesus would have been a community worker helping the poor and driving a Prius.
The10thAmendment
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:46pm@ rangerp
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:59pm
notice that in the Bible, when it speaks of taking care of the poor, it speaks to the individual, not a government.
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
The role of government is to punsish the evil and reward the rightious.
1 Peter 2:14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
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I disagree with you on other things, but this is a BRILLIANT post. Well done.
banjarmon
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:49pmHe would drive the OWS from the street like he did the money changers in the Temple! Then he would tell the OWS to use the talent they have to earn for themselves!!
Report Post »danielsangeo
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:53pmCorrect. Jesus didn’t talk about our system of government because our system of government was not around during the time that the Bible was written. When Jesus talks about what Christians should do, he talks as a group what the individuals should do. And, in our system of government, we, as individuals act as a group.
I am constantly told that the United States is a Christian nation and that our government should be modeled after Christianity. Yet, when push comes to shove, they don’t really want a government modeled after Christian ideals.
Report Post »danielsangeo
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:55pmSo, jobs are available but people just don’t want to work or has Obama so destroyed this economy that there are no jobs?
Report Post »The10thAmendment
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:55pm@ danielsangeo
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:08pm
When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.
Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”
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Lazarus and Joseph of Arimathea were rich. Want to gamble your life savings on where they are this day?
God allowed Satan take all that Joseph had. As a reward for remaining faithful Job returned 10 times more than he lost. Want to gamble your life savings on where Job is this day?
The key to wealth is establishing it by the will of God, and never forgetting where that wealth came from, but that if it’s used for the right purpose the reward is great.
Report Post »The10thAmendment
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:57pm@ banjarmon
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:49pm
He would drive the OWS from the street like he did the money changers in the Temple! Then he would tell the OWS to use the talent they have to earn for themselves!!
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LMAO. That he would. But I doubt he would instruct them what to do. He just wanted the scabs off the property!
The10thAmendment
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 12:11am@ Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:45pm
Sounds to me like anyone can interpret the Bible to mean whatever the heck you want it to mean…which is another reason why the Bible is not the ultimate authority on anything. It’s all interpretive…
Personally, I think Jesus would have been a community worker helping the poor and driving a Prius.
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How’s that search for the explanation of gravity going? You know nothing about that subject, and even less about this one.
Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 12:14amFunny how none of you see Jesus driving Wall St. bankers from their “temple”. Somehow I think Jesus would have been more offended by rampant Wall St. greed than by a few out of work protesters.
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 12:17am10THAMENDMENT…you are a religious nut job. There’s no bigger fool than an educated fool.
Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 12:21am10THAMENDMENT…actually I don‘t believe in gravity because it’s not in the Bible.
Report Post »Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 12:23amGood night, 10THAMEND…don’t forget to turn out the lights when you finish preaching.
Report Post »danielsangeo
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 12:49amSo, either the Bible or Jesus is wrong or you are. When you put money ahead of humanity, you go against God’s wishes. That is what OWS is about.
Report Post »Steve
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:05amLumbar Spine
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 12:14am
Funny how none of you see Jesus driving Wall St. bankers from their “temple”. Somehow I think Jesus would have been more offended by rampant Wall St. greed than by a few out of work protesters.
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OMG. Thank you so much for making the case as to how incredibly stupid you are.
Jesus drove the money changers from the temple. The money changers you refer to are banks and places of business not houses of worship.
When you said the bible can be interpreted in many different ways I guess you were referring to those who understand Christs message and comprehending the word to those like yourself who are completely clueless and distort God truth to enhance your idiotic brain seizures.
Your funny dude. Thanks for the entertainment.
Report Post »Steve
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:24amdanielsangeo
I’m gonna lay this out as simply as I can and use little words so even people like yourself can understand.
Jesus did not say give money to the goverment so they can give it to the poor.
Jesus said tithe 10%.to your church and give Caesar what is Caesar’s Give your money directly to the poor, Feed a hungry man, shelter those who are less fortunate.
Got it now. Jesus wouldn’t be anywhere near OWS for many reasons some of which
Communism. Destroys the faith of God and replaces him with the State. Look our many souls were murdered under Communism. Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot just to name 3
How about being supported by the Nazi Party.
How about being supported by Iran or better yet incorporating Jew haters within your movement and protesting against a false occupation for the Islamic evil called Palestinians.
No I think Jesus would rebuke you and all of your minions desperately trying to not reform America but collapse America and take what is not yours and call it social justice.
I‘m sorry I said I’d use small words.
Minions: Meaning zombie drones not knowing what they say or what they do but it looked cool at the time.
Report Post »Palestinians: A term created by Arafat‘s propaganda machine in the 70’s
Islamic: A political ideology created by a mass murdering pedophile madman
Link8on
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:29amThese Occupiers are neither praying, nor breaking out the palm fronds.
Report Post »PATTY HENRY
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:14amNOT MY JESUS. HE would say to them: HONOR THY FATHER AND THY MOTHER; Don‘t use the LORD’S name in Vain; Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s; work or don’t eat; etc etc etc. Why would he want to walk with people who MOCK HIM? WHO MOCK the COUNTRY HE GAVE US?
Report Post »The10thAmendment
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:33am@ Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 12:21am
10THAMENDMENT…actually I don‘t believe in gravity because it’s not in the Bible.
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You’d make a lobotomized eggplant appear intelligent. Gravity is A L L through the Scriptures.
The10thAmendment
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:37am@ Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 12:14am
Funny how none of you see Jesus driving Wall St. bankers from their “temple”. Somehow I think Jesus would have been more offended by rampant Wall St. greed than by a few out of work protesters.
