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• Religious Leaders Lay Out the Unifying Message All Americans Can Rally Around

  June 19, 2013 at 8:50pm

  In reply to The Third Archon.

  Again, you are wrong, always have been, and perhaps always will be. You ignore the truth of what Washington stated in his inaugural address, as well as in his farewell address to the nation. You ignore the fact that on the day of his inauguration, he led Congress (while in session) to a small church (which still stands today directly across the street from Ground Zero) for the purpose of praying over this nation and dedicating it to God.

  What this nation WAS founded upon is the principle that no one church would be established by Congress; that men would be free to worship according to the dictates of their own conscience. That you could not be arrested for being a baptist instead of a catholic, or a catholic instead of a Presbyterian, etc…It was based upon John Locke’s essay “A Letter Concerning Toleration”. You can mischaracterise it all you like, but you still are not arguing the truth. I don’t think you would know the truth if it bit you on the arse.

• Religious Leaders Lay Out the Unifying Message All Americans Can Rally Around

  June 19, 2013 at 8:36pm

  In reply to sparkyrules.

  They do however hold to the same basic doctrines. That Jesus died up on the cross, was buried, and rose again the 3rd day. That He was the Son of God, the 2nd person in the Godhead. For those that don’t believe this, they are not truly His. It is what as I stated earlier pertaining to Romans 8.

  As I stated, you can cherry pick all you like; it doesn’t change the fact that the Holy Spirit leads us into all truth. Whether we choose to believe in that truth or not is up to us. How closely we want to read the scriptures and seek to understand them is up to each individual. We are all born with God’s gift of free will. What we choose to believe or seek to understand is up to each of us individually, not as an entire body. How closely we submit ourselves to the teaching of the Holy Spirit is up to us. Yes, there are literally millions of Sunday Christians who live like the devil for the rest of the week. There are millions who choose to follow the flesh rather than the Spirit. Like Jesus said, you will know them by their fruit. If you keep My word, then you are Mine. Thank God that it is by grace that we are saved, and that is not of ourselves, but the gift of God. By His works, not ours. If it were up to us, not one would be saved.

• Religious Leaders Lay Out the Unifying Message All Americans Can Rally Around

  June 19, 2013 at 8:28pm

  In reply to sparkyrules.

  To Sirhan (cont.)

  And finally, the man who witnessed Christ crucified personally wrote in John 19:30: So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “IT is finished!” and bowing His head, He gave up the Spirit.” Then, in 32-37 “Then the soldier came and broke the legs of the first and of the other who was crucified with Him. But when they came to Jesus and saw that He was ALREADY DEAD, they did not break His legs. But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out. And he who has seen has testified, and his testimony is true; and he knows that he is telling the truth, so that you may believe. For these things were done that the Scripture should be fulfilled, “Not one of His bones shall be broken. And again, another scripture says, They shall look on Him who they pierced.”
  This Holy Spirit you’re talking about hasn’t done one thing to help you Christians. In America there are some 1000 different sects and denominations of Christiandom among white people and among black people there are 2000 different sects and denominations. They each claim to have the holy spirit and are all going in different directions.

  Exaggerate much? The last count that I heard was somewhere around 204 different sects. And Paul did state that there should be no divisions among us. That we have one mind, the mind of Christ. But knowing that the devil is working to divide us and divert us, and knowing that He is effective, havi

• Religious Leaders Lay Out the Unifying Message All Americans Can Rally Around

  June 19, 2013 at 8:12pm

  In reply to sparkyrules.

  Sirhan:
  You said, “Then why are they called ‘the Psalms of David’ and in the verse I mention why does David use the first person ‘I’ in his decree?”

  Read much English? Verse 5 and 6 state, “Then He shall speak to them in His wrath, and distress them in His deep pleasure. Yet I have set my king on My holy hill of Zion.” Then verse 7 states, “I will declare the decree: The Lord has said to Me, You are my Son, Today I have begotten you.” It is the Lord speaking through David; David is not speaking of himself. He is speaking through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Read further still, “Ask of Me, and I will give you the nations of the earth for your possession.” At what point did God give David the nations of the earth for his possession? “You shall break them with a rod of iron; You shall dash them to pieces like a potter’s vessel.” David was never the one who ruled with a rod of iron. That was always the messiah, the promised seed of David.

  You said: “There’s no proof in the Christian Bible Jesus died at all. Some people assumed he had died, but the Bible does not give an eyewitness account of his so-called death.”

  Well, if you want to ignore, Matthew 27:50: “And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit.” Mark 15:37 “And Jesus cried out with a loud voice, and breathed His last.” Luke 23:46: “And Jesus cried out with a loud voice, He said, “Father, into Your hands I commit My Spirit. Having s

• Religious Leaders Lay Out the Unifying Message All Americans Can Rally Around

  June 19, 2013 at 10:10am

  In reply to sparkyrules.

