User Profile: CafeConservative


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  • October 13, 2014 at 9:33pm

    So personal attacks are perfectly OK in defense of the faith instead of simply defending the faith without the personal attacks. Got it. More Mormon rationalizations.

  • October 13, 2014 at 6:45pm

    Really? Biblical apologetic is on par with being jealous of other kindergarden kids because they are friends with someone you want to be friends with? Yes, there is definitely some maturity needed. “I fed you with milk, not solid food, for you were not ready for it. And even now you are not yet ready,”

  • October 13, 2014 at 5:15pm

    Love the slight. Funny how you project personal attacks on me while making a person attack. You may need to read up on defense mechanisms and figure out whatever your deep seated problems are.

  • [-1] October 13, 2014 at 3:57pm

    “In previous posts he has claimed to be Orthodox Christian, but here “I am a non denominational fundamentalist, futurist, literalist Christian.” (ie, I am an atheist and whatever it takes to bash a Mormon) It’s funny how he claims to be non-denominational (ie, does not believe there is a correct denomination with which to associate) yet tries to belittle a denomination for having a belief in the same Jesus Christ he supposedly believes in.”

    The same Jesus? The whole thread is showing how it’s anything but the same Jesus. The fact you miss the main topic makes your opinions laughable.

    And while I prefer not to have to defend Rapture, his views are rather orthodox meaning the Mormon beliefs are quite heterodox. Though it’s probably over your head and I doubt you could draw a distinction between Orthodox and orthodox.

  • [-1] October 13, 2014 at 3:51pm

    “as Cafe seems to be visiting the same website”

    I’ve researched about a dozen to include the LDS site. You? Just talking out of your a**? You have a lot of opinion but nothing to cite it from. Anyone can offer ignorant conclusions. Real men actually research the subject. Suggest you give it a go.

  • October 13, 2014 at 3:20pm

    “Rather than demean what others believe (as the anti-mormons are doing here),”

    Jesus repeatedly held people accountable for playing favorites and being hypocrites. I find it troubling that you call out “anti-mormons” for demeaning other people while giving a complete pass to the Mormons demeaning others who don’t agree with them.

  • [-1] October 13, 2014 at 2:25pm

    …”if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; if by turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes he condemned them to extinction, making them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; and if he rescued righteous Lot, greatly distressed by the sensual conduct of the wicked 8(for as that righteous man lived among them day after day, he was tormenting his righteous soul over their lawless deeds that he saw and heard); then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials,d and to keep the unrighteous under punishment until the day of judgment, and especially those who indulgee in the lust of defiling passion and despise authority.”

    So God annihilated cities, the inhabitants of the world, and promises a day of judgment with a burning hell for the unrepentant yet there is no God of vengeance? Yes, Mormonism relies on denying the plain writing of the Bible.

  • [-1] October 13, 2014 at 2:21pm

    “I dont believe in a vengful God” You could have simply said that you likewise deny God’s Word and worship an idol. Why not just cut to the chase?

    “Vengeance is mine, and recompense, for the time when their foot shall slip; for the day of their calamity is at hand, and their doom comes swiftly.’

    “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a person’s enemies will be those of his own household.”

    “You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell?”

    “But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment; …

  • October 13, 2014 at 1:55pm

    …“Their questions are false like the people bringing the woman caught in adultery to Jesus, or the question of What is the greatest commandment. In both cases, Jesus refused to directly answer their question because any direct answer that he gave would be used against him. In the one, he turned the situation back on the accusers. In the other, he gave a principle rather than any specific commandment.” And then He turned to the woman and said, “Go and sin no more.” But like all false Christians, you leave that part out. They always paint Jesus as all rainbows and puppies and no judgment, no discernment of good and evil.
    “I am happy to discuss questions of doctrine with anyone who has a sincere desire to understand what I believe. These forum tangents aren’t full of anyone with sincere questions.” You are full of BS. Every, and I mean that literally, every Mormon I’ve come across has refused to engage in honest, intellectual discourse on the topic of their faith. If you don’t accept their revisionism or their dodging, you are accused of everything you’ve accused here. Instead of answering questions, just like all the other Mormons, you attacked the person. It’s called the Ad Hominem logical fallacy and Mormons rely on it like they do many of the other logical fallacies we’ve put to use throughout this thread.

