Salvation is a process.
It is not a one time event.
at least not according to the Bible it isn’t.
Have you been saved?
It is a Past event (I have been saved)
Rom 8:24 – for in hope we were saved
Eph 2:5,8 – by grace you have been saved through faith
2 Tim 1:9 – he saved us, called us, according to His grace
Tit 3:5 – He saved us thru bath of rebirth, renewal by Holy Spirit
It is a Present event ( I am being saved)
Phil 2:12 – work out your salvation with fear and trembling
1 Pet 1:9 – as you attain the goal of your faith, salvation
And it is a Future Event (I will be saved)
Mt 10:22 – he who endures to the end will be saved
Mt 24:13 – he who perseveres to the end will be saved
Mk 8:35 – whoever loses his life for my sake will save it
Acts 15:11 – we shall be saved through the grace of Jesus
Rom 5:9-10 – since we are justified, we shall be saved
Rom 13:11 – salvation is nearer now than first believed
1 Cor 3:15 – he will be saved but only as through fire
1 Cor 5:5 – deliver man to Satan so his spirit may be saved
Heb 9:28 – Jesus will appear a second time, to bring salvation
Anyone who tells you salvation is a one time reciting of a prayer?
That is a man-made lie
Anyone who says you only have to believe in Jesus.
That is half the truth
Anyone who says you can work your way to salvation.
A misunderstanding of the truth
God alone can save.
No amount of faith nor works can earn you salvation.
It is an unmerited gift.
all we can do is believe and follow
 May 22, 2015 at 9:21am
You want salvation? Follow the guidelines left for us.
Jam 2:24 – a man is justified by works and not by faith alone
Jam 2:26 – faith without works is dead
Gal 5:6 – only thing that counts is faith working in love
1 Cor 13:2 – faith without love is nothing
Jn 14:15 – if you love me, keep my commandments
Mt 19:16-17 – if wish to enter into life, keep commandments
It’s not – either Faith or Works its – Both – Faith and Works
Works is how we show our cooperation with God’s plan.
Jesus’ own words in MT 25:31-46 destroys Sola Fide
Read Jesus’ own words in Matthew 25.
Who is saved and who is condemned?
Those who only have faith? Or those with both faith and works?
Zippy will have you believe (well it kinda depends on what you ask and when you ask it)
but anyway, Faith without works is dead. So have faith, and do good for your fellow man.
When you hear the truth, don’t be a fool and refuse to accept it.
Don’t force it into a box you made. Truth is not your truth or my truth. Truth is truth.
The Church Jesus founded is still here.
She is waiting for you with open arms.
She is waiting with the fullness of the faith, the fullness of truth.
Will you find this Church or settle for whatever makes you happy?
 May 22, 2015 at 9:13am
Let say you are promised a meal. It free and it is your choice to accept or refuse. Why then would you chose to eat at McDonalds when you could go to Ruth Chris. You can survive on the food at McD’s, but you can feast at Ruth’s.
By all means, study the Gospel. But also study the Church Fathers. Those who were taught by the Apostles. Protestants are forced to accept the Bible and then nothing for 1500 years. To the man-made doctrines that are unrecognizable to the Apostles or their followers. Why is it there was the Catholic Church and a few schismatic churches for 1500 years and over the last 500 years we have 35,000+?
I’ll tell you why. Man-made doctrine. Just like the Pharisees and the Scribes of Jesus’ day. They read the words, but did not understand the meaning. They twisted the scripture to mean what they wanted it to mean.
When Jesus rose to His Father 40 days after His resurrection, He did not leave us a book. He left us a Church. Find that Church.
People like Zippy are selling you a false gospel.
He doesn’t know anything of truth about the Church Jesus founded.
Jesus told his Apostles to preach the word, not to write it down and let them read about it for themselves.
When He ascended to the Father, He didn’t shout back, “don’t forget to read my book”
He founded a Church, not a publishing company.
