JWs back then believed that WW2 was the beginning signs of the battle of Armageddon, and they are still preaching the end is coming, any day now. 1914 was the beginning of the time of the end and the generation that saw WW1 would still be alive when the final judgment day of god came. 2014 marks 100 years of the Watchtower’s end of the world predictions– and nothing has happened , yet. JWs believe that 99.9% of the earth will be destroyed by God and only JWs will survive.
Benk... Please allow me to straighten you out a little on a few things... “JWs back then believed that WW2 was the beginning signs of the battle of Armageddon, and they are still preaching the end is coming, any day now.” That was never preached, rather, it was taught that the peace enjoyed by during the lull between WW1 and WW2 wouldn't last. And it didn't. And it was also taught that the League of nations would resurface, and it did as the United Nations. Yes, the preaching work is going on, the end is coming any day now, but those were words Jesus used, '... keep awake, you do not know the day or the hour...' so that message is just repeating what is in the Bible.
“1914 was the beginning of the time of the end and the generation that saw WW1 would still be alive when the final judgment day of god came.” 1914 saw the end of the gentile times, not the beginning of the time of the end, and as far as a generation is concerned, that generation is still alive, it is the same as the twisted generation Jesus saw in his time. They haven't gone away.
“2014 marks 100 years of the Watchtower’s end of the world predictions– and nothing has happened , yet. “ Tell the audience, what's going to happen tomorrow, exactly. I certainly can't, I doubt you can, so I just keep on the watch, like Jesus said.
“JWs believe that 99.9% of the earth will be destroyed by God and only JWs will survive.” Never been taught, not by the numbers you give anyway.
Thanks Blaze, for printing this article.
April 27, 2013 at 1:12pm
I once worked at a union foundry that made engine blocks for Chrysler- our foundry regularly received awards for producing the highest quality blocks in the USA, lowest costs and the lowest percentage of scrap. In 2005 Daimler started buying their truck engine blocks from Brazil. A year later, after our foundry closed, they cost of engine blocks doubled and that cost was passed on to the customer. They couldn’t even get one of those Brazillian made blocks to go 100,000 miles on their dyno before blowing up=solution? Change the test criteria and pass the blocks anyway. Chrysler wouldn’t work with our foundry to implement cost saving solutions, nope, they already had a deal to buy from Brazil- they paid more money for lower quality blocks and IMO, they got backdoor kickbacks sent to Germany- something they couldn’t achieve with a USA foundry.
April 27, 2013 at 12:59pm
The postal service is in trouble , because Americans have stopped sending letters/cards (they email and text), business has stopped sending bills ( we use online bill pay, too) and our government has stopped mailing checks– direct deposit/debit card accounts. It was a common inside joke in the automobile industry that autoworkers could work for $1/hr and the car companies would have only lowered the price of a new car by $1000- labor in many cases isn’t the major cost for a business.
April 27, 2013 at 12:51pm
I see a lot of unpaid big business/banker minions who employ nothing but ad hominem attacks here. We all must know that big business was behind NAFTA and all the other give away trade agreements that have created a real long term unemployment rate of over $15%.
Unions fought against sending good jobs overseas, to no avail. Thanks to slick advertising, Americans prefer 20 pairs of cheap foreign made shoes in their closet instead of 3 or 4 pairs on American made shoes, which is how it used to be.
Hostess wasn’t paying their scheduled pension payments either, so one more contract would have been another three years of unpaid pension payments. Individual workers weighted their options and in the end they individually decided they wouldn’t sell their labor to Hostess for the low ball wage offer they offered. Anyone who has been inside a bakery, knows it’s not a pleasant job.
Businesses depend on taxpayer funded government scams like the earned income tax credit to provide an extra $3000+ in income to boost the poverty wages some businesses pay. It’s a neat trick how business offloads living costs of minimal wage workers onto the taxpayers, otherwise they might have to pay $10/hr or more to find help. Many Walmart workers get food stamps, free Obamaphones, medicade, HUD Section 8 housing and in return Walmart sells us cheap Asian made merchandise.
Also, we need to index the minimum wage to Congressional salary increases, that might fix some of the injustice.
April 26, 2013 at 9:05pm
It was actually a good business decision for the union members to vote NO, to more Hostess concessions. The company was in a planned death spiral and needed one more union concession to max out their profits, before they bankrupted the company on THEIR timetable.
The dept of Labor, agreed a few months ago that imported bakery products contributed to the failure of Hostess and gave the laid off Hostess workers a year of unemployment and generous job retraining. So rather than take a cut in pay from $30K to $20K a year, they can retrain for a job that pays a real living wage.
The unions caused the death spiral.
