YouTube Freezes Palestinian Media Watch Account, Pulls Fatah Video Calling for Religious War with Jews, Born of ‘Apes & Pigs’
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Tiffany Gabbay
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Palestinian Media Watch is an organization whose stated mission is to monitor, translate and disseminate all forms of media broadcast by the Palestinian Authority. These translations, videos and transcriptions showcase a steady stream of virulent anti-Semitic and anti-Western sentiment, often with direct calls for physical violence.
Many believe PMW offers a valuable service as it provides key insights into the way the PA thinks and operates. Now, however, for at least the second time, PMW’s YouTube service has been disrupted after the watchdog group uploaded a vitriolic Fatah video in which Jewish people are referred to as “descendants of apes and pigs” and the PA Mufti Muhammad Hussein calls on Palestinians to “kill the Jews” no matter what “rock or tree” they “hide” behind.
Of course, the hate speech and calls for violence do not come directly from PMW. PMW merely translates and disseminates what was already produced and broadcast by the PA.
YouTube administrators have deemed the most recent upload as “innaproriate,” and have subsequently removed the video from its site and frozen PMW’s user account. This is not the fist time YouTube has taken such actions against PMW and the exact reasons are unclear. Some critics say YouTube has bowed to pressure from Islamic special interest groups.
An article published on the PMW website explains:
In response to yesterday’s PMW video-bulletin which showed the PA Mufti‘s speech that Muslims’ destiny is to kill Jews, YouTube has frozen PMW’s account. All PMW videos are working except this one but the account is frozen and PMW cannot upload new videos for the next two weeks.
We have uploaded the video to a different server and it can now again be viewed from PMW’s website.
The video that YouTube is calling “inappropriate” exposed the Palestinian Authority Mufti citing the Islamic tradition (Hadith) that anticipates Muslims’ killing Jews as a precursor to the Hour of Resurrection. The Jews are also called the “descendants of the apes and pigs” by a Fatah moderator at the event.
The Blaze, through PMW, has obtained the video depicting the PA Mufti’s call for murder which aired on PA TV (Fatah), January 9, 2012. The translation follows below:
Moderator at Fatah ceremony:
“Our war with the descendants of the apes and pigs (i.e., Jews)
Long Live Fatah! [I invite you,] our honorable Sheikh.”
PA Mufti Muhammad Hussein:
“47 years ago the [Fatah] revolution started. Which revolution? The modern revolution of the Palestinian people’s history. In fact, Palestine in its entirety is a revolution, since [Caliph] Umar came [to conquer Jerusalem, 637 CE], and continuing today, and until the End of Days. The reliable Hadith (tradition attributed to Muhammad), [found] in the two reliable collections, Bukhari and Muslim, says:
The Jew will hide behind stones or trees.
Then the stones or trees will call:
‘Oh Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.’
Except the Gharqad tree [which will keep silent].”
Therefore it is no wonder that you see Gharqad [trees]
surrounding the [Israeli] settlements and colonies..”
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Comments (145)
Purveyor
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 5:55am“All the winds of doctrine were let loose to play upon the Earth, Truth be in the field, let Truth and falsehood grapple, whoever knew TRuth put to the worse in a free and open encounter?”
John Milton, Areopagitica (abridged)
“You Tube” is a private business entity and can determine for itself, what and what not to post. “You Tube” doesn’t seem to be troubled by various forms of vulgarity or, pornography, however, “You Tube” seems to exhibit an imbalance, regarding the sensitivities of Islam?
I say to “You Tube”: “let Truth and falsehood grapple,” as this substantive issue, is precisely what Milton was referring too?
Purveyor of Rhetoric
Report Post »theaveng
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:44amYOUTUBE and Google don’t support freedom of speech. That’s the bottom line
.
CBS: Ron Paul more likely to defeat Obama, then Romney, because Paul has the support of blacks and young people. If election were held today:
Paul:47%. Obama: 45%. Romney: 44%
Don’t Listen to War Propaganda (Iraq & Iran War Lies)
Report Post »3-MINUTE
VIDEO –
http://youtu.be/8KiRAMvAlpQ
“Observe good faith and justice toward all….. Permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations [Iran], and passionate attachments for others [Israel], should be excluded. Cultivate peace and harmony with all.” – George Washington
nzkiwi
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 4:02amThis action is wrong on two levels.
Primarily, freedom of speech cannot be selective. If it is, that places enormous power in the hands of those appointed to do the selecting – and in the hands of those doing the appointing.
This is fundementally and dangerously wrong. It will set us on a path that can only lead to the end of the free world and the beginning of an abominable “caliphate” whether it is muslim or not. Tyrants can insert themselves into power, and once there, wreak all that the free world’s warriors have fought and died to bestow on us, if we do not defend the spotlight of the First Amendment. Little nibbles at our freedom of speech have already been noted by the Blaze.
Many of the offended will think that it is a good thing to shut these megalo-maniacs up.
Which brings me to the second point. Expunging these clowns from the net will not make them go away. Some people (in this case youtube) is actually attempting to hide a truth from us. Does this seem to be obtuse to anybody else? How clever is it to willingly allow oneself to be blinded to an imminent threat?
One might be offended by what someone else has to say, but in silencing them one invites one’s own eventual destruction.
Report Post »nzkiwi
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 4:08amAnd on rereading the story again, it is not the offensive speech that is being pulled. That stays. What is being pulled is the translation.
“By the pricking of my thumbs,
Report Post »Something wicked this way comes.”
Purveyor
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 6:11amNZKIWI,
Civil rights and liberties, generally speaking, only applies, to Government. However, the SupremeCourt has added such considerations to “places of public accommodation” thus moving such beyond Government to private entities. Respectfully, America desperately needs to adhere to the Constitution and Laws as we have been letting too many issues have a non-existent “exception clause,” for various persons and groups. For instance: exceptions for OWS and the Union protesters in Madison Wisconsin, etc. “Equal protection” is a fairly basic concept?
However, overall, your point is well taken and I support your sentiments. I don’t intend to demean you your comment, not at all. Rather, I desire that you and I stand above the other political participants who are willing to disregard “procedural due process” for a “quickie solution.”
I want us to exhibit integrity.
