“And yet you accused snoop of lying when he quoted your comment. You are in such a hurry to bash the church given to us by Jesus that you don’t even remember when you spew untruths.”
And in your rush to blindly hold to your religion and play favorites (which Jesus condemned), you actually ignore his comment and the words he attributed to me when I call him a liar.
“Roger that Café, finally we agree on something.
Salvation is NOT by faith alone”
“Did you not know that ALL of your comments can be accessed on the Blaze obviously not. Oops.”
This has nothing to do with search as you originally acknowledged “snoop … when he quoted your comment.” The comment is right there. It precedes his comment. It required no search of my entire history.
Fun how you project onto me your very own desperation. You’re so desperate to affirm your fellow Catholic that you’ll throw spaghetti on the wall to see what sticks. He commented on a specific post. He attributed to that post something I neither said nor implied in that specific post. He lied plain and simple. You supported him in that lie plain and simple. You used deceit by trying to imply he had search my comments and found something.
Neither of you can deal honestly and that is the face of Catholicism not only here but throughout your religion’s history.
[-1] May 14, 2015 at 11:13pm
“We may be talking about two different things.
As a Christian, I do not require someone to repent in order to find forgiveness in my heart.” Yep, because you are ignorant of God’s Word and instead rely on Catholicism to guide. You and your religion replace God’s Words and ideas with your own but pretend that you’re still following God.
“The wellness of my own soul requires forgiveness and mercy FREELY given by me.”
You and your religion don’t determine the wellness of your soul, God does. But again, His Word is foreign to you. Catholic teaching is all that matters.
“However, Good Catholics believe when one confesses sin to God, one must repent and to resolve to avoid that sin again! Then we dare to ask for forgiveness.”
Too bad that’s not what God directed.
“So, yes, in our Sacrament of Reconciliation, repentance is necessary.”
Twist it however you will to justify ignoring His Word.
But specifically, the Pope’s vocation is not to judge as if he were God. He should reach out in Christian mission to those MOST IN NEED OF GOD’S MERCY.”
Thus inquisitions and burnings.
“Remember, Jesus did not come for the righteous, but for those steeped in sin.” And demanded repentance or He turned his back on them just as we were likewise told to do. Read His Word.
“Hate the sin . . not the sinner!” “Engage and evangelize the sinner, and do not leave them simmering in their own errors.”
Read up on pearls and dogs and knocking dust from your feet.
[-1] May 14, 2015 at 11:06pm
“Since the first written reference to the “Catholic Church” dates back to 107AD and was written by the man who actually succeeded Peter as Bishop of Antioch. More than likely, he was ordained by Peter himself.”
Except the language Ignatius wrote it in was a language that didn’t have capital letters. The Nicene Creed, written a couple hundred years later, wrote “catholic church” and not “Catholic Church” until the Catholics got their hand on it and tried to revise history again, the original language lacked capitalization, a concept foreign to westerners without training in old languages.
[-1] May 14, 2015 at 10:57pm
Yet you were unable to show a single example of that.
Pathetic and desperate. In short, Catholic.
[-1] May 14, 2015 at 10:56pm
“Still knows zip about the church Jesus gave us. Pray for those who have been given the truth but refuse to believe it. And special prayers for those too arrogant to hear it.”
Catholic projection would be so cute in its naivete if it weren’t so tragically dangerous to the souls of those projecting.
[-3] May 11, 2015 at 9:48pm
Again, lying by claiming I said something which I did not. Why are you so terribly desperate in making your points that you have to keep lying about what I have said?
“Have you not read,”
Apparently, you have not. Because I provided you several verses on repentance and you completely ignored them. You show that Jesus and His Word are completely foreign to you and your belief system.
[-2] May 11, 2015 at 9:44pm
Another Catholic ignoring that forgiveness requires repentance. Forgiveness isn’t blind or given freely.
Boy you lover cherry picking that Wikipedia article don’t you. Guess you missed the part where the membership of Solidarność was described across a spectrum of types of people with Catholics on one end of the spectrum which means they were but a part and not the whole.
I understand that your faith relies on physical manifestations and you won’t believe anything even if the words appear right before your eyes.
[-1] May 11, 2015 at 9:36pm
Cute that you quote Corinthians to defend your church while every single Catholic has ignored what that same chapter says about the Holy Spirit leading us and not a single one of you asserts that you are led by the Holy Spirit. So, as is status quo, Catholics will assert the Bible when it helps them and ignore it when it doesn’t. What does that say about you?
