‘You Fu** With Me!’: Cop Threatens to Kill Concealed Carry Gun Owner During Traffic Stop
- Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:05pm by
Jonathon M. Seidl
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A police officer’s dash cam in Canton, OH caught a disturbing exchange last month between a cop and a driver during a traffic stop. In it, the cop can be heard (and seen) berating a man for not telling the officer immediately that he had a concealed carry permit and thus a concealed weapon, even saying at one point he should have killed the gun owner. But there’s just one problem: the man tried several times but the officer cut him off.
That is a problem. In Ohio (as in many states), the law requires concealed carry gun owners to immediately inform law enforcement if they have a weapon when they are pulled over. So when the man, named William, was not allowed to do so immediately, and the cop eventually found out, that created an issue.
“I could blast you in the mouth right now!” the officer says in the video after finding out about the man’s gun. “I’m so close to caving in your Godda**ed head,” he adds. “You fu** with me! You’re just a stupid human being!”
He continues: “Fu**ing talking to me with a Godd***ed gun! You want me to pull mine and stick it to your head? … I tell you what I should have done. As soon as I saw your gun I should have taken two steps back, pulled my Glock 40 and put ten bullets in your ass and let you drop.”
“And I wouldn’t have lost any sleep!” he screams.
The officer can also be heard threatening to “put lumps” on a woman also involved in the traffic stop.
William, luckily, didn’t get his mouth blasted or his head caved in. But now, he is being charged with failure to notify — even though he tried.
Ohioans For Concealed Carry (OFCC) obtained the video and explains what happened on June 8, 2011:
Early that Wednesday morning, William pulled his car to the side of the road to let out two passengers, but only the female occupant managed to exit before the police pulled up and began screaming at all three parties. “Stay in that car, I’m not going to mess around,” screamed one of the officers at the two people attempting to exit the vehicle. The driver and concealed handgun licensee, William, remained seated in his vehicle when an officer entered the rear of the vehicle.
William stated, “I have a concealed carry, and…” when he was abruptly told to shut up. Dash camera video footage shows the driver turning his head, and his voice can be heard, but the words are inaudible. A few minutes passed while the officer continued to berate the two passengers. He proceeded to the driver’s side and tries to open the door but is delayed by a seat belt. William states “I have a conceal…” and the officer demands that he better tell the truth or else! This interruption causes William to “tell the truth” and his attempt to notify is interrupted. William exited the vehicle with his driver’s license in the same hand as his concealed handgun license. He held it up for the officer to see, and the officer said, “Why are you having that?” This gave William the opportunity to say, “I have a CCW, and…” The officer then said, “Do you have a gun?” William answered yes, causing the officer to grab it from William’s waist.
At this point, William was handcuffed and put into the police cruiser. The officer then started to berate William, stating: “I [could] blast you in the mouth right now … I’m close to caving in your head.“ and ”you’re just a stupid human being!”
You can watch the events unfold below, and OFCC gives a play-by-play with some included text. WARNING, though, it does contain some graphic language:
OFCC says the local police are investigating the issue and the officer’s conduct.
Police officers do have the right to take their own security seriously. But as Ed Morrissey over at Hot Air explains, this seems different:
In this case, though, a fair viewing of the videotape shows that the driver did attempt to notify the officers on more than one occasion before stepping out of the car, and tried to do so when the officer approached his window several minutes into the stop. He may not have done it very well, but it certainly doesn’t appear that the driver intended to keep the information from the police. The officer told him repeatedly to keep his mouth shut while they checked out the other two people involved in the stop. Threatening death and/or a beating to a man who tried repeatedly and finally succeeded in fulfilling his legal obligation to inform them is irrational and should be illegal.
OFCC is now trying to raise funds for Williams defense.
What do you think?
UPDATE:
On the blog Wednesday, Meredith posted a video of an officer calmly and respectively checking and interacting with a gentleman who was legally and openly carrying an unloaded firearm in California. It’s worth noting how that officer handled his situation:
Although they are different — one man was carrying concealed and the other carrying openly — the juxtaposition of the officers’ reactions are interesting.
Read Meredith’s thoughts on it here.
UPDATE II:
The identity and history of the officer involved has been revealed. Read about it in our follow-up report.
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Comments (1229)
WitegaSchadde
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:23pmIf the video shows the driver trying to tell the officer that he has a CCW, then the officer should be fired for unprofessional conduct. If the driver did not then he should be charged. Either way I think the officer overreacted when he started with the “blast you in the mouth,“ and ”pull mine and stick it to your head,” I am sure that some lawdogs will now attack me and tell me how stressful the job is. First, I have the utmost respect for law enforcement officers, when they act professionally. When they act like this, thats another thing. I dont think that the “I’ll blow your brains out,” attitude is the right character for the job. When I have been pulled over by law enforcement, I have had nothing but good experiences, even when they give me a ticket. And yes I carry.
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:34pmThe officer in question told the female passenger to leave and not come back or he would quote(put lumps on her skull) even before threaten the driver (who was nothing but cooperative)this guy is a serial killer waiting to happen. He‘s not officer of the law and shouldn’t be one. He’s a text book gastepo wannabe……
Report Post »chfields62
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:36pmVideo doesn’t lie, the cop was in the wrong and should not only be fired but also arrested for threating bodily harm. This is unacceptable, but they will cover this up and nothing will happen to this moron…..
Jediusetheforce
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:44pmYou have to tell the police officer immediately…Period..He shouldn’t have to ask…Look how they do it in Alaska.
Sincerely, Do Your Homework
Report Post »silentwatcher
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:46pmAs I’m retired law enforcement, seeing the ILLEGAL actions of that police officer makes me shake my head in disgust. The officer was so far out of line that he SHOULD be tried for making terroristic threats-seriously. He literally broke the law. Cop built and escalated the problem. If the citizen had defended himself at that point,,,he would have been vindicated (I don’t support that anyone should do that, however)
Stefbulldog
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:48pmRight on…this officer definitely has some anger problems along with little man syndrome he should be disciplined. I am an Ohioan and I carry.
Report Post »BlazinBlue
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:54pmThe Police always tell us how stressful there job is when in fact its NOT, try serving 2 tours with ppl trying to kill you everyday! Then they can talk about stress!
Report Post »Mil-Dot
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:58pmPlease with the “must notify them immediately crap”. The cop is a NAZI goon. It is a fact people, A FACT that Americans that have jumped through all the hoops to get a CCW are the most law abiding in the country. Period. This freak has a problem with people not licking his boot. They are instructed by their Chief to behave this way to anybody that dares to threaten the NAZI regime. We have NAZI cop regimes here where I live. They are so obvious. Good cops and CCW folks are on the same team. THis goon is a pro government, anything for a pension low life , the people be damned Stalinist. But, watch the low-lifes close ranks around this puke. Just watch.
Report Post »silentwatcher
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:01pmMake no mistake about it,,,,it IS a stressful job. But only when you have confrontations.
Report Post »BOUGHT YOUR SILO YET?
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:02pmNo, I agree with you. I believe it is a stressful job, but if you don’t have the mental capacity to handle it you should not be in this line of work. Unfortunately, after watching this my level of trust for law enforcement has lowered just a bit. First of all, it is not the officer’s job to be judge, jury, and executioner. I believe the guy did try and inform the officer that he had a permit to carry, but the officer was so set on calling the guy a liar and not believing him that it became the MOST important step in the process while he should have been securing the vehicle and driver. HE, not the driver, put his life in harm. The officer should be fired and should have to apologize to the driver.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:04pmI have personal experience with the lawyer who released this, as I live in Ohio and am on many CCW boards and have been following this long before it was posted on the Blaze. The video referenced exists, and shows what is described. The transcript is accurate. I was wondering how long it would be before the story was released to the general public.
There are still a few cops here who feel like God Almighty and despise the fact that we can conceal (and open) carry in this state. Most are more subtle than this jerk.
The cop needs not only fired (or better, forced to resign so the police union can’t get him his job back), but to have charges pressed against him and have his ability to carry a deadly weapon revoked permanently. He is mentally unstable and unfit to roam civilized society in his current condition. His partner who allowed this to happen also needs fired (or forced to resign).
There is no room in America for rogue cops and their contemptuous disdain for law abiding citizens peacefully exercising their God given rights. These cops need an example made out of them in no unclear way, in the harshest of “maximum penalty under law” possible.
Report Post »fdmike
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:05pmso the officer should be fired because he spoke over the driver and did not allow him to mention his ccw?Boy, with bar set that high I doubt this country would ever be able to retain a single officer. They are humans too…I‘m sure you’ve snapped more than once in your lifetime, and if you say otherwise you are most certainly a liar.
Report Post »GodsPunisher
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:05pmThis Cop thinks we are in Germany in 1930! He needs a boot put up his ass!
Report Post »He needs to fired!!!!!!
GhostOfJefferson
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:06pmBy the way, this is a problem with the “Notification” laws in Ohio. Corrupt cops do this kind of thing, although a bit less severely, in order to nail CCW carriers. CCW carriers are, as a group, far more law abiding and upstanding than even most cops, for the record. We strongly need to do away with the crap “Notification” law and have it replaced by “Notification if requested” as many other states have. Cops have abused this too long.
Report Post »silentwatcher
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:06pmI disagree with the Nazi accusations. I do believe, however, that many police agencies are seriously forgetting their communication skills when dealing with the public. I have observed on NUMEROUS occasions where the police act as tho every citizen is a potential enemy. I disagree with that outlook. I’ve only been retired for a few years, but I didn’t treat the communities as trash.
Report Post »Attention2Detail
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:07pmThis cop should not just be fired. He should be charged with assault and making terroristic threats. See how that arrogant bastard does in jail.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:08pm@Jedi
Apparently you didn’t pay attention. The guy was trying his best to notify, he was being shouted down by the cop. Get it?
Report Post »Thomas
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:08pmSounds to me like that officer is the one you have to worry about having a gun.