  • October 13, 2014 at 1:55pm

    “Do you think that you have been successful with any of your posts in turning people away from sin or the cult of mormonism?”

    Yep, I have been told in the past. People who vehemently disagreed with not only what I said but the way I said it reluctantly agreed that over time, they saw that I was merely speaking truth. Most people hear only what they want and gather for that purpose. “For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.” But there are always a few lurking in wings that will have enough doubt cast and an open enough mind to seek out the truth.
    “Rapture/CafeConservative already know as much as they care to know about Mormonism and none of their questions are asked so they can have a better understanding.” Completely and absolutely false. I am always searching and I studied while participating in this thread. But see how you just projected your actions onto me? You presume to know everything about what I believe and what I think yet you haven’t the slightest clue (feel free to tell everyone my theology, ***I challenge you*** but know your false nature will not respond). Your only purpose here was to tell others to not think. You want to pretend I’m the ignorant one and they should shield themselves. You want them to close their minds and not search out the truth.

  • [-1] October 13, 2014 at 1:29pm

    - President Ezra Taft Benson stated: “Unlike the Bible, which passed through generations of copyists, translators, and corrupt religionists who tampered with the text, the Book of Mormon came from writer to reader in just one inspired step of translation”
    But he presidents of the LDS church made it abundantly clear that rationalization is the way of the church when it comes to biblical interpretation and you practice it well.

    - A letter from the First Presidency (Presidents Benson, Hinckley, and Monson) to all members of the Church states: “The most reliable way to measure the accuracy of any biblical passage is not by comparing different texts, but by comparison with the Book of Mormon and modern-day revelations”

    Just like church history shows hatred of “Negroes” and “Africans” and a love of polygamy, external pressures forced the church to change its ways and now blacks are brothers and polygamy is bad. When all else fails, revise, revise, revise. Deny your history. Deny the truth. Anything to keep the church and the fraud going.

  • October 13, 2014 at 1:26pm

    The Bible from the view of Mormon founders..

    - Joseph Smith stated: “it was apparent that many important points touching the salvation of men, had been taken from the Bible, or lost before it was compiled”
    - When: “the book [Bible] proceeded forth from the mouth of a Jew…it contained the fullness of the gospel of the Lord, of whom the twelve apostles bear record”, but afterwards “thou seest the formation of that great and abominable church…after the book hath gone forth through the hands of the great and abominable church, that there are many plain and precious things taken away from the book, which is the book of the Lamb of God. And after these plain and precious things were taken away it goeth forth unto all the nations of the Gentiles” (Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 13:24,26,28). See also Doctrines of Salvation, vol.3, p.190-191.
    - When his “revelation” about Adam being God was disputed, Brigham Young stated: “You believe Adam was made of the dust of this earth. This I do not believe…I have publicly declared that I do not believe that portion of the Bible as the Christian world do. I never did, and I never want to. What is the reason I do not? Because I have come to understanding, and banished from my mind all the baby stories my mother taught me when I was a child” (Journal of Discourses, vol.2, p.6).


  • October 13, 2014 at 1:08pm

    “The times and dates when the kinderhook plates was in Nauvoo were times Joseph Smith was not. therefore, he NEVER translated them.”

    On 1 May, Clayton wrote in his journal:
    I have seen 6 brass plates…covered with ancient characters of language containing from 30 to 40 on each side of the plates. Prest J. [Joseph Smith] has translated a portion and says they contain the history of the person with whom they were found and he was a descendant of Ham through the loins of Pharaoh king of Egypt, and that he received his kingdom from the ruler of heaven and earth.
    The History of the Church also states Smith said the following:
    I have translated a portion of [the plates] and find they contain the history of the person with whom they were found. He was a descendant of Ham, through the loins of Pharaoh, king of Egypt, and that he received his kingdom from the ruler of heaven and earth.

    Once the fraud was uncovered, Mormon revisionism sprang into action.
    “As for the Book of Abraham, the scrolls we have today are not likely at all to be the one’s used by Joseph Smith.”

    Odd then that the papyri were found not only in NY’s Metropolitan Museum of Art but in the LDS Church archives.

    Please, keep trying to rationalize the fraud.