Nice way to spin the truth though.
It must really stink to be so inept that you need a union to hold your hand through life.
If you mean by "living wage" collecting unemployment while watching TV all day, you're right. We both know you're trying to spin a dog-pile like a top.
Just thinking...How many jobs have the unions run overseas???
Somebody has been drinking the kool-aid...
Your whole post cannot be substantiated.
Based on your comment, it's better to stand your ground and lose everything than help the cause for the betterment of the good.
Hostess' labor contracts were unsustainable at best. Right, wrong, or indifferent, the union had a choice and they made the wrong one and 30,000 fine folks lost their job.
I bet you have a job, and it's easy to make your claims while collecting a paycheck.
All I have to say is f**k unions - 2 of the factories I worked for closed mostly because of the union and they never did a damn thing for me while I was there except take my money and tell me to vote for progressive democrats. I now have a non union machinist job that pays way way more than I ever made with the union shops with better retirement, insurance, profit sharing and get treated way better than I ever did anywhere else. Won't ever make the mistake of working with a union EVER again..........
Well then...good for that union, for making such a “wise” tactical move. Now, all their people have to do is some how survive the next 3.5 years without a job, and pray that the adults finally return into the room in the 2016 election cycle. Then, and only then...maybe...they can put all their “new training” to good use in any of the new jobs that will be created, because from now until that distant possibility, welcome to the real world, where if you have a job at all, you better be grateful, and at the same time fearful, and realize, the days of being an arrogant a$$ towards your boss and your company are over, and things are NOT done your way. Because these days, "walking" only gets you broke. That is the real world today. Thank you for that you stupid fool!!!
I guess 18000 people that got fired and went jobless really benefited from it. And yeah with this economy it must be really easy for all those people to find a 'real living wage job'.
Millions of good, honest manufacturing jobs in the US went to China because of the union BS. Where seniority is everything and work performance means nothing. F the unions. They are part of the reason why we don't have any fricking jobs in this country. That, and over GD regulation and meddling by the federal govt goons. (spit on ground)
It was a good thing unions voted no, for Twinkie that is as obviously, they will survive. It's good to see proof that unions were/are the problem.
As for their retraining, I can seem them needing lessons on welfare management.
F the unions.....
Sorry bud but you are mouthing the union talking points. Have you ever worked WITH union employees? I have-they are for the most part worthless money suckers. You need to get some real-life education.
American Motors(Rambler/Hudson/Nash) went out of business because of the ONLY UNION strike in their history!! Their PROFIT-MARGIN was already trim-as-possible and the $$HUNGRY-UNION-LEADERS still wanted to squeeze!! They went into the toilet some years later because of BIG-GM, and BIG-FORD continually raising their UNION-MADE parts-prices!! AMC used starters and alternators (and a few other parts) from GM and FORD for compatibility of replacement by the consumer.
There is no-way a company can start or re-start with the COMMIE-UNIONS-MONEY-GRABBERS and their thousand-pages un-readable(democ-rat-HairyReid-style) contracts stealing more dollars than made!!
Dream on pal. Retrain for a job that you can never get, especially if you are over 45 or 50. Try going from $50,000 a year to $6.75 and hour, wearing a vest as a greeter at Wal-Mart. "Living wage"?
HA HA HA, HAAARRDY HAR HAR! You can take that from an Auto Industry Road Kill.
Are you a writer for Pravda? Did you get the info from Georgie Boy Soros? Sure looks like it!!
Unions killed the Twinkies, when will America wake up and get rid of this cancer on our country.
Wow, Obammy needs you on the labor board especially after a judge ruled all of his appointments to it were unconstitutional. Your ideology would fit right in
Since when is making no money a good life choice? They could have keep their jobs and taken classes to better themselves just like millions of other people.
they won't though. They never do.
Another union broken into a thousand pieces. How's that feel, Obama?
I guess you slept through the death spiral the Union put Hostess through. The Unions are on their way out because those of us who think in America are teaching the others how to think - pretty soon, no one will buy your Communist propaganda which makes the Union Bosses and Politicians rich.
Although not a Twinkie eater, I am glad to see the company re-open. I have been on both sides of dealing with a union and have seen what unreasonable union reps can do to the harmony of a work place. And that's putting it nicely. They always want it their way regardless if it contradicts the last decision. A Right to Work state is the only way to go; people and businesses have a choice. And that's what the liberals always preach, IE a woman's choice, etc. I have lived in an area where union violence has gravely injured someone and another person was killed. That person happened to be a union striker that thought he could stop an 18 wheeler and was accidentally dragged and ran over from the driver's blind side. The driver was just making a delivery to the striking plant. While responsible union representation can be helpful, striking for unrealistic goals never helps the worker in the long run. Even if they get a raise, it never makes up for the lost wages of months long strikes, nor reimbursement of other fiscal repercussions during that period. And the union bosses get their money regardless. I also disagree with the insincerity of initial contract talks from both sides. It seems to be a given that one side asks too much while another offers too little. And it drags on until the one side blinks first and gives in. I have even seen a union contract settled even though the majority of union members voted against it. Again the union bosses prevailed.
