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WSJ Economist: Brunt of ‘Obamacare’ Costs Will Be Shouldered by Those Making Under $120K

WSJ Economics Writer Stephen Moore Tells Fox and Friends That Obamacare Costs Will Be Shouldered by Those Making Less Than $120,000 per Year

(Photo: Screen Shot/Fox News)

Stephen Moore, an economist with the Wall Street Journal, appeared on Fox News recently to discuss the ramifications of the president’s new health care law…and his analysis is sure to come as a shock to those who haven’t been following the matter closely.

Though Barack Obama assured the middle class he would not raise taxes on those making less than $200,000 a year, Moore’s research shows that in reality, a significant percentage of the burden will be shouldered by those making $120,000 or less by the year 2016.

Here are rough numbers of how the costs will increase over the next few years:

WSJ Economics Writer Stephen Moore Tells Fox and Friends That Obamacare Costs Will Be Shouldered by Those Making Less Than $120,000 per Year

(Photo: Screen Grab/FOX)

“Why do you think that somehow,” host Alisyn Camerota asked, “this equates to a tax to everyone?”

“Well, the court decided this the other day, didn’t they Alisyn?” Moore responded with a smile.

“And you know there’s an old saying that if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s a duck.  I’ll tell you this, for Americans who are going to have to pay these fines, penalties, taxes, whatever you want to call them…What we found is it’s going to be pretty darn expensive.  The taxes phase in over time so next year they might be pretty modest, by about 2015 or ‘16, for families that choose not to buy health insurance, you’re talking about a fine, Alisyn, that could be over $2,000 a year.”

From there, Camerota said that she had an example of these fines, “or taxes, as you call them.”

Rather than reiterate that a primary reason the bill was upheld was because it was determined to be a tax by the Supreme Court, Moore concluded: “You remember the president’s promise that when he was elected, no one making under $200,000 would pay a dime more in taxes…Again, whatever you want to call it Alisyn, fines, taxes, penalties, but three quarters of those costs will fall on the backs of families who make less than $120,00 a year, so it’s a big punch in the stomach to middle class families.”

Watch the entire exchange, below:

(H/T: Gateway Pundit)

 

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  • lukerw
    Posted on June 30, 2012 at 1:24pm

    I’m digging my own Grave as fast as I can, MASTah!

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    • smokeysmoke
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 1:42pm

      the tax is not the problem… its those who will pay only the tax but still get hc if they get sick… 600 dollars does not cover care when run by the govt… its gunna be so expensive… and the irs is gunna get greedy

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    • 79USMC83
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 2:18pm

      It is NOT a tax but it is the IRS’s job to collect the NON-TAX but the IRS‘S job is to collect TAX’S and if you do not pay your TAX’S they charge you PENALTIES and INTEREST !!!! Sounds like the Oligarchy: A government of the FEW that takes control for CORRUPT and SELFISH purposes has WE THE PEOPLE or Peasants every which way !!! “Let Them Eat Cake” Why is TERM LIMITS NOW !! or FAIR TAX NOW !! even discussed ? Look up the Senate and House Senority list people. We have Congress “TRAITORS” that are serving over Forty and Thirty years !! It is an OLIARCHY !!!

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    • soybomb315
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 2:25pm

      @lukerw
      those who are pushinhg for Romney are digging all our graves for us. In light of the supreme court decision, we need to make drastic changes. The primary is still ongoing….withdraw your support from Romney and demand we have a comprimise between the moderates and the constitutionalists. Someone like Rand Paul is what we need

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    • I.Heart.America
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 2:27pm

      I’m NOT worried about ObamaRobertsTaxCare…..The GOP Governors are going to ignore the Supreme Court ruling until AFTER the Nov. elections. Romney will win by a landslide.

      The House will vote to repeal it on July 11th…it will be a success. Then…we will take the senate in Nov. Romney will repeal it on day one. He HAS to….he has NO choice..it is the NEW theme of his campaign and he knows the American People will hold his feet to the fire.

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    • aChameleon
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 2:32pm

      They can concoct the most elaborate and convoluted master plan ever devised in the history of the world, and I still won’t give them the thing they want most of all — MY VOTE.

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    • rickc34
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 3:32pm

      the worst part is the lack of primary care MD’s, no one to care for the sick or injured, it will not take hours it will take days to be seen, people will die before a doctor has a chance, lower pay with the risk of getting sued and having to close their business, Doctors are not to thrilled and the Hospitals are not to happy either, back when Clinton was president patient to nurse ratio went up , it was not because of a shortage of nurses it was cost , so it will happen again , . What happened to my nurse, what happened to my Doctor, what do you mean they said no to the medication that could save my life. The wheel was rolling, you can not be refused in an emergency room but that will change , now the wheel will be flat , then broken and not moving at all.

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    • Ragnars Repos
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 3:33pm

      Conservatives are such piss-poor ‘defenders of the constitution’. It’s disgusting to watch them complain-and-wait, complain-and-wait, complain-and-wait, and on, and on; scared to death to be ridiculed by the left, scared to death to open their too, too pure mouths and unleash some spirited, and righteous resistance on their would-be, no, soon-to-be masters.

      Not sure what they’re waiting on. It surely isn’t Romney, is it? Do conservatives actually believe this Progressive Republican (watered-down-socialist) will save individual freedom and what‘s left of the ’American way of life’?

      Fat chance, ‘patriots’.

      Get on your knees, like Beck says. It‘s all you’re good at. Pray to your ghosts in the sky and hope that SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE does the work of saving your sorry *sses from impending tyranny.