  Sirhan:
  Obviously, you are the one who is biblically illiterate. After all, you admit in another thread that you are a musliim. You come on these threads to conduct Jihad against Christians by taking biblical verses out of context. The entire 2nd Psalm is in fact a prophetic psalm. And not all Psalms were written by David, though this particular one was. He did not speak of himself. Read in context rather than reading it out of context. Of course, it is difficult for a muslim to read it in context because he cannot be led by the Holy Spirit because he rejects Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection. Romans 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. 12 Therefore brethren, we are debtors-not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are the sons of God.

  Jesus is the firstborn of the sons of God (those that are led by the Spirit.)

• Religious Leaders Lay Out the Unifying Message All Americans Can Rally Around

  June 19, 2013 at 9:48am

  In reply to I.X.Pect.

  Satdxon:

  One track mind? Single issue guy? Afraid someone might outwork you and take your job because you are weak, lazy, and unproductive? Why such hatred that you bring an issue up completely unrelated to the story and the thread?

• Religious Leaders Lay Out the Unifying Message All Americans Can Rally Around

  June 19, 2013 at 9:42am

  In reply to satxdon.

  Did God not give all men the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? Did He tell all the nations that they were restricted to certain borders? Was this nation not settled by the unwanted of Europe for the purpose of liberty? The rule of law our founding fathers spoke of were the laws of nature; they are immutable. Do the immigration laws that you defend so hardily qualify as laws of nature? No, not really. They are artificial laws. Try reading the Spirit of the Law by Baron de Montesquieue, or the 1st and 2nd treatises on government by John Locke, two of the men who strongly influenced the founding fathers, just as Adam Smith did; just as Cicero did; just as Aristotle, Plato, and Socrates did. After all, the pursuit of happiness was based upon Aristotle’s principle of the pursuit of a good life. So, are you so hard hearted that you want to ban the pursuit of happiness for others just because they are born outside our borders, because a large number of parents crossed the border illegally in pursuit of happiness? Well, if that is you, then you can pay to deport them all, because this bankrupt government cannot afford to.

• Religious Leaders Lay Out the Unifying Message All Americans Can Rally Around

  June 19, 2013 at 9:22am

  In reply to neverending.

  Neverending:
  Bad news brother. He has already begun to judge this nation. It started on 9/11/2001. Get the book called THE HARBINGER by Jonathon Kahn; it lays out the judgement that is coming on America. It is based upon the same judgement that befell Israel prior to their captivity. It’s all laid out by Isaiah 9:9-21, though he just focuses on 9:9, 10. The same kind of arrogance that Israel demonstrated is being demonstrated by this country. And the hand of the Lord is against us.

  The book stops short of the judgement that the world is facing. But look around; the world IS facing judgement. Look at Europe. How long do you think they can continue to stave off their economic collapse? Look at the middle east. Israel is surrounded on all sides by the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt, and Libya, by Hamas, by Hezbollah, and by the Palestinians; on top of all of this, Syria is embroiled in civil war that we are about to get involved in, arming Israel’s and our own enemies just as we did in Afghanistan. Boy, won’t Obama have egg on his face when those Syrian rebels wind up instituting Sharia law, and become the centerpiece of the Caliphate being run by Iran? It is all being orchestrated by the forces of darkness and the Antichrist himself. It all ends in a one world government, run through the UN. This of course is the lead up to Armageddon.

• Religious Leaders Lay Out the Unifying Message All Americans Can Rally Around

  June 19, 2013 at 8:52am

  Sirhan: You treat the Bible like it ends with Jesus. It doesn’t. Yes, Jesus and the twelve were sent to deal with Israel, and that is because Jesus came to offer the Kingdom of heaven to the Jews. But they rejected the Kingdom, and they rejected their messiah, as was prophecied before hand. But the book doesn’t end there. Paul is called to be the apostle to the gentiles, and Peter affirms him as such. And as he goes on to say in 1st Corinthians 15: “But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.” You can cherry pick all you want; but when all you do is cherry pick, you become a liar, misusing the Word of God to your own destruction.

• Religious Leaders Lay Out the Unifying Message All Americans Can Rally Around

  June 19, 2013 at 8:43am

  In reply to PAUL GULLO.

  Encinom:
  I think you have it backwards. See, the founders didn’t found a secular society. Go back and read Washington’s inaugural address. “It is the duties of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favors. The propitious smiles of heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right, which heaven itself has ordained. The Hand of Providence has been so conspicuous in all this, that he must be worse than an infidel that lacks faith, and more than wicked, that has not gratitude enough to acknowledge his obligations. The foundations of our national policy will be laid in the pure and immutable principles of private morality. Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligations deserts the oaths.

  Jefferson stated, “And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever. The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend all to the happiness of mankind.

  That is just 2 of our founders, and likely the most well known. There is a treasure trove of quotes which blasts you lies right out of