User Profile: CafeConservative


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  • April 20, 2015 at 1:48am

    Apparently reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
    “The US Flag Code is technically a federal law but since it specifies no penalties for enforcement no one actually enforces it.”
    Yet it does specify a penalty. It happens to be unconstitutional like I said the first time.

    18 USC Section 700
    (1) Whoever knowingly mutilates, defaces, physically defiles, burns, maintains on the floor or ground, or tramples upon any flag of the United States *************shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.*************

  • April 20, 2015 at 1:43am

    “Cafe; I understand how cities and zoning rules work. But HOA’s often operate on top of those rules already in place. It does nothing but add another level of inefficient and bloated bureaucracy to the mix. Besides, HOA’s have to abide by existing city code so if it’s against city code to let your grass grow above so many inches then you still have to fight 40,000 other people if you want to change that rule so your argument on that point is invalid. All the HOA does is add MORE rules on top of existing city code.”

    Yet my HOA/neighborhood is not code enforced by the city as it is not a part of the city even though it’s well within city limits. Seems your broad claim about all HOAs is wrong. Perhaps you ought to better inform yourself.

  • [1] April 20, 2015 at 1:41am

    “You do understand how anologies work, correct? I do not think you are interested in an honest discussion.”
    Project much? You’re the guy stuck on HOA membership being reliant on people being lazy and/or greedy. When someone begins throwing an equally disingenuous argument in your face you then want to act all offended.

  • [-3] April 19, 2015 at 8:58pm

    “I don’t care because as long as I’m left alone then my neighbors can do what they want.”

    You must be ignorant of things like city code enforcement. In my HOA, I have a vote among about 200 other homes. If I were a part of the city, my vote would be one among ~40,000. The rules for both communities are similar but since my HOA has decided to to keep a level of debt (we could pay it off easily if we wanted) the city does not want to take on, the city will not annex it. I only have to fight 200 people instead of 40,000 to determine what rules and fines will rule my property.

    Example of city codes (not my city but we have similar):
    “Citizens are encouraged to report violations when they see them. Major violations include:
    High Grass and Weeds
    Junk Motor Vehicles
    Outside Storage
    Oversized Vehicles
    Parking on Grass
    Trash and Debris
    Trash Out Early
    Zoning Violations”

    Notice how not cutting your grass and taking our the trash, OMG, early are MAJOR violations of city code in Irving, TX?

    I haven’t lived in a city without such codes. Luckily I live in a cookie cutter neighborhood with and HOA but is not incorporated into the city and I don’t live on the outskirts but am pretty centrally located.

  • [-1] April 19, 2015 at 8:36pm

    “The motivations of people wanting HOAs are selfishness for the reasons i listed…..That does not mean they are selfish people overall….”
    Noted: You are delusional enough to believe that you read hearts and minds and know why people join HOA.s I’ll make sure to remember that in future conversations.

    “We are allowed to call out bad behavior without judging the person, right???”
    You are obviously too ill-equipped to do so so you should stop while you’re behind.

    “Or at least that is what we are told about gays – that we can be against the behavior without being against the person….”
    So being in an HOA is as immoral as being gay? Gotcha.

    You’re really batting a 1000 with that logic thing you got going.

  • April 19, 2015 at 8:32pm

    Wow, APC. You went from zero to bu**hurt real fast. Not sure what to say when someone playing with a troll raises your ire so easily.

    As for hoity toity, I wear $14 Costco jeans and shop at TJ Maxx and Burlington Coat Factory for most of my casual clothes.

    But considering your advanced aged and comments (yeah, I peaked at your profile), I’m sure you’re stuck on whatever it is you’re stuck on and trying to have an intelligent conversation with you wouldn’t get me very far, Have a nice evening.

  • [4] April 19, 2015 at 7:25pm

    Calling people or attributing to people laziness and greed as their motivations to prove your point are indeed ad-hominems.

    Why are you so against HOAs? Were you removed from the board or failed to get elected?

    Do you see just how ridiculous your “logic” is when it’s used against you?

    Are you raging so hard against HOAs because you’re insecure when people are in positions of authority and you are not?

    Seeing how silly your argumentation is yet? I’m just following your “logic.”

    My “toothless” HOA, makes people think that they are held accountable which may be keeping people in check. Maybe I’m just lucky to have neighbors who mostly do the right thing though I know others in my neighborhood not so lucky. What would the neighborhood look like without the HOA?

    I know that on our narrow streets where the covenants say you are only allowed to park on one side of the street so as not to obstruct traffic, people were selfish and did so anyways. The HOA couldn’t fine people so they put up (unenforceable but people don’t know better) Do Not Park This Side of Street signs using HOA funds (fees we pay into) and people thought they could get in trouble and are now parking on one side of the street. Without the HOA, people would be parked all over.

  • April 19, 2015 at 7:10pm

    Fair enough. My bad.

  • April 19, 2015 at 6:57pm

    “HOA’s end up offending more people rather than protecting them.”

    That’s why people living in them frequently don’t disestablish their HOAs?