Purveyor
Report Post »TomFerrari
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 8:04amWhat a mess. Internationally posted, across national borders, hosted on Amrican servers.
Report Post »First Amendment rights…
We need a Constitutional Government and we need it NOW so we can address such issues in a Constitutionally sound manner, writing the freedoms and protections into Constitutional law, thereby protecting our rights from future Congresses and dictators. Oops, I meant kings. Oh drat I did it again…I meant to say “Presidents.”
While we’re at it lets address trade imbalances with countries like china that ignore US Copyright law.
mycomet123
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:32amLet me get this straight on free speech!. So if a “religious group” one day decides it’s their “religious doctrine” to sexually abuse children & than kill them that it’s O.K. to voice your opinion based on “free speech”. I WILL NEVER believe that being allowed to publically voice HATRED & wanting to annihilate people based on their religion is “free speech” –It’s SOOO MUCH MORE THAN THAT!! It’s HATRED/EVIL!! When a society has come to the agreement that it’s FREE SPEECH to voice their opinion on KILLING PEOPLE, we no longer are a civilized society!! What you end up with is a society of BARBARIANS!!!!!!!! GOD HELP US ALL!!!!!!!!
Report Post »nzkiwi
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 6:11pm@Purveyor
You are quite correct, of course. My vehement support for free speech sometimes gets the better of me.
I do thoroughly agree with your comment about integrity.
I think also that the study of constitution and particularly the First Amendment and the national protection that it provides should be an important part of school studies. I wish that we had such a constitution in NZ. We have a Bill of Rights which our politicians have ignored when it suits them (yes, Helen Clark, I talking about YOU).
@Mycomet12
I understand your position, but just imagine that you say something that someone else vehemently disagrees with. Say that you put a prayer up on a school wall. And when you try to object about the way you are being treated, you are silenced.
In your country, it can’t happen, but do you realise that in other countries it is happening as you are reading these words? People are being brutalised and murdered by regimes who try to hide their crimes from the world, just as the Nazis did. They silence their population in order to protect themselves (and disarm them, too, but that’s another subject).
And not some thuggish African state. China. Russia. Syria. Venezuala…
Right now.
Report Post »mycomet123
Posted on January 19, 2012 at 10:26amNZKIWI, You probably will never read this since it’s sooo “late news”. I understand your viewpoint. My problem is this so called free speech. Let me ask you this–if someone publically states he wants to kill the presidet, do you think this person is not going to be confronted by the secret service dept. They will, because it‘s a THREAT to the president’s life. Let me ask you this–MORALLY is the president’ life more valuable than yours. I do not want to live in a society where someone threatens to kill me & I have to wait until they actually do, before intervention can occur. I don’t think that when you publically threaten to kill ANYONE it should be tolerated under the freedom of free speech, because if you are publically threating to kill me you are harming my personnal freedom of the right to live!! OUT OF THE MOUTH THE HEART SPEAKS!!!!
Report Post »mycomet123
Posted on January 19, 2012 at 2:16pmI would ask you to consider one more thing (if you ever read this). We the people were given (divinely inspired by God) the inalienable right to life,liberty & the pursuit of happyness. I believe these were not created to be unilaterally equal rights. What I mean is without the right to life there can be no right to liberty( freedom) & without the right to liberty there can be no pursuit of happyness (you cannot pursue happyness without freedom, and you have no need of freedom if you don’t live). Therefore I believe the FOUNDATION of human rights is just that–THE RIGHT TO BE!. If you start to corroide the foundation, everything else starts crumbling–WELCOME TO OUR CURRENT SOCIETY!
Report Post »BOMUSTGO
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 3:25amThe fate of Islamic nations and the children of Ishmael(verse 6) is found in Psalms 83..They want to come against Israel in verse 4.1. Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God. 2. For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.
Report Post »3. They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.
4. They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. 5. For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:6. The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes; 7. Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre;
8. Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of lot. Selah.
9. Do unto them as unto the Midianites; as to Sisera, as to Jabin, at the brook of Kison:
10. Which perished at Endor: they became as dung for the earth.
11. Make their nobles like Oreb, and like Zeeb: yea, all their princes as Zebah, and as Zalmunna:
12. Who said, Let us take to ourselves the houses of God in possession.
13. O my God, make them like a wheel; as the stubble before the wind.
14. As the fire burneth a wood, and as the flame setteth the mountains on fire;
15. So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm.
16. Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek thy name, O Lord.
BOMUSTGO
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 4:05amIn Psalms 83:11, where it says, “Make their nobles like Oreb, and like Zeeb: yea, all their princes as Zebah, and as Zalmunna:” ties into Judges 8:21 Then Zebah and Zalmunna said, Rise thou, and fall upon us: for as the man is, so is his strength. And Gideon arose, and slew Zebah and Zalmunna, and took away the ornaments that were on their camels’ necks.
The ornaments on the camels’ neck were crescent moon symbols, from the Hebrew word “saharon.”
Strong’s Number: 7720
Transliterated: saharon
a round pendant for the neck: –ornament, round tire like the moon.
Judges 8:21 in the ASV Bible it says,” Then Zebah and Zalmunna said, Rise thou, and fall upon us; for as the man is, so is his strength. And Gideon arose, and slew Zebah and Zalmunna, and took the crescents that were on their camels’ necks”
Islam comes from the ancient worshippers of the moon.
Report Post »kyheadhunter
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 3:24amI wish allah would come and get the silly little farts and take then to heaven. The world would be a much better place to live after they are gone.
Report Post »SHOWMESTATEGUY
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 3:06amThe muslims of the world are the only religion in the world that only talk war, war on the unbelievers. The muslims say that the Jews stole their homeland? Don’t think so, I believe the muslim stole the Jews homeland. But anyway. Even if that were true how do they explain all the muslim upon muslim blood shed?
Report Post »How do they explain fighting a war in Africa or Asia in the name of the muslim religion. Last I heard there weren’t that many Jews in Asia or Africa south of the Sahara. Could it be that the Jew is just a cover story for their real goal? Don’t kid yourself. The muslim kills the non-believer because that is what they are taught to do from the cradel. Jew or not. Makes no difference.
BOMUSTGO
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 3:13amIn their eyes, there is no difference between Christians and Jews…Muslims are the real infidel.