Report Post »silentwatcher
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:12pmto FDMIKE
Report Post »no, he should not be fired for speaking over the citizen,,,,he should be prosecuted for threatening to kill him.
boltfan63
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:13pmI’ve been in law enforcement most of my adult life(I’m 48) and can tell you this officer was not only unprofessional but showed a real dangerous side. He should be fired immediately and the departments legal team might want to figure out a way to defend a lawsuit against the police department. Even had he not on numerous occasions tried to inform of the gun the officer was unprofessional and threatening to the woman and the man with the gun. He obviously can‘t handle the stress of the job and shouldn’t be allowed to carry a gun himself.
Report Post »Bloody Sam
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:13pmThis cop frakked up plain and simple.
The first words to the driver should have been “License and Registration please” not “open up that door”.
He had an attitude on from the moment he got out of the vehicle and engaged the female.
An officer needs to have his head in the game for EVERY traffic stop and needs to follow proper procedures to ensure their safety as well as ours.
Add to this his conduct after the fact….he needs to be reprimanded, suspended and then sent back for some proper training on how to handle a traffic stop.
Report Post »Just the fact that he turned his back on TWO people who were not restrained or being tended to by backup shows he is a statistic waiting to happen.
neilacardwell
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:15pmIts a good thing this dident happen in Texas. CCW in Texas has the legal right to pull his weapon on a peace officer if the officer is using uncessary force against you.
Report Post »I dont recomend nor would I ever do that but it is so clear the CCW was on the right side of the argument here.
carbonated
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:15pmYep. Cop should be fired AND charged with assault with a deadly weapon. He’s armed and is threatening to shoot an individual without cause. Also, perhaps the victim could raise $ for a civil case against this bully.
Report Post »Zer0
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:17pmEveryone stop reading this article right now, this instant! You are not living in a police state, you are not constantly under surveillance, and the Constitution is not irrelevant!!! Move along now.
Report Post »Cotswolds
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:20pmAmazing. We have the same unconstitutional “must notify” law in Louisiana. This cop needs to be put in jail for his own protection, not to mention his unlawful behavior. He’s going to end up pulling this crap with the wrong person one day. He’ll either end up dead or committing murder himself.
Report Post »BlazingPatriot
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:23pmSeveral years ago, my son was pulled over for a minor traffic incident. He immediately told the officer that he was carrying a concealed weapon and that he had a permit on him that allowed him to. The inexperienced police officer stepped back, took his gun out and pointed it at him for no reason at all. He had not even checked my son’s driving record which was good. The very fact that my son had a gun on him, for some strange reason caused this rookie cop to fear for his life. I chalk it up to poor training and/or incompetence.
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:23pm@GHOST
Report Post »Thank you for being on CCW boards and helping pass CCW laws in OH. It was one of my State Reps, Danny Bubp, that sponsored the two newest CCW laws.
Czar Casm
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:26pmBottom line, that officer does not have the character for that job.
Report Post »cemerius
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:28pmGood bye officer welcome to the unemployment line and if you are no longer paying your union dues they don’t give a “F” about you either! Seems to me the Police officers are cicrling the wagons and are trying to put blame on the CCW citizen! What was the “probable cause” to this event? Why did the plice make this “stop”? Many unknowns but the officers “drill instructor” attitude is UNACCEPTABLE!!!
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:28pm@Anonymous
Quite welcome. :) I assume you’re on a few yourself then? I’m on BFA and OFCC, fwiw, same handle.
Report Post »BlazingPatriot
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:34pmThis case needs your help. Please contribute to the Legal Defense Fund so that we can help William’s attorney represent him against failure to inform charges with Canton Municiple Courts.
Contribute To The Legal Defense Fund.
Report Post »http://www.ohioccw.org/201107214955/cantonpd.html
rockstone
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:37pm@fdmike
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:05pm
“so the officer should be fired because he spoke over the driver and did not allow him to mention his ccw?Boy, with bar set that high I doubt this country would ever be able to retain a single officer. They are humans too…I‘m sure you’ve snapped more than once in your lifetime, and if you say otherwise you are most certainly a liar.”
So… was that the logic your uncle used to get you on the force?
What time are you due back at the union hall?
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Libertarian
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:38pmThe officer should be fired for the way he talked to an innocent man. Let due process decide whether or not he was guilty of a crime.
That officer is the epitome of why people like myself have begun not to support our officers, that and nanny state regulations being propagated by police.
In Washington State we have officers using night vision to pull over people not wearing their seat belts.
Report Post »Joey8
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:40pmWhere do they teach officers to search the backseat while the driver is still in the front? If they had a reason to search, shouldn’t they have first apprehended the occupants and made sure they had nothing that could hurt them, then search the car. That’s the first thing you always see in the police dash cam videos: Officer approaches car ready to draw if they need to, have occupant step out of the car and ask them “do you have any weapons or anything that can hurt or poke me?”. Looks like lazy cops that realized their mistakes a little too late and took it out on the occupants.
Report Post »BuckOfama
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:41pmThat cop acts like somebody farted in his wife’s face……….
Report Post »old white guy
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:42pmi’m thinkin that that is the kind of cop who just might get capped.
Report Post »Carl1 Supports Israel
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:44pmThat cop needs to be fired……. End of story!!!!!!!
Report Post »Dustoff
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 3:01pmWhat a stupid cop. Thanks bud, you just wrecked it for all the good officers out there.
Report Post »Carl1 Supports Israel
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 3:06pmCantons facebook page… Let them know how you feel. https://www.facebook.com/notes/canton-police-department-ohio/dash-cam-video/207621069290829
Report Post »Toucan
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 3:12pm“Unprofessional conduct”??? It is beyond that… When law enforcement throw around threats of bodily harm like little kids blow bubbles at the park, there are some serious issues that need to be addressed… This cop needs to be removed from his job and prosecuted to the fullest… A badge is not a license to do what he did… Plus, there are so many “good” cops out there that they don’t need there reputation/identity scarred as such…
Report Post »Huguenot Descendant
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 3:14pmScary indeed. If every officer in America was like this it would be considered without a doubt a police state. Watching this video is very scary, especially when the officer threatens the man in killing him as well as the female in beating her. This “Officer of the law” should have his badge taken away and also be put in jail.
Report Post »WhataBunchOfShi
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 3:22pmI AGREE he should be fired Immediately…He Didn’t EVEN ask anyone if they had a WEAPON…all Police are trained to ask as they approach.
Report Post »GBMBulletsSKNRD
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 3:27pmThe vast mijority of police officers are great people and do there job to the best of thier ability. That being said, this cop was way out of line in so many ways it is hard to count them. He is to hot headed first off. And he is the one that should not be carrying a gun.
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 3:29pm@GHOST
Report Post »Unfortunately, no. That’s why I am thanking you.
I support God's Israel!
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 3:35pmYou have got to read this liberals and moderates:
Report Post »http://www.ohio.com/editorial/vop/letters-to-the-editor-july-20-1.225782
I support God's Israel!
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 3:37pmI smell a lawsuit here……and rightly so.
Report Post »cessna152
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 3:44pmIf I had threatened the COP in the same way I would be tried and put in jail. I would be labeled “a crazy, dangerous gun toting nut case”. This is BS… it is on video, this COP should be tried as any other common citizen would be. The Constitution does not favor a “cop over a citizen”. The law is the law this idiot cop needs to be in jail.
Report Post »Marci
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 3:46pmThis cop has problems. Even if we get down to not informing him–which I think the guy attempted to do, this cop is out of control. Threatening the female, then threatening the driver over and over–up to and including that every time he sees him on the road in the future, he’s going to tow him and take him to jail. What?? I understand FULLY where officers come from–but I too have been fortunate enough to most of the time have nothing but professionalism. I have only had one bad experience recently—and it wasn’t me that was pulled over. I was in my sister-in-law’s vehicle, she didn’t pay attention to the speed limit sign and was going 8 mph over. When the cop pulled over, he was almost as crazy as this one. My 2 year old niece was in the back and sobbing uncontrollably because this strange man was yelling so loudly at her mommy. His exact words…..”What the HELL are you doing driving this fast through MY roads?” My sister in law is cooperative, and says she didn’t realize she was going that fast, apologizes. He continues “What were you THINKING???? Do you know if you were going just 3 more miles more over the speed limit, I could take you to jail and there’s not a damn thing you could do about it? You’d have a FELONY on your record!” He did this for a straight ten minutes and every thing he said he yelled and he put his head IN the window and got in her face several times. He was rather young and I think he had some “rookie + cockiness” issues. It didn’t ma
Report Post »Havok
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 3:49pmPost on the police dept’s facebook page:
I want to assure our citizens that the behavior, as demonstrated in this video, is wholly unacceptable and in complete contradiction to the professional standards we demand of our officers. As such, appropriate steps were placed in motion as dictated by our standards, policies and contractual obligations. Those steps included: The officer immediately being relieved of all duty. The incident has been referred to the Internal Affairs Bureau for what will be a complete and thorough investigation. As bad as the video indicates our officer’s actions were, there is a due process procedure to follow. That process is designed in the best interest of both our employees and the citizens at large. That process will be followed in this case as in all others. Anyone shown to be in violation of our rules and regulations will be help appropriately responsible as dictated by all the facts. ~Chief Dean McKimm
Report Post »avenger
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 3:57pmthis is not a cop,this is a pig !wtf is wrong with this guy,a badge is not a license to abuse citizens !
Report Post »sandrunner
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 4:05pmthe officer sounds more like a vigilante and a officer of the law.
Report Post »better stay out of Ohio…or be verbally abused. lol
Polwatcher
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 4:09pmMost officers are on top of their game and think before they speak or act. They maintain a professional composure at all times. If they are not thinking they are a danger to themselves and others. This officer is clearly not thinking or listening. He appears to be right on the edge of making a big mistake. The officer appears to be over his head in his job or in some kind of upset emotional state. I wonder if the driver kept his hands on the steering wheel until the officer talked to him but I did not hear the officer tell him to do so or make an issue of that. The officer needs to be fired.