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The Wall St Bankers are on Wall St doing the job they were hired to do. I doubt Jesus would worry about them 1 way or the other. Why should he care? Christ deals with the eternal soul of individuals one on one, and leaves government alone. Just as he did when he walked the Holy Land.
The10thAmendment
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:49am@ Lumbar Spine
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 12:23am
Good night, 10THAMEND…don’t forget to turn out the lights when you finish preaching.
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And the Lord said, “Let there be light, and there was light.” For whatsoever a man sows, so also shall he reap. An unruly child brings dishonor to his family. FORTUNATELY for you, I won’t ever be done preaching. ON that note. Proverbs 22:6: “Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.”
I suspect that many of the toadstools on Wall St protesting, are the vile offspring of the rejects from Haight Ashbury, Kent State, and Woodstock. You know, mental and moral giants like Abby Hoffman, Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn, and Charles Manson.
Report Post »rangerp
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 5:09am@Spineless Lumbar
“Sounds to me like anyone can interpret the Bible to mean whatever the heck you want it to mean…which is another reason why the Bible is not the ultimate authority on anything. It’s all interpretive…”
Wow, sounds like many on here are giving you an education.
Funny how often you hear a lib try to tell you what Jesus would or would not do, and as soon as we come back with Bible, libs generally claim athiesm next.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 5:34amRight. He would escape the crowd ready to stone him because his time would be not yet.
Report Post »colt1860
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 5:58amAnd what does the bible say about rich folks?
Behold that which I have seen: it is good and comely for one to eat and to drink, and to enjoy the good of all his labour that he taketh under the sun all the days of his life, which God giveth him: for it is his portion. Every man also to whom God hath given riches and wealth, and hath given him power to eat thereof, and to take his portion, and to rejoice in his labour; this is the gift of God. Ecclesiastes 5:18-19
The blessing of the LORD, it maketh rich, and he addeth no sorrow with it. Proverbs 10:22
What did God say about the entrepreneur?
Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him? Ecclesiastes 3:22
Report Post »teamarcheson
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:53amNo.
God expressed his anger of homosexuals and perverts at Sodom and Gomorrah when he ordered his angles to destroy these cities with his atomic weapons. God did not join in with adulterers or drug users in the temple market place but beat the money lenders out of his Father’s House.
God would be a leader in the TEA.
Report Post »teamarcheson
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:01amWho Wrote This Story?
Did some Atheist write this story? Isn’t it amusing how Atheist always know more about Christians than Christians. Lets pray for the end of Israel because when Israel ends, God will return. As soon as Obama and his Evil Corps destroy Israel, God will tell his angles to start packing his bags and charge up their LASER SWORDS. I do not think He will return to Earth as a poor baby.
TEA is on God’s side, are you?
Report Post »teamarcheson
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:13amWe All Know What The Woodstock-Wall-Street Communists Are Looking For
Someone, a Christian to nail to a cross. Freedom and Liberty are rights that come from God that cannot be taken away. When God told his Diciples in the Mt. Olive Garden to arm themselves as the Temple Priests were coming for him, he was telling us that “Self-Defense” was also a gift from God. Our Oaths to protect and defend the US Constitution bound to God’s instructions to us in the Garden legally and morally legitimize our acts of violence against those Domestic enemies who have taken over the public green. Our coming war against the domestic enemies of America is a Just War like the war against 1940s Fascism.
Report Post »blattack
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:15amLets make this VERY CLEAR……..Jesus said..MY KINGDOM(Government) IS NOT PART OF THIS WORLD. Jesus would NOT be in the streets and supporting violence and hatred, do not be fooled, this government and ALL others will come to end, Gods Kingdom is the real answer.
Report Post »Apostle John said at 1 John 2:15…Do not be loving either the world or the things in the world..“IF” anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
Futher more the world is “PASSING AWAY” and so is its desire, but he/she who does the will of God remains forever……………Do not put your faith in man or mans governments, they will not work, only God can accomplish and bring true peace and happiness to this earth. Jesus will return friends on this you can trust.
teamarcheson
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:18amEveryone must memorize those Woodstock-Wall-Street Communist faces in these pictures. They are the enemy of the US Constitution, America, and you. When their Civil War erupts we will have to hunt them down and bring them to Justice.
Woodstock-Wall-Street-ers we know who you are and where you live.
Report Post »teamarcheson
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:31amThese Woodstock-Wall-Street Rallies Are An Excellent Idea
We now know who the domestic enemies of America are and have their ID and pictures. The enemy came out of the shadows for us to photograph them. We now know the blacks are not the enemy because few if any blacks are in these WWS rallies. If these domestic enemies resort to violence, they will make our Day.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:55amYour bible is corrupted, then.
Jesus Christ died fighting against the Police State, the Moneychangers, and the Religious Hierarchy.
He went right into the church and turned over the tables of the Moneychangers.
They tried to get him to renounce paying taxes, and you KNOW what he said.
Yeshua said to them, “Give what is Caesar‘s to Caesar and what is God’s to God.” And they marveled at him.
They crucified him because he rebelled against the collaboration of the Roman Police State, the Religious Hierarchy liars, and the Moneychangers- the armies of SATAN!!!!
STOP LYING ON SWEET BABY JESUS!!!!
Report Post »encinom
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 10:38amthe wireworker
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 9:36pm
you shall know them by their fruits!