  • [3] April 19, 2015 at 6:55pm

    I am not sure why you are so willing to defend a private property restricting HOA (at worst) or a toothless beaurcracy (at best)…..Anyways…..”
    Because as with most things, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

    “The reason i called HOAs based on a selfish premise is that they are usually started for one of two reasons:
    1.) To the prevent Mr. A from negatively affecting Mr. B’s home value (GREED)”
    Prevents Mr. A from negatively affecting Mr. B’s, C’s, D’s, … and Z’s home values. Which is not greed but a wise protection of an investment. No one forced Mr. A to either sh** where he sleeps or to join a HOA which would prevent him from sh**ting where he sleeps.

    “2.) So Mr. B doesnt have to worry about helping neighbor’s when their house/yard falls into disrepair (LAZINESS)….Mr. B would rather have some faceless organization FORCE Mr. A into compliance”
    Funny how Mr. B is suddenly responsible for Mr. A’s home. Not Mr. A’s family. Not Mr. A’s friends. Not Mr. A’s fellow church members. Not Mr. A’s co-workers. Just Mr. B who you now label as lazy instead of the guy who let his home fall into disrepair in the first place. You also don’t hold responsible the financial institution which is vested in the property or the insurance company that is also invested in the property.

    Do I need to even go into Mr. B’s contractual obligations that he submitted himself to willingly?

    Please, more ad hominem-based arguments. They’re so cute.

  • [-1] April 19, 2015 at 6:44pm

    The flag code is advisory rather than an enforceable law.

    “This is a U.S. federal law, but the penalty described in in Federal Law 18 USC Section 700 –[1] for failure to comply with it is not enforced and the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that punitive enforcement would conflict with the First Amendment right to freedom of speech.[2]“

  • [2] April 19, 2015 at 6:42pm

    So you have all the facts Dave? Cite the county code for us regarding structures without Googling it. Cite the HOA bylaws and covenants regarding allowable changes to landscaping, changing the exterior of the home, making changes to landscaping and what encompasses landscaping, and all other pertinent covenants without Googling them.

    Oh, f it, you just take it all on blind faith. It isn’t our job to make you think critically.

  • [1] April 19, 2015 at 6:39pm

    “whilst trying to maintain the value of something that is a long term investment that they CANNOT take with them they leave this world”

    Typically, the intent is to maintain value until you move to a different neighborhood or cash out to pay for your old folks home.

    It’s called being prepared, not putting your faith into wealth. You might read up on parables which used essential truths to convey spiritual truths as well. There’s one that talks about investing.

  • [7] April 19, 2015 at 6:35pm

    Cannot capitalize a sentence.
    Cannot distinguish between through and threw.
    Cannot distinguish between your and you’re.
    Do not understand the use of possessives (leader vs. leader’s).
    Do not understand that HOA’s do not have a “leader” but an association president and/or board of directors.

    You didn’t win squat. You are not a lawyer. Your pull-behind trailer would never be allowed into any community with a HOA.

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  • April 19, 2015 at 6:31pm

    Bingo. There is way to deal with things like these in HOAs. Vote people out. Better yet, adjust the bylaws/convenants to make force those with responsibilities to do the right thing (Rule 5.A.I.c Before issuing a letter regarding enforcement of any structure violation, the appropriate board SHALL contact the county to determine whether the “structure” in question is considered to be a structure by county code. — or some such nonsense).

  • [1] April 19, 2015 at 6:28pm

    “In this particular case the HOA had no right to tell her to take it down as they follow county codes. County codes has no ban on flag poles.”

    Humans make mistakes. Not all mistakes are accidents but neither are they all intentional.

  • April 19, 2015 at 6:26pm


    HOAs = communism?

    You’re just as bad as progs who think telling an off-color joke is the same as rape.

  • [1] April 19, 2015 at 6:24pm

    “If she had it flying from a bracket on her front porch, they would have used some other “excuse” to tell her she couldn’t fly it.”

    Your evidence? There’s a big difference between a flagpole and a bracket. I would never add a flagpole on my property because of the layout of my house and landscaping but there are a number of houses in my neighborhood with flagpoles and 24 hours lighting and they look great. A flagpole would just look bad on my property.

  • [4] April 19, 2015 at 6:14pm

    Not all HOAs are equal. Read the covenants and bylaws and check to see which are given the weight of law by the state. Some are ridiculous (by my standard) and I would never live in them but certain people love those neighborhoods. Some are really lax and only serve as guidelines (not enforceable rules) for the community and cause people to think about what they are doing and hope to encourage them to do the right thing (meet community standards).

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  • [3] April 19, 2015 at 6:11pm

    There are few people more conservative than me that I’ve met and I live in the heartland. I also live in a HOA. Wanting to protect your property by having common community guidelines is a benefit not a government intrusion.

    Half of my neighborhood was annexed into the city a few years back (my half of the neighborhood still falls under the county). Guess which half of the neighborhood looks nicer and is allowed to contract its services privately and which is stuck with city services and fees with little recourse when services suck. If you need an additional clue, guess whose street gets snowplow within hours and whose street has to wait half a day or longer?

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