The truth is out there.
It’s not found on hate filled websites that only teach what is wrong with other churches.
It is not found in man-made rules
 May 22, 2015 at 9:08am
I understand that LDS believe the Catholic Church was the original Church Jesus founded and that it fell into apostate. That is why God chose Smith to “re-establish” his Church.
One huge problem with that: Jesus is not a liar. He said the gates of hell would never prevail against His Church. His Church can never fall into apostate teaching. Can it be filled with sinners? Yes. Can it be led by bad Popes? Yes. Can it teach error? No. That is a promise from Christ Himself. The Holy Spirit will guide Her from teaching error.
LDS, JW, ZIPPY…they all do the same thing and condemn the other.
Somewhere along the lines, someone created his own religion based on his interpretation of the Bible.
They have created a false gospel, based on the interpretation of men.
To be clear. All religions have some truth. Be kind to others, don’t kill or steal. The Lord God is One God in 3 persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Among others.
But only One Church is the Bride of Christ, only One Church can truly trace its origins to the promises Jesus made to the Apostles. Be they Catholic or Orthodox, only the Catholic Church has valid Priestly orders handed down from Jesus. Only those in union with the Pope have the fullness of the Christian faith.
Can God do good things with those who only have parts? Yes. Can you get to heaven with less than the fullness? If God so chooses, yes.
 May 21, 2015 at 6:23pm
St. Ignatius of Antioch (107 AD) …where Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.
This is the first written reference to the Catholic Church.
Notice Ignatius does not offer any explanation for the title “Catholic Church” he uses the term as though it was already in common usage.
St Ignatius was the 2nd Bishop of Antioch (probably put into office by Peter himself)
He succeeded Peter who went to become Bishop of Rome
Pope Francis is the current Bishop of Rome.
 May 21, 2015 at 6:06pm
St Irenaeus (AD200) “For where the Church is, there is the Spirit of God; and where the Spirit of God, there the Church and every grace. The Spirit, however, is Truth” Against Heresies 3,24,1.
Is 9:6-7 – of Christ’s government there will be no end
Dan 2:44 – God’s kingdom shall stand forever
Dan 7:14 – His kingdom shall not be destroyed
Lk 1:32-33 – no end to Christ’s kingdom
Mt 7:24 – Jesus is like a wise man who build his house of rock
Mt 13:24-30 – let wheat & weeds grow together until harvest
Mt 16:18 – gates of hell will never prevail against Christ’s Church
Jn 14:16 – Holy Spirit will be with you always
Mt 28:19-20 – I am with you all days
Find this Church…your eternal soul depends on it
 May 21, 2015 at 6:05pm
When, then, we see so much help on God’s part, so much progress and so much fruit, shall we hesitate to bury ourselves in the bosom of that Church? For starting from the apostolic chair down through successions of bishops, even unto the open confession of all mankind, it has possessed the crown of teaching authority.” The Advantage of Believing 35.
Jn 16:13 – guided by the Holy Spirit into all truth
Jn 14:26 – Holy Spirit to teach & remind them of everything
Lk 10:16 – speak with Christ’s own words
1 Tim 3:15 – church called “pillar and foundation of truth”
1 Jn 2:27 – anointing of Holy Spirit remains in you
Acts 15:28 – Apostles speak with voice of Holy Spirit
Mt 28:20 – I am with you always
St. Ignatius of Antioch (107 AD) You must all follow the lead of the bishop, as Jesus Christ followed that of the Father; follow the presbytery as you would the Apostles; reverence the deacons as you would God’s commandment. Let no one do anything touching the Church, apart from the bishop. Let that celebration of the Eucharist be considered valid which is held under the bishop or anyone to whom he has committed it. Where the bishop appears, there let the people be, just as where Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not permitted without authorization from the bishop either to baptize or to hold an agape; but whatever he approves is also pleasing to God. Thus everything you do will be proof against danger and valid.