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It is clear from the posts here that many of the “christian” followers of Beck enjoy the fruits of greed and selfishness and use the bible to defend the money changers in the temple.
InversionTheory
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 10:55amIt’s been a while since I read the Bible, but can someone tell me where Jesus says you should take out debts you can’t repay than then hang out in a public space to protest the people who loaned you the money. Is it in Luke? John?
Report Post »motonutt
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 10:59amMy opinion…..Jesus would be there, not to care about the polotics, but to try to win the souls of the Godless freaks that are showing up in mass. And to these priests that are using Jesus as a politcal ploy……shame will be on you. Just give it time.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 11:24amThe bible says that you lend out of the kindness of your heart, and you are only supposed to expect the same in return, you are not supposed to add interest. Interest is called USURY. It is a sin in Christianity and Islam.
When the Banks get a loan from the Fed printing money out of thin air at .01% interest, then lend it to others at higher interest, just by doing that inflates the debts of those who already owe debts yo yhr Fed through the banks, because the Fed backs all those debts (loans) up to a certain amount. Additionally it is finacially unsound to lend gigantic banks loans at .01% interest, but rob the people with higher interest rates, as the banks simply lend out 90% of all deposits.
Shut down the Fed, shut down the interest. Stop the usury.
Report Post »SeanW
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 11:28amThe Jesus in all bibles would be locked away in an asylum in today’s world.
Report Post »jzs
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:12pm“Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy.” -Proverbs 31:8-9
“He who mocks the poor shows contempt for their Maker; whoever gloats over disaster will not go unpunished.” -Proverbs 17:5
“He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God.” -Proverbs 14:31
“The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern.” -Proverbs 29:7
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:17pmYo Seanw:
If that statement would be true…. it is not a statement about the foolishness of Christ but the sad, sinful condition of the world, which would speak to evil being called good and good being called evil. You should put the rope in your hands down… you hang yourself !
Jesus spoke out against greed,
Jesus spoke out against coveting,
Jesus spoke out against lazyness,
Jesus spoke for helping others,
Jesus spoke for being content,
Jesus spoke for hard work,
The wealthy and the poor will die and go to hell.
The wealthy and the poor will die and go to heaven.
Jesus would have NO interest in occupying wall street. The situation in this nation exists because He has determined it to be as it is. He restablished His Kingdom on the cross and when He returns He will occupy the WORLD.
Jesus would DO what He DID…..heal the sick, drive demons away and preach the Kingdom.(TRUTH)
If Jesus was there HE WOULD BE THE STORY…… and the people would say…… who is this man that does these things and says HE IS Lord ?
Questions is not what Jesus would do…. it is more like what would the people do to Jesus…. would we still hear crucify him!, crucify him! ?????? With tears, I believe so.
There is nothing new under the sun……….Everything I have spoken is written in His Word!
Report Post »He is my Lord now and forever!
Solzhenitsin
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:34pmGravity in the scriptures- for ‘spine:
Amos 7:7-8
Thus He showed me, and behold, the Lord was standing by a vertical wall with a plumb line in His hand. The LORD said to me, “ What do you see, Amos?” And I said, “A plumb line.” Then the Lord said, “Behold I am about to put a plumb line In the midst of My people Israel. I will spare them no longer.
Zechariah 4:10
For who has despised the day of small things? But these seven will be glad when they see the plumb line in the hand of Zerubbabel—these are the eyes of the LORD which range to and fro throughout the earth.”
Genesis 49:17
“Dan shall be a serpent in the way, A horned snake in the path, That bites the horse’s heels, So that his rider falls backward.”
Exodus 21:33-34
“If a man opens a pit, or [b]digs a pit and does not cover it over, and an ox or a donkey falls into it, the owner of the pit shall make restitution; he shall give money to its owner, and the dead animal shall become his.”
Samuel 5:3-4 When the Ashdodites arose early the next morning, behold, [the idol of] Dagon had fallen on his face to the ground before the ark of the LORD. So they took Dagon and set him in his place again. But when they arose early the next morning, behold, Dagon had fallen on his face to the ground before the ark of the LORD. And the head of Dagon and both the palms of his hands were cut off on the threshold; only the trunk of Dagon was left to him.”
Report Post »The10thAmendment
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:13pm@ V-MAN MACE
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 9:55am
Your bible is corrupted, then.
Jesus Christ died fighting against the Police State, the Moneychangers, and the Religious Hierarchy.
He went right into the church and turned over the tables of the Moneychangers.
They tried to get him to renounce paying taxes, and you KNOW what he said.
Yeshua said to them, “Give what is Caesar‘s to Caesar and what is God’s to God.” And they marveled at him.
They crucified him because he rebelled against the collaboration of the Roman Police State, the Religious Hierarchy liars, and the Moneychangers- the armies of SATAN!!!!
STOP LYING ON SWEET BABY JESUS!!!!
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Say what? Jesus didn’t come to oppose government, he came to bring Salvation against the false teaching (wormwood) of the Church. He showed how little Romes governance meant when he told the people to render unto Caesar the things that be Caesars. He ESTABLISHED a separation of Church and State. Jesus drove out the money changers who were selling things from the porch of the Church. Why? Because they were inviting corruption into HIS Temple.
He warned His followers not to be involved with the cares of this life. Protests against government, and those who work in the business world are nothing Jesus would have condoned mixing.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 4:14pmYo V-man:
I believe you are incorrect on many things… one is the charging of interest… that is for one believer to another. Jesus does not speak against interest being charged… he actually speaks against putting yourself in a place where you owe others (banks), because they then become your master. Many have learned this lesson too well. I have found that Jesus knows what he is talking about… it would be good if WE did a better job of knowing what he is talking about.