Report Post »JayCee
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 4:20pmAnother psychotic hothead that has no business ever carrying a badge and should never be allowed to posess a gun as a private citizen. Thankfully more and more of these storm trooper menaces to public safety are being caught on tape.
Report Post »pgjw56
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 4:25pmThere are NO good encounters with law enforcement. The police are NOT our friends, they have a job to do, but most are really not smart enough to pull it off with out a screw up. It waould appear to me that the 4th ammendment is on break in Ohio. The real threat in this case is, you guessed it, the police. Same thing in every state.
Report Post »Ronko
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 4:27pmThe officer should lose his job, you don’t disrespect people by yelling like that. No wonder people call policemen “Pigs”. Also it‘s called common sense and profiling which would’ve told you that this person wasn’t a threat. Sure he‘s a bad apple but it’s unacceptable.
Report Post »HKS
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 4:42pmWell, let’s see, we got cops doing this crap here, we got other cops busting kids with lemon aid stands. Hum, I conclude we got to many cops. They don’t have anything else to do, their covering their butts to look important. They certainly don’t stop crime, only investigate it after the fact.
Report Post »Bermuda Onion
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 4:42pmI think this officer is on steroids. Roid rage is what I witnessed.
Report Post »AYFKM
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 4:48pmMaybe the law should be that the Officer must ask if the suspect has a conceal-carry permit?
Report Post »Seamus236
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 4:48pmHaving spent a number of years in law enforcement on the streets, it doesn’t appear to me,that this driver “failed the attitude test”. Although I do believe the officer did in fact do just that. This video should go viral and show normal people just how much of a first class punk this officer is being.I would be embarrassed to have this officer for a beat partner or in my agency. There is ZERO need to blatantly over react in this manner with a licensed concealed carry member of the public. They are on OUR side, dumb ass! Sounds like this officer was playing, “Now,I’ve got YOU,you SOB!” to retaliate for a previous bad experience, spat with the wife/girlfriend/boyfriend/Sgt. There is simply no excuse for this kind of reaction. He needs some days off with no pay. Hope this comes back to haunt him later on, methinks it will.
Report Post »ME
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 4:49pmThis cop should not just be fired but in jail period. Public Servant my aaaaaasssssssss
So do you think this steroid monkey with a badge would have a problem running a gas chamber? The thin blue line will soon be a iron curtain and you defenders of these idiots will be wonder why and where it went wrong. Tax collectors with arms have a long history of abusing power its just a matter of time.
Report Post »dmforman
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 4:50pmThis is why I don’t like unions for police officers. This officer is in the wrong and going way over board. I am no officer and am only a school teacher and stay at home mom, but the cop should have talked to the driver first. He put his own life in danger. He is the one that is stupid and doesn’t deserve to walk on the earth. The BS, is that we have too many cops like this guy and when things get bad, they will over react and bash people in.
Report Post »Dont-hate-on-me-2
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 4:50pmHope i dont offend too many on hear our any officers. I have lost all faith in the duties you perform. I have sad this prior just restating it. You abuse just about every power we intrust to you and you all need to be brought to the ground with the rest of the world.You are no better quailfyed than most Americans to do policing, howver you see fit to time after time to show your true colors. Your quest for power ans to hold power over others who may or may not be wrong of anything. I have seen first hand how abusive you are, i have seen my brother save the life of others just to be harrased ans arrested after the fact for disarming a machette from a the suspect trying to attack children at a park( Saving lives in the process) And when the police showed up you damn near shoot him batterd him while he was on the phone with your dispatcher and once he was uncon and dripping blood you toss him over and cuff him while we are screaming the suspect is running away over there. Now that is just my accounat of events all the while trying to also keep his four children and my two from seeing this brutality. Cops are nothing more than the City of your choices hit squad. Remeber what they did to that marine a few months ago, and the list goes on. The police are no more quailfyed to carry than we are. Sorry for the emo. And thank you police for trampling all over our rights, one day its coming back to you.Judgement day
Report Post »WTH
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 4:54pmI think this hot head was too interested in being a hard ass than following procedure and clearing the car and occupants before he stuck his head in there. I hope this guy sues and wins and the officer is used as an example in a training video. His emotions took over his rational thought and that is definietly something you don’t want in an officer. He’ll make a great security guard somewhere.
Report Post »Snowleopard {gallery of cat folks}
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 4:54pmThis officer should not only be fired immediatly, as the video is very clear on the matter the fact is he also started threatening bodily harm to the man and a lady there as well; this opens the door for a legal prosecution as well — and it would stick, for here there is a clear and cut case of the officer has crossed the line between precautions and downright culpability and recklessness.
Report Post »richard the lion-hearted
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 4:58pmThis “officer” is a prime example of the screening process in hiring police, they want brain-numb, power-tripping, obey any order without question pinheads and the exception is the level-headed courteous, help-first types. These ‘profiles’ that end up as police officers predominately are loosely-wrapped criminals waiting to happen under the banner of ‘peace officer’. Think about it, those who say, “I’m just doing my job” are in effect mentally incapable or unwilling to use their God given talent of rational response based on the info before them, that whole accessing, processing and determining factor of the human experience that makes us unique and above the animals. Simple common sense, deductive reasoning (Don’t know what that is? Read some Sherlock Holmes novels), and APPROPRIATE response with consideration, is this too much to ask in a Representitive Republic?! Or is the Constitution just an anoyance to these ‘Hitler youth’. Oh my gosh, I used Hitler in a sentence, hope I don’t get sued by some idiot from the A.C.L.U. or some progressive, self-loathing jewish organization.
Report Post »5plus2
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 5:03pmWilliam had plenty of time to tell about knowing the girl, this, that & every other excuse. The Cop was in the right. The dope could have gotten shot! Or the Cop could have gotten shot. He had every excuse under the sun, but he couldn’t say “I have a gun”? The Cop got angry only after they had been trying to get a straight story out of all of them for a long time. “Put lumps on ya” is such a horrible thing for him to say when they are out at night and have no idea what these people are doing? Oh yeah, they were just “hangin’ out”; at what time of night? You have no better life to be taking care of? And the Cop is not supposed to be angry that some bozo could be setting him up for being shot? Nope, not in this case. The Cop was right, and in my opinion, reserved, considering the consequences that could have occurred due to not declaring the gun. It‘s real easy to judge the Cop when you’re not the one out there at night having to deal with all sorts of people that should be sleeping or working a job. The Cop didn’t threaten “death” on anyone …. go to Jersey and friends talk to each other that way! William didn’t get beaten. The woman wasn’t chased w/ a bully-club … don’t be a cry baby, Ed Morrissey … More than 15 minutes go by and in all William‘s talking he doesn’t say anything? He was reckless and deserved to be yelled at … he’s a man with a gun, not a 10 year old boy … “I’ve never done this before” …. sure, and elephants fly .
Report Post »Patriot Rider
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 5:14pmGot to agree with you. Sounds like another police officer on a power trip. He should at least be suspended without pay and forced to take anger management courses and have his **** kicked to tone down his over inflated ego.
Report Post »Live_Free_orDie
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 5:29pmuhh Fire him!!!!
Report Post »proliance
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 5:32pmThat cop needs a drug test. Then he needs to be fired, arrested and charged with making terrorist threats, thrown in prison with the general population for 10 years. Somewhere in the middle of this, he needs to sued and have everything he owns taken away from him.
Report Post »the hawk
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 5:32pmHe’s a punk ass cop, fire this punk put him in jail ! where he belongs he threatened him !
Report Post »I would be satisfied if he’d of shot this punk, at least it all would been on cramera!
Yeah I said it, he’s a punk with a badge, think this is the first time he was out of controll,
It’s like that drunk driver thing, it’s always the first time when you get caught!
You’d think police would get rid of these kind of people, he’s probably on steroids looks like roid-rage
to me! He’s dangerous and he wants his victims to know it fear him big bad punk !
Remember yesterday evertone wanted to shoot the protesrers for protesting punk cops, granted most just wanted to shoot crazy libs!
Man Am I glad the police in MY town are’nt like this these iner-city cops are sick with Rage And damn it beter not mess with their Unions and pensions!
the hawk
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 5:37pmREAD SILENTWATSHER’s Post !
Report Post »Thank you for your service! Sorry there‘s guy’s like this to stain your profession !
Tockit
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 5:49pmThis police officer definitely has anger management issues and should be removed from the force. You can hear the gentleman say to the officer, when he approaches him “I have a …..”. The officer cuts him off and immediately starts yelling at him and calling him a liar. How do you talk to someone who is in your face from the jump??? Unprofessional in so many ways. When the officer tells the gentleman to step out of the car, the gentleman is holding his CCP in his hand. I’d also like to know why the officer took the man out of camera view to frisk him while his partner remained??? I‘m just glad I don’t live in that town with tools like that for police officers! Totally unacceptable behavior by the officer! Fire him today !!!!
Report Post »1proudAmerican
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 5:54pmThat cop gives all cops a bad name which makes it hard to trust them. I’ve lost a lot of respect for the police after witnessing behavior like this both on video and in person. Power hungry.
Report Post »They SMEAR what they FEAR
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 6:14pmI find his conduct so reviling and abusive I emailed the Mayor of Cantor about this…you should too. Bombard the Mayors office and get this J@ck@ss out of uniform. He’s not fit for duty.
Report Post »SLARTIBARTFAST
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 6:24pmI just donated 10 bucks. Everybody give what you can. This is a travesty, and that cop is the very one who gives cops a bad name. Williams was arrested because the cop realized his mistake and didn’t have the cajones to admit his mistake.
