An illegally obtained document doesn’t make the contains incorrect. A forged document, most likely. But an illegally obtained official document is still an official document.
I guess we’ll just have to wait and see how this story unfolds.
 May 22, 2015 at 3:33pm
Then they obtained Sealed documents illegally. Which would align with the reports coming about today of the documents being approved for destruction. Either way, the reports are out in the open, and Josh Duggar has publicly admitted to the wrong doing without disagreeing with any of the reports content. My original point (“That is not simply teenage hormones”) remains.
 May 22, 2015 at 3:09pm
Barber2 – the link I provided above has the documents. As do several other sites. And I’ve been here for years. I listen to Patriot radio, which is how I learned of the site.
 May 22, 2015 at 2:58pm
@2God – It’s official because there was a court hearing yesterday relating to the documents. One of the victims asked a judge to destroy the police report and all documents relating to the case in fear of an unredated version getting out with the victims names included. The judge granted the request.
Whether or not the police report was obtained legally or not (or whether I like that it was or not) is irrelevant to the substance of the report itself. Either way, it is an official report obtained through FOIA. Don’t try to change the subject. The acts described within the report are disgusting and should be reviled by anyone (regardless of politics or religion) who reads them. Not defended.
 May 22, 2015 at 2:04pm
“James (Jim Bob) said that about 9 months later, in March of 2003, there was another incident. James said [[Redacted]] was reading to [[Redacted]] and [[Redacted]] was sitting on (his) lap, (he) had touched [[Redacted]] bre*sts and v*ginal area. James said that [[Redacted]] then ran out of the room and called [[Redacted]] and told [[Redacted]] what (he – Josh) had done. James also said that sometime during this time frame, [[Redacted]] has been standing in the laundry room and (Josh) had put (his) hand under [[Redacted]] dress.” – Jim Bob’s statement to police, police report page 15.
No offical police report is released, unless, of course, there is an illegal copy. Are you ok with someone breaking the law by releasing sealed documents?
Whether or not the police report was obtained legally or not (or whether I like that it was or not) is irrelevant to the substance of the report itself. Either way, it is an official report obtained through FOIA. Don't try to change the subject. The acts described within the report are disgusting and should be reviled by anyone (regardless of politics or religion) who reads them. Not defended.
Re: "released through FOIA" - Not possible for FOIA does not allow the release of sealed records. Again, how do you know for a fact that the document released is valid? You are makeing an assumption from a document that you hold to be legal, valid item. I refute. The law refutes.
I'm not defending any action by anyone; including the 15 year old boy who has sex with a 13 year old girl who then murders the unborn child. Any action that is a sin is a sin and cannot be defended.
Atrum: How did you get access to this ( alleged ) information . Who sent you here ?
@2God - It's official because there was a court hearing yesterday relating to the documents. One of the victims asked a judge to destroy the police report and all documents relating to the case in fear of an unredated version getting out with the victims names included. The judge granted the request.
Barber2 - the link I provided above has the documents. As do several other sites. And I've been here for years. I listen to Patriot radio, which is how I learned of the site.
I've confirmed that juvinal records are NOT subject to FOIA request. Therefore your assertion and the assertion of the source you pointed to are wrong. This record could not have come from a FOIA request.
Then they obtained Sealed documents illegally. Which would align with the reports coming about today of the documents being approved for destruction. Either way, the reports are out in the open, and Josh Duggar has publicly admitted to the wrong doing without disagreeing with any of the reports content. My original point ("That is not simply teenage hormones") remains.
You still don't know what happen, you made assumptions based upon, at best, an illegal document, and at worse, a forged one.
An illegally obtained document doesn't make the contains incorrect. A forged document, most likely. But an illegally obtained official document is still an official document.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see how this story unfolds.
I only point out that you are making assertions upon a document that is either illegal or fordged. In either case, it is not prudent to base accusations and positions upon said document.
Now, having said that, I am of the position, based upon Josh's own words and the words of his parents, that he committed a sin. A sin against multiple people. Supposedly this was handled over 10 years ago but yet, because of this revelation, he has, properly, resigned his job. His wife and his wifes parents where notified, by Josh, of his sin years before they dated. This was not, obviously, swept under the rug, but a light shined upon HIS actions – just not in news media “public”.
So now the question is this; Is it the right of everyone to hear of every child's actions? How about the victims, do they get a say in what should happen in a case like this? Should we hold children in court for hitting another child? How about a child that runs over another child with a bike? How about a child that hits another with a ball? Should all these actions (which, BTW, are illegal actions under “assault”) be made public?