ALSO… they crucified Jesus because He claimed to be God !!!!!!!!!!!
He NEVER rebeled againt the Roman empire or called for it !
Keep reading.. understanding is not a place you get to, it is a journey of advancement and continued movement.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 10:02pm“No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.” (money)
“And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all of them who sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,
And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.”
” If you lend money to any of My people who are poor among you, you shall not be like a moneylender to him; you shall not charge him interest.” Exodus 22:25
He also said this: ” “Do not think that I came to bring peace on Earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. ”
Jesus Christ was crucified for three reasons, because he called himself God- pitting himself against the religious hierarchy of the time, because he went into the temple and overturned the moneychangers’ tables, and because the Big Brother government of that time, the Roman Empire, followed “democratic” rules of the time and allowed the people to vote for Barabbas, a murderer, to be set free instead of Christ, an innocent:
“He released the man who had been thrown into prison for insurrection and murder, the one they asked for, and surrendered Jesus to their will.”
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 10:10pm“To a foreigner you may charge interest, but to your brother you shall not charge interest, that the LORD your God may bless you in all to which you set your hand in the land which you are entering to possess.” (Deuteronomy 23:19,20)
“…forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.” The Lord’s Prayer
Jesus didn’t establish a separation of church and state, Jesus Christ is the HEAD of church AND state. Our rights that are inalienable in the Bill of Rights comes from Jesus.
Jesus Christ was an activist. Jesus Christ was out there preaching in the streets “against the cares of this life”…including government by men.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 10:13pmLet me say this one more time…
Jesus Christ did NOT establish a “separation of church and state”.
Jesus Christ is the HEAD of church and state, from whence your inalienable rights descend from ON HIGH.
Report Post »4truth2all
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 11:36pmYo V-man:
Report Post »That’s much better… still would take issue with the paragraph …. Jesus Christ was crucified for 3 reasons….but I wish not to argue, I find this something for a more personal discussion….. blessings
pavepaws
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 11:57pmThe “faith community”, dancing with the Devil.
Report Post »DrFrost
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 11:27amI couldn’t agree more Tankyjo. Jesus was concerned about spiritual matters for the most part.
1) I don’t see Jesus condoning violence as a means to influence Wall Street.
2) I don‘t see Jesus condoning the anti semitism we’re seeing come out of this group.
3) I don’t think Jesus would be leaving behind mounds of garbage for someone else to clean up.
4) I don’t see Jesus rushing police officers or throwing bottles at them.
The list goes on.
The teaching of Jesus can be summarized in this: Love your Lord God with all your heart, mind and soul and your neighbor as yourself. These people aren’t reaching out in love. They’re reaching out in violence and anger to try to enforce their ideas on others. They have far more in common with radical islamists than they do with Christ.
Report Post »Jefferson
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 2:05pmI don’t know if he would occupy Wall St., but if Herman Cain lived in Jesus’ time, then he would have been one of the ones who had his “table overturned” for being a “money changer.”
Jesus was one of the FIRST revolutionaries in recorded history. That’s why they crucified him.
Not much different than what they are trying to do to Ron Paul.
Report Post »Gypsy123
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:21pmFigures Wallis and his people would stand with people who pee on photos of Jesus and commit all kinds of abominations. Even Satan recognizes Jesus.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:21pmJESUS CHRIST owns wall street.
Report Post »TruthSpeaker
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 9:14pmthat is by far the most inane thing you have ever written.
Report Post »Gypsy123
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:19pmJesus did not promote politics. He only said render unto ceasar what is his he didn’t tell the mobs to go out and attack rome. Also secular christians are not normal christians so please don’t lump them into the christian groups most of them only use the parts of the bible they can spin. In other words as a christian I don’t consider them to be part of true christians. Esp Wallis he is rev in name only not in ideology.
Report Post »The10thAmendment
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 12:08amThe term reverend is used exactly once throughout scriptures. Psalm 111:9 He sent redemption unto his people: he hath commanded his covenant for ever: holy and reverend is his name.
There’s no man on this earth who is reverend. To use it is to usurp the authority of God.
Report Post »Talmid of Yeshua
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:19pmcontinued:
2 Thessalonians 3:
6-9 Our orders—backed up by the Master, Jesus—are to refuse to have anything to do with those among you who are lazy and refuse to work the way we taught you. Don’t permit them to freeload on the rest. We showed you how to pull your weight when we were with you, so get on with it. We didn’t sit around on our hands expecting others to take care of us. In fact, we worked our fingers to the bone, up half the night moonlighting so you wouldn’t be burdened with taking care of us. And it wasn‘t because we didn’t have a right to your support; we did. We simply wanted to provide an example of diligence, hoping it would prove contagious.
10-13 Don’t you remember the rule we had when we lived with you? “If you don’t work, you don’t eat.” And now we’re getting reports that a bunch of lazy good-for-nothings are taking advantage of you. This must not be tolerated. We command them to get to work immediately—no excuses, no arguments—and earn their own keep. Friends, don’t slack off in doing your duty.
14-15 If anyone refuses to obey our clear command written in this letter, don’t let him get by with it. Point out such a person and refuse to subsidize his freeloading. Maybe then he’ll think twice. But don’t treat him as an enemy. Sit him down and talk about the problem as someone who cares.
No, Jesus, Yeshua, would not support Occupy Wall Street.