Alright, here it is: Why in the world are you guys fighting over who's smarter based entirely on an argument about unions?
Let's solve this problem.
Benkhanobe, here's the evidence you provided: "Hostess, which already was in Bankruptcy Court, shut down in November after a strike by unionized bakers." You used this one sentence as evidence that it wasn't the unions that took them under, and that the unions were smart for striking when they did. however, how smart are the unions for striking when their company is already in debt, as this sentence from the link you provided shows. While I agree that Hostess was probably already in debt as I noticed a moderate price-rise in Twinkies several months before it shut down (I was a twinkie-lover :3), I think that it could've come out of it due to the american addiction to the food (I'm a part of it :3).
The rest of you need to take a page from Glenn Beck's book, and DO YOUR OWN HOMEWORK!!! Not a shred of evidence was seen against Beckhanobe's argument. The only things I saw were belittlement and name-calling.
Hopefully, we are all Seekers of Truth here. And, as "Truth-Seekers", we should be treating each other's ideas with respect, tolerance, and an open, yet skeptical, mind.
I can't beleive Hostess lasted as long as it did!.Someone in upper MGT should have been fired.That stupid rule stating that Twinkies couldn't be on one of the trucks that carried bread - DUMB. To get around that Hostess should have just folded up then. That is what I would call job security though!
You are really not very bright are you. You choose to IGNORE that actual facts about the union and the ongoing strike that killed the Hostess Company and ended twinkies.
How sad that your mother raised a lamebrain; I bet she is really embarrassed.
FACT: The UNION was striking for HIGHER wages and turned down several offers from the company, being greedy and wanting more.
FACT: The company going BANKRUPT and closing the plant cost the UPPER over paid Union Thugs NOTHING, they kept their BLOATED salaries as the let the workers they were suppose to represent and protect lose their jobs.
Actually, it was a very foolish decision to vote no. It was a member lead up decision and that on top of some very bad past mismanagement lead to the downfall. Hostess could have possibly recovered but the newer management came into a company severely underwater and with obligations to the unions that would have made it very difficult at best to recover.
You can read about such here:
I worked for a local automotive parts distributor in 87'. My fellow workers were ALL UAW members and insisted I need to join their union and PAY DUES! When I asked what the union would do to EARN the dues, there wasn't much of an answer! we have picnics and outings.. wow things i can do myself without PAYING anyone for the privilege!
Within hours of stating I would prefer not to join their union, it became the most hostile work experience I have ever had! My tires were slashed, my uniforms were mysteriously stolen from a locked locker and I was forced to re do an inventory in the warehouse on christmas eve, even though we had taken inventory the week prior! There were other things but most were childish pranks until I was threatened by a co-worker who yelled across the lot that he would break my legs.
I was fired about fifteen minutes later after confronting the loud mouth who wasn't all that convinced in a face to face confrontation that he could actually back up his threat! and i was fired for threatening him??? they claimed I created a hostile work environment!!
UNIONS CAN ALL GO TO HELL!
And we are to believe the Dept. of Labor statistics! This government is so corrupt that they will say anything to suck up to the unions. While you sit in praise of all the government freebees that were given to these union workiers, you "sucker" are picking up the tab for all the government intervention and retraining. These greedy employees should have been happy to have jobs. Ultimately, the unions are becoming a thing of the past and praise the Lord for the only ones to benefit are the union bosses and thugs.
In a similar situation about thirty years ago, the largest union decided that they were going to get pay equalized with all their plants. The workers in the copper field knew that management couldn't manage to pay that much. Iorn and steel workers from back east had a highter cost of living because ot the states they were in, so they tied to inform the Steelworkers that they were killing he goose that laid the golden egg. The steelworkers leadership refused to even consider a compromize, so every copper producer in th e country went on strike and thousands of workers lost their jobs when the companies filed bankruptcy! As I understand the problem, the Baker's uinion went ahead and pushed for the strike which cost a lot of people their jobs when there wren't many jobs. Unions no longer represent ptople whom have to work fof a living! We don't give a damn if we shut down every mill, mine, and refinery in the nation we're going to get a fair wage. How fair is no job? Many of those people had worked there for years, and planned to do so for a lot longer. What sort o Union will do something like this? THE KIND WHO DOESN'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THE WORKERS THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO PROTECT.
