The feds, USFS, NPS, and BLM love these because one of their goals is to show how expensive wildland fires are as a propaganda tool. I had 33 years in California, that has the worst fire conditions in the country. Smaller aircraft that get to the fire in its insipient stages (before it goes nuclear) are far more effective. California has a fleet of re-manufactured Grumman S-2 Tracker aircraft with altered airframes and turbo prop power plants and does not rely on the mega planes. The large aircraft, including the antiquated MARS flying boat are not effective on large fires as they have to drop from too high of an altitude; are unable to slow to an effective drop speed; and cannot pinpoint drops to aid firefighters in trouble. They COST huge amounts per hour and only aid the agency using them in the media because the media believes technology and money can put out fires. The chemical being dropped is a high grade fertilizer that puts out the fire by direct contact of the water-chemical slurry (removing heat); by removing oxygen (due to the reaction of the fertilizer to the heat of the flames); and coating the vegetation in front of the fire with a heat shield (removing fuel). The federal fire agencies benefit from the lowest employee to the top financially when they can keep fires going rather than putting them out. I personally was never on a fire in California more than eleven days total, the Feds have fires lasting months. LOSERS
Thanks, good post and thanks for pointing out the limited usefulness of these large aircraft in fighting fires.
January 8, 2014 at 1:47pm
Marine raiders in the Pacific would open the crimp on their all brass 12 ga. shells; take out the buckshot and using their K-bars make it into split shot; then link them together with a strand of commo wire; and then recrimp the shell. The term “chain shot” comes to mind. when any one piece of shot radically slowed down such as when encountering human flesh, the remaining elements of the “chain” would pivot to make contact as well. Many times this illegal modification of munitions would result in comple amputations of limbs and heads. I assume the limit of three projectiles on a short radius woul act similarly, but without the violence resulting from multiple rounds of buckshot.
December 31, 2013 at 3:04am
The reason that it’s getting disapproval is not a Party issue… it is purely and simply an issue of lack of goals and objectives. There is no apparent strategy, but our soldiers are dying for an unknown, undefined, unjustified purpose. I always thought that it would be really the pits to be the last to die in a war, but this thing hasn’t been run as a war for years and yet the body bags keep coming…. put the damn administration in BDU’s and send them over there with large bullseyes front and rear, then maybe it would end.
September 1, 2013 at 7:22pm
It is no secret in California, from the private contractors hired by the feds, to the local and district firefighters sent on mutual aid or assisitance by hire, to the CalFire folk that the federal agencies are more interested in keeping motorized equipment including air tankers, chainsaws, bull dozers, and engines ourt of their precious wilderness areas than putting the fires out. Until such time as the powers that be change the emphasis, we will continue to see large fires originating on federal land and then burning homes and cabins once the fires cross onto private lands.
September 1, 2013 at 7:17pm
Twaine Harte is a small community in the Sierra foothills. The Fire Department has no statutory role in the suppression of this fire, therefore, the Chief is offering his opinion that caries the same weight as the guy in line at Starbuck’s.
While he may be talking out his a$$, so are themajority of remarks being posted here. For your edification, pot growers are responsible for quite a few fires of consequence including one in 1987 that killed one firefighter and injured four others, several critically. The constant referral to Al Quaeda and jihadists is bull feathers. if this was the case, there would be an additional several hundred fire starts coinciding with this one particular fire. The Forest service and Park Service are economically incentavised to allow fires to continue to burn. The individual “firefighter who is normally neither a full time employee or a full-time firefighter stands to gain a substantial portion of their annual income, the longer they can stay on fires during a twelve month period. The Forest managers stand to increase their authorized workforce due to the fact that while their employees are committted to and incident, all base salary and benefits are charged to the “Emergency Fund” thereby allowing the manager to overhire personnel within their jurisdiction.
May 28, 2013 at 7:43pm
As a retired Deputy Chief for the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection with one son employed by Cal Fire in Northern California and the other an Army Seargent in EOD, I can say that Sgt Hille is one fine young man and I wish him the best in his career. He exemplifies the character of the best of our vetrans and firefighters in a most magnificent way. Thank you.