      You’re already mostly slaves to bankers and pols (redundant, I know), so what’s a few more inches to full-blown tyranny, right, conservatives?

      So, you will be permitted to wave your pretty flag, for now. That should make you feel better. But, be sure sit still for your masters so that they might have an easier time of fitting you and your families with tax-payer-funded shackles. OK, proud Americans?

      That’s it. Goooood little serfs.

      SOMEONE will most certainly be along shortly to ‘take care of you’, babies. Just wait patiently for it, please.

       
    • I.Heart.America
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 3:40pm

      We can’t change EVERYTHING that has happened to this country over decades …in just a few short years. Sure…I would LOVE to have a Constitutional Conservative as my Pres. candidate but that is NOT going to happen in Nov…. Romney is ALL we got. But…I will work…fight and put my money where my mouth is to help put as many of them as I can in the house and in the senate NOW. If we are going to CHANGE Washington then we HAVE to change the people that we SEND there. We are fighting battles ONE at a time and the PATRIOTS of this country will NOT accept defeat and more and more are waking up to THE TRUTH everyday. We fought hard before the 2010 elections and we handed many Reps. their PINK SLIPS…We fought the unions in the Wis. recall elections and we BEAT them. I hope that Romney will choose a WONDERFUL VP and announce that choice soon. Our leaders KNOW that WE THE PEOPLE are AWAKE…..we ARE watching…we WILL hold your feet to the fire….and we DO vote…..God Bless America

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    • I.Heart.America
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 3:43pm

      and also……Patriots REPLACED Sen. Richard Lugar (Republican) of Indiana with a Conservative.

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    • I.Heart.America
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 3:46pm

      Please support Conservative Ted Cruz of Texas for the U.S. Senate. His run off election is on July 31st. We NEED HIM in Washington!!!!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYoSUuheLkg

      http://www.tedcruz.org/home/

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    • soybomb315
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 3:56pm

      @I.Heart.America
      Such faith you have in the party that has been selling us down the river for decades. I started drawing the line in 2008 – i will not vote for a single progressive, no matter what letter is after their name. Romney is not “all we got”. But if it is who we end up with, then it will be a failure (either this november or thereafter)

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    • WeCanFixThis2
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 4:14pm

      This debacle is far from over. Don’t bury you. Allow the anti-American crowd to bury themselves.

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    • I.Heart.America
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 5:13pm

      Please support Sen. Jim DeMint of S.C. and sign his Repeal It All..Pledge

      ” I hereby pledge to support only those candidates who will fight to completely repeal President Obama’s healthcare takeover”

      http://www.repealitall.com/

      I.Heart.America  
    • I.Heart.America
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 5:27pm

      Don’t want to fight with anyone on TheBlaze….unless you are a communist putting down my country. I will fight for The Greatest Nation that God ever put on this planet… The United States of America until my dying breath.

      There are some old sayings……

      If you don’t vote…..don’t complain
      If you don’t lead or follow then get out of the way

      My Great Uncle who is a POW from World War II….who suffered for my freedom and yours too…said..Give Them Commies H*ll Darling…..Yes Sir…You Can Count On It…

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    • I.Heart.America
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 6:03pm

      I think some people on TheBlaze are not happy with their state. THAT begins at the local level..as everyone knows. I love my state…it’s Alabama…have lived here all of my life…

      We have a Republican Governor and my district has Sen. Jeff Sessions

      We have tough laws on immigration similar to Arizona

      Recently my state passed a law that bars the enactment of ANY policy recommendations traceable to Agenda 21. Our property can NOT be confiscated by the United Nations withOUT due process.

      Also….ObamaRobertsTaxCare will NEVER see the light of day in Alabama

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    • BloodSweatandTears
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 6:43pm

      The Big O didn’t lie…he said families making under $200,000 wouldn’t be paying a dime more…sneaky why of saying you’ll be paying a hundreds eventually thousands more instead. I liked it when it was only going to be nine cents.

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    • Plan B
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 7:01pm

      And if you think that is bad:

      (Reuters) – International Monetary Fund Managing Director Christine Lagarde called Egyptian President-elect Mohamed Mursi to discuss the economic challenges facing Egypt and how the international lender can best help, a spokesperson for the IMF said on Friday.

      “The MD reiterated that the IMF stands ready to support Egypt and looks forward to working closely with the authorities,” the spokesperson said.

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    • Look4DBigPicture
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 7:29pm

      Most people who don‘t have insurance can’t afford it, so taxing them is penalizing people who don’t make enough money. This tax is merely another stream of revenue for the Feds to spend at will.

      Obamacare is unfitting … it should be more appropriately referred to as …. “ObamaDon’tCare”.

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    • PATTY HENRY
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 9:47pm

      WOW, the SOROS paid TROLLS are out in force eh? They are trying to hide this HORRIBLE debacle of Obama’s under the bed????
      OBAMACARE is designed to BREAK THE BANK of AMERICA; TO enslave all of us; USING OUR MONEY to hire IRS agents to come after us…and at the same time, that sawed-off-sob in the WH is giving out waivers to his cronies??? THE UNIONS for the GOV. WORKERS have about strangled this country. That needs to go and state by state they are figuring that out…now this RIDICULOUS HEALTH CARE Marxist POS has to go. Do you really think there’s not a DEATH PANEL ? ARE YOU NUTS? YOU sheeple DEMS. They want women to skip a year on mammograms. I know women would would have died if that were the case. Breast Cancer comes up in 5-6 months; 5-6 more months and it’s inoperable. I am sure there are things like that with men.
      INSTEAD of going after fraud, waste, duplication, and putting things like buying across state lines; going after crooked ins. cos. etc. this gov. whose actual purpose is the take over of America, this crreep in the WH has taken the route of least resistance, he doesn’t give a damn, they’ve made their millions (off of us) and he’s completed the destruction of America for his Muslim Masters and COMMIE bosses. This is THE election. There is no way back if this creep gets a second term.