 May 21, 2015 at 6:05pm
Mt 28:18-20 – Jesus delegates all power to Apostles
Jn 20:23 – power to forgive sin
1 Cor 11:23-24 – Power to offer sacrifice (Eucharist)
Lk 10:16 – power to speak with Christ’s voice
Mt 18:18 – power to legislate
Mt 18:17 – power to discipline
St Irenaeus (AD200) “…the Church, having received this preaching and this faith, although she is disseminated throughout the whole world, yet guarded it, as if she occupied but one house. She likewise believes these things just as if she had but one soul and one and the same heart; and harmoniously she proclaims them and teaches them and hands them down, as if she possessed but one mouth.” Against Heresies 1,10,2.
Eusibius of Caesarea (AD 4th Century) “but the brightness of the Catholic Church proceeded to increase in greatness, for it ever held to the same points in the same way, and radiated forth to all the race of Greeks and barbarians the reverent, sincere, and free nature, and the sobriety and purity of the divine teaching as to conduct and thought” Ecclesiastical History 4, 7, 13
St Augustine (AD392) “The Catholic Church is the work of Divine Providence, and achieved through the prophecies of the prophets, through the Incarnation and the teaching of Christ, through the journeys of the Apostles, through the suffering, the crosses, the blood and death of the martyrs, through the admirable lives of the saints…
 May 21, 2015 at 6:04pm
Eph 4:4 – on body, one spirit, called to one hope
Col 3:15 – the peace into which you were called in one body
St Cyprian (AD250) “God in one and Christ in one and one is His Church, and the faith is one, and His people welded together by the glue of concord into a solid unity of body. Unity cannot be rent asunder, nor can the one body of the Church through the division of its structure, be divided into separate pieces.” On the Unity of the Church 23
Tertullian (AD197) “We are a society with a single religious feeling, a single unity of discipline, a single bond of hope” Apology 39, 1
St Hilary (AD 4th Century) “In Scripture our people are shown to be made one; so that just as many grains collected into one and ground and mingled together, make one loaf, so in Christ, who is the heavenly Bread, we know there is on body, in which our whole company is joined and united.” Treatise 62, 13
Jn 15:16 – Jesus chose special men to be His Apostles
Jn 20:21 – Jesus gave the Apostles His own mission
Lk 22:29-30 – Jesus gave them a kingdom
Mt 16:18 – Jesus built His Church on Peter, the rock
Jn 10:16 – one shepherd to shepherd Christ’s sheep
Lk 22:32 , Jn 21:17 – Peter appointed to be chief shepherd
Eph 4:11 – church leaders are hierarchical
1 Tim 3:1, 8; 5:17 – identifies toles of bishops, priests, deacons
Tit 1:5 – commission for bishops to ordain priest
This is the Church Jesus said He would build.
One Church not thousands of churches.
Where is this Church?
 May 21, 2015 at 6:03pm
Find the Church Jesus established and never leave Her.
A proof text without context is a pretext
Mt 16:18-19 – upon this rock I will build my Church
Mt 18:17-18 – if he refuses to listen even to the Church…
Mt 28:18-20 – go baptize and tell all nations
MK 16:15-16 – go to the whole world and proclaim gospel
Lk 10:16 – whoever hears you, hears me; rejects you, rejects me
Jn 14:16,26 – Holy Spirit with you always, teach/remind everything
Jn 16:13 – Spirit of truth will guide you to all truth
1 Tim 3:15 – Church is the pillar and foundation of truth
Church is Body of Christ
Col 1:18 – He is the head of the body, the Church
1 Cor 12:20-27 – you are Christ’s body, individually parts of it
Eph 5:30 – we are members of His body
Rom 12:4-5 – though many, we are one body in Christ
1 Cor 6:15 – don’t you know your bodies are members of Christ
The Church must be one
Jn 10:16 – there shall be one fold and one shepherd
Eph 4:3-6 – on Lord, one Faith, One baptism, one God & Father
Rom 16:17 – avoid those who create dissensions
1 Cor 1:10 – I urge that there be no divisions among you (35,000+ protestant churches today)
Phil 2:2 – be of same mind, united in heart, thinking one thing
Rom 15:5 – God grant you to think in harmony with one another
Jn 17:17-23 – I pray that they may be one, as we are one
Jn 17:23 – that they may be brought to perfection
1 Cor 12:13 – in one spirit we were baptized into one body
Rom 12:5 – we, though many, are one body in Christ
 May 21, 2015 at 5:56pm
One thing for sure, Zippy don’t know zip about the Catholic Church
The typical Protestant conception of the “true” Church is that it is invisible.