Report Post »Sgt_Rock
Posted on January 22, 2012 at 7:25pm“…I believe the muslim stole the Jews homeland.”
Especially when you consider that Jews / Judea / Judaism existed 2000 years before Mohammed. Tough for the Jews to steal something from a people that didn’t exist at the time. Lineage of Abraham or not it is a stretch…just like the lie about the “Palestinians,“ another ”made up“ victim ”race / society. The Arabs and other Muslims have spread their lies for centuries.
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philipzhao
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 3:03amIf you want to know what the sky looks like viewed from the bottom of a well, then watch U-Tube !
Report Post »AmeriCat
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 2:54amSo youtube freezes Palestinian Media Watch…an incredibly informative site
with news, facts, videos that are hard to find anywhere else!
And then heaping on another disgraceful act of censorship,
youtube chooses to remove a fatah video…calling for death to Jewish people.
I don’t get it.
It’s ok for the Muslims to hear the fatah, see the leader call for Jews to die…
But….the target of the fatah….along with other infidels,
is not allowed to see the video calling for their death?
Not allowed to see the warning?
Not allowed to see that the death curse is real and intends to do harm?
Why not let the world see it?
The Muslims are openly calling for death to Jews.
If they don’t want to hide their actions, then why should youtube?
Who is youtube trying to protect….?
Report Post »Certainly not the Jews, who are being targeted to die,
nor the masses of uneducated Americans
who may be seeing an Islamic fatah video for the first time.
Censorship…how to keep the masses uninformed, until it’s too late.
nzkiwi
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 5:18am@Americat
And whose idea was this really, I wonder.
Isn‘t youtube owned by Google who don’t want to be evil?
This has a very uncomfortable feel about it.
Report Post »scout n ambush
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 2:25amThe best part of the story is not here .A islamic scholar named Adnan Oktar gave a scorching response to these guys .I was reading his statement to them over at israel national news .com. It could be that they in our govt want us to not know what the muslims ideology is, it is harder to hide when you have them in their own words calling for un provoked mass genocide.Adnan is a brave man he has probably been marked by now .
Report Post »Twobyfour
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 3:53amHe is of the ottoman mold, and practicing dissimulation. You should read his conspiracy theories to see what he thinks of Jews. But, he hates, in a true ottomanist fashion, Arabs with a passion. As long as Jews are there to function as a buffer to Arabic expansionism, he is all okey dorey with them. Enemy of my enemy is my temporary friend.
That’s all to it.
Report Post »mauijonny
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 1:52amReplace this guy with a white guy and “Jews” with “blacks” and just guess what would happen…
Report Post »sane_man
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 2:01amWhat would happen? Oh you mean what happens all the time and what happened in this case? yeah the video got pulled and account frozen…exactly as happened in this case. Nothing to see here….
Report Post »Thatsitivehadenough
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 2:11amThe left would attack conservatives, Republicans, and George Bush. That’s what would happen. By freezing PMW account, they can hide the truth from Americans. I wouldn’t be surprised if George Soros is now involved with Google, YouTube, and anything else where the truth gets out.
Report Post »Tejada
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 2:38amIt is strange for YouTube to censor this video in first place. I‘m guessing a moderator simply didn’t like the truth about radical Muslims when he stumbled across it— so he scrubbed it. YouTube would probably agree, but the stance is flat out wrong. Don’t suppress anything that is true unless your willing to face the consequences of your actions. If there is a really hungry monster under your bed pretending it’s not there and covering your eyes will do you no good when it eats you.
By the way, I found similar content all over the site which was not censored. It is easier to find hate speech that condemns the right than the left. Check it out for yourselves.
I hope God blesses you,
Arthur
Studying up on the Bible is never a bad idea.
Report Post »Getting right with God is a better one.
But, both is best.
heartitorleaveit
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 10:17pmsirhansatan past quotes:
-“the bible is not the word of God”
-“Jesus is a muslim”
PROOF ISLAM IS THE RELIGION OF THE ANTICHRIST-
Some dude named ‘Yusuf Ali’ added the word ‘Abraham’ to the quran translations quran 29:27 of to make it read: “We gave (Abraham) Isaac and Jacob, and ordained among his progeny Prophethood and Revelation.” FACT!
This really twists alot of turbins up in a wad that he would fudge this whole thing up like that!
By adding Abraham, it is possible to include Muhammad in the prophetic line!FACT! (this however debunks the ENTIRE religion of izlam!)
OUCH!
We Christians believe that SATAN (Hebrew: הַשָּׂטָן ha-Satan), tried to damage the good works of ELOHIM through the serpent of Genisis, Cain,Hagar false idolatry’s etc. repeatedly throughout the Bible (Its all there and available at most book stores).
We believe SATAN disguised as Gabrael the archangel (Hebrew: גַּבְרִיאֵל, Modern Gavri’el Tiberian Gaḇrîʼēl, God is my strength; Arabic: جبريل, Jibrīl or جبرائيل Jibrāʾīl) gave the false prophesy to muhammad and that islam is the beast.
muhammad stating he was a prophet does not make it so.
so, simple question (as usual) here sirhansatan:
If islam is not the beast of the Bible then who is it? Does ELOHIM reject the teachings of the Bible, the covenant and Christianity/Judaism as your book teaches?
sorrysirhan- “no Covenant for you!”
Report Post »Re:
http://www.aju
heartitorleaveit
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 10:19pmcont…
sorrysirhan- “no Covenant for you!”
Report Post »Re:
http://www.ajuaa.com/lookme/play.php?vid=958 WARNING:Graphic images of muslims being “normal”
SurhanSurhan
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 1:44amIf God allowed the Jews to massacre all the Arabs in Palestine before the Jews took possession of Palestine, shouldn’t the Palestinians be allowed to massacre to get Palestine back?
Deuteronomy 20:16: In those towns that the LORD your God is giving you as a special possession, destroy every living thing.
Joshua 6:21: They completely destroyed everything in it with their swords—men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep, goats, and donkeys (the donkeys were not even spared).
Joshua 10:28: That same day Joshua captured and destroyed the town…He killed everyone in it, including the king, leaving no survivors. He destroyed them all.
Deuteronomy 12:32: So be careful to obey all the commands I (God or Jesus) give you. You must not add anything to them or subtract anything from them.