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    • cbrown
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 10:46pm

      WSJ Economist – Isn’t it an oxymoron. I hope you folks are not buying stocks/bonds/Gold based on WSJ Economist. Their prediction has been a disaster.

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    • anomnomnommm
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 11:09pm

      “OMG someone from the WALL STREET JOURNAL said it?! Fox is, for this brief arbitrary time, not part of the ‘MAIN STREAM MEDIA’ and I will trust them”.

      Grow some spines.

      I dare you all to read this. Don’t forget to adds Glenn Beck and The Blaze to the list with FOX too…
      http://www.businessinsider.com/republicans-confused-about-government-spending-2012-6

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    • DownWithDems
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 11:35pm

      I saw a great new phrase for Obamacare on Newsbusters.com
      I think that we should all start using this phrase and spread it all over the country.
      Send emails to everyone you know. Use it in all your posts.
      Soon it will be part of the American language.

      TAXACARE TAXACARE TAXACARE

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    • lukerw
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 11:40pm

      @SOY…
      If RAND PAUL… was the name upon a Ballot… I would Vote with Happiness!

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    • jzs
      Posted on July 1, 2012 at 12:18am

      That’s false of course but not unexpected. That didn’t happen with Romneycare did it? The Republicans are throwing crap against the wall to see what sticks. Let’s see, first the argument was that he ACA would “destroy freedom.” That didn‘t happen in Massachusetts with Romneycare and it won’t happen anywhere else. Then it was “death panels” and “putting Government between you and your doctor” but that’s obviously a ridiculous lie because all insurance is still private because there is no public option. “The Government” is telling insurance companies they can’t jack up your insurance rates or drop you because you get sick, but the only person between you and your doctor is, still, your insurance company.

      Now if you don‘t like universal health care you can move to another country that doesn’t have it and is, therefore, “more free” in your mind. It wouldn’t be a western democracy like Canada or England or Japan or whatever though, because they all have universal health care. It would have to be a middle eastern or third world country. There are some countries in Africa or in the Eastern Block that don’t have it. Maybe you could move there and be more free.

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    • West Coast Patriot
      Posted on July 1, 2012 at 2:13am

      Luke, Who is Rand closer to, Romney or Ron Paul? Romney IS NOT going to win if he becomes the nominee. Even after the SCOTUS ruling, where all of you said that Romney would benefit, he is worse in the polls than before, even on Fox’s!! Here are all of them,: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html
      All of you are so blind. I hear you saying, “Romney is gong to win by a landslide.” Delusional thinking. He will not win and if you people do not wake up, and I mean wake up now, we WILL have another four and Obamacare will definately have its fingers through all of society. Ron Paul is the only candidate at this point that has the real chance of defeating Obama. It is not too late to wake up and change the course of the nomination, but if you people do not wake up, and if you continue to support the progressive, you are going to be sorry.

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    • loriann12
      Posted on July 1, 2012 at 9:10am

      And no one is talking about what the bill says are the penalties for the INSURANCE companies. They have to come into compliance with plans that the Government approves of, and if they don’t they get fined $1 per person insured per day they are out of compliance. And they want everyone to pay for cadillac plans. The young aren’t going to like that, so they’ll take the 2.5% of their wages “penalty.” The more you make, the more you pay. So not only is this a money grab, but they are pitting young against old again. When something does happen to a young person who happens to have decided for the penalty, he‘s going to resent grandma who needs treatment and suggest she doesn’t get it because he has more life ahead of him.

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    • usedCZARsalesman
      Posted on July 1, 2012 at 11:11am

      @SOY…when are you guys gonna stop HURTING YOUR OWN CAUSE! Romney is NOT an America hating NWO globalist bent on the destruction of our republic and our culture. That is OBVIOUS to ANYONE with a brain. All this moronic talk all you RP’s spew out does nothing but DRIVE NORMAL PEOPLE AWAY from anyone or anything you endorse! I know for me at least, and time I even see a post by you, WEST COAST, ect…I INSTANTLY don‘t really care what you are saying and I usually don’t even read it. Romney (along with majorities in the house and senate) WILL start us moving in the right direction. Then we nominate Rand (or some other strong constitutionalist, but I doubt RP will be alive, what is he? 102?) in 2020 and by the time 2028 rolls around we’re golden…GET WITH THE PROGRAM DAMMIT

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    • tifosa
      Posted on July 1, 2012 at 11:25am

      Total lie, but gotta LOVE that the Republican’s are running THE ONE CANDIDATE IN THE WORLD who did the same thing the one time he had any governmental control!