Report Post »EyeofthePatriot
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 6:26pm@WITE
Are you flaming kidding me? That’s all you have to say of this situation? That damn officer over and over threatened the life of this guy who was NOTHING BUT COOPERATIVE. You sir need to stand up a little more.
Thank you.
Report Post »Jezcruzen
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 6:34pmPolice are out of control in this country. I wouldn’t be surprised to fine that this thug is taking steroids. Never, never, never should any police officer berate, curse, or threaten a citizen with bodily harm or even death. Pull his forty? Well, he can stick his forty up his rear. If I were his chief, once I say that dash cam this animal would be fired on the spot.
Report Post »Here’s a news flash for any cops on here. There are a lot more of us than there is of YOU. Once you loose the support of the public that you are systematically abusing, you are dead meat. We will turn our backs on you, and we probably already should have. YOU WORK FOR US! Get over yourself.
GUT_CHECK
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 6:56pmDARN RIGHT… i’m sending $20. how can we let this guy lose this case.
besides, he’s unemployed, and now he’s gotta get his car out of impound.
c’mon everyone, put a few bucks out for this case.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 7:08pmJust keep on defending Cops Beck. Glenn, you haven’t been around the block enough times. They really are mostly bad.
Report Post »Eliasim
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 7:13pmDo you believe for a second that police do not like the police state they work in? They love it.
Report Post »Wayner
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 7:18pmWow!!! That SOB is more dangerous than Barney Fife!!!
Report Post »Chief_Cabioch
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 7:21pmWhat if the Driver cannot Speak ?what if he is mute ?, why cant the Persons drivers license show CCW on it ?, so the Police see whether they have a CCW? what is so hard to figure out, and why would an office assume something sinnister about someone with a CCW anyway? …..he should feel safer……unless of course his politics side with the LEFT…..then he’s afraid of EVERYONE….expecially a Conservative with a Right to carry permit…..wonder how he would have reacted if the guy was Black….and had a CCW……..?
Report Post »ME
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 7:30pmGood cops are like good muslims, might be 90% of them are good but when they stand with there brothers and defend the 10% that are clearly bad, well what do you think of the muslims??? When Cops defend this you are just like the muslim that will not condone the terrorist and the negatives will added up and soon a change will take place. You will be the power of the Government or the people the time of being both is coming to an end.
Report Post »Patrick in AZ
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 7:32pmThis is a hothead who is so used to dealing with trash every day that he treats everyone as if they are trash. A$$***** like this make all cops look bad
Report Post »Viet Vet
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 7:48pmThis guy has absolutely no business in law enforcement, and should probably be in prison.
Report Post »Norm D. Plume
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 8:24pm@5PLUS2:
You do know that you can buy shoe polish at the store, right? That you don’t HAVE to lick it off a jack boot, in order to get your fix?
I wish they didn’t make that stuff with crack in it. It’s dangerous.
Report Post »techengineer11
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 8:48pmGhostOfJefferson:Twice today that I’ve found myself in strong agreement with you. Excellent points.
That 1st officer should never be allowed to carry a weapon ever again! At the very least he deserves to be relieved of his duties. The officer in the 2nd video makes me proud to be an American. Extremely professional!
Report Post »teamarcheson
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 9:23pmWe saw how the Cops sided with the Union Thugs in Madison, Wisconsin and helped create over $7.5 Million in vandalism to the State House. The American Cop has choose sides and is now aliened with the Criminal. In 1930s Germany, German police sided with the Nazi party and betrayed the law biding German people. Incidents like this one are going on all over America and these same Cops will be the cops who smash down our doors and drag us out of our homes and stuff us into Con Rail box cars headed to gas chambers.
This is not a drill…
Report Post »dr_funk
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 9:28pmIf this officer threatened me like that, and then pulled his weapon, he would not live to tell the tale.
Being an officer of the law doesn’t give you license to commit murder. Initiating lethal force in an otherwise calm scenario is not within the bounds of what an officer is allowed to do.
I will defend my life against any lethal threat, from an officer or otherwise. You can take that check to the bank and cash it.
Report Post »RabicanShiver
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 9:39pmIve been pulled over several times for various traffic violations, speeding, tail light out etc. Im always polite, respectful, and try to give the officers the benefit of the doubt in any situation. Twice I have been stopped and asked if I had any weapons in the car, and twice my answer has been yes. One one occasion it was 4 am and I was coming back from a 900 mile drive. I had a shotgun and handgun in the car, told the officer I had them and he said ok. Thats it. OK. End of story. The other time the officer asked me if they were loaded, I told him they were not, and he asked if I was sure, I said yes and he left it at that. Thats how you handle that situation. Not be threatening to shoot someone. Threatening to shoot someone and give the woman ‘lumps’ is probably going to have these individuals FEARING the police if they are ever stopped again. The cop in this video shouldnt be a cop, thats just a bad way to handle any situation. I mean, who the hell goes off saying he should have put 10 rounds in someone… even if the driver was in the wrong here (which I dont feel he was) its the wrong way to handle the situation. The guy shouldnt have a badge.
Report Post »tbconrad
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 9:55pmOne of my questions would be, How in the world did they search the vehicle without obtaining permission from the driver? There was no arrest at the point they were searching so search incident is out the window. Did they not ask him for permission before they searched? Did Ofc Mark talk to the driver off camera and get his permission before he conducted the search? If Ofc Mark did speak to the driver did the driver have an opportunity to tell him he was CC. Several things are not quite right here, I hope that the PD does an honest IAI. I can tell you one thing though. That primary officer would not make it in a real city where there is no “responsibility to notify”. If that little presentation made him almost go postal imagine what he would do if he was patting someone down search incident to arrest and found a gun. He needs to go on the Charlie Sheen hospital for anger management.
Report Post »dr_funk
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 10:02pmAll I can say is…at least this cop didn’t get all dressed up in new toys, kick in someone’s door, and load them up with 72 rounds…
Report Post »dr_funk
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 10:09pmIf a random citizen threatened me like that with a piece on his hip, I’d have more than ample reason to draw on him and back away. And if he so much as touched his gun, I’d empty his gourd.
Report Post »Pujols
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 10:47pmThis COP is a PIG. Only 1 out of 10,000 act like this Pri#k. Has anyone ever heard of a CCW person shooting a COP? This COP didn’t get laid and took it out on this man who said Yes Sir 50 times to Him. I would sue. Not for money but for this COP to cook hamburgers with Obama at McDonalds. They are both Jackasses.
Report Post »Pujols
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 10:49pmWhat’s the COPS name?
Report Post »Armed Patriot
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 10:57pmThse officers need to be fired for professional misconduct, threatening the life of an unarmed (anylonger) civilian, and threats of bodily harm. In the officers defense (which is indefensible) the driver should have said “officer… officer… officer”. He was speaking a lot of words before he said I have a ccw. The officer though, went way beyond what I call to serve and protect. Fire both of them.
Report Post »KA5CVH
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 11:36pmNot understanding how/why the passengers were out of the car does put the LEO at a disadvantage that he’ll try to compensate for but … he handled it all wrong IMHO. In TX you put your CHL right on top of your DL, registration and proof of insurance followed by putting your hands on the wheel and waiting for instructions.
Report Post »RathlokSlam
Posted on July 22, 2011 at 12:58amThis cop is pretty out of control,… he is gonna pull that **** on the wrong person one day and i would bet money it is a person without a concealed carry permit.. that is actually how bad things happen, officer. He needs to be OFF the job.
Report Post »emile black
Posted on July 22, 2011 at 2:05amI’d say this was a setup. William tried at least four times to tell the cop he had a CCW, then all of a sudden the cop lets him talk, and all hell breaks loose …. what a load. He even tells William he’s going to jail, and looking at a felony.
Report Post »I also think the cop was PO’d for being so stupid as to get in the back seat without so much as acknowledging William. And they’ve actually charged him? What a joke.
Both those “cops” need to be let go, with no chance of EVER wearing a badge again. It‘s losers like this that make the decent LEO’s look bad.
Parnell3rd
Posted on July 22, 2011 at 3:15amPolice Officers Union, he will not be fired.
Report Post »Shiroi Raion
Posted on July 22, 2011 at 4:56amBad cop.
Report Post »mikem1969
Posted on July 22, 2011 at 8:23amThs officer is drunk with power and needs to be fired. He gives good officers a bad name.
Report Post »Libertyluvnmomma
Posted on July 22, 2011 at 9:02amThis discourse is nice but it is not action. Call the Canton police department and tell them how you feel about the conduct of this police officer.
He was out of line, unprofessional and abhorrent. In order to respect law enforcement we have to establish what good conduct is. While I understand there are really dangerous situations that cops have to deal with, in the event of martial law, this behavior would be exacerbated.
Control and power are important to some.
http://www.cantonohio.gov/police/
Non-Emergency: 330-489-3100
If you don’t know who you need to speak with, please call the Office of the Mayor at (330) 489-3283 to reach the automated attendant.
William J. Healey ll is the mayor
Report Post »Enuff Zenuff
Posted on July 22, 2011 at 9:56am.
This video should become THE all-time police training video for other officers to watch.
The lesson to be learned is that when you’re talking too much, you’re not listening.
Another lesson is that sowing fear does not gain control – it destabilizes the situation.
This officer was lucky he wasn‘t dealing with an unstable perp because the officer was obviously distracted by something else that wasn’t happening in this arrest. He needed to stay focused on the situation in front of him but he showed up already pissed off.
The officer is lucky that no one died. I’m not gonna jump on the bandwagon of saying he should be fired, but clearly he was in the wrong here and needs mental help and anger management training.
He’s clearly confused. He thinks that intimidating others is the same thing as being in control. It clearly was not. He was operating out of fear, not out of being in control… and that confusion could have gotten someone killed including him.
Report Post »REPUBLIC1803
Posted on July 22, 2011 at 12:38pmI am a Police Officer and yes “The JOB” is very stressful, but the officer was very unprofessional. The officer on any scene is responsible for controlling that scene so it does not get out of hand as this did based on the video. I was not on the scene so I would not want to further judge a fellow officer. I respect your opinion and thank you for your support. I am a big supporter of conceal carry permits.