At the tender age of 11, I was suddenly removed from my elementary classroom in the middle of class and whisked out of town, to a secret location. We, all my brothers and sisters, stayed in hiding for over three weeks...Why? Because the union was trying to infiltrate my father's factory (he made sporting gloves), and in response to his refusal to allow the union in, the union threatened my father with kidnapping and death of his children. This was the face that I saw of unions as a child. It made a lasting impression. I have disliked, intensely, unions ever since. Their threats and strong-armed ways made my father's life hell for over a year. To my father's credit, he stood his ground.
Unions are the bane of the American economy, and have, in my opinion, done more harm than good. I find your assessment very lacking in truth.
Sir, unions have harmed my city (where this very bakery is located). They kept wanting to drain Hostess more and more. 300+ have lost their jobs because of that bakers union.
Kansas is a right-to-work state. Being forced to join a union as a condition of employment is in violation of Kansas State Law.
Not using the very same union is a smart idea by the LLC.
Kansas is a "right to work" state and union membership is optional. Or in other words, stay the hell away.
If they can find one.
They will NEVER make the equivalent of their old wages. Why should anyone live on the government teat for a year? Oh yeah - they will mek more that way than if they actually have to comete in the marketplace.
April 26, 2013 at 8:50pm
I see a lot of obsequious stooges for big business here. Hostess was killed off by predatory hedge funds and a profit hungry board of directors, that after obtaining 2 concessions from unions in 10 years, gave that extra profit away as bonuses to upper management and fat dividends, rather than invest in modernizing the bakeries . I worked at Chrysler and the Germans stripped Chrysler, too- then flipped it to a hedge fund, Cerebus Capitol. What was their plan to run Chrysler? bring out a couple new products already in the pipeline and then spin/sell off Jeep and Dodge trucks to reap a fat profit, while the rest of the company is carved up like a Thanksgiving turkey.
Had GM and Chrysler been allowed to go bankrupt, all the tier one and two parts suppliers would have gone under, taking Ford down with them.
The tripping point for car sales in 2008 was the implementation of front running computer trading and commodity index funds which doubled the price of gasoline in 4 years.
We found out the real cost of oil in January-March of 2009 when all the speculative money fled commodities for Treasury bonds– gasoline was $1.75-85 gal. People have short memory. Go ahead , bend over and let the bankers jam it up your keester= they are the real thugs.
Yep, I remember gas was $1.65 here in Florida back in Jan 2009.
The Commodities Modification Act of 2000 that Clinton signed into law in Jan 2000 didn't help things either and the Dot Com bust that came soon after was just a trial run. IMHO
The more they meddle with capitalism, the worse things get. We haven't had true, unbridled capitalism for years. For one thing, it requires morality to function properly.
i kinda agree......
the SYSTEM has to be moral, because many individuals won't be.
The left and right agree on this. (voters, not politicians)
The problem is the relationship between Wall St. & Washington.
left blames the banks.
right blames the politicians.
why would anyone defend EITHER side..... ever?
Nooooo !!!!!!!!! Not the horrible hedge fund manager. I thought we sent them all to hell!!!!!!!!! I am a teacher and I like most teachers have a retirement fund. And like most funds there is a hedge fund manager managing my money. Now I find out he is trying to make a profit for me with my money. How can we stop this? If we are not careful I will have enough money to live well when I retire. I was hoping only to eat garbage when I get older. Plus you tell me this manager is putting money into companies that are paying people to work. I bet they will get a retirement plan too. When will it all end?
If what you are telling me is true the guy who just started and only puts twinkies in a box all day makes 250 times less than someone else in the company. Just because his job is something I could teach a trained monkey to do does not give someone else the right to make more money. How dare you make more money than a trained monkey. I love monkeys. Did you know some monkeys get more bananas than other monkeys. Also I would like to complain about the fact that the guy who begs on the corner makes less that a brain surgeon. I think it might be 250 times less. If thats true we should all try and eliminate brain surgeons. I hate those bastards.
Once again we get the inane spew of lies from some liberal union lover that knows NO truth just "talking Points" from the left wing union thugs.
The Company was in trouble and LOSING money; It had nothing, zero, zip to do with any "investors" (Who would be stupid enough to invest in a company sinking like the Titanic?).
What killed this company are the nonsensical "work rules" forced on by the Unions over the years. Another dummy wanted to blame the Company for the "No Bread and Twinkies on the same truck" rule; Try a UNION demand to create more union members.
ALL level headed INTELLIGENT investors and analysts will tell you that the union demands and refusal to bargain killed this company, just as they have numerous others.