      ANOMNOMNOMMM, thanks for the link. That doesn’t support the support their narrative so good chances it goes unread by most, as will this: Don’t Buy The GOP Narrative That Obamacare Is A Tax On Middle Class-It’s A Lie Designed To Mislead
      http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/06/28/dont-buy-the-gop-narrative-that-obamacare-is-a-tax-on-middle-class-its-a-lie-designed-to-mislead/

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    • soybomb315
      Posted on July 1, 2012 at 12:42pm

      @usedCZARsalesman
      Do you listen to Glenn Beck on the radio or watch GBTV??? The problem is that we keep electing PROGRESSIVES. Just because someone loves this country, does not mean they are not a PROGRESSIVE. Bush is probably a great guy – but he is a progressive politician. John McCain is a hero – but he is a progressive politician.

      You can have your opinion but i find it strange you come to this site and are so blind to the things Beck has talked about for years

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    • Independent4233
      Posted on July 1, 2012 at 2:23pm

      smokeysmoke
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 1:42pm
      “… and the irs is gunna get greedy.”

      And with 16,000 more armed IRS agents to levy fines and penalties, it is a monolithic increase in the trend for power in this country via Gestapoism.

      We’re heading for an absolute nightmare.

      This country‘s trend toward GeorgeOrwell’s brand of 1984 keeps getting more similar every day.

      Johnson…Carter….Clinton…Obama. Each successive liberal has been more radical than the one before him.

      And each of them has caused this society to degenerate to levels beyond repair.

      The American empire is going downhill fast.

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    • West Coast Patriot
      Posted on July 1, 2012 at 2:33pm

      UsedCarSalesman, You can stay blind if that is your purogative, and from what you say, as far as not reading our posts, proves you want to stay blind. We are here trying our level best to wake up the folllowers of the stars on TV with star glazed eyes. Did you look at all the polls on my link? It is very telling. We are trying to save our Republic by showing facts about your candidate, that he cannot win. He is disconnected with the voters, and it is apparant when you see how few come to his speeches and how few were willing to come to his aid in the delegate process. The establishment GOP had to commit felonies to get him where he is right now. Have you ever compared their crowds? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BpL6eQyXDs&feature=youtu.be

      Here is the newest video on Ron Paul: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QQl_fda5Ok&feature=youtu.be

      You guys just keep going the way you are and you will ensure that we get another four and solidify Obamacare for everyone.

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    • Independent4233
      Posted on July 1, 2012 at 2:49pm

      jzs
      Posted on July 1, 2012 at 12:18am
      “That’s false of course but not unexpected. That didn’t happen with Romneycare did it? ”

      Romnycare did not require an addition of thousands of revenue agents to levy fines and exact penalties. And it did not have the far reaching implications for control that is within Obamacare, which laps over into other areas as a kind of big brother overseer.

      Romnycare was developed by a coalition of labor, management, Republicans and Democrats, who collaborated on its makeup, its contents, and represented the people of his state.

      Obamacare was forced through Congress in spite of the vast opposition by the voters who did not want it. As scary Nancy admitted, “We have to pass the bill in order to see what is in it.”

      But the difference between the two that will be the most telling as we get further down the road is the fact that the taxpayers and Massachsetts could pay for the exorbitant tax at the time it was inacted. This country is not solvent and is not capable of handling the extra burden of costs for Obamacare, and will, in fact, financially implode without the additional costs associated with this ill-conceived plan.

      Be assured, foolish man (?), as this financial turmoil continues to worse, both Romneycare and Obamacare will go by the board, and the socialist institutions in Europe will be the trigger that will fire the starting gun.

      Just wait and see.

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    • West Coast Patriot
      Posted on July 1, 2012 at 2:59pm

      Independent, Typical modern day Republican. You are brainwashed into thinking that it is all the liberals fault. You choose to ignore the progressive Republicans as both Bushes, which means you will be brainwashed into voting for the progressive Republican Romney. You have been duped by your own party. I am an old school Republican that understand that Libertarianism is the heart and soul of conservatism that makes a true Republican. The problem is that I have noticed all of your kind will not understand until our country falls at the hands of these progressives on both sides of the aisle. It is very sad.

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    • Independent4233
      Posted on July 1, 2012 at 3:44pm

      West Coast Patriot
      Posted on July 1, 2012 at 2:59pm
      “Independent, Typical modern day Republican. You are brainwashed into thinking that it is all the liberals fault.”

      Not so. Read again. Romneycare will also fold….and I literally hated the neo-con Bush.

      “You choose to ignore the progressive Republicans as both Bushes…….. The problem is that I have noticed all of your kind will not understand until our country falls at the hands of these progressives on both sides of the aisle.”

      Both Bushes were incompetents. But it is the liberal presidents I mentioned who did irrepairable damage that literally turned this country to the left.

      This empire will surely implode, as all indications are showing that it is doing just that. And while it is the progressives who have done the most damage conservative Republicans have done their share as well, because no party has stopped this government from growing to the point where it no longers feels it has to answer to the people.

      My own theory is that it isn’t so much a smaller government we need but a smaller nation. As we continue to implode, I fully expect to see secessionist movements go into high gear, and armed cionflict on a grand scale, which will more likely than not result in secession and the establishment of ethnic/political enclaves won through armed conflict.

      A debt to GDP approaching 100% tells us that we are financially unsustainble.