Report Post »GULFVETCELL13
Posted on July 22, 2011 at 12:40pm“Yes there is a problem. It seems I have too many bullets in this gun, officer”
Report Post »Bro Ken
Posted on July 22, 2011 at 1:21pmAnyone in a face-to-face encounter knows better than to escalate the situation. This guy attempted to announce his carry permit, the cop was on a tirade. To be heard the “perp” would have had to shout to the cop – thus escalating the situation. Then the report would have stated “the perp began shouting maniacally at me and I feared for my life…” He announced the best he could. Then he should have shut up and let the cop bury himself. I would have calmly pointed out (from that totally innocent position) that the cop’s attitude is what gets them shot – not “un-announced” CCW’s. ( In Michigan its a “CPL”. CCW is the charge for not having a permit.) I would hope this cop loses his job, he’s not stable enough to perform in a stressful job such as that. Criminal charges against him would be a wet dream.
Report Post »Hollywood
Posted on July 22, 2011 at 1:51pmThe cop obviously has some anger management issues. He should take a leave of absence,or take a long vacation,and then take some anger managment classes. Being a cop ain’t easy, so he should be cut a little slack,BUT NO reapeats of this type of behaviour!
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on July 22, 2011 at 3:16pmthe guy is lucky he wasn’t shot like that guy in BART train station
Report Post »MontyRay
Posted on July 22, 2011 at 5:12pmAccording to the video, the guy was charged with a misdemeanor. I’m betting they dismiss it. This is an embarrassment for law enforcement.
Report Post »Seddel Cougar
Posted on July 22, 2011 at 7:31pmThe officer gravely and horribly overreacted to the man. That man needed to stop him hawing around and just say it simply.
btw, your icon rocks!
Report Post »dnnyshdy
Posted on July 22, 2011 at 10:08pmThis guy is a *****.When he received his badge he’s just a bigger *****.He should lose his job and never be able to carry as a citizen.When he said he should‘ve took two steps back and shot him and he wouldn’t lose sleep,that should tell you what kind of idiot he is.
Report Post »mrnils
Posted on July 22, 2011 at 11:08pmThe Cops today are out of control. This Cop should be fired! period ! he is completely unprofessional ! And needs serious anger management. Not to mention i am tired of hearing the crap language. I pity his co workers, wife and kids. I know the departments are desperate as this clearly shows, but they have to screen out the wack jobs. Of course i have no idea what other job he would be qualified for with that anger, maybe Afghanistan. Otherwise society will begin to hate law enforcement and their job will be very difficult. Here as in many states they are targeting people to meet quotas and it is causing many people to be outraged. This only hurts the poor and middle class anyway. I can afford as many tickets as they can dish out, but it would ruin a low income household barely making it. Maybe its time for Robo Cop, no emotions to get in the way. I know the Cops are scared since Police shooting are up 50% across the country. They think more dollars, more equipment, more training will help. I beg to differ. Since God has been removed from schools and family, and the absence of teaching moral values, and the teaching of respect, we now have the final results. You reap what you sew. Every generation from here on will be more and more disrespectful and more and more violent. And all the money on earth will never make us safe. Only teaching God’s commandments word will save us from our kids. Never the Police or Government. Laugh now, mock me, you will see! more and more violenc
Report Post »Smoovious
Posted on July 22, 2011 at 11:50pmthat charge needs to be more than dismissed… it needs to be expunged…
I don’t know what occupation the victim in this is in, but to simply be charged, alone, could cost him a security clearance, employment status in his company, even could impair his ability to get a new job, all depending on his line of work of course.
This instance was thoroughly unfair, undeserved, and unearned… a dismissal isn’t enough…
expunge it. (plus, punitive damages, against the officer, personally)
– Smoov
Report Post »Deuteronomy22
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:52amso the officer should be fired because he spoke over the driver and did not allow him to mention his ccw?\
Report Post »No he should be fired for threatening to beat the female and “execute” the driver. He is mentally unstabe with huge uncontrolled anger issues. I sure as hell wouldn’t want to be pulled over by this jerk. THe police are civil servents. They need to treat honest and law abiding citizens with respect. Some are always angry and bullying others always remain calm and in control. This guy is on the edge and dangerous.
luckyfreeman69
Posted on July 28, 2011 at 4:43pmI couldn’t believe this when I saw it but something similar has happened to many law abiding firearms owners I know…The question I have is why didn’t the other police officer intervene and speak up to this psyco armed and dangerous public servant police officer..This police officer need to be tested for drugs and or booze .. He needs some serious help he is a walking time bomb and thank god I am not around this guy when he goes off…Didn’t he take the firearms saftey course…wow what a psyco…Hot headed lunitic…The other policeman just stood there and did nothing…They allow this type of verbal attack and threatening on a law abiding calm cool collective taxpayer…Wow did you hear the policeman threatening to murder in cold blood the calm cool colective taxpayer?? Then he threatened to charge the guy with all sorts of felonies and the other policeman just stood there with his own firearm and protect and serve the taxpaying public badge on..In my opinion the only person qualified here to keep his firearms liscense was the innocent civilian driver…yes sir, no sir, excuse me sir, Can I please speak Sir…???? 50 states consealed carry for the victim dirver for life….You know all those threats were felonious threats of cold blooded murder…Man they really roughed the law abiding taxpayer up HUH ? What kind of excuse allows this type of behavior when 2 armed officers of the law do this to anybody…
Report Post »Scott Archer
Posted on August 1, 2011 at 1:28pmWhat a boob (officer). They should have cleared the driver before they even entered the backseat of the car. If the driver wanted to use his weopon, the cop in the backseat is dead. What idiots.
Report Post »decendentof56
Posted on May 30, 2012 at 2:58amThis is what you have to look forward to if this Marxist president and his cronies submit the US to a UN weapons ban.
Report Post »This officer is out of control.
Do you think that if the UN weapons ban is enacted and you don’t voluntarily turn over your guns that this nut-job cop will act in a restrained manner when he comes to your door to collect your guns?
Obama and Hillary are traitors for even thinking about signing on to any UN agenda. We have a Constitution, and the UN does not trump it!
Havok
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:23pmFired. Immediately.
Report Post »War_Eagle
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:38pm,,,and then taken out into an alley and beaten.
Report Post »Mil-Dot
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:00pmHe will not only not be fired, he will gather in the locker room with his buddies and yuck it up about how he showed that POS who was boss. And, he and all of his buddies and the Chief will laugh and laugh and laugh. Then, the DA will come in and they will all laugh again.
Report Post »HUNITHUNIT
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:07pmProbably ex-military. One of the biggest mistakes in policing right now is mass hiring combat vets to work with US citizens…creates situations like this one.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:12pm@Mil_DOT
Those are the old rules. Now police departments are being *aggressively* sued by various local 2A groups, and losing in case after case. Better, they’re forced to pay the court fees of the 2A/victim’s under Ohio law. ORC 9.68 has been a savior for gun rights in Ohio. This clown and his department have already offered to settle and walk away as long as the guy doesn’t file charges. The lawyer and his client turned down the offer and, with the help of some 2A groups I belong to, are going to sue the living crap out of these bozos. And frankly, they’re going to win hands down, this evidence on the camera is damning to say the least. Buahahahahaha! :)
Report Post »HairRazor
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:12pmpoor angry ass hole cop.. capital A. he’ll loose more than his mind if he stays that hot headed. you need some therapy dude.
Report Post »Mil-Dot
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:19pm@hunithunit
Report Post »A commendable observation.
Mil-Dot
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:40pmDang Ghost,
Report Post »We may not agree on everything, but , you have your act together my friend. Carry on Soldier. My Bad.
GhostOfJefferson
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:55pmSlight edit: I *believe* that they’re going to sue. Need to make sure before I state things as absolute facts.
Report Post »stogieguy7
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 3:01pmThat behavior was INEXCUSABLE! I am almost always a big supporter of the police. But once in a while, you come across these power-drunk little jerks who take pleasure in roughing people up and showing everyone around who’s boss. This little creep in uniform was probably bullied mercilessly in junior high and now wants to take revenge on the rest of the world.
He should be fired and put up on charges.
Yes, the driver of the car was – admittedly – not the sharpest tool in the drawer. And he could have been quicker to yell out that he had a CWP. But, given the situation, he seemed to be very passive and was perhaps too timid. No, he wasn’t perfect. Nor did he deserve to be roughed up and sent to jail for it.
The important thing here is that the officer escalated the situation needlessly from the first minute of the tape. It’s as if he was buzzing from steroid use and just looking for trouble. We don’t want to have cops like this out there. In fact, cops like this are not only a danger to themselves, but to everyone around them. These sorts of interactions actually encourage some to hate the police. No, fire him and charge him.
Guaranteed that if the driver of the car was black, that would have happened already.
orkydorky
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 3:13pmIt appeared to me that several laws had been broken and not by the citizens. It isn’t up to a policeman to judge anyones lifestyle unless they are breaking the law. A car pulled to the side of the road letting passengers out is hardly grounds for a traffic stop. Secondly, I noticed the car was searched without permission or a warrant, and then the man was arrested and who knows what he went through because this cop was angry at the prostitute. He obviously was going to make this guy pay, even though no laws had been broken, just to prove some point. Now just imagine all the hassles with courts, attorneys, bail, getting his weapons permit back, plus the mental anguish, this guy will go through, while the cop at most will receive paid administrative leave. He definitely is administering his own justice and probably laughing about it. Cops like this give the rest a very bad name.