Though individuals may group together for fellowship and Bible study, their churches are really like clubs in a city.
The real church, say Protestants, is the broad and unseen group of the saved.
The Catholic Church, in contrast, teaches that the Church is a visible organization.
Being a visible organization, it can be identified–it has marks.
The marks are that it is one, holy, catholic, and apostolic–
“one” in that it is a unified organization,
“holy” in that it is an organization divinely established,
“catholic” in that it is to embrace all of mankind, and
“apostolic” in that a line of succession has been kept with the authority Christ passed to Peter and the apostles.
If Zippy is correct,
There’s no way to know whether he’s assenting to divine revelation or to mere human opinion about divine revelation.
No one is infallible…except every “Bible Only” person when they read the Bible?
If all are fallible.
The Protestant must rely on his own judgment above that of his church.
And the orthodoxy of the church itself is judged against his interpretation of the Bible.
Thus it becomes impossible to distinguish between what divine revelation actually is versus what a fallible human being thinks it is.
 May 20, 2015 at 9:57am
Everyone who does not accept the papacy’s Sunday worship will be killed; and everyone who does accept the papacy’s Sunday worship will be destroyed by God.
By virtue of their valid baptism, and their belief in Christ’s divinity and in the doctrine of the Trinity, Seventh-day Adventists are both ontologically and theologically Christians. But Christians, once separated from the Church our Lord founded, are susceptible to being “tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine” (Eph. 4:14).
Are you ashamed of your faith christos.
We have posted back and forth for some time now. You rarely if ever post about what you believe.
You instead focus only on what you wrongly think I believe.
The whore of Babylon thing, sure if you want to believe the ranting’s of a mentally challenged person who has nothing but failed predictions and false prophetic works to back it up? Sure believe she got this one right.
But at least be proud of what you believe. Don’t hide it.
Embrace the madness.
Truth is, your not SDA. What you are is Anti-Catholic.
The church of anti-catholic hate has many members, but it’s not a real religion
 May 20, 2015 at 9:50am
It cannot admit that Sunday worship is not the mark of the beast without changing its views on the Jewish Sabbath. SDA cannot cease to be anti-Catholic without ceasing to be Seventh-day Adventism.
There is a “moderate” wing of Adventism that is more open to Catholics as individuals (though still retaining White’s views concerning the papacy). In fact, White was willing to concede that—in the here and now (before the end times)—some Catholics are saved. She wrote that “there are now true Christians in every church, not excepting the Roman Catholic communion, who honestly believe that Sunday is the Sabbath of divine appointment. God accepts their sincerity of purpose and their integrity before him. But when Sunday observance shall be enforced by law, and the world shall be enlightened concerning the obligation of the true Sabbath, then whoever shall transgress the command of God, to obey a precept which has no higher authority than Rome, will thereby honor popery above God” (395).