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    • usedCZARsalesman
      Posted on July 1, 2012 at 4:42pm

      did you ever think that many of the progressive bills/regs/whatever that prog RINOs have passed over the years has been in large part due to them simply blowing in the winds of public opinion? Can you think of the last time their has been this MASSIVE of a constitutionally conservative base screaming at the top of their lungs that they want this nation back? NEVER, that’s when. We ALL know what has been done in the past, that is why you turn so many people off from your cause. You call us stupid and blind but we really see the EXACT same things YOU see we just understadn that this time around will FORCE our reps to do it right intead of just sitting back blindly and letting them pass whatever prog bill they want…those day are gone

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    • West Coast Patriot
      Posted on July 1, 2012 at 5:32pm

      Independent, I agree with you and believe that we will see war soon. I just wish we had a leader in Washington that truly believes in the Constitution in order to attempt to keep individual liberty in place. I believe that progressives like Romney or Obama will be all too eager to give in to the U.N. I know that the economies are going to fall at some point all over the world and I agree that there will be states that secede. Our country is about to change and the people need to get strong and we need to get on the same page in order to stop the super elite from controlling all of us. I just do not think Romney is the right choice as I do not believe he will have what it takes to defeat Obama.

      UsedCarSalesman, “Can you think of the last time their has been this MASSIVE of a constitutionally conservative base screaming at the top of their lungs that they want this nation back? NEVER,” Well, there is now, but everyone is rejecting it. The Republicans, for the most part, scream about saving our Constitution, but turn their back on the candidate that has dedicated his entire political carreer to pushing us back to the Constitution. No matter who we put in as POTUS, our economy is going to crash. I just want someone in power that will fight to the death and lead us to try and restore our freedoms after the calamity that is coming. I want to bring our troops home in order to protect us here trather than having them spread thin across the world.

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    • soybomb315
      Posted on July 1, 2012 at 5:53pm

      @usedCZARsalesman
      Oh really, you going to “force” the moderates in the republican party to do something constitutional or conservative – even though it has never been done.? You going to make the same moderate republicans who believe in NWO, big government, and deficit….What proof do you have that this strategy is working????

      Do they keep raising the debt ceiling, do they keep giving Obama more power through things like NDAA, do they keep, have they proposed cutting federal programs, have they proposed a constitutional amendment outlawing abortion? Or are they going to keep going with this republican/democrat political ruse and never fix the problems they say they are going to?

      If you want change, you have to elect change – otherwise everything will stay the same

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    • Independent4233
      Posted on July 1, 2012 at 6:41pm

      West Coast Patriot
      Posted on July 1, 2012 at 5:32pm
      “Independent, I agree with you and believe that we will see war soon. I just wish we had a leader in Washington that truly believes in the Constitution in order to attempt to keep individual liberty in place. I believe that progressives like Romney or Obama will be all too eager to give in to the U.N. I know that the economies are going to fall at some point all over the world and I agree that there will be states that secede. Our country is about to change and the people need to get strong and we need to get on the same page in order to stop the super elite from controlling all of us.”

      Well, there’s nothing I can disagree with there. You’ve got it pretty much right on.

      ” I just do not think Romney is the right choice as I do not believe he will have what it takes to defeat Obama.”

      I’m inclined to agree that Romney is another choice of a lesser of two evils, but I think the reason he might not win is because the country has tilted too far to the left, and the entire media apparatus is part of the Obama campaign. In fact, I doubt that even Reagan could be elected this November it has changed so much.

      We’ve reached a tipping point wherein there is not only financial armageddon staring us in the face, but our national unity has imploded as a people. We no longer are unified under a single view of our historical heroes, a single goal and single vision of what we want for our future.

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    • West Coast Patriot
      Posted on July 1, 2012 at 7:36pm

      Independent, This is where you keep your eyes covered to reality. Ron Paul would defeat Obama by a landslide, I guarantee you. Where Romney cannot get the majority of Paul supporterr votes, you know Paul would get them all. Where Romney would be lucky to get 2-5% of the Democrat vote, Paul would get between 35-40%, guaranteed. Paul owns the Independent vote, and since all of you say you would vote for ANYONE but Obama, Paul would get yours also. I know a lot of Democrats that wrote in Pauls name on their Democrat primary ballot, you just never heard about that in the news. Why is it Republicans say anyone but Obama, but will turn their back on the only Republican conservative that could defeat Obama? It makes no sense to me, it is quite frankly, insanity. And yes, Paul would work hard to repeal Obamacare, but unlike Romney, he will not try to replace it, he would work to keep government out of the healthcare industry altogether. Paul is the sane choice in this election, we may never have another chance at a Constitutionally sound candidate in the future.

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    • Independent4233
      Posted on July 1, 2012 at 10:01pm

      West Coast Patriot

      “Paul is the sane choice in this election, we may never have another chance at a Constitutionally sound candidate in the future.”

      Of all the people who have ran for president, I would vote for Ron Paul or Pat Buchanan. But neither one is a viable candidate right now. Buchanan isn’t running and I doubt that Paul could acquire the delegates.

      But, if either one were running instead of Romney, I seriously doubt that they could get elected. I think we’re beyond the point of no return.

      While I respect those of you who still maintain the traditional American spirit, I think our only shot now is to start over with a smaller nation-state of like-minded people.

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    • jeffbyrd2012
      Posted on July 2, 2012 at 12:33pm

      The mandate is not the only tax in this bill. There are many more, such as a 3.8% sales tax on all real property and a 2.3% sales tax on the sale of medical equipment, to name a couple. The House recently voted to repeal the last one.