Report Post »kickagrandma
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:23pmAmen to your posts. Your Scripture choice is right on. GOD BLESS.
Report Post »danielsangeo
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:10pmWell, thankfully, the OWS people are not advocating laziness or refusal to work.
Report Post »Steve
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:38amdanielsangeo
Maybe not all of them but they are advocating taking from one and spreading it to themselves all in the name of social justice.
Thou shalt not steal.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s (goods)
Jesus would not be part of your plan to destroy my Republic and by the grace of God and his influence over our founding fathers we enjoy free market ideas not socialism
Report Post »VinnieCCT
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 11:21amYou nailed it!
NIV version…
2 Thessalonians 3
6 In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers and sisters, to keep away from every believer who is idle and disruptive and does not live according to the teaching[a] you received from us. 7 For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example. We were not idle when we were with you, 8 nor did we eat anyone’s food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. 9 We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you to imitate. 10 For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”
11 We hear that some among you are idle and disruptive. They are not busy; they are busybodies. 12 Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the food they eat. 13 And as for you, brothers and sisters, never tire of doing what is good.
14 Take special note of anyone who does not obey our instruction in this letter. Do not associate with them, in order that they may feel ashamed. 15 Yet do not regard them as an enemy, but warn them as you would a fellow believer.
Report Post »Talmid of Yeshua
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:18pmSorry, Jesus, or as His proper name is, Yeshua, isn’t a long-haired hippy liberal white European.
Yeshua was a Torah-observant Jew, whose disciples taught that if you don’t work, you don’t deserve to eat.
How some “christians”, and I use the term loosely, come up with this “social justice” crap from the Scriptures is beyond me, it is NOT in the Bible, but most people haven’t really read the Bible, and have tried to understand it in it’s true historical and culturally Jewish meaning…..
… more in next post….
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:45pmNot to be snitty, but his name is Ιησου, iesou, in Greek, which is how God the Holy Spirit chose to record his name for eternity. So Jesus is plenty proper for me.
Report Post »WSGAC
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 9:05pmDon’t ya just love these guys that put a badge of honor on themselves for saying “Yeshua” instead of “Jesus”?
Look at me everybody. I am a truer follower of Yeshua, cuz I say his name the Hebrew way!
Report Post »ZengaPA65
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 9:59pmYes its great that he looks for the real truth in things with an open mind as opposed to just believing what everyone else says just because “everybody says so”.
Report Post »Tractorboy
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:03pmDear WSGAC , we do not disrespect your god the spiral light bulb, try not to be an azz
Report Post »if you look into christanity and follow it’s teachings you may live a happy and fullfilled
life my man, please explore what makes christians fullfilled, and perhaps join us if you like.
if not be angry post a bunch of crap that doesn’t make any sense and fullfill your master
satan with your hate so he may one day collect your soul. sorry fellow christians not sure
if this is a proper god like post. god bless
kcinco
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:17pmNowhere in the Bible does it say anything about Jesus being an activist or occupying the stairs of the temples protesting the wealthy taxpayers. He challenged believers to be better people, to live honest, compassionate lives and not to go around life’s difficulties, but to face our challenges with His strength and guidance in us. Jesus was not about taking the easy way out, like these protestors are. That want everything given to them! Life is hard, get a grip, get off the streets and find a job. Be part of the solution, not the problem!
Report Post »Lord_Frostwind
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:17pm“Render unto caesar that which is caesar’s” I believe that pretty much sums up what Jesus would do.
Report Post »vennoye
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 9:57pmTeaching to the early believers was pretty clear……1Corinthains 5:11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner–not even to eat with such a person.
Report Post »Seems like many of the protestors fall into one or more of these catagories. Just exactly what is the phlosophy behind spread the wealth if not covetousness???????
vennoye
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 10:15pmTry again….philosophy..:-)
Report Post »Solzhenitsin
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:39pmIt doesn’t sum it up if you leave off the rest of what He said ” … give to God what is God’s.” The Jews to whom he spoke would have understood that to mean not just paying their tithes and the temple tax but also to, “Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.” (Deut. 6:5)
Report Post »LOJ
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:11pmJesus would never be for lies and deceit…this Occupy Wallstreet is destroying lives by further draining the system, it is not about democracy it is about creating chaos in the guise of democracy. The 10th Commandment is: Thou shalt not covet any thing that is thy neighbor’s. Redistribution of wealth is stealing from those who work to support their families and communities and giving it to those who don’t do anything but protest! Jesus would drive them out and tell all of them to do a Honest Days Work!
Report Post »danielsangeo
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:12pmSo, when you lie about OWS….
Report Post »Steve
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:42amdanielsangeo
Lies such as??????????
Report Post »mend54jc
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:56amHe doesn‘t know he is just googling everything to try and twist God’s Word
Report Post »Solzhenitsin
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:55pmHe didn’t come back to defend his false charge. The fact is that there are so many divergent voices of OWS, one can certainly prove that someone has said something which has led to the conclusion that they are supporting “X” and hard to prove that no one in the bunch is supporting “X” if that makes them look bad. Signs have called for socialism, communism, killing/eating the rich, anarchy, war, etc. and to say it’s a “lie” to believe they mean it is a bit beyond the pale.
Report Post »macpappy
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:10pmTo Billy Holloway: This could possibly be the stupidest question I have seen asked on this forum.