Your feelings are well spoken Sir. I to have a son in the service of our country. perhaps a soulfully thought out sonnet assist all of us?:
The Sheepdogs by Russ Vaughn
Most humans truly are like sheep
Wanting nothing more than peace to keep
To graze, grow fat and raise their young,
Sweet taste of clover on the tongue.
Their lives serene upon Life’s farm,
They sense no threat nor fear no harm.
On verdant meadows, they forage free
With naught to fear, with naught to flee.
They pay their sheepdogs little heed
For there is no threat; there is no need.
To the flock, sheepdog’s are mysteries,
Roaming watchful round the peripheries.
These fang-toothed creatures bark, they roar
With the fetid reek of the carnivore,
Too like the wolf of legends told,
To be amongst our docile fold.
Who needs sheepdogs? What good are they?
They have no use, not in this day.
Lock them away, out of our sight
We have no need of their fierce might.
But sudden in their midst a beast
Has come to kill, has come to feast
The wolves attack; they give no warning
Upon that calm September morning
They slash and kill with frenzied glee
Their passive helpless enemy
Who had no clue the wolves were there
Far roaming from their Eastern lair.
Then from the carnage, from the rout,
Comes the cry, “Turn the sheepdogs out!”
Thus is our nature but too our plight
To keep our dogs on leashes tight
And live a life of illusive bliss
Hearing not the beast, his growl, his hiss.
Sorry Sir took to posts to get it all:
Until he has us by the throat,
We pay no heed; we take no note.
Not until he strikes us at our core
Will we unleash the Dogs of War
Only having felt the wolf pack’s wrath
Do we loose the sheepdogs on its path.
And the wolves will learn what we’ve shown before;
We love our sheep, we Dogs of War.
2d Bn, 327th Parachute Infantry Regiment
101st Airborne Division
"We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." attributed to George Orwell
Here's a couple on the same theme by yours truly:
an American “Marseillaise”, to that tune, with the slight adaptation of a repeat of the first 4? Bars? The “top line” of the music.
“Arise ye children of Proud Liberty and hurl your bright steel at the foe.
‘Thus ever’ to the Spawn of Tyranny, and to all Nations where e’er It grows.
Seek the Monsters wherever they cower, lacking courage to face your brave blows.
Smite them down, smite them down, till the World
Is forever free of their terror.
And let not one be left alive
To spread the Evil of their Hate.
Rid from each land their foul pollution.
Strike now, with Freedom’s Might!
Destroy the Hosts of Night!
March on, March on, with valiant tread,
‘Till Tyranny is Dead.”
and this song I wrote for Pat Tillman, more in Vaughn's "tone".
To Pat Tillman
The bugle slowly dies away.
Like the cheering crowds before.
And what remains is memory,
And what you thought worth dying for.
You had everything we seek,
The Wealth of those who “play the game”.
But you laid it all aside,
To serve your country was your pride.
You were never afraid.
And I will not be afraid!
I will stand and fight with you.
No retreat and no regrets.
Hold high the Red and White and Blue.
No surrender, no defeat,
Whatever price I have to pay.
Never quit and never run,
Till the Victory is done.
I will not be afraid.
Once we had a host like you,
Who would stand for what was right.
Never give an inch of ground,
Never turn back from the fight.
Now those like you are all too few,
For we refuse to stand the pain.
But you thought Freedom worth the price,
even though it cost your life.
You were never afraid.
And I will not be afraid...etc
You were right, and we were wrong,
And now your glory will not fade.
What we have must be preserved,
Whatever price we have to pay.
Your Victory now is for all time,
And I will not let it go.
Though you paid the final cost,
Nothing that you loved is lost.
I will not be afraid.
And I will not be afraid...etc.
Excellent poem Roof.
Thank you for propagating it. I will now keep it in store for future posterity...just incase the Library of Alexandria is burned to cinders once again (Global EMP).