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    • usedCZARsalesman
      Posted on July 3, 2012 at 9:56am

      WEST and SOY…unlike a lot of these people, I am 100% behind you principles. What I’m saying is the RIGHT NOW there is 0% chance of RP winning or even being on the ticket. The “forcing” I’m referring to lies in the fact that the Repub party (for the most part) now sees that they beeter hold to OUR standards, or they’re out, PERIOD. I MUST have faith that this will work, because after Mitt is elected, it’s gonna be another 8 years to get a guy like Rand in…if Obama wins, this nation is FINISHED (not being overdramatic, its just what WILL happen)…

      Trust me brothers, if it gets down to it, I’ll be in the fox hole with YOU GUYS…(I’m a pretty good shot, no worries)

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    • usedCZARsalesman
      Posted on July 3, 2012 at 10:13pm

      @WEST…then why did he get DESTROYED in EVERY primary? Are you really willing to stake your entire RP platform on “we were cheated by the RNC!”??? If so, you are no worse than the liberals

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  • Detroit paperboy
    Posted on June 30, 2012 at 1:20pm

    News flash:::::::::::
    Gun Sales Thru The Roof………………

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  • apojoe69
    Posted on June 30, 2012 at 1:18pm

    I think the 50% of the country that do not pay income taxes should pay for Obamacare since they will be the the ones using it the most. Then they won’t be freeloading so much. I think a special tax or surtax, if you will, should be imposed on all employed illegal immigrants and migrant workers to pay for the healthcare they get at all our emergency rooms around the country. This way they would feel so much more like the rest of us that are getting hosed by the health care costs.

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    • db321
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 1:25pm

      Nancy, was right we have to wait until it’s passed to find out what in it. I never ever for one minute thought that it was going to be anything other than a disaster. I wonder at what point do Obama’s idiots realize that they have been sold a bill of BS.

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    • Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 1:39pm

      @DB – what I am concerned over is what other mosterous suprises are waiting in the wings; especially those in the matter that say “to be determined by the secretary of…”

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  • Obamujahadeen
    Posted on June 30, 2012 at 1:18pm

    “Brunt of ‘Obamacare’ Costs Will Be Shouldered by Those Making Under $120K”

    Was there ever any doubt? When the Lyin king speaks, I take what he says, flip it on its head and there‘s closer to the truth than what’s coming out of his teleprompter reading flapper.

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    • MAMMY_NUNN
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 4:38pm

      Taxes are always passed on to the consumer so we all pay in the end.

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  • Gonzo
    Posted on June 30, 2012 at 1:12pm

    “Oh, but it’s for the poor people…and the children!” We already had programs in place for them Barry. Don‘t try and make the argument that it’s to bring costs down either! HC costs were rising 3% a year before Obamacare, 10% a year since it was shoved down our throats!

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    • Shasta
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 2:50pm

      Purley to remain in power, the progressives politians are supporting the 49% of Americans who do not pay taxes (have no skin in the game). These same folks get to vote. Any guesses how the 49% will vote in November if they thing their free stuff in in jeopardy? Like the guy said outside the Karl Rove protest, “Things are good now, we can’t let anyone jeapordize that now”. But in the end, when these tax and spend policies run their course, the government will be bankrupt, and most of the 51% who pay the taxes to support the 49%, wil be out of work too. Then the riots will begin

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  • NOTAMUSHROOM
    Posted on June 30, 2012 at 1:10pm

    The hard working, middle class, private sector taxpayers are ALWAYS the ones who shoulder the burden of the ProgressiComm’s collectivist schemes.

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  • GeorgieJo
    Posted on June 30, 2012 at 1:08pm

    MIDDLE CLASS TAX
    Only the rich and the poor will have healthcare
    YOU THINK you wait LONG in ER NOW?
    Obummer just added 800,000 new “patients” (illegal immigrants) to that line to ER….
    VOTE in NOVEMBER 2012!!!!!!!!!!
    OMG 2012

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  • wianno94
    Posted on June 30, 2012 at 1:07pm

    If you believe that government run AMTRAK, the USPS or EDUCATION are well run/efficient/cost effective programs, then you will love OBAMACARE.

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  • MeteoricLimbo
    Posted on June 30, 2012 at 1:02pm

    Oh hell, the Libs just redefine tax now. How in the world do you deal with such people. Its like trying to push a chain

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  • SiToNiTsOrOs1
    Posted on June 30, 2012 at 1:00pm

    The Supreme Court made its decision. Fortunately, the SC reigned in the commerce clause and made the whole Obamacare issue a TAX issue. Resolving tax issues is quite different. Obamacare WILL be A HUGH tax increase especially for the middle class.

    Bottom line: Obama and all supporters of this terrible legilsation LIED to the people. Yes the Supreme Court even said that (more or less if you read between the lines) about Obamacare its supporters (remember – let’s pass it beofre we read it…).

    What’s the solution? VOTE THE BUMS OUT. GET TO THE POLLS. VOTE FOR ANYONE BUT OBAMA – EVEN A SHOE HORN! TELL YOUR NEIGHBORS. GET FREEDOM LOVING AMERICANS REGISTERED. Transport them to the polls yourselves if need be.

    RISE UP AMERICANS! FIRE BHO AND ALL OF HIS CORRUPT ILK IN NOVEMBER.

    Never give up. You have a voice IF you vote. If you do not vote, it’s just like a vote for those who are causing our problems.

    Spread the word, even to those who have not woken up.

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    • RetiredAmericanNavyTaxpayer
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 1:32pm

      Tax proposals (bills) originate in the House of Representatives. These bills are either passed or voted down by the Senate with a simple 51 vote majority. A Republican Senate (comprised of genuine Conservatives – no RINO’ allowed) can defund and bring a screeching halt to any of the “Prezzy’s” socialist spending schemes.

      Solution: see SITONITSOROS1′s post above, paragraphs 3- end.