Report Post »******************************************************************
Deuteronomy 32:21: They (the Jews) have moved me (God) to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them (the Jews) to jealousy with those which are not a people (A non entity); I will provoke them (the Jews) to anger with a foolish nation (the pre-Islamic Arabs).
sane_man
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 2:06amWhat’s with all the copy and pasting of scripture that goes on in the comments sections here?
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 2:15am@ SANE_MAN- Matthew 13:13: Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
Report Post »Diane TX
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 2:27am@ SurhanSurhan,
Pure propaganda! There never was a Nation of Palestinians. Those who falsely call theirselves Palestinians are mostly Arabs from Jordan.
Report Post »samuelwcordrey
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 3:39amThe very purpose of those commands was three-fold 1. The Canaanites were the most vile people on earth: Sodamy was everywhere, Idols were worshiped, Prostitution was the biggest industry, and the Canaanites sacrificed their illegitimate children to burn on the lap of the God of lust. Molech was an Idol that sat on a throne with his arms outstretched over his lap. They built a fire in his lap, symbolizing the fire of lust, and would place their illegitimate baby in his arms as soon as it was born, because they couldn’t get to it any sooner.
Report Post »2. It was never the Canaanites land. It was given to Abraham long before then.
3. Any time Israel disobeyed this command the surviving people would always attempt to eliminate Israel. eg. God told Saul to slay the Amalakites. Saul saves king Agag and the Royal family. Story of Esther, Haman attempts to exterminate all Jews. Haman was an Agagite.
Es 3:1 ¶ After these things did king Ahasuerus promote Haman the son of Hammedatha the Agagite, and advanced him, and set his seat above all the princes that were with him.
Es 3:12 Then were the king’s scribes called on the thirteenth day of the first month, and there was written according to all that Haman had commanded unto the king’s lieutenants, and to the governors that were over every province, and to the rulers of every people of every province according to the writing thereof, and to every people after their language; in the name of king Ahasuerus was it written, and sealed
Twobyfour
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 3:41amDiane, Jordan is as artificial as most of the countries in ME. The founder of Fatah (before Arafat) explained that the “Palestinian” moniker is just a ruse for time being, that they are in fact Syrian Arabs, but for the purpose of destabilizing and destruction of Israel, it is a handy ruse.
Report Post »tzion
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 9:34amThose first three quotes refer to the Canaanites Surhan. What do they have to do with Arabs? The Canaanites were of African descent.
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 2:04pm@ TZION- “Those first three quotes refer to the Canaanites Surhan. What do they have to do with Arabs? The Canaanites were of African descent.”
Report Post »*********************
You need to take a class on effective reading! The scripture says: “Deuteronomy 20:16: (In those towns) that the LORD your God is giving you (as a special possession), destroy every living thing.
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It doesn’t matter where the Jews ended up going. When they got to where they were supposed to be, they were commanded to massacre every living thing.
tzion
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 3:52pm@Surhan
Report Post »Out of context once again. The command to completely destroy only applied to specific nations listed in the subsequent verse. Moreover, the preceding verses explicitly state that when waging war against other nations, the Israelites must first offer each city a chance to surrender and if forced to attack only the adult males may be slain while the rest may only be plundered.
tzion
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 4:02pmOne more misquote or loss of context from you Surhan and I’ll start using
Report Post »CONTEXT ALERT
to call you out.
heartitorleaveit
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 10:27pmAhmad Al Qataani ÃÍãÏ ÇáÞØÚÇäí is an important Islamic cleric who said: “In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Ever year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity.”
http://www.thecuttingedgenews.com/index.php?article=527
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heartitorleaveit
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 10:36pmsirhansatan- you used the term ” (the pre-Islamic Arabs).“ yet state ”Jusus was a muslim“ Was Jesus a ”pre – Islamic” Jew? Please feel free to explain your statement, we cant wait to hear this one!
Report Post »heartitorleaveit
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 1:39amAuthenticated MLK quotes:
Report Post »“I cannot stand idly by, even though I happen to live in the United States and even though I happen to be an American ***** and not be concerned about what happens to the Jews in Soviet Russia. For what happens to them happens to me and you, and we must be concerned.”
“Israel’s right to exist as a state in security is uncontestable.”
“Peace for Israel means security, and we must stand with all our might to protect its right to exist, its territorial integrity. I see Israel as one of the great outposts of democracy in the world, and a marvelous example of what can be done, how desert land can be transformed into an oasis of brotherhood and democracy. Peace for Israel means security and that security must be a reality.”
Diane TX
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 2:22amSomeone should point Ron Paul to this speech, because he‘s sure that Martin Luther King wouldn’t have wanted to be involved in the conflict between Israel and Arab World.
Report Post »4-The-Truth
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 1:33amIf we are to have any internet censorship at all, this is how it should be done. It should be done by individual internet company’s to reflect what they believe not by our corrupted government.
Report Post »PedalGirl
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 1:24amPlease, please, please watch this video series by Walid Shoebat… the Muslim’s have been saying this stuff since the beginning of time. Walid is a former Muslim, now Christian, and explains not only what goes on in the Muslim world… but also what the Bible says about Islam. This will open your eyes wide and you will see what’s going on in the middle east and around the world in a new way.
Report Post »http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAE6329F5C6F6B7CC
heartitorleaveit
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 1:43amWalid is the man! :]
Report Post »Captain Crunch
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 3:42amThanks for that link. I’ll watch the whole thing,
Allah IS the Devel!
Report Post »wildbill_b
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 6:55amSad little people making all kinds of false claims about a religion they know nothing about. Poor little terrorist rebutting what his own “bible” says, that is ” Unity of All Submitters
[2:62] Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, and the converts; anyone who (1) believes in GOD, and (2) believes in the Last Day, and (3) leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord. They have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve……The Quran preaches peace with all believers in God. And yes ALLAH is GOD. How anyone who claims OTHERWISE is not obeying “Allah”, and is a RADICAL extremist. But you guys keep telling yourself you got a clue. Peace
Report Post »LeadNotFollow
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 1:22amThose peaceful Muslims.