Report Post »fightback
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 3:21pmAgree, I am 55 years old and have been a great supporter of the police in the past, fundraisers, donations etc. I am done. I see this all to often with todays younger officers. After watching the fits over collecting bargaining I just can’t support them anymore. I recently asked a retired officer of 20 years if he deserves a pension and benefits much higher than the private sector employee. His answer was of course I could have been shot. I then Informed him I have a nephew third tour Afghanastan special forces who gets shot at every day. Before I could continue this guy went nuts. Kinda like a good little liberal.
Report Post »Cameraman
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 3:28pm:This is Police abuse of the highest Order! We all want to side with good LOE, but this is totally unacceptable, both Officers Should Be Tried for Domestic Terrorism.And Sent to Prison, if we allow the Law to be become Lawless, we are headed for Civil War…Semper Fi
Report Post »GABOB
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 4:57pm@Mil
Looks like they will be laughing at the lawsuit also.
Report Post »Observer
Posted on July 22, 2011 at 8:17amDon’t worry SEIU are hiring ex military folk …………………. or are they?
Report Post »ozchambers
Posted on July 22, 2011 at 2:33pmMy stepfather was a police officer on two different forces before working for the agency. Just last weekend he spoke to me about his growing alarm over the excessive use of SWAT. When he was on the force, SWAT was used for terrorist and hostage situations…PERIOD. You now have almost every force from the smallest towns to metropolitan areas using SWAT for situations that should be routine and would only require two uniformed officers. He has trained countless forces domestically and around the world in CQB, including FBI’s Hostage Rescue Team. He pointed out that several years back, it was noted that not ONCE has the HRT rescued a hostage, or been sent to a hostage situation and in order to save their jobs, they began offering to serve warrants for ANY federal crime. If this trend continues we will find ourselves in a gestapo state.
Report Post »mtorres20
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:23pmWe have exchanged our Freedoms ( right to defend yourself ) for Goverment Security (police). If you want your freedom we need to cut back on Police and their obsene power. Police serve the Political system and the Political System is the enemy of We the People.
Report Post »cloudsofwar
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:48pmremember that if YOU need the POLICE.
Report Post »dietrdeb
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:58pmWouldn’t need so damned many police if we all could carry!
Report Post »Mil-Dot
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:06pmHey Clouds of war
Report Post »If all of you cops fell off the planet tomorrow, we would be just fine. It is the preventing of the people taking out the trash and eliminating the criminal element by cops that has led our country down the wrong path. Nowadays, if a good citizens kills a drug dealer he is thrown in prison because he dared to take away a portion of the cash cow that govt employees use for their pensions. The cops need to get the hell out of the way and let the people take care of business or eventually we will move you out of the way whether you like it or not.
robert
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:07pmFrom what I can determine the incident involves possible prostitution and a John. Hardly a life threatening scenario. It’s just one more incident indicating the police forces around the country are so underworked they have to create crime in order to justify their positions. They need a cut-back in personnel, so they’re forced to concentrate on real crime and not frivolous pursuits.
Also, this Gestapo is over reacting. He’s an abuse-freak that’s into intimidation and control. He’s blown the entire situation way out of proportion. There was NEVER a point where he wasn’t in a position to shoot the guy if he pulled a gun. He’s supposed to conduct these stops assuming the occupants are armed. Also he and his partner are supposed to position themselves so any possible perps can’t get the drop on them.
It is the non-concealed carriers who pose a threat during a traffic stop, but even they rarely open fire. If they do, they’re certainly not legally armed with a license. During a survey a couple of years ago, it was revealed that the jobs that were the most dangerous were convenience store clerk, cab driver, etc. Law enforcement was down the list a bit.
This screwball is a mental case that’s obviously scared out of his skin in addition to being an abuser and control freak. He’s yelling and acting tough to give himself false courage.
Report Post »booger71
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:08pmDon’t need the police, I can protect myself. Don’t know why cities have went with the professional police nonsense. Stick with just a sheriff system who can be voted out of office.
Report Post »JimmyInTN
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 3:21pmThe police do not PREVENT crimes, only INVESTIGATE ones that have already been committed. I carry a gun, because a cop is too heavy. This officer definitely needs to be fired and sued for his threats.
Report Post »gunny11
Posted on July 22, 2011 at 5:51pmPolice don’t protect you.They just point you out to the coroner so he can put a toe tag on you.
Report Post »SimpleTruths
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:22pmI don’t blame the cop at all, they face death every day.
Report Post »john koenig
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:29pmI guess you enjoy living in a police state. You must work for the TSA.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:30pmNo excuse for losing your cool like that. If you can’t take the pressure and act professionally you need to get another job or take a vacation. We give these guys guns and power. that comes with responsibility. This cop was ranting about the citizen not being responsible but it’s the cop who was flying off the handle.
Report Post »FireMall
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:33pmObviously , The citizens also face death every time they are pulled over.
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:34pmIs this a joke? They VOLUNTEER for that job, you dolt! Is there any limits in your mind?
Report Post »mutslie
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:34pmI agree with you who would want the job especially when your colleages get ‘knocked.
Report Post »What a joke a guy with a gun parked on street h‘mmm they’d probobly already done the deal!.
That cop has just seen to much crap I feel sorry for him, they do that to make streets safe for us
……………stinking politicians/lawmakers‘ get their money easier oh’ yeah they (pollies) may have to work this weekend to balance the national dephicet ,the cops are at it 24×7 with a chance of getting shot ………
loriann12
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:35pmYea, but to be in a traffic stop and not let someone tell you something that important is irresponsible. That’s assuming guilt, not innocent until proven guilty.
Report Post »Edct
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:36pmThere is no excuse for this cops behavior….and cops like this create a lot of the anger they feel from a lot of the public every day…..he must be fired immediately.
Report Post »trolltrainer
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:36pmYou have GOT to be kidding?
Report Post »Cap8tain
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:45pmWhere did you get that idea, from the news or Hollywood. The general public faces death everyday and the majority dont carry guns and can’t call for back up.
Report Post »southerngal
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:47pmNew York is a CC state. When i got my licence, I asked my sheriff what they would like to hear if I was ever pulled over. did they want to know if i was carrying. No he said, people like me are their least problem. we have been vetted by our neighors, and friends, the FBI has run a background check, and the local judge has reviewed all the information. and approved it. We are least likely to be the one when stopped apt to be a problem. And i agree, but if that cop is a loose cannon he should be reviewed, and removed quickly.
Report Post »hifi74
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:57pmI come from a family of police officers and military, I was a mitary police officer in the Army as well and this officers actions were way out of line. There is no excuse for acting like that when someone is trying to be cooperative. This should be grounds for an immediate firing on the part of this Gestapo. And I do not say that light heartedly, I have much respect and understanding for officers and their job but that is exactly how this officer acted.
Is it a tough job? It sure is and you are under much stress and constant scrutiny, but this kind of behavior is unacceptable.
Report Post »dietrdeb
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:00pmIt’s a choice they make for themselves. If you can’t handle yourself in a more decent manner, then you should be fired from a job claiming you to be a civil servant.
Report Post »henryKnox
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:05pmI’m sorry, we are protected from overzealous police in this country. He should have allowed the driver to notify him of the weapon. However, I don’t believe it should be a requirement to reveal his weapon unless he is being arrested. The officer should assume everyone that he stops has a weapon. We all have the right to protect ourselves, not just concealed carry license holders. In my state you don’t need a license to have a gun in your car.
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:11pm@john koenig
Report Post »Ohio is not a police state. At least not SW Ohio. I don’t condone what this policeman did at all. He’s on a power trip. That was in Canton, liberal land. He’s probably union.
Ohio just passed two more CCW laws that permit a carrier to enter liquor establishments, but not consume. Also, to straighten out how to carry in your car. People who were ticketed for how they carried in their car can go back and get the ticket removed from their record.
IronSights
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:19pmDangerous profession, Yes. His actions excusable, NO. Way out of line. If you are required to notify the officer if your carrying legally, why don’t they just ask when taking the drivers license and registration? The ask before they pat you down if you have anything that could cause them injury. Just saying. Also, why wasn’t dispatch on the ball notifying the officer that the guy was a legal CCW? I would think this information would be tied to the cars plate (if he’s the owner). Officer would have known before he even approached the car.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:23pm@Loriann
Here’s the kicker though. In Ohio our CCW status is tied to our car’s license plate. The cop *knew* before he ever got out of his car that the victim had a CCW. That’s why he goes out of his way to prevent him from being able to notify, because he’s trying to exploit a legal loophole. Interesting once you know that isn’t it?
This cop is a rogue and dangerous man, and his partner isn’t much better. Force’em to resign and good riddance to the both of their sociopathic butts.
Report Post »JimmyInTN
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 3:28pmYes they do and as a law abiding CCW permit holder, I always show them respect. However, it’s been pounded in my head that you never draw your weapon unless you feel like your life is threatened. If I, as a CCW holder were to act this way if someone cut me off in traffic, got my fast food order wrong, etc., I would probably be arrested and/or sued. Shouldn’t our police officers be held to the same or even higher standard?
Report Post »Mateytwo Barreett
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 3:35pmThey “face death EVERY day”. Guess what, chum. So does EVERY civilian that they come in contact with!
Report Post »orkydorky
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 3:43pmThat’s his chosen profession, and if he can’t be professional doing his job, or can’t stand the pressures of it, then he needs to be in another profession. He is no more than a time bomb waiting to go off!
Report Post »neocon1
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 4:24pmyeah death from the doughnut shop and speed traps,
Report Post »I know many cops and they MAYBE faced “death” once in their 20 year career.
proliance
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 5:47pmCops don’t face death every day. Being a police officer isn’t even in the top 10 most dangerous jobs.
Report Post »Dont-hate-on-me-2
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 8:55pmThat cop and many like him and you are a pos
Report Post »SamIamTwo
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 9:24pmMaybe the cop had just gotten off a high stress job…In WA state, when one of them get off an intense bust or some other intense situation they send them on patrol to Vashon Island…
And you’d better not roll thru a stop sign…I guarantee ya they are still hopped up from last weeks bust or high risk encounter. There is a reason why they put their hand on top of their gun when they approach a person in a car…
They know cop haters out there…and no I do not condone what this officer of the law did.