Report Post »A fine artical in whole, then ruined by a childish question that is an insult to every Christian on this forum. Of which I am not one, but it is also an intellectual insult to the rest of of us.
encinom
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:35pmI know Pope John Paul II would stand with the protestors:
“It is necessary to state once more the characteristic principle of Christian social doctrine: the goods of this world are originally meant for all. The right to private property is valid and necessary, but it does not nullify the value of this principle. Private property, in fact, is under a “social mortgage,” which means that it has an intrinsically social function, based upon and justified precisely by the principle of the universal destination of goods .” Sollicitudo
“special form of primacy in the exercise of Christian charity, to which the whole tradition of the church bears witness. It affects the life of each Christian inasmuch as he or she seeks to imitate the life of Christ, but it applies equally to our social responsibilities and hence to our manner of living, and to the logical decisions to be made concerning the ownership and use of goods .” Sollicitudo
“ all-consuming desire for profit and the thirst for power at any price with the intention of imposing one’s will upon others, which are opposed to the will of God and the good of neighbor.” Sollicitudo
The Pope that stood with Reagan against the USSR, would stand with the workers today.
Report Post »TruthSpeaker
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 9:47pmand ??? actually it is a pertinent question especially when His Truth is being ‘nudged’ to make it appear He is on the side of the Fleabaggers on wall street.
Report Post »danielsangeo
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 12:55amExcept, of course, that Jesus was all about helping the poor, not the rich who loved money more than God.
Report Post »mend54jc
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:52amYour right Jesus was about helping the poor and also said the poor will always be among us.
Report Post »Solzhenitsin
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:07pmWho are you to judge the hearts of men? Is it possible that there are poor folks who love money more than anything? There are many examples in the Bible of people who were rich and loved God more than anything. As for the actions of today, OWS and others want to take from others what is legally and legitimately their own by the force of the state. To do this would require changes to our national system which would be totalitarian toward everyone, not just ‘the rich.‘ Those of us who oppose these changes aren’t fighting to protect the rich but the principles of freedom which have allowed them to become so and allow others to become so.
Report Post »scout n ambush
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:05pmIf he was occupying the protestors they wouldn’t be there all they want is what all they can get they are not willing to sacrifice or pay anything to live in this country yet reap all of the benifits and create more entitlements .There will be no reconcileing the diffrences between them and us .
Report Post »danielsangeo
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:14pmYou do realize that you are being very anti-Christian when you bear false witness against your neighbor, right?
Report Post »Steve
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:46amdanielsangeo
Such as ?????????
Report Post »encinom
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 10:47amscout n ambush
Report Post »Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:05pm
If he was occupying the protestors they wouldn’t be there all they want is what all they can get they are not willing to sacrifice or pay anything to live in this country yet reap all of the benifits and create more entitlements .There will be no reconcileing the diffrences between them and us .
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the irony is that this statement is being made in defense of policies that have allowed the richedt 1% to reap vast fortunes while paying smaller and smaller percentages in taxes. The rich are the greedy that are demanding more and more from America, without sharing the scarfice or the burdens with the middles class and working class.
deeberj
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:19pmEncinom – “the irony is that this statement is being made in defense of policies that have allowed the richedt 1% to reap vast fortunes while paying smaller and smaller percentages in taxes. The rich are the greedy that are demanding more and more from America, without sharing the scarfice or the burdens with the middles class and working class”
You are believing the lie that‘s been shoved down your throat by socialists who want to bring down our gov’t so they can take over. The only rich people we need to worry about are the corrupt ones whose companies have been bailed out by our corrupt gov’t. Everyone else who got rich – more power to ‘em!
I’m happy to see that the American dream is still obtainable. I heard a man on the radio the other day, he’s a resident dr. and will be one of the evil rich one day. He is from a blue collar town near me, grew up without much, he worked his way through medical school so he doesn’t have huge debt, and he is succeeding ON HIS OWN WITH NO GOV’T HELP.
Report Post »Solzhenitsin
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:10pmDan- take your own advice. You accuse people of lying when they tell the truth, you act as if you can see people‘s hearts and motivations and then sit in judgement on your ’findings.’
Report Post »JEANNIEMAC
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:03pmJesus would know that the elites are the ones behind the protests, and are using the union members and young people to accomplish a takeover of the American economy.
Report Post »Alinsky’s methods include infiltrating, organizing and using existing social groups, such as churches, to have their members demand “change” and perks.
barber2
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:52pmAgree. Never heard Jesus cry ” the government should take care of its citizens !” He was all about loving your neighbor and taking a personal responsibility in your neighbor’s welfare. It was all about the individual. Nothing about Big Daddy government. 180 degree difference. The liberals merely cloak themselves in the mantle of Christianity to press their political agenda and to win votes. The Liberal Elites actually do not believe in a God and think that anyone who does is an ignorant fool who makes a “useful idiot” if the rhetoric is handled cleverly !
Report Post »danielsangeo
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:18pmBarber2: Probably because our system of government was not around when the Bible was written.
Report Post »BDL1980
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:02pmThis is very disgusting.
Jesus was about the individual doing the right thing.
Not being coerced into doing things.
It only has value and meaning if the individual does good out of their free will.
He said work and take care of yourself help others when you can.
Report Post »momprayn
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:00pmAgree with NETMAIL, INBLACK — NO!!! He’d be down there rebuking them. It‘s only the LOVE of money that’s a sin and He commanded help be given VOLUNTARILY- not giving to Govnt to do it…which would be ….stealing. These are just more ppl who call themselves “Christians” but aren’t and were warned about – the ones who teach false doctrines, etc.