Report Post »Obama must be so proud.
cuinsong
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 1:06amWhen I hear about all the killing going on around the world I get real sick to my stomach. On the Moslem side we hear that they are a religion of peace but they keep having conflicts with anybody & everybody who wants to live their life with other values based on their culture. They keep trying to shove Islam into our face as a must accept and convert or die proposition. You just can’t fix stupid when its off the charts crazy. These people are trying to kill Jews, Christians and just about any other faith that they disagree with. How can this kind of insanity co-exist in a world of sanity? Its not possible! Something must give and I don’t think a bunch of people are going to volunteer to have their heads cut off to please Moslems. They need to shut this stupidity down in their culture and start trying to get along with others or keep to their self and quit trying to rule the world. Not going to happen!
Report Post »I write song’s and this song is about religious beliefs and teachings called “That’s not right”
http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_10789999
and “The Devils song“
http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_10789987
BOMUSTGO
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 1:36amI am at work and can’t get youtube. I am familliar with this guy..Islam wants to convert the world by 2050…Convert or die..One thing to note, and I will do a little more research, the cresent moon symbol has changed about seven years ago. The tips of the cresent moon touch where they used to be open.The tips appear like pincers as Islam is now moving to convert the world.
Report Post »Twobyfour
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 4:02amBOMUSTGO, the symbol change, any pointers? I don’t see it reflected on islamic nations flags. May be just some of the hard core jihadi groups?
Report Post »BOMUSTGO
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 5:15amThey did not change it on their flags.They changed the shape on top of their mosques (spelling?? who cares??)
Report Post »GeorgieJo
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:58amand Obummer wants to go back to the territory before the 6 day war???
Report Post »Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
LightvsDarkness
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:48amWe will endure terrible wars until this hatred goes away. But what will come after those wars will far out way what the world will have to endure during the hard times. The world will be a beautiful place, the Lord will reign personally, and peace will fill the earth and everyone and everything in it. Read Isaiah. Isaiah 11:6 ” The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.” (KJV) This verse describes that era which is yet to come.
Report Post »BOMUSTGO
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 1:05amIn Hebrew, the “Olam Haba.” = “The world to come.”
Report Post »PJL
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:34amThere is a limit to free speech when it‘s hate and Fatah’s full of it and C***!
Report Post »PaBowHunter
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:58amI disagree. This type of speech should never be removed from any media accessible by Americans. NOBODY should ever forget what these people want to do to us and our families.
Report Post »They absolutely want to annihilate us and we should never forget it.
SurhanSurhan
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 1:26am@ PABOWHUNTER- “NOBODY should ever forget what these people want to do to us and our families.
Report Post »They absolutely want to annihilate us and we should never forget it.”
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“They absolutely want to annihilate us”…Are you Jewish American? Are you Jewish? The speaker didn’t say anything about Americans.
Twobyfour
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 4:09amSo Sirhan, eliminating Jews is okay with you I presume.
Koran* explicitly mentions Jews, but else the same fate is to be meted out to infidels. That covers 99% of Americans, doesn’t it?
Koran = Allah = Mohammed. That is the gist hinted by some hadiths hat were not edited out for reasons of congruent context.
Report Post »Meyvn
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 6:19amSurhanSurhan: You’re an @$$!
Report Post »tzion
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 4:09pmSurhan
Report Post »Your comment gives the impression that it‘s okay if people threaten to kill Americans as long as it’s only a certain group of Americans. Americans as a whole shouldn’t be concerned if only a portion is threatened? Is that what your saying?
johnpaulkuchtajr
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:30amSome of the only folks helped by our direct monetary aid to the PA have been cats like Yassir Arafat. When he died, his wife was found hiding a BILLION dollars in Swiss accounts. The “Authority” swore it was theirs, she said it was her’s. Possession is nine tenths, eh?
At any rate, the Palestinians are a peaceful people, juyst ask the Fogels!
Report Post »BOMUSTGO
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 3:11amArafathead was the only world leader allowed to speak at the U.N. with a side arm.
Report Post »littleQueenie
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:39pm@surhan
He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.” Genesis 25:18
Since you believe the Bible so much, especially the part about Abraham, do mind telling us why the Bible makes no mention of Abraham traveling to Mecca with Ishmael and Hagar, (some 700 hundred miles away through uncharted desert) drops them off in an uninhabited place (Mecca would not be inhabited for another 400 years) travels back to Bathsheba, then a few years later travels back to Mecca to build the Kabba with Ishmael and then travels back again. That’s a lot traveling an old man; it would have taken a lot of time, it would have been a big deal, I wonder why the Bible never mentions it?
Report Post »BODYBAG
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:21amUh…Yeah. Generations, decades of President bobble heads have wasted time and resources
on this falacy of peace accords, truces, etc. etc. and not one has had the guts to be honest
about the situation, the reason it exists and the reason it will never end:
“For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid [Ishmael], the other by a freewoman [Isaac]. But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh [Ishmael]; but he of the freewoman was by promise [Isaac]. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which genders to bondage, which is Hagar [Ishmael-Mohammed], for this Hagar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answers to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all [Isaac-Christ]… Now
we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise [Bible-Christianity]. But as then he that was born after the flesh [Koran-Islam] persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Behold, you are with child, and shall bear a son; you shall call his name Ishmael; because The
Report Post »Lord has given heed to your affliction. And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man,
and every man’s hand against him.”
SurhanSurhan
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 1:09am@ BODYBAG- You missed the mark on this one. God did not do anything for Isaac that he did not do for Ishmael.
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Genesis 17:7: And I (God) will establish my covenant between me and thee (O Abraham) and thy seed (Ishmael and Isaac) after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee (O Abraham), and to thy seed (Ishmael and Isaac and their descendants) after thee.
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God‘s covenant is with Abraham and Abraham’s descendants. Since Ishmael is a descendant of Abraham, he too is under the covenant.
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Genesis 17:18: And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee!
Genesis 17:20: And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
Report Post »BOMUSTGO
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 2:42amIssac was of the promised seed, and all nations will be blessed through him as God manifest himself in flesh through the seed of Abraham…Hebrews 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
Report Post »Hebrews 11:17,18 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
18. Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
BOMUSTGO
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 2:44amAs for Ishmael and his seed ;Gen 16:11-12 And the angel of the Lord said unto her, Behold, thou art with child and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the Lord hath heard thy affliction.