Unfortunately, this one tolerant statement is embedded in hundreds of hostile statements. While this aspect of her teaching can be played up by her more moderate followers, it is difficult for them to do so, because the whole Adventist milieu in which they exist is anti-Catholic. The group is an eschatology sect, and its central eschatological teaching, other than Christ’s Second Coming, is that the Second Coming will be preceded by a period in which the papacy will enforce Sunday worship
 May 20, 2015 at 9:47am
SDA is basically consumed with the concept of the last days. It was formed from the remnants of the Millerite movement, which was created to await the world’s end. In White’s end times view, the Jewish Sabbath and the Catholic Church play prominent roles.
According to her, the papacy is the seven-headed beast from the sea in Revelation 13:1–10. Accompanying this beast is a lamb-like beast from the earth (Rev. 13:11–18). The latter causes the world to worship the former and has an image made of it. White proclaimed that the second beast is the United States (The Great Controversy, 387–8), and that it will force people to worship the papacy by “enforcing some observance which shall be an act of homage to the papacy” (389). This observance, she says, is Sunday worship rather than Saturday worship.
White claims that the papacy changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday, making this change a mark of its authority. In her view, there will come a time when the United States will establish a “national Sunday law” and compel its citizens to worship on Sunday and thus take the mark of the beast. It will not compel them to become Catholics, but to join a Protestant state-church that is an “image” of the papacy, and thus, “the image of the beast” (382–96).
SDA cannot change its views on the Catholic Church being the Whore of Babylon without admitting that it was wrong on Sunday worship.
 May 20, 2015 at 9:43am
SDAs agree with many Catholic doctrines, including the Trinity, Christ’s divinity, the virgin birth, the atonement, a physical resurrection of the dead, and Christ’s Second Coming. They use a valid form of baptism. They believe in original sin and reject the Evangelical teaching that one can never lose one’s salvation no matter what one does (i.e., they correctly reject “once saved, always saved”).
Unfortunately, they also hold many false and strange doctrines. Among these are the following:
(a) the Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon;
(b) the pope is the Antichrist;
(c) in the last days, Sunday worship will be “the mark of the beast”;
(d) there is a future millennium in which the devil will roam the earth while Christians are with Christ in heaven;
(e) the soul sleeps between death and resurrection; and
(f) on the last day, after a limited period of punishment in hell, the wicked will be annihilated and cease to exist rather than be eternally damned.
Many Adventists insist that, as a matter of discipline (not doctrine), one must not eat meats considered unclean under the Mosaic Law (many endorse total vegetarianism), and one must avoid “worldly entertainments” (card-playing, dancing, smoking, drinking, reading non-religious books, listening to non-religious music, watching non-religious television, going to the movies, etc.)
Adventists also subscribe to sola scriptura and sola fide
 May 20, 2015 at 9:38am
Writing over fifty books commenting on health, education, finance, and other topics. Her works are held by her followers to be inerrant on matters of doctrine, as is the Bible, though they are on a slightly lower plane of honor than the Bible.
Her most important books, especially The Desire of the Ages and The Great Controversy, are frequently reprinted by Seventh-day Adventist publishing houses in a variety of formats. They often appear with different covers and titles. For example, The Great Controversy is often marketed as America in Prophecy. They are printed whole or in excerpted form. Sometimes Ellen Gould White’s name appears on the cover, sometimes a less well-known form of her name appears (e.g., E. G. White), and sometimes her name does not appear on the outside of the book at all.
This allows Adventists to put White’s works in the hands of non-Adventists without alerting them that they are reading an Adventist publication until they are well into the work.
Adventist publishing houses also keep the terms “Seventh-day” and “Adventist” out of their names. Typical Adventist and Adventist-related publishing houses have names including Inspiration Books, Amazing Truth Publications, Review & Herald Publishing Association, and Pilgrims’ Press.
This is because Adventists have always been regarded suspiciously and have often been viewed as a fanatical cult (as have some of their offshoots, such as the Branch Davidians)
 May 20, 2015 at 9:35am
While walking in a cornfield on the morning of October 23, 1844, the day after Christ failed to return, Hiram Edson felt he received a spiritual revelation that indicated that Miller had misidentified the sanctuary. It was not the earth, but the Holy of Holies in God’s heavenly temple. Instead of coming out of the heavenly temple to cleanse the sanctuary of the earth, in 1844 Christ, for the first time, went into the heavenly Holy of Holies to cleanse it instead.