Herman Cain says Jesus was a Conservative:
“The column claims Jesus as a conservative. “He helped the poor without one government program. He healed the sick without a government health care system. He feed the hungry without food stamps,” wrote Cain. “For three years He was unemployed, and never collected an unemployment check.”
Cain then describes Jesus’ death:
But they made Him walk when He was arrested and taken to jail, and no, He was not read any Miranda Rights. He was arrested for just being who He was and doing nothing wrong. And when they tried Him in court, He never said a mumbling word.
He didn’t have a lawyer, nor did He care about who judged Him.
His judge was a higher power.
The liberal court found Him guilty of false offences and sentenced Him to death, all because He changed the hearts and minds of men with an army of 12.”
God bless Herman Cain.
Report Post »Tim Law
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:23pmAmen! You’ve said it all! Economic justice? I have not come across that one in the Bible. Our LORD always ask’s us to give ourselves freely. He has never told us to take from Peter to support Paul. I believe these people need to return to their Bible’s, read them and pray for understanding.
Report Post »danielsangeo
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:22pmThe government is run by we the people and how it’s run is voluntary based on what we want. Therefore, when we ask the government to do X, that is something voluntary we do. Unless, of course, you are against people like me having the power to choose what happens in my life.
Report Post »Link8on
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:59am@DA
Our government in the USA was created by men. Very wise and repentent sinful men, aware of the sins of mankind in general, and especially the sins of other governments that eventually brought tyranny over the people they ruled. These Christian founders were also aware that sin could creep in to the same government they created within a generation after their passing.
Jesus had a basic set of laws.
Love God.
Love your neighbor.
The ancient definitions of loving God always came with sacrificial worship action of burning away your best for Him at least once a year.
The pattern there was do your best outside of sin, so you can give your best away.
It would mightily impress me if over 2000 of the protesters were former Goldman Sachs or JPMorgan executives who voluntarily quit their lucrative jobs and bonuses, sold their yachts and golf club memberships to begin a commune there, but most of the protesters appear to be just alien trespassers.
When the alabaster jar lady poured it all on Jesus’s , cried, kissed, and even wiped his feet with her hair, Judas said that the alabaster could have been sold for a large sum to “help the poor”
Jesus actually commended her sacrificial action of worship to annoint him before his upcoming burial.
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Judas was among Jesus’s followers, but his heart was really on the money. (cannot have 2 masters)
Each of us has a “jar of alabaster” , some great gift from the Almighty . There will be a day when Jesu
The Divided States of America
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:00pmJesus would take his whip and flip the tables on these marxists traitors !!!
ive read the book and ive seen the movie …Jesus Wins !!!
Report Post »danielsangeo
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:37pmI thought he was going after the money-traders in the temple. Y’know, like Wall-Street.
Report Post »mend54jc
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:06amI am confused Wall St. is the temple of God?
Report Post »mend54jc
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:22amThis was a house of God and maybe you should study what the house of God was used for
The abuse was, buying and selling, and changing money, in the temple. Note, Lawful things, ill timed and ill placed, may become sinful things. That which was “decent” enough in another place, and not only lawful, but laudable, on another day, defiles the sanctuary, and profanes the sabbath. This buying and selling, and changing money, though secular employments, yet had the pretence of being in ordine ad spiritualia—for spiritual purposes. They sold beasts for sacrifice, for the convenience of those that could more easily bring their money with them than their beast; and they changed money for those that wanted the half shekel, which was their yearly poll, or redemption-money; or, upon the bills of return; so that this might pass for the outward business of the house of God; and yet Christ will not allow of it. Note, Great corruptions and abuses come into the church by the practices of those whose gain is godliness, that is, who make worldly gain the end of their godliness, and counterfeit godliness their way to worldly gain from such withdraw thyself.
Report Post »mend54jc
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:25amDon‘t misinterpret God’s word to whatever you want it to be…
The abuse was, buying and selling, and changing money, in the temple. Note, Lawful things, ill timed and ill placed, may become sinful things. That which was decent enough in another place, and not only lawful, but laudable, on another day, defiles the sanctuary, and profanes the sabbath. This buying and selling, and changing money, though secular employments, yet had the pretence of being in ordine ad spiritualia—for spiritual purposes. They sold beasts for sacrifice, for the convenience of those that could more easily bring their money with them than their beast; and they changed money for those that wanted the half shekel, which was their yearly poll, or redemption-money; or, upon the bills of return; so that this might pass for the outward business of the house of God; and yet Christ will not allow of it. Note, Great corruptions and abuses come into the church by the practices of those whose gain is godliness, that is, who make worldly gain the end of their godliness, and counterfeit godliness their way to worldly gain (1 Tim. 6:5); from such withdraw thyself.
Report Post »The Third Archon
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 7:58pmI love how the very first picture is, fictional, white Jesus, not possibly historically real Semitic Jesus.
Report Post »RichNGadsden
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 7:58pmThese libs are back to their old tricks. They have put words into the mouths of long dead icons constantly, but this takes the cake.
Report Post »encinom
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 9:21pmAnd the “good” Christians here are using the Bible to justify greed.
Report Post »Solzhenitsin
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:44pmNo, the good Christians here are attacking the false doctrines of holy covetousness (where you say it‘s a good thing to want to take wealth from others you’ve judged as unworthy and redistribute it to othersyou’ve judged as worthy) and socialism in the name of Christ.
Report Post »NewLife56
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 7:56pmNow is the time for everyone to be careful about what they think Jesus would say and do, it won‘t be a whole lot longer till we’ll all get to see him face to face, then, Only HE will get to do the talking, and trust me, you WILL listen
Report Post »CatB
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 7:52pmThinking of the 10 commandments .. I would say no … especially these….