Report Post »12. And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.
Meyvn
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 6:22amSurhanSurhan: When are you and your people going to start behaving like your’re under “The Covenant”?
Report Post »tzion
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 9:43am@Surhan
Report Post »Ismael was sent to be a great nation elsewhere. Avraham had other children later who he also sent east. And remember, the Edomites (Esau) weren’t heirs to the land either.
tzion
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 9:54am@Surhan
Report Post »Selective quoting? Taking quotes out of context? Try reading the other verses. The one after the whole 12 princes bit says this
Genesis 17:21 But I will maintain my covenant through Isaac whom Sarah will bear to you by this time next year.
SurhanSurhan
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:33am@ TZION- “Surhan Selective quoting? Taking quotes out of context? Try reading the other verses. The one after the whole 12 princes bit says this
Report Post »Genesis 17:21 But I will maintain my covenant through Isaac whom Sarah will bear to you by this time next year.”
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Genesis 17:7: “I will confirm my covenant with you and your descendants after you, from generation to generation. This is the everlasting covenant: I will always be your God and the God of your descendants after you.
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TZION, are you saying God did not establish his covenant with Abraham and Abraham’s descendants? Are you saying Ishmael is not a descendant of Abraham? Are you saying God contradicted himself when he said “my covenant is with you and your descendants after you O Abraham”? Are you saying Ishmael is not part of the covenant? Does the phrase “everlasting covenant” mean anything to you? What are you saying?
blondenblueeyed
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 3:08pm@ surhansurhan…although Ishmael was a son of Abraham his mother was of the seed of Cain and therefore was not the Son of the Covenant. He was to be a “WILD” man. Issac was the Son of the Covenant promised which is explained very plainly in the Bible. (Genesis chapter 16)
11 And the angel of the Lord said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the Lord hath heard thy affliction.
12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.
21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.
Report Post »tzion
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 3:35pm@Surhan
Report Post »It never said that ALL of Avraham’s descendents would be part of the covenant, only that it would be passed on to his descendents. If Ismael is included because he is one descendent, what about his other sons: Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak, and Shuah? He sent all of them eastward because they wouldn’t inherit with Isaac.
heartitorleaveit
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 10:15pmSirhansatan-
What is the real Quran?
-”Hudhaifa was afraid of their differences in the recitation of the Qur’an…Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur’anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt” (Hadith, Vol. 6, Book 61, #510).
-If there were so many other copies that were destroyed, then do we have any way of knowing what the real Quran said?
Why do you continue to repeat the same old stuff that has already been answered so many times? Are you not interested in the truth? Or, are you just interested in repeating the same old errors?
So I am right in concluding that you do not believe the Bible is the true word of God.So, does this compel you to deny its truth? Then why do you quote the Bible so much?
Report Post »heartitorleaveit
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 10:43pmsirhansatan past quotes:
-“the bible is not the word of God”
-“Jesus is a muslim”
PROOF ISLAM IS THE RELIGION OF THE ANTICHRIST-
Some dude named ‘Yusuf Ali’ added the word ‘Abraham’ to the quran translations quran 29:27 of to make it read: “We gave (Abraham) Isaac and Jacob, and ordained among his progeny Prophethood and Revelation.” FACT!
This really twists alot of turbins up in a wad that he would fudge this whole thing up like that!
By adding Abraham, it is possible to include Muhammad in the prophetic line!FACT! (this however debunks the ENTIRE religion of izlam!)
OUCH!
We Christians believe that SATAN (Hebrew: הַשָּׂטָן ha-Satan), tried to damage the good works of ELOHIM through the serpent of Genisis, Cain,Hagar false idolatry’s etc. repeatedly throughout the Bible (Its all there and available at most book stores).
We believe SATAN disguised as Gabrael the archangel (Hebrew: גַּבְרִיאֵל, Modern Gavri’el Tiberian Gaḇrîʼēl, God is my strength; Arabic: جبريل, Jibrīl or جبرائيل Jibrāʾīl) gave the false prophesy to muhammad and that islam is the beast.
muhammad stating he was a prophet does not make it so.
so, simple question (as usual) here sirhansatan:
If islam is not the beast of the Bible then who is it? Does ELOHIM reject the teachings of the Bible, the covenant and Christianity/Judaism as your book teaches?
sorrysirhan- “no Covenant for you!”
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WARNING, GRAPHI
Report Post »heartitorleaveit
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 10:44pmcont…
sorrysirhan- “no Covenant for you!”
Report Post »Re:
http://www.ajuaa.com/lookme/play.php?vid=958 WARNING:Graphic images of muslims being “normal”
SurhanSurhan
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:46pm@ HEARTITORLEAVEIT- I was hoping you would do a bit more homework and figure this out yourself, but I see you haven’t.
“Hudhaifa was afraid of their differences in the recitation of the Qur’an…Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur’anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt”
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This is 100% correct. Because of “their differences in the recitation of the Qur’an.” There are different dialects of the Arabic language. In order to keep the Qur’an in the same dialect that Muhammad spoke when he was alive Uthman and other companions of Muhammad decided to destroy copies that were not of the same dialect.
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“So I am right in concluding that you do not believe the Bible is the true word of God.So, does this compel you to deny its truth? Then why do you quote the Bible so much?”
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I quote the Bible because Christians and Jews believe it, not because I believe it. I believe in the Torah Moses brought to his people. I believe in the book David and Solomon brought to their people. I believe in the gospel of Jesus.
SurhanSurhan
Posted on January 18, 2012 at 12:27am@ HEARTITORLEAVEIT- “the bible is not the word of God’
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We can have a conversation about this. I have already proven to you and others that Jesus did not die on the cross. Since he did not die on the cross, the Bible cannot be the word of God.
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“If islam is not the beast of the Bible then who is it? Does ELOHIM reject the teachings of the Bible, the covenant and Christianity/Judaism as your book teaches.”
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What proof do you need from me that the Qur’an is the word of God? I asked your brother DEAVONREYE the same question and he would not answer it, maybe you will.
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“Some dude named ‘Yusuf Ali’ added the word ‘Abraham’ to the quran translations quran 29:27 of to make it read: “We gave (Abraham) Isaac and Jacob, and ordained among his progeny Prophethood and Revelation.” FACT!”