Another group of Millerites was influenced by Joseph Bates, a retired sea captain, who in 1846 and 1849 issued pamphlets insisting that Christians observe the Jewish Sabbath—Saturday—instead of worshipping on Sunday. This helped feed the intense anti-Catholicism of Seventh-day Adventism, since they blamed the Catholic Church for changing the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.
These two streams of thought—Christ entering the heavenly sanctuary and the need to keep the Jewish Sabbath—were combined by White, who claimed to have received many visions confirming these doctrines. Together with Edson and Bates, she formed the Seventh-day Adventist denomination, which officially received its name in 1860.
White claimed to receive the first of several hundred visions in December of 1844. She gained recognition in Adventist circles as a prophetess and became the church’s leader. Over the next few decades, she provided guidance on almost every aspect of belief and worship.
 May 20, 2015 at 9:33am
Most people know little about the Seventh-day Adventists beyond that they worship on Saturdays, not Sundays. But there’s more to this unique sect.
The Seventh-day Adventist church traces its roots to American preacher William Miller (1782–1849), a Baptist who predicted the Second Coming would occur between March 21, 1843, and March 21, 1844. Because he and his followers proclaimed Christ’s imminent advent, they were known as “Adventists.” (False Church founded by a false prophet)
When Christ failed to appear, Miller reluctantly endorsed the position of a group of his followers known as the “seventh-month movement,” who claimed Christ would return on October 22, 1844 (in the seventh month of the Jewish calendar). Wrong again
When this didn’t happen either, Miller forswore predicting the date of the Second Coming, and his followers broke up into a number of competing factions. Miller would have nothing to do with the new theories his followers produced, including ones which attempted to save part of his 1844 doctrine. He rejected this and other teachings being generated by his former followers, including those of Ellen Gould White. (This woman had some issues)
Miller had claimed, based on his interpretation of Daniel and Revelation, that Christ would return in 1843–44 to cleanse “the sanctuary” (Dan. 8:11–14, 9:26), which he interpreted as the earth. After the disappointments of 1844, several of his followers proposed an alternative theory.
 May 20, 2015 at 9:22am
So what you’re telling me is, – it’s not the Bible alone that you believe.
It’s your personal interpretation of the Bible that matters.
You redefine the word mediator to fit your personal feeling.
Are Catholics allowed the same privilege?
Mary can hear prayers, because God allows it.
“That is the instruction I will follow.”
Good for you.
I have no problem with you only praying in one way.
That is the free will given to you by God.
But don’t post untruths about something you don’t understand.
The Catholic belief in praying to Mary and the Saints, the Catholic belief on mediation and praying for each other is scripturally based as I have shown.
The fact that your personal interpretation of scripture differs with 2,000 year of Catholic teaching is between you and God.
“There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate The Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.” ― Fulton J. Sheen
 May 20, 2015 at 9:09am
the great and powerful christos reappears from his slumber.
Tell us more about your SDA cult beliefs christos.
See the people who agree with you Zippy?
SDA and JW
For no other reason than hate.
Hate for the Catholic Church.
This hate is of course founded on ignorance.
Your faith is not a positive faith based you what you believe is right, Your faith is based on what you think Catholics do wrong.
Same with christos and The Great deceiver.
Please tell us more about the man-made pre-tribulation rapture
or how we shouldn’t worship on sunday
or how Jesus is not God
I’ll wait for you to tell us what is right about your faith.
Maybe you actually know something of truth about your own faiths.
You obviously don’t know anything of truth about the Catholic Church
christos isn’t even sure if he’s orthodox or sda
He’s making up his own religion on the fly.