February 19, 2013 at 4:42pm
Most of these posts miss the entire point…. THE GUY IS A DRUG Grower/Manufacturer residing in an area of LAWLESSNESS and whic populated by a totally NON-LAW ABIDING Counter-culture. He IS NOT a prepper, collector, or 2nd Amendment activist he is a thief AND a criminal (drugs). If you venture too far off the main highways in this VERY UNIHABITED region, you are taking your life in your hands. Firefighters have come under fire on many occaisions and suffered one fatality and four serious/critical injuries on one incident related to a localized drug war . None of you can grasp the fact that millions of acres in Northern California are under the control of folks like this guy. Get a GRIP… all people with guns are not of the same intentions. I have my own “retreat” and am a gun owner/collector from way back, so I am not condemning this a##wipe based on the possession of firearms. He is one of the folks who will have guns no matter what laws are passed (me too), the difference being that he has no regard for your possessions or safety.
February 19, 2013 at 11:29am
With many years in public safety in Mendocino and Humboldt counties, I speak from experience. This guy is NOT a collector, NOT a prepper, NOT a conservative 2nd Amendment activist…. He’s a freakin grower/dealer. The “Emerald Triangle of California centers on Garbageville. Back in the 80′s there were sites with MaDeuce tripods and ammo for attempting to take out law enforcement, both on the ground and in helicopters and fixed wing. But again, nobody wants to deal with the reality of the differences between criminal element versus John Q Citizen
January 18, 2013 at 6:58pm
KEATON get a rip… As with most freakin’ liberals you have no concept of the military history of the globe. Hint: who won in Viet Nam? The guys with the carpet bombing, helicopters massive artillery, close air support on call? or those stinkin’ peasants running around in pajamas? How about Afreakinstan? they kicked out the British, the Russians, and now it’s a stalemate and we’ll be taking our toys and heading home. You don’t need ballistic missles when you outnumber the other force 100:1…
January 18, 2013 at 6:46pm
Does this mean that Time Warner will give back all of the money that they have made from their various combat histories, movies involving firearms, all of their histories of the Old West? I hope so because then I wouldn’t be tempted to refer to them as another example of liberal hypocracy…
January 9, 2013 at 2:34pm
I think the ATF official in Arizona is my alter-ego… I TOO sold my guns on the internet YEARS ago… really
December 3, 2012 at 7:11pm
It’s ABSOLUTLY ABSURED to base everything on TEN YEAR outlooks…. there is no WAY that future congresses or presidents or anybody else is going to honor any previous budget!
It’s real warm and fuzzy that the GOP is proposing 2.2 Tril cuts over the NEXT ten years. By golly, that’s the same amount NOT collected in FICA taxes! Let’s get real and quit playing with BIG ten tear numbers and just MAYBE look at a REAL budget for the coming fiscal year. What’s that? Oh we don’t concern ourselves with trivial things like BUDGETS…. it’s only the House’s most important job!
These fools have no intention of getting us back onto a firm financial footing. It’s time to have a tax boycott until a budget is passed!
I'm guessing the boycott started right after the election. Look at the behavior of most markets. They fell. This is deflationary and means tax collections will fall in the near future. It's the cheapest form of revolt we have. Starve the Beast!
The GOP had a budget in early 2010 it is harry reid that refuses to propose a budget and the President that has failed to bring anyone together to solve anything. His proposal is a joke that does not even cut any spending forget the 10 year plan
November 29, 2012 at 9:55pm
It’s not just $2,200 in average tax increases…. Its another $2,000 per wage earner in reinstated FICA taxes, the impact of the Alternative Minimum Tax, the 3.8% excise tax from Obummercare, increased inflation due to the continued printing of money, and the potential to LOSE our 401 Ks to the Gubbermint so that they can guarantee us a whopping 3% plus inflation plus a flat $600 per year instead of an annual tax deduction for contributing and some decent returns that we manage… The CLIFF is a freakin’ GORGE
November 23, 2012 at 1:39am
The barred owl is the competitor that is endangering the spotted owl, so the feds are talking about cutting its numbers down! Didn’t I read somewhere that you don’t mess with Mother Nature? Now they are also proposing that if an eagle nests in a tree on PRIVATE lands that nearly forty acres will be off limits to the owners for any use whatsoever… One only has to drive the roads throughout the west in timbered areas trying to find a working mill to see who or what is truly endangered.