Most cops don’t make it thru the 20 year hoop to retirement…How many have been killed in the last two years, let alone just walk away from the job?
Report Post »dscon
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 9:32pmGhostOfJefferson/lorian
“Here’s the kicker though. In Ohio our CCW status is tied to our car’s license plate. The cop *knew* before he ever got out of his car that the victim had a CCW. That’s why he goes out of his way to prevent him from being able to notify, because he’s trying to exploit a legal loophole. Interesting once you know that isn’t it?
This cop is a rogue and dangerous man, and his partner isn’t much better. Force’em to resign and good riddance to the both of their sociopathic butts.”
GOJ…. how would that be linked to liscense plates?
Report Post »did u mean drivers liscense?
that would make more sense.
drvrs lic would be with person and person may not be with car…
u follow?
Mil-Dot
Posted on July 22, 2011 at 3:27amThey do NOT face death every day. That is a lie. That is a myth to brainwash the public into accepting improper behavior and is used as an excuse for NAZI-like tactics. Yes, every once in a while they face life or death danger. But not EVERY DAY. Come on. And, when they do, they call 20-30 other cops with assault rifles to back them up.
Report Post »BlueStrat
Posted on July 22, 2011 at 11:08am@ DSCON
“GOJ…. how would that be linked to liscense plates?
did u mean drivers liscense?
that would make more sense.
drvrs lic would be with person and person may not be with car…
u follow?”
CCWs are tied to name/identity, as are license plates. Run the plate, the registered name pops up with the attached CCW notification. Same with DL#, or even just full name.
@ SimpleTruths
Not only was the officer unprofessional, he violated the procedures for a stop that are there for his protection as well as the public’s safety. He endangered himself, his partner, and the stop‘s subjects and the general public’s safety. This out-of-control “public servant” also committed multiple felonies.
This should be included in police academy training films as a prime example of what you DON‘T do and the attitude you DON’T have when conducting a stop & question. This sort of behavior reinforces the “cops are enemies” attitude among citizens and may indirectly cost another cops’ life and the lives of innocent civilians.
I showed this video to my nephew, an army vet and retired police detective with 24 yrs. He was extremely angry with this “officer’s” conduct and unprofessional behavior. His comment? “That’s the kind of stupid cop that get themselves, their partners, and innocent people killed. If a cop I’d rode with had behaved in that manner, I’d have pulled on him myself, disarmed and cuffed his a$$, and locked him up and charged him with multiple felon
Report Post »American_Bearcat
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:22pmI live in Canton, Ohio! I have to say I have never heard of anything like this before….
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:14pmIt’s a highly unusual thing. It’s only been a story for a few weeks, but I’ve been following it the whole time (I live in Ohio as well, Delaware county).
Report Post »merd01
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 6:57pmAmerican_Bearcat;
Now that you have, what will you do about it? Your Police Department’s Facebook page is down, and when I called the NON-emergency number about it, the gentleman who answered the phone didn’t even know that they HAD one!!! The reason I wanted to go to the Facebook page is because since I don’t live in OH, they can dismiss me as being an out-of-state nutball.
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:22pmMan these godd88n nazis need to be fired asap. The officer threaten to put the legal law abiding citizen own gun to the back of his head,threaten to bust him in the mouth ,and threatened to beat the fremale passenger if he saw her around. Police like this have no business serving the public truss.
Report Post »Anonymous T. Irrelevant
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:52pmNothing worse than a cop with an attitude. This guy should be fired or demoted for his language alone. Driving “blacked out” is, I believe, illegal and dangerous. They did not ask permission to search the car, nor from what I saw, had probable cause. They did not even do the search correctly. You don’t search with someone still in the car. If anyone is a dummy, idiot, numbskull, it’s these two cops. I know they face danger everyday, it’s their job, but that doesn’t mean they have to make life miserable for everyone else. They have a responsibility to uphold the law, not to threaten people, just because they happen to hold a little power over them. Jerks.
Report Post »loriann12
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:19pmIt looks to me from the video that his “probable cause” was the rear seat passenger was black. Who is he to assume that he‘s lying about his name and he’s seem him before? And just because a woman was arrested for soliciting YEARS ago, as she stated, doesn’t make her automatically guilty either. People change when they get older. He was way out of line. And concealed carry people AREN’T what get cops killed. It‘s people who DON’T go through the training and get a gun illegally.
Report Post »theDfactor
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 3:58pmThe legal violations of these so-called police officers are beyond and more serious than what simple termination would warrant.
Report Post »These men warrant prison (not jail) time…!
I do not want these so-called police officers to go to some other city and be hired in the same capacity… They are a clear and present danger to citizens with or without CCW permits… They need a serious lesson which only time behind bars will give them.
This was not a traffic stop… It was in fact a clear violation of the most important Constitution rights of these citizens… Illegal search, illegal seizure, not to mention unwarranted threats of great bodily harm and even death.
It starts off poorly by the police, who obviously had little to do except terrorize people they felt were inferior…
Advice to the policeman Mark, “the male passenger’s name is not “Hoss,“ it is ”Sir” until he tells you his correct name.
This would have had a completely different outcome in Texas believe me… And probably with other Americans, who like Texans do not take kindly to being pushed around by heavy-handed police who probably should never have been hired to act in the capacity to as a police officer.
ion
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:22pmsigns of the times
Report Post »vennoye
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:08pmAm afraid you are right!! Good people and bad people means good cops and bad cops. Dash cams cut both ways for people’s protection……
Report Post »Toucan
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 3:27pm@ VENNOYE
The dash-cam cutting both ways is so true and so brilliant… It is a portable “lie detector” that both sides benefit from… As far as your profile pic, your Sheltie looks so happy… My family sure misses our shelties that have since past on…
Report Post »mtnclimberjim
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:21pmThere will come a time when the police have to choose a side. They best pick the side of the people. WE SERROUND THEM.
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:29pmPlease these are text book gastepos agents of the state. They are the reason police have a bad name. And I’m quite sure they will soon be in the unemployment line and have to apply for their own cc permits to carry a fire arm.
Report Post »UBETHECHANGE
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:21pmFire this commie officer now!!!!!!!!!!
Report Post »jb.kibs
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:44pmi agree. “You’re just a stupid human being”
Report Post »He tried to tell them, he held up his hand hushing him. it’s right on video.
FIRE THIS SOB NOW. NO PENSION, NO NOTHING.
DeltaHawk
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:20pmIt is not just a right to carry, It is your duty! The 2nd ammendment is to protect us from them. It is not a police officers job to protect you, They are to protect the state. it is your duty to protect yourself!
Report Post »IntegrityFirst
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:39pm@deltahawk. Well said.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:15pmHear hear!
Report Post »Mil-Dot
Posted on July 22, 2011 at 3:17am@ Delta and others
Report Post »Delta hit the nail right on the head. The cops main job is to protect the govt from US. Protecting the citizens is a side note.
KyLafoon
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:20pmOfficer needs to be put on admin and have some psych intervention.
Report Post »He is wound way too freakin tight to be on patrol.
NC1
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:27pmNot to mention he judge the person as “guilty” before anything. He’s on a power trip.
Report Post »madasblazes
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 5:02pmThis sure boiled my blood!
The officer screwed up and scared himself. Therefore, he became very aggressive toward an innocent man.
He abused this man. Unmercifully abused him.
How disturbing and dispicable the actions of this EX-officer.
Report Post »A Doctors Labor Is Not My Right
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:20pmThe poll options are incomplete.
What part of the Second Amendment don’t these cops understand? All citizens have a right to keep and bear arms for protection against corrupt government. This cop is lucky he didn’t get shot. Learn the Constitutional limits on your authority, damn it!
US Constitution, Bill of Rights
“THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.”
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“Amendment II
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
Report Post »BIGJAYINPA
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:19pmI have only one thing to say, OATHKEEPERS. This jackbooted thug, obviously drunk on power has forgotten the basic tenent of Police work. You are a PUBLIC SERVANT you serve the PUBLIC. I realize that the job has dangers and caution must be foremost in your mind at all time, but that is no reason to act like an SS Storm Trooper at all times. It is officers like this that cause people to view the Police as Gestapo agents. One bad cop can tarnish a whole lot of good officers….Just sayin’
Report Post »hauschild
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:25pmThe law enforcement profession is no different in terms of percentage of dirt bags, compared with normal work. It’s got to be close to 50% dirt bags at this time. But, I guess one man‘s dirt bag is another man’s runnin’ buddy.
Report Post »Hula Calhoun
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:18pmSounds like this cop resents the idea of concealed carry. I think he intentionally cut the guy off from saying he had the permit so the cop could accuse him of not informing him. This guy is a disgrace to the force.
Report Post »dietrdeb
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:06pmI agree!
Report Post »Refender
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:18pmThank Godher e in Pennsylvania there is no law that requires this type of action.Pull me over and I’m not saying anything. Here we have had incidents where motorists have informed the cops, and it only got worse from there.
Report Post »Jim
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:28pmI’ve been trying to find out if we have tell here in PA but never got a straight answer.
Report Post »Bill Wallace
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:18pmIt doesn’t matter whether the citizen is guilty of failing to notify or not.
The question here is whether failing to notify allows an officer to threaten you with pulling his gun and sticking it to your head, blasting you in the mouth, caving your head in, or putting the lumps to a woman.
This officer overreacted. Be it failure to train, failing to STFU and let a person talk, or failure to take anger management.
I would first demand an explaination from the officer with a mandatory urine test to see if this officer perhaps suffers roid rage. After that investigation, officer should be suspended without pay or fired.
Report Post »Islesfordian
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:33pmAgreed. He shows no ability to act professionally or decently.
Report Post »richard the lion-hearted
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 6:12pmAmen brother!!!!