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    • Ragnars Repos
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 3:48pm

      What makes people like you think that Progressives (communists, and the like) care about lying to you?

      The end justifies the means.

      Wake up, people, The goal is to bring down ‘America’. No rational person can now assume that those in power have our best interests at heart.

      They are acting in direct opposition to what would benefit a free people.

      Can’t you see that?

      Why are so many people hung up on such dainty little BS as ‘Oh dear, I think they lied to us. Oh my heavens! How can they deceive us!’

      THEY ARE ANTI-AMERICAN, ANTI-CAPITALIST, LOW-CONSUMPTION, SAVE THE PLANET (humans are viruses), LEFTISTS, AS GOOD AS THEY GET.

      Same old commie murderers, different packaging, different slogan, different sales pitch (Siren call).

      What do they have to do to make you thick-headed conservatives realize that they are out to DESTROY YOU AND YOUR WAY OF LIFE?

      This is not business as usual or just another election cycle. This is the slow-motion dismantling of your country. Believe it, act on it, or watch it all fall down around you.

      Your mind is the prize. If they can keep you from seeing/realizing/accepting what they’re doing, and therefore prevent you from acting to defend yourself, THEY WIN! And they win without firing a shot, because you have helped them to victory.

      If you get stuck on denying that those people in power could actually be acting against you and your country, you are in it deep.

      They’ve done it before. They’re doing it

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  • wianno94
    Posted on June 30, 2012 at 12:59pm

    Spot o Tea: “This is why the rich elites love this health care bill so much…they know they wont pay for it and the result will be the elimination of the middle class.

    Does this mean that every middleclass/poor person should vote out the president and all the democrats that voted for this tax?

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  • hatchetjob
    Posted on June 30, 2012 at 12:57pm

    IF there finally is a financial collapse in the U.S., I suppose none of us will be forking over any taxes. I never thought I’d be hoping for a collapse.

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    • Gonzo
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 2:23pm

      I’m ready for it. Time to rebuild this country the way it was intended to be by the founders.

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    • girlnurse
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 3:17pm

      They can’t jail EVERYBODY!

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  • BurntHills
    Posted on June 30, 2012 at 12:57pm

    huge corrupted Chicago IL labor union our family and all of our friends were in, already sent out shiny brochures awhile ago saying that retirees should go on Medicare asap, because the retiree health insurance and pharmacy programs were going to be too costly for the union to continue to carry. 46 years of his life slaving for Chicago’s roadways and paying in [wages and dues] and his union is dumping Grampa. it’s beyond disgraceful. and exactly what obama wants. more older white Americans, mostly US combat veterans, to be killed off.

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    • EM2T93
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 1:21pm

      I’m sorry to hear this. Heartbreaking…prayers to all affected by this decision. Stories like this are one of the reasons I am committed to fighting back.

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    • LB
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 2:11pm

      I would like someone (news reporters, Romney’s people) investigate the Union Leaders salaries, pensions and golden benefit packages. Ponzi schemes. They are worse that any “wall street” exec.

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  • nzkiwi
    Posted on June 30, 2012 at 12:51pm

    No matter which way you cut it, if one spends, or is required to spend, more than one can afford, it will undoubtably end badly.

    This applies whether one is an individual, a family, a company, or a country.

    Why is this so hard for some people to see? It really is that simple, you know.

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    • Fubared
      Posted on July 1, 2012 at 10:00am

      Hence the simpletons moniker for most lefties; we have the mayor of simpleton in charge.

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  • seeker9
    Posted on June 30, 2012 at 12:51pm

    Aw, geeze. Did any one expect anything different? If so, they also believe it will reduce the deficit. It was all bait & switch and is about as true as Pelosi’s “for the people” line.

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  • michael48
    Posted on June 30, 2012 at 12:49pm

    that’s at the rate with what is known…who knows how much it will be when143 new agencies get done “making it up” as they go along thier “merry way”..um…um…um….this is just a sam…ocommie is going to get the ins. premium(tax) “gravy” and send the cost to medicaid…states are“ mandated” to pay all medicaid cost..forcing states to raise the living crap out of thier citizens taxes..and not just a little…BTW..still nothing, not one word ” about ambulance chasing EDWARDS types Medical law suits…imagine that…well we need more a–holes like that twit , don’t we????

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  • js1964
    Posted on June 30, 2012 at 12:45pm

    Today, Excellus, our insurance company sent me a letter saying in Dec my policy will increase by 14%. Our coverage is bad, only covers Er or hospital care. Where is that free health care? Sucks to be middle class in America.

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  • wianno94
    Posted on June 30, 2012 at 12:45pm

    The Supreme Court ruled that the mandate was ONLY constitutional as a tax. There is no other democrat funny name for it. IT’S A TAX.. A tax that will be levied against you by the IRS. It will be levied against those people who have an income above 133% of the poverty level but still can‘t afford or don’t want health insurance. In 2016, that will amount to not less than $695 per person.

    It is not a fine, it is not a penalty, it is not a contribution (Steny Hoyer). The IRS DOES NOT levy fines or penalties….UNTIL YOU DON”T PAY A TAX THAT IS OWED. From now to November 6, the President and every Democrat need to be riminded that they passed this TAX.

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    • hatchetjob
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 1:01pm

      This is the skin that Oblamo says we all need to put in the game, unfortunately.

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  • lukerw
    Posted on June 30, 2012 at 12:41pm

    I know of an Example… a 73 year old Womon, with 1,500 monthly in SS & Penson… whose Medical Supplement Insurance has gone from 132 a month, to 239 a month, due to the ObamaCare requirements that fall upon the Insurance Company.