8.You shall not steal.
9.You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10.You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”
Report Post »barber2
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:44pmTotally agree. Christ followed the Jewish traditions and commandments. He also stressed two commandments: to love God and to love your neighbor as you love yourself. I do not think that “redistributing” your neighbors belongings would get His seal of approval. Nor do I think that He would favor the character assassinations , the lack of respect , and the general lawlessness of these endless “occupations.” Christ was all about love. That is not what I am seeing in the Occupation of Wall Street where I see anger and revenge from people who are more concerned with earthly possessions than with spiritual matters. 180 from Christ….
Report Post »danielsangeo
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:21pmNo one is asking to covet or redistribute our neighbors belongings. Where the heck are you guys coming up with this stuff?
Report Post »mend54jc
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:44amdo you really need proof of where they want redistributing of wealth or you so blind that you don’t even know what the pastor in this video says maybe you so look into what they want before you start getting behind the OWS movement yourself daniel maybe you should go watch this http://web.gbtv.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=19851083&topic_id=24584158&tcid=vpp_copy_19851083&v=3
Report Post »deeberj
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 1:10pmMend54jc – thanks for that video. Very informative. Hope the person you wanted to watch it did so.
Report Post »barber2
Posted on October 20, 2011 at 10:15amDANIEL : Where are “we coming up with this redistribution stuff.”. What ? What planet are you on ?? We got it from the horses ‘ mouth ! President Obama. You guys are amazingly out of touch with your own unreality !
Report Post »vtxphantom
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 7:52pmNo, but he would go to the Vatican to clean out the nonbelievers and charletans.
Report Post »steveh931
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 7:51pmReally? Can we please stick to facts. Thank You…..
Report Post »Baerlin
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:26pmThe fact is that the gov’t is not our Saviour. As much as those in the mob would like to have it be so, Jesus said only one thing that matters: “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me,”
Report Post »danielsangeo
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:34pmThe government isn’t our savior. No one is saying it is.
Report Post »Solzhenitsin
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:01pmWhen you get down to it, the statists like Jim Wallis believe that the state is some sort of a legitimate stand in for God or at least His high priest. Otherwise they would not be advocating wealth redistribution through the state in the name of Christ.
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 7:50pmAll I know is I wish this whine would turn into water. A good 40 day soaker is in order. Now let us pray.
Report Post »let us prey
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:00pmSome real cold weather and a good soaking sounds right to me. Throw in some soap and they would be a memory.
Report Post »tankyjo
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 8:26pmMay not need it, latest I hear is they’re robbing each other blind. Redistribution at it’s best.
Report Post »danielsangeo
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:19pmSo, you guys are anti-1st Amendment?
Report Post »YepImaConservative
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 6:09amIf people want to express themselves that’s fine. As long as they obey the laws they should be allowed to. When people break the laws they should also be arrested. In this case from all that I’ve read and heard… OWS has overstayed it’s welcome.
Report Post »Solzhenitsin
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:03pmNo one is advocating that the government shut them up, so there is no conflict with the first amendment.
Report Post »NOTYERHUCKLEBERRY
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 7:48pmVery simple, NO!!!
Report Post »inblack
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 7:48pmNo – he would be telling people to take responsibility for their own lives
Report Post »danielsangeo
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:19pmThat’s exactly what OWS is.
Report Post »Steve
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:57amdanielsangeo
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:19pm
That’s exactly what OWS is.
The OWS is about the redistribution of wealth and collapsing the country. We know the truth we know who SEIU is and its mission along with the other Unions and left wing progressives, socialist and communists. You sir are a liar and a propagandist with your 6 sentence posts. We see who you are.
Report Post »netmail
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 7:46pmHe would be knocking down tables again, that’s for sure.
Report Post »danielsangeo
Posted on October 18, 2011 at 11:40pmSounds like a violent OWS protestor going after money-changers.
Mark 11:15-19:
“And they came to Jerusalem. And he entered the temple and began to drive out those who sold and those who bought in the temple, and he overturned the tables of the money-changers and the seats of those who sold pigeons. And he would not allow anyone to carry anything through the temple. And he was teaching them and saying to them, “Is it not written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer for all the nations’? But you have made it a den of robbers.” And the chief priests and the scribes heard it and were seeking a way to destroy him, for they feared him, because all the crowd was astonished at his teaching. And when evening came they went out of the city.”
You all are seeking to destroy OWS because you fear them and you want to make this country into a den of robbers.
Report Post »mend54jc
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 2:48amWOW just keep googling verse and twisting it where did he go again can you read that for me again? Where again did he flip the tables over?
Report Post »scout n ambush
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 4:12amGoogle oh yeah Oct 15 is the anniversary of Mao Zedong and his army taking over a majior part of china . co inky dink?
Report Post »Skye904
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 8:00amI’m pretty sure Jesus says blessed are the peace makers not the agitators.
Report Post »Solzhenitsin
Posted on October 19, 2011 at 3:14pmThere you go again, Dan, claiming to know the hearts and motivations of others.
The people Jesus rebuked were cheating pilgrims who didn’t have the temple currency (thus the money changers) and were running a scam on the poor with regard to their doves for sacrifice. They were literally robbing people. There is no correlation between what they were doing in the temple of God and what is done in legitimate businesses of today. You made a deal about not bearing false witness against others, why don’t you stop with your own false accusations?
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