Report Post »ridgerunner316
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:17pmThis clown pretending to be a cop is a total disgrace. I did nearly 30 years of police work and retired as a supervisor. I would have done anything in my power to get this guy fired ASAP. Take out the gun completely, and you still have total disrespect and verbal abuse of the citizens. Jerks like this will forever overshadow those who try their best to do the impossible job of policeing in this country in a professional manner. Fire this @$$hole now!
Report Post »Bum thrower
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 4:29pmI agree; my 2nd CHL instructor was a police officer, and he warned us about COPS like this. The officer was TOTALLY wrong and should be fired immediately for ‘conduct unbecoming’; deriliction of duty and abuse of a citizen.
Join IDPA or IPSC and you’ll be 10 times better than 95% of law officers. They are all betting they will get thru their careers and never have to pull, let alone use their weapon.
Report Post »quarter horseman
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:17pmThis cop needs to be fired! The comment about the women is so uncalled for.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:17pmSee what I mean?
They don’t WANT you to exercize your 2nd Amendment rights…at all!
See how they intimidate the public into not exercizing their rights?
Do you think I would walk down a Cleveland Street with my firearm carried openly as is allowed by the Constitution and Ohio State Law?
Of course not, THIS is what is going to happen, that‘s IF you don’t get BLASTED IN THE MOUTH or BEAT UPSIDE THE HEAD and ARRESTED and CHARGED and HAVE YOUR LIFE TURNED UPSIDE DOWN BY THE NAZI POLICE THUGS RUNNING AROUND LIKE THEY OWN THE PLACE!
RESIST THE NAZI POLICE STATE!
They’re coming eventually to TAKE your guns!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBVVfed4cpA
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:20pmSure you can do that. I routinely open carry in Ohio (I live in Delaware county, just north of Columbus). The only encounters I’ve had because of it, civilian or cop, have been friendly and were pleasant exchanges. And I don’t carry a small pocket gun either when I open carry, I carry a full sized 1991A1 Series 80 .45 (yes, I said 1991A1, not 1911A1).
In fact, in about two weeks there a huge open carry even up on Powell, the park in the middle of the city. It’s yearly and most folks there open carry and the cops do nothing but smile, wave and talk to us about the food or exchange words on what kind of guns we’re carrying and how they shoot.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 3:25pmI’m talking about CLEVELAND.
That isn’t happening in CLEVELAND without you getting stopped illegally for exercizing your rights, and “investigated” while they illegally detain you.
They don’t care that we passed a Statewide Open Carry Law.
They believe they ARE the law.
That’s why notices have had to be sent to depts that are ignoring the law. They don’t care.
http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/5817
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 3:34pmWe don’t have “a state wide open carry law”. What we have is absence of law, and Article 1 Section 4 of the Ohio constitution. ORC 9.68 removes local pre-emption, which was the big impediment to open carry (and concealed carry actually).
Cleveland is a cess poll. They just lost a big gun case recently regarding local pre-emption and guns and are now feeling some financial burden for covering the expenses of the victim(s). :) Your folks will come around, even if we have to drag them kicking and screaming to it (which we’re doing).
Get outside of Cleveland and OC is not a huge deal, properly conducted.
Report Post »merd01
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 10:19pm@Ghost: Let‘s just hope this numbnuts cop doesn’t show up at the event . . .
Report Post »tower7femacamp
Posted on July 22, 2011 at 3:15pmV-man they are not ignorance about CC they just have been selectively
Report Post »hired because of their low IQ and desire to Bully the masses
the same thing that drove Hitler, I mean me….
V-MAN MACE
Posted on July 22, 2011 at 3:38pmWe do have an open carry law, it is statewide common law, also called case law.
Ohio is a traditional open carry state. Recently, the Ohio legislature passed HB-12 over Governor Taft’s veto, thus preempting all local open carry bans even in Ohio’s “home rule” localities.
HB-12 is the case law and pecedent, hence common law.
If you open carry in Cleveland, you’re taking your chances of being stopped by the cops, because they simply don’t care.
Report Post »NSDQ
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:17pm“You’re just a stupid human being!” wow God complex much
Report Post »Failsafe
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:17pmI predict suspension with pay for the officer.
Report Post »michaelmoron
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:30pmHe should be Fired with no Pension !!!!!!
Report Post »smithclar3nc3
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:39pmIf they don’t fire him I can guarantee at some point a citizen will be killed by this officer and motre than likely it will be unjustified.
Report Post »proliance
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 5:55pmFrom the Hot Air article mentioned above: “I want to assure our citizens that the behavior, as demonstrated in this video, is wholly unacceptable and in complete contradiction to the professional standards we demand of our officers. As such, appropriate steps were placed in motion as dictated by our standards, policies and contractual obligations. Those steps included: The officer immediately being relieved of all duty. The incident has been referred to the Internal Affairs Bureau for what will be a complete and thorough investigation. As bad as the video indicates our officer’s actions were, there is a due process procedure to follow. That process is designed in the best interest of both our employees and the citizens at large. That process will be followed in this case as in all others. Anyone shown to be in violation of our rules and regulations will be help appropriately responsible as dictated by all the facts.” ~Chief Dean McKimm
He is on a paid vacation pending the investigation by internal affairs.
Report Post »Dr. Insane O
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:15pmThe cop is a mental case and should be removed from the street.
Another jackboot nazi ruining it for good people in law enforcement
Report Post »Bluefish49
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:22pmThis is classic “Roid Rage”. I live in South Carolina where the law appreciate’s someone with a concealed carry. I would have had both licence in my hand when he came to the window.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:34pmTo be fair Blue, most police here are very friendly with CCW’s, and many to most actually thank us for notifying us. I’ve heard some friends say that they were even told “We don’t worry about you folks at all” in regards to CCW. The only places with an attitude these days are Cleveland, Toledo and Cincinnati, and by that I don’t mean every cop, just rogue buttheads like in this video.
Report Post »GhostOfJefferson
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:42pm“thank us for notifying them”
My typing skills today seem to reflect the notion that I‘m apparently 10 beers drunk yet I haven’t had a drink in a couple of days. Dang it! :)
Report Post »smokie
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 3:53pmBluefish, I was suspecting roid rage at first, too, but in my opinion Cop Mouthy is rather dumpy.
Report Post »We had a roidy prison guard next door to us long ago. Long ago because after he threatened to ‘take us down, and take us out.” we moved.
This was over us asking him to turn down his radio.
Little men. If you know what I mean.
Obama_Sham
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:15pmNow, this is an example where Sinista or V-man or whatever he is going by now has a great point to argue…
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:22pmThis isn’t the first time, won’t be the last, and there are other instances besides gun rights that the police openly violate the law and your rights.
This is just ONE egregious example.
RESIST THE NAZI POLICE STATE!
Report Post »progressiveslayer
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:24pmThe cop didn‘t talk to the driver for five minutes so he couldn’t tell him right away he was carrying.
Report Post »That cop needs a psych evaluation asap,and fired but the union would get his job back.
IceCreamMan
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:15pmOh those “conclead” gun owners….
Report Post »Rothbardian_in_the_Cleve
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:14pmHow did one Blaze poster put it? Thank God for the Thin Blue Line of Safety.
I know I sleep better being assured that fine officers like this patrol the streets.
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:20pmYou already know what time it is in Cleveland!
The Nazis here won’t stand for you exercizing your 2nd Amendment rights either.
Especially not in Cleveland Heights…wow.
That video of the cops harrassing the man in Cleveland Heights in epic Police Thuggery.
Report Post »obamanation
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:42pmOfficers have no right to threaten a civilians safety. This officer is going to kill an innocent person one day and “not lose any sleep over it.”
Like anyone that works well under pressure, officers need to be smart, cool and level headed… A rare thing among today’s police force. Even Dirty Harry didn’t scream like a girl when he was mad; he just stayed cool and got the job done.
Report Post »Dougral Supports Israel
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 1:59pmThat cop is an unreasonable SOB and should be fired. He threatened more than one time to kill the driver. If any one of us did such a thing we would be up before a judge. Police have a duty to enforce the law while following the law themselves.
Report Post »henryKnox
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 2:26pmBe honest, you know there are always bad apples in every organization. We have an abundance of them in Congress also. I don’t have any less respect for the police force just because of a bad apple. We need to deal with these people that have no business with the power that they have been trusted with. He should be assigned desk duty until they can determine if he can control himself. Ever hear, ‘don’t throw the baby out with the bath water’?
Report Post »V-MAN MACE
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 3:14pmThe bathwater is stagnant, and the baby is a Grown Man with a firearm and myriad of civilian torture tools at his disposal.
They won’t willingly do anything about police abuse. Have they to this point? No.
THEY DON’T GIVE A $#!7.
We, the public, have to FORCE them through pressure, which is indicative of police sentiment towards the public to begin with, why do we have to pressure them to uphold an oath they voluntarily take?
Why is this bullying attitude rampant amongst nearly every department?
This is systemic, and coming from the top.
They are being TRAINED to openly violate our rights. They are HANDPICKING the most bullying brutal psychopaths and promoting them.
They know that the overwhleming majority of the public are decent folks, and are not going to be violent and resist them. They take that for granted when violating our rights first, knowing that there isn’t a great deal we can do to stop them from their abuse right on the spot. They know that we the public must legally allow them to violate our rights and then try to seek justice in a corrupt court of law after the fact.
They don’t even want to be videotaped, so they can violate with total indiscretion and abandonment.
They don’t even want a burden of proof or probable cause. They want to do what they want, when they want, and YOUS JUST SHUTS UP AND TAKE DAT, YOU PATHETIC HUMAN!
Moblike, Nazi thuggery.
Report Post »Jack2011
Posted on July 21, 2011 at 6:26pmJudge Napalitano (On Freedom Watch/Fox Business Channel) is constantly showing cases where the police ARREST people who film them.
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