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• Dem Congressman Claims There’s a Major Historical Error in ‘Lincoln’

  February 6, 2013 at 12:24pm

  In reply to dublinthewagons.

  The South’s secession was illegal in Lincoln’s eyes, and I believe rightfully so, because they were trying to institute a new government on a false premise. KID, you were quoting the Declaration of Independance, but it goes on to say…”We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,—That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing
  its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”
  Lincoln’s presidency meant their eventual end to their institution of slavery, and that was only destructive to their “right” to enslave people, of which there is no right, not to their life of liberty.

• Dem Congressman Claims There’s a Major Historical Error in ‘Lincoln’

  February 6, 2013 at 11:46am

  In reply to Lordchamp.

  More excerpts from a speech by Alexander Stephens, vice president of the confederacy. And just so you know, the “cornerstone” he speaks of is the institution of slavery.

  “The great objects of humanity are best attained when there is conformity to his laws and decrees,
  in the formation of governments as well as in all things else. Our confederacy is founded upon
  principles in strict conformity with these laws. This stone which was rejected by the first builders
  “is become the chief of the corner”—the real “corner-stone”—in our new edifice….Looking to the distant future, and, perhaps, not very far distant either, it is not beyond the range of possibility, and even probability, that all the great States of the north-west will gravitate this way, as well as Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas, etc. Should they do so, our doors
  are wide enough to receive them, but not until they are ready to assimilate with us in principle.”

  Sounds pretty prominent to me!

• Dem Congressman Claims There’s a Major Historical Error in ‘Lincoln’

  February 6, 2013 at 11:22am

  In reply to theBru.

  Ok, this is an excerpt from a speech given by Alexander Stepens (vice president of the confederacy) shortly after Lincoln’s inauguration.

  “The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating
  questions relating to our peculiar institution—African slavery as it exists amongst us—the proper
  status of the ***** in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture
  and present revolution. Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the “rock upon which the
  old Union would split.” He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But
  whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be
  doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time
  of the formation of the old constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation
  of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically… Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They
  rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error….Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its
  corner-stone rests upon the great truth, that the ***** is not equal to the white man; that slavery—
  subordination to the superior race—is his natural and normal condition.”

  While there was talk of duties and other oppositions, there was no doubt that this was the catalys