So, the guy can't even be trusted not to touch his younger sisters? I'm going to throw up. Touching your sister like that is so unacceptable as to be unforgivable. So what about the times this went on & it wasn't tattled? He knew it was wrong & he did it anyway. Throw him to the ******* wolves. And now he's married & they will probably have kids & what happens when they have a girl child? This is basic right & wrong he's not getting here.
2GodB - you sound like you are looking for a way to ignore the fact that this kid molested four of his sisters and a family friend. Then his parents lied to the church about his treatment being police connected and sent him off to a work site for months instead of counselling. The fact that freedom of info act was used to release them may not sound correct to you, but it was used and these are now facts.
The state in which the event occured exempts those records from FOIA. That is the law. Therefore whoever states that it was a FOIA release is incorrect - including you. Might want to check FOIA laws.
 May 22, 2015 at 1:20pm
4EverHis – He was 14 according to that very police report. The first incident quoted was March 2002. His birthday is in March 1988.
There is a police report from 2006 that was gained through FOI. Authorities were called. They just didn’t do anything.
May 22, 2015 at 10:34am
monkeyshines, considering the report talks of “b reasts” (not sure if the word is censored here), I’m guessing the sisters involved were the eldest four. Which would mean the ages would be 12, 11, 9 and 8. I’m not saying this makes it any better, but judging from the show, he’s closest to those four sisters.
Also, not all of them were asleep. According to one report, one of them was reading when he committed the act. Which is even more disturbing.
May 21, 2015 at 3:22pm
“Legal” being the operative word there.
 May 15, 2015 at 11:16am
The Big-Bang hasn’t been recently proven wrong. Just questioned with a very strong hypothesis. The hypothesis still needs to go through a lot of testing before it throws the Big Bang Theory out.
And yes, theories can be proven wrong. Something else just needs to go through all the same trials and testing before we agree that the new line of thought is the most likely to have occurred. Welcome to Science.
 May 15, 2015 at 10:24am
“I am disturbed to see McDonald’s ads appearing once again on episodes of Fox’s Family Guy;”
Ahh, so they will watch a rotten TV show and then complain that a company advertises on the rotten TV show.
This was the first thought I had too.... they had to be watching to know who was advertising. It's that simple.
To say Family Guy promotes pedophillia is simply ignorant and false. On CSI they solve a murder during each episode. Are they promoting murder?
May 14, 2015 at 4:42pm
The other figure I thought was really interesting was the “income by religion” with respect to the Unaffiliated – Nothing in particular (with it’s subcategories “religion important” and “religion not important”).
The full report from Pew actually shows where people are moving to. Roughly half of those going from unaffiliated to affiliated went to one form or another of Christianity. Strangely, a large chunk (12%) went to Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormon (8%). That’s quite a shift in belief.
Catholics saw the largest amount leave to “unaffiliated” (28% of those polled who identify as unaffiliated but were raised Catholic).
Thanks much for the link. I wasn't horribly satisfied with some of the methodology they used (it's mostly a birthrate projection), but it was an enlightening projection.
Yeah, that's gotta be wrong. If the rate of people becoming Christians in China remains steady (which is not likely, since it seems to be growing instead of remaining steady), there will be just under 1 billion new Christians in China by 2050.
 May 14, 2015 at 3:47pm
I actually posted the pew figures in another article showing this. They are certainly interesting numbers. I think it also goes with a lot of non-believing individuals looking into the Bible themselves. Many go into it out of curiosity and others to look for counters to theists. Either way, it’s not really surprising that some would come out of that believers. I was surprised to see that it was almost 50% though.
Yes, I saw that post, and am glad someone else apparently noticed it, also.
The other figure I thought was really interesting was the "income by religion" with respect to the Unaffiliated - Nothing in particular (with it's subcategories "religion important" and "religion not important").
When you come from a belief system that tells you, you have no purpose (atheism), its not as hard to accept that you do have a purpose for being here and come to a belief in God.
 May 14, 2015 at 2:36pm
There is an interesting figure in those latest Pew figures. Everyone is latching on to the movement of people from faith to “unaffiliated”. But what no one is talking about is the movement of people from atheism to faith. 1 in 5 people raised in a community of faith now identify as non-religious. However, nearly half of everyone raised with no religion are now part of a religion.
May 14, 2015 at 1:28pm
Yeah, reading it certainly didn’t make me go “Oh Yes! This is so good! I should convert to this awesome faith and make sure everyone follows this!”
 May 14, 2015 at 11:10am
As much as it makes me wonder, I also own a Quran (though a considerably less ostentatious looking one), so I can’t really condemn her for simply having one.