June 24, 2012 at 1:59pm
Does the Air Farce plan on removing its WICCAN shrine at the Air Force Academy that the TAXPAYERS paid for? I think not… The Air Force has a role, but sometimes the people that count on them are more than a little disappointed (you might even say DEAD). Maybe a little time spent with a chaplain would help reduce some of that false pride and give them the strength to go into the valley for their brothers in arms…
June 13, 2012 at 1:35pm
In the socialist state of Washington it is illegal to trap or poison moles… In Thurston county (Olympia) they are protecting gophers as an endangered species and disallowing people use of their property in favor of the gophers living conditions….
THe libs are smart! they’re protecting teir food supply for when it hits the fan…
Prepping for Agen-duh 21? Return the Wild to Wild ? Also protected in the other Washington- as in D.C. They're exporting the rodents secretly to Virginia. Oh the irony.
May 28, 2012 at 1:41pm
In a nutshell….
First, show me where the Constitution bans ANYONE from practicing religion in or on any place public or private.
Second, show me where the federal government is allowed to REGULATE any person, group or entity in how they conduct their faith.
Third, States rights, you know, that icky 10th amendment? Says that anything not specifically granted to be the purview of the federal government is a State’s right.
The “Commerce Clause” is NOT grounds for the intrusion of the federal government into OUR LIVES in any way except to insure cooperation between STATES
As another poster inferred, Local legal entities are the basis of our governmental system, not the overarching BIG BROTHER that the leftists want o rule our lives. They have the right to conduct their business in any manner approved by their constituency.
The intent is to break all allegiances (including onto GOD) in order that we all become loyal subjects of the KING (aka the federal government).
And this is written by an agnostic, gun-toting, independent with an IQ over 140. The intent is to rip the moral fabric of America to shreds in order that we will give all of our allegiance to the secular leadership that ALLOWS us what THEY feel is in THEIR best interests. If they want to oppress us and take away our freedoms and ethics they best come with more than they’re showing me now.
Barry's waiting until after elections...If re-elected we will all see the evil he is capable of
"First, show me where the Constitution bans ANYONE from practicing religion in or on any place public or private.
Second, show me where the federal government is allowed to REGULATE any person, group or entity in how they conduct their faith."
You have no understanding of the law in this matter.
"Third, States rights, you know, that icky 10th amendment? Says that anything not specifically granted to be the purview of the federal government is a State’s right.
The “Commerce Clause” is NOT grounds for the intrusion of the federal government into OUR LIVES in any way except to insure cooperation between STATES"
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
May 21, 2012 at 1:08am
What a hoot!… If he was Amish he’d run the risk of an FDA or USDA SWAT team breaking down his door to see if there was any unpasturized yogurt in the cooler… Just sayin’
May 11, 2012 at 9:43pm
The 2 Dads T-shirt can justbe done in blue since gay men only adopt male children. Statistics show that 78% of gay males admit to having sex with boys below the age of consent. Staistics also show that less than 4% of gays in a “committed relationship” stay monogamous over five years and that less than 1 in 7 gays enters into a “committed relationship”. Gay males suffer spousal abuse at a rate 60 times that of heterosexual married females and that lesbians incur a rate 42 times that of married women. In Washington State we have had “Domestic Partnerships” for 5 years and to date less than 1/4 of 1% of the State’s population has taken advantage of the law. So WE should allow the redefinition of a sacred vow for a tiny fraction of the population? I think NOT.
March 30, 2012 at 12:01am
I have more than walked in their shoes. I’ve fought fires from the Columbia River Gorge in Oregon to the Mexican Border. Getting secondhand information that is even minutes old is tantamount to getting rumors. You do NOT use a road that has over reaching foliage for escape when staying where you are is defensible. flame length from the grass in the video would not exceed 18″ and that in bursts rather than a wall of flame that would suck all of the oxygen out of the air, kill the engines on their vehicles and roast their children alive. If you live in the wildland, you must take the initiative to prepare for such an event and the first element of preparation is to understand the risks of leaving versus running.
My own home was threatened in 1978 by a wind driven timber fire in Northern California. My family stayed put because it was safer to stay than to run into an unknown inferno.