    Just as “Negroes” and “Africans” were unquestionably targets of the founding Mormons, they’re now just like brothers. Revise, revise, revise.

  • October 12, 2014 at 3:22pm

    You’re citing a large variety of versions to make your point. Does your theory hold when using a consistent version?

    Speaking of which, you cited the “book” of Abraham before. What was the source of that book? The document that is the source, what was the supposed language it was written in according to experts and according to Joseph Smith? Was it later proven that Joseph Smith’s interpretation was totally inaccurate? If so, doesn’t that make JS’s “book” of Abraham a total fabrication? What about JS’s fabrication of an interpretation of completely fake plates (Kinderhook)?

  • October 12, 2014 at 3:04pm

    “Rather, he clearly believes in “salvation by catechism” whereby you are only saved if you accept the correct interpretation of this or that doctrine…which is really just another form of salvation by works.”

    Apparently if you believe there are such things as sins from which one must repent, there is a catechism of beliefs for your faith. Oddly enough, you pretend that you don’t have a catechism of beliefs that affect your salvation. How will I become exalted in your faith without your catechism which associates exaltation with marriage, certain practices within your church and so on. So please, keep being deceitful and projecting your accusations of catechism on others when that’s exactly what you practice as a matter of faith.

  • October 12, 2014 at 2:57pm

    “He’d reach a lot more people if” Jesus is not a popularity contest. He told us the world would hate us because they hated Him before us. We were told of how to deal with those who wouldn’t listen to the word and those who we shouldn’t even bother in the first place.

    You are a convenient tool. You refuse to listen to the Word and you rationalize evil. Your convenience is that there are others who think you might have a point but actually are listening. You offer absurd arguments that are easily refuted and are thus a medium to reach others. You are a lost cause and no one is going to change you but others may be changed by seeing your deceits exposed for what they are.

    I agree that Rapture isn’t the best communicator and neither am I but most people aren’t and most watchers can get past that. They’re interested in information and there are people here providing it and others doing their best to deflect from it. They see the

    “Also, he needs to make lots of packets since “the rapture” is essentially an American Christian doctrine.” Keep deflecting. The odd part is your church believes in constantly new revelation, thus the need for a living prophet, yet the revelation of a rapture as “new” is completely out of bounds somehow. But again, you’re not arguing for truth or consistency or logic, you’re simply arguing to deflect from the inconvenient past and ideologies associated with Mormonism.

  • October 12, 2014 at 2:24pm

    “You just said that Mormons live a godly life. ”

    Do all Mormons suffer the same poor reading comprehension? In your book “godly” and “seemingly godly” are the same thing?

    Seemingly – so as to give the impression of having a certain quality

    Added to the context of “worldly” and wolves in sheep’s clothing, it should not require any clarification.

  • October 12, 2014 at 1:59pm

    “In Brigham Young’s time, whites having offspring with blacks by and large was a result of rape. He was advocating the death sentence for rape.”

    BS. The plain writing and the other actions of the LDS and the words of their racist prophets tell us otherwise. You can try and rewrite history but it’s not going away.

  • October 12, 2014 at 1:55pm

    “Abraham did not defile his marriage.”
    Really? Sarah seems to say otherwise. “You are responsible for the wrong I am suffering. I put my slave in your arms, and now that she knows she is pregnant, she despises me. May the Lord judge between you and me.”

    But we know what Mormons think when it comes to women and prophets and polygamy since Joseph Smith coerced his wives into marriage with promises of death and destruction from God. But please continue to rationalize the joys of polygamy. A record of history (Abraham, Sarah, and their dabbling) does not equate to an endorsement of God.

  • [-1] October 12, 2014 at 1:09pm

    “Therapturcomes is so predictable.”

    As is the Mormon defense: 1) Attack the person, 2) deflect to a different issue, 3) ignore the history of the church and it’s prophets and their actions, 4) rationalize why words of the past mean something other than what is plainly written or 5) down vote and hide in the shadows. Essentially anything but an honest, genuine Spirit-filled discussion.

    Please, keep telling how good Mormons are and how godly their faith is. Yes, you are good but only in a worldly sense. And your faith being godly, not based on its conflicting with the Bible and the words of your prophets.

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