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If Abraham was not mentioned in the Qur’an until Yusuf Ali added him in his translation in chapter 29:27…Why is there an entire chapter called Abraham (chapter 14)?
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“muhammad stating he was a prophet does not make it so. so, simple question (as usual) here sirhansatan:”
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What proof do you need to accept Muhammad as a Prophet? One last thing, I do not speak for ELOHIM.
heartitorleaveit
Posted on January 18, 2012 at 2:29amsirhansatan- we all read the article, you can find it at the top of this page, and understand your mindset……
Report Post »-I asked-“If islam is not the beast of the Bible then who is it? Does ELOHIM reject the teachings of the Bible, the covenant and Christianity/Judaism as your book teaches?”
You dont answer the question….
heartitorleaveit
Posted on January 18, 2012 at 2:32am…..-sirhansatan asks-”What proof do you need from me that the Qur’an is the word of God?” and What proof do you need to accept Muhammad as a Prophet? ”
My answer : I dont want you to try to “prove” anything to me. I will never submit to allah. Your attempts to convert blazers just strengthen our resolve against you and your belief in the great deciever.
-sirhan asks- “If Abraham was not mentioned in the Qur’an until Yusuf Ali added him in his translation in chapter 29:27…Why is there an entire chapter called Abraham (chapter 14)?”
my answer: For the same reason! Yusuf Ali added him in his translation in chapter 29:27 to decieve non arab readers into believing The Covenant of ISAAC, NOT ISHMAEL belonged to the arabs. Because Islam is the most antichristian, violent scourge on this earth. (you admit the addition :] you are a partner to the deciever.)
-I have asked you at least six or seven times who the Beast of revelations is…
No reply from sirhansatan…….
-Heres one! sirhansatan- you used the term ” (the pre-Islamic Arabs).“ yet state ”Jusus was a muslim“ Was Jesus a ”pre – Islamic” Jew? Please feel free to explain your statement, we cant wait to hear this!
-sirhan sataes “One last thing, I do not speak for ELOHIM.”
We know sirhan, we know.
sorrysirhan- “no Covenant for you!”
Report Post »Re:
http://www.ajuaa.com/lookme/play.php?vid=958 WARNING:Graphic images of muslims being “normal”
heartitorleaveit
Posted on January 18, 2012 at 2:40amsirhansatan- you claim Gospels are corrupt? That means you do not believe the Quran either! You state that God’s word is never changed, but the Bible is changed. You say it USED TO BE completely true, but now it has truth combined with error. If that is so, then why do you quote it when it is convenient for you sirhan?
Report Post »Sirhansatan you say the Bible is valid when it agrees with the Quran but then will say it is wrong when it contradicts the Quran. BLASPHEME!
SurhanSurhan
Posted on January 18, 2012 at 2:03pm@ HEARTITORLEAVEIT- “If islam is not the beast of the Bible then who is it? Does ELOHIM reject the teachings of the Bible, the covenant and Christianity/Judaism as your book teaches? You dont answer the question….
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I have answered this question before but you will not accept my answer. Christian Bible scholars say the book of Revelation is a dream/meditation that a guy named John (possible John the disciple of Jesus) had. I cannot accept it as the word of God therefore I reject your premise of “If islam is not the beast of the Bible then who is it?” If someone other than Christian scholars said that about Revelation I might not believe it, but this is what Christians say about it.
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“my answer: For the same reason! Yusuf Ali added him in his translation in chapter 29:27 to decieve non arab readers into believing The Covenant of ISAAC, NOT ISHMAEL belonged to the arabs. Because Islam is the most antichristian, violent scourge on this earth.”
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The Qur’an has been translated into thousands of different languages, it has been around for 1400 years, it has never been changed since the day it was written. Post a link to a Qur’an where Abraham is not mentioned by name, or where there is no chapter Abraham.
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Now I have a question for you. Why do the Gospels (Matt, Mark, Luke and John) start out with “according to” and not with “by”?
SurhanSurhan
Posted on January 18, 2012 at 3:05pm@ HEARTITORLEAVEIT- “-Heres one! sirhansatan- you used the term ” (the pre-Islamic Arabs).“ yet state ”Jusus was a muslim“ Was Jesus a ”pre – Islamic” Jew? Please feel free to explain your statement, we cant wait to hear this!
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Islam in the Arabic language means to “submit” submit your will to God’s will. Jesus submitted his will to God’s will. Matthew 26:39: And he (Jesus) went a little farther, and fell on his face (which religion prays with their face on the ground…Muslims), and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt (Jesus, submitting his will to God’s will). Jesus is Muslim.
Luke 24:36: And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, PEACE BE UNTO YOU (which religious group greets one another with (peace be up him or (pbuh)… Islam. Therefore Jesus is Muslim.
During the time of Moses it was forbidden to eat pork. Jesus followed Moses law. Which religion to this day do not eat pork….Muslims…Therefore Jesus was Muslim.
Report Post »tzion
Posted on January 18, 2012 at 4:15pm@Surhan
Report Post »Jesus was Jewish. The term Peace unto You as a greeting is part of the Arabic language, not Islam. Moreover, Hebrew has the same phrase. The word for greeting and farewell in Hebrew is the same: Shalom Aleichem. If Jesus was Jewish that would make sense. In addition, Jews also would fall on their faces during certain prayers on specific days, most notably Yom Kippur. Islam didn’t exist until long after Jesus. Christianity didn’t exist until after Jesus. Also, didn’t Jesus drink wine? That’s a Jewish/Christian practice.
SurhanSurhan
Posted on January 18, 2012 at 6:34pm@ TZION- “Jesus was Jewish. The term Peace unto You as a greeting is part of the Arabic language, not Islam. Moreover, Hebrew has the same phrase. The word for greeting and farewell in Hebrew is the same: Shalom Aleichem. If Jesus was Jewish that would make sense. In addition, Jews also would fall on their faces during certain prayers on specific days.”
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You are right, but I have a question for you. Did Moses say I come to establish Judaism as a religion? Did Jesus say I come to establish Christianity/Judaism as a religion?