    This is Killing the Poor… Businesses… and the Insurance Industry.

    Obama desires that you Give him ALL YOUR MONEY… and he will decide how to Spend it for You…. so from the Pool of Wealth, he will Fix all the problems that he Created!

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  • SPOT_OF_TEA
    Posted on June 30, 2012 at 12:38pm

    This is why the rich elites love this health care bill so much…they know they wont pay for it and the result will be the elimination of the middle class…their fantasy of the masses living in equal poverty as the government leaders and their friends continue to live their large lives is about to come true unless this can be stopped somehow.

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    • WEBWITHDEB
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 1:46pm

      I believe it was Megyn Kelly’s show yesterday where she had two doctors giving their opinions about all of this, and the middle-Eastern doctor (who was in favor of ACA) flat out stated that this would create a class system of healthcare with those that can afford it receiving the best care their money can buy, while everyone else is just going to have to settle for whatever the government decides is their standard of care.

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  • JEANNIEMAC
    Posted on June 30, 2012 at 12:37pm

    ADVICE FROM JUDGE ROBERTS:
    Believe it or not, Justice Roberts also gives us this directive in the healthcare ruling. He plainly tells the people of this nation, get off your backsides, stop complaining, accept the consequences of your decisions and do something about it!

    “Members of this Court are vested with the authority to interpret the law; we possess neither the expertise nor the prerogative to make policy judgments. Those decisions are entrusted to our Nation’s elected leaders, who can be thrown out of office if the people disagree with them. It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.” (emphasis added,) -Justice Roberts.

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    • SPOT_OF_TEA
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 12:50pm

      Justice Roberts is the only one on the court who thnks its a tax…..The 4 conservatives said it wasnt a tax so the bill is unconstitutional and the 4 leftists says its not a tax but falls under the commerce clause so it should be constitutional…Roberts says it is a tax therefore making it constitutional….so 1 justice says its a tax the other 8 say it isnt a tax…….the taxes have it…..really?

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    • NewsStud
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 2:02pm

      @Spot – You’re partly right. Scalia, et. al. Didn‘t believe it was a tax only because the Obama Administration insisted it wasn’t a tax. They believe that since the Administration didn’t call it a tax, they’re not obligated to think of it as such.

      BUT there is a belief espoused by the Federalist Papers that federal legislation has a presumption of constitutionality – meaning it is up to the person or party who believes it to be unconstitutional to prove it such. The burden is not on the feds. This is akin to proving guilt beyond reasonable doubt in the criminal courts.

      This implies that it is the court’s duty to exhaustively search any means of constitutionality before giving up. And that’s what the Chief Justice did. He found a way for this act of Congress to be constitutional, and by doing so, told the President that he can’t have his cake and eat it.

      He must now own this half billion dollar tax increase. He must also own the results of this act, which will eventually leave those of less economic means with less money in the their pockets and still health care coverage.

      You see, without the ability to press the states to expand their Medicaid programs, the scores of lower-income people who were promised “free” health care will no not get it (at least not in 26 states) and yet, for not having health care they will now be forced to pay the tax. There are the people who can least afford to pay it.

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  • NHwinter
    Posted on June 30, 2012 at 12:37pm

    Is Fox a Liberal network now?

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  • cassandra
    Posted on June 30, 2012 at 12:35pm

    is it a tax ? a fine ? or will you end up in work camps ? for all the government owned businesses or re-education camps what is ? sounds all the same, an assult on the Americans freedom

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  • lamarlamar
    Posted on June 30, 2012 at 12:33pm

    A king makes up the rules as he goes along.

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  • godlovinmom
    Posted on June 30, 2012 at 12:31pm

    That would be my household…nice…just what we need another bill, tax or whatever you want to call it…I call it unfair…personally sick of watching my hubby work overtime to pay for all the deadbeats.

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    • sunnyday9885
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 1:04pm

      Godlovinmom -

      You would pay $0 (Zero). Only the deadbeats would pay this tax/fine.

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    • WEBWITHDEB
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 1:53pm

      How are the “deadbeats” going to be paying for any of this? Get a clue, buddy. All the illegal immigrants who now (and in my estimation, have really put the brunt of the health care crisis into motion from decades of doing this) go to the ER for their health care and are being paid in cash OR being allowed to go onto welfare (including medical care), WILL STILL NOT BE PAYING ONE THIN DIME toward this.

      I honestly believe that there are far too many people who support Obamacare because they really do think that it WILL fix stupid.

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    • My Two Cents
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 4:48pm

      SUNNYDAY9885: I hate to break it to you but the deadbeats in our country have never paid and they never will.

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    • Wakefield
      Posted on June 30, 2012 at 5:13pm

      Deadbeats are not going to be much affected by any of this one way or another. That situation, contrary to popular thinking and while the alleged emphasis of the bill, is NOT going to change. That’s just the rules hospitals must follow–they MUST take the hit, or pass it off to charity. But they do NOT generally pass the deadbeat bills off to private health ins. firms, nor even Medicare or Medicaid for that matter, even though the idiotic rules of what is an boneheaded, unfunded mandate passed by Congress in 1986, called the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act, or EMTALA.

      But there actually is no reimbursement from either you or private health insurance groups nor even taxpayers generally speaking. It’s just a gutpunch to the stomach that most hospitals are required to take for ER treatments for illegals and the poor.

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