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Islam is a religion and a way of life. If you study the behavior of Moses, Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them) you will see that they practiced the same religion (strict monotheism). They never said “I am God or Worship me.” They never put any partners with God. They never said God has beget a son. They did not teach that God is three in one or one in three. Moses was asked; “what commandment is first of all” and he answered, and said: “O Israel the lord our God is one Lord.” Jesus was asked; “what commandment is first of all” and Jesus answered, and said unto them: Mark 12:29: Jesus replied, “The most important commandment is this: ‘Listen, O Israel! The LORD our God is the one and only LORD.’ This is exactly what was given by Moses 1400 years before without the changing of a dot.
Muhammad (pbuh) said: “…He is Allah, Allah the one and only, the eternal the absolute.
Report Post »tzion
Posted on January 18, 2012 at 7:17pm@Surhan
Report Post »Did anybody name their religion back then? The term Judaism comes from the fact that it was practiced by Jews/Judeans. In the time of Moses, the followers of the code of law he brought forth were the Israelites, or Children of Israel. Moses came to establish a covenant between G-d and Israel.
As a Jew, I personally reject the concept of Jesus being the son of G-d as well as the very idea of divine offspring (unless you consider all of creation to be G-d’s children). Was Jesus monotheistic? Yes. Did he follow the precise system established by Mohamed? No. I do not know if either Jesus or Mohamed were prophets or if both were, though what I’ve read of Jesus and his teachings portrays him, in my opinion, to be a teacher of the sort that would later be known as Rabbis.
The rest of your statement is reasonable, though I still feel calling Jesus or Moses Muslims is misleading in meaning. Draw comparisons if you wish, but avoid misleading labels.
SurhanSurhan
Posted on January 18, 2012 at 7:56pm@ TZION- ” though I still feel calling Jesus or Moses Muslims is misleading in meaning. Draw comparisons if you wish, but avoid misleading labels.”
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From the time of Adam (pbuh) to the advent of Muhammad (pbuh) all of the prophets and messengers of God came with the same fundamental message: Obey God, worship Almighty God, fulfill God’s purpose in life and do good actions. If you do these things you will be rewarded with another life.
They all submitted their will to God’s will; in the Arabic language (the language of the final prophet) they are Muslim, because Islam means to submit. A person that submits is called a Muslim. The religion these men (Adam to Muhammad) followed was Islam but it was not called Islam until the Qur’an. The final prophet was a culmination of all the other prophets.
God told Muhammad through the Angel Gabriel in the Qur’an: “…today I have perfected your religion; and created Islam as your religion.”
Report Post »tzion
Posted on January 18, 2012 at 8:09pm@Surhan
Report Post »How about instead of using the capitalized Muslim, a proper noun, we refer to them as muslims, a title not associated with a particular belief system. Your using the literal word not the proper noun we generally see. I can accept that as your way of perceiving the facts.
SurhanSurhan
Posted on January 18, 2012 at 9:59pm@ TZION- “How about instead of using the capitalized Muslim, a proper noun, we refer to them as muslims, a title not associated with a particular belief system. Your using the literal word not the proper noun we generally see.”
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Muslim is an Arabic word with an Arabic definition. How bout we use the word and the definition of the word the way it was intended. To do otherwise would be like me telling you the Hebrew word shalom does not mean peace in English.
tzion
Posted on January 19, 2012 at 12:19amUm, isn’t that what I said. You’re not using Muslim as in “follower of the laws of Islam”, you’re using muslim as in “one who submits”.
Report Post »SurhanSurhan
Posted on January 19, 2012 at 1:14am@ TZION- “Um, isn’t that what I said. You’re not using Muslim as in “follower of the laws of Islam”, you’re using muslim as in “one who submits”.
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We’re going in circles here. The word is used with both definitions. There is no such religion called Judaism or Christianity. These are made up names for made up religions. If Muslim means “one who submits” submits to what or who….To Allah. How do we know what Allah wants? Through the Qur’an and Sunnah (sayings and teachings of Muhammad). So to use the word as a proper-noun/noun is correct.
spirited
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:19amThis kinda makes the ‘Hattfields and MacCoys’ seem rational.
Report Post »jb.kibs
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 1:00amdoesn’t it…
Report Post »objectivetruth
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 8:54amHatfields and Mccoys are the epitome of rational thinking compared to this.They in fact were practicing clan[scotch irish]law.It was allowed to get out of hand even by our standards.I’m trying to stop sharia law.If, however it does go through, those who still know the old clan laws will ask the courts to reconize our right to practice clan law.Wife beating muslims will be on the chopping block.Old law provides that if any man shall strike his wife feloniously his wife shall be allowed to kill him.If she should defer it will pass to his parents to kill him.The only exeception is if they have children.In which case he is punished with a severe beating the first time,He is subjected to death the second time.Men who rape and wife beaters are considered a endangerment to humanity,
Report Post »Twobyfour
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 9:44amWell, you described only a half of it. These clan laws were predicated on a social contract that also defined behavior of women. The deference to husband was the flip side, and hypergamous cuckoldry/adultery was subject to severe sanctions. Bastard children had lower status and were excluded from inheritance.
Today’s wenches, a considerable portion of them, would not fare well under clan laws.
Report Post »objectivetruth
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 11:35am@two by Four
Report Post »You are partially right.However on the frontier what was considered adultery was quite different.Part of a marriage ban reading ,might include the provision of the wife marrying her husbands brother or even father if he died.Furthermore some clans didn’t consider adultery to be applicable if the husband was a wife beater,true sot or for all practicle reasons would be considered abandoning their family.
tom
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:18amThe religion of peace. My A##!
Report Post »NOBAMA201258
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 9:47am@TOM – ISLAM – It‘s Satan’s Laws Against Mankind These animals are always being protected by the media,the show abc news did on islam with diane sawyer had so many lies in it I thought diane should have been wearing a burqa! Why would they distort what this false religion is about? Check out http://www.answering islam.com if you haven’t already,I think the msm is an enemy of America
Report Post »pamela kay
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:16amWell all I can say is urinating in these people when they loose their lives is understandable. Hanging them, beheading them, dragging their bodies? No. Honestly there is evil in the world and these people are infact evil.
Report Post »Marsh626
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:14amThe digital jihad strikes again…
Report Post »Free2speakRN
Posted on January 17, 2012 at 12:09amNice Guys.
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