[-2] May 11, 2015 at 9:31pm
“@café and LCDR,
Both of you INSIST that we are saved by “faith alone” …”
I did? Where? Oh yeah, I made no such comment. Why do you insist on inventing things? Is the devil that much in you that you cannot actually address what I said?
I may believe what you claim I said but I never said such a thing. Perhaps I’m correct that your reading comprehension is indeed very poor.
Which is it? Are we saved by belief in Jesus Christ or by belief in certain doctrines?
“Not everyone who says to me Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven”
And Jesus said in the same speech that the road to salvation is the narrow path but that which the Catholic church offers is rather wide. Hell, you can be a pedophile priest in your church and not worry about being excommunicated but dear God don’t have some ideology that contradicts the Catholic church’s authority or dogma (female priests) because there will be hell to pay. Yep, those little ones Catholics keep drawing into arguments are great for buggering by priests but if one dare to say women ought to have access to the priesthood then that’s a disgrace to the church.
[-1] May 10, 2015 at 11:51pm
“We gave you the Bible, the Trinity and many other things which you now reject.”
Funny how Catholics replace God with their church. God gave us His Word and everything in it; Catholicism abandoned it in favor of its church. But don’t let me harsh on your arrogance, ignorance, and pride.
[-2] May 10, 2015 at 10:08pm
Good to hear from you again, Zip. Nice to have another voice on the topic that understands the role of the Spirit in leading our faith and is able to speak to it.
[-1] May 10, 2015 at 9:21pm
“You’ve said it yourself, it doesn’t matter what Christians believe.”
“However, we can agree to a certain extent that Christians agree on about 90% of everything, but it is worth discussing differences so that we can work together towards unity as God desires. But that also requires dialog with respect of individuals and their beliefs. That seems to be the biggest problem in Christianity today.”
Jesus had no tolerance for false beliefs and we are warned against false prophets and false teachers. To show respect towards those things are ridiculous. As Jesus told Peter when Peter was talking out of his rear, “But he turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance to me; for you are not on the side of God, but of men.”
Do you realize that verse occurs just moments after Jesus said, “And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it.”
Does that sound like respecting an individual and his belief? Your appellations aren’t about dialog. Your appellations are for not criticizing error and sin. It’s a requirement for your faith to flourish. “Don’t take a careful look at us and we can all get along.” That’s not what Christ called us to do.
May 10, 2015 at 8:57pm
“The earliest recorded use of the term “Catholic Church” is found in Saint Ignatius (Bishop of Antioch and student of John the Apostle) “Letter to the Smyrnaeans” written about 107 AD to Christians in Smyrna. In his letter Saint Ignatius is telling Christians to obey the teachings of the Bishop saying,
“Wherever the bishop shall appear, there the multitude of the people also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.””
Funny how you ignore something more telling in that same Wikipedia article, “The term Catholic (usually written with uppercase C in English) was first used to describe the Christian Church in the early 2nd century to emphasize its universal scope.” You realize that the early second century is the time of Ignatius’ writings, correct? You realize that the Greek he wrote in had no capitalization, right? Even the Nicene creed does not capitalize Catholic 270ish years later. You also realize that your quote comes from a 20th century Anglican that relies on capital C Catholic term in his faith and is not most neutral of sources, right?
It wasn’t till 380 that there was an attempt to make the term Catholic exclusive but even then it wasn’t.
[-2] May 10, 2015 at 8:33pm
“I really think that is a discredit to the Holy Spirit to claim that he can guide all of on our own to come to complete disagreementon what his words mean.”
But you just admitted you’re not led by the Holy Spirit so obviously he’s not leading us in complete disagreement. I listen to the Holy Spirit. You put blind faith that your church is led by the Holy Spirit with zero evidence of your own but just the church’s teaching. I’ve given you plenty of God’s Word showing that the Holy Spirit indwells us and gifts us yet you admit that the Holy Spirit does not lead you. Which spirit then is leading you?
“Disunity is not of God. chaos and confusion is not of God. Humility and submission is of God and necessary for unity and cohesion.”
Blind faith is not of God. Being led by the Holy Spirit is of God.
“A shepherd has to have sheep following him. When the sheep scatter amid chaos and confusion, that is what we have in Christianity today. People are turning away from Christianity all together because they see no unification among Christians.”
You don’t even believe that or you’re a hypocrite. You’re not sitting here as a sheep, you’re trying to act as a shepherd yet you can’t because you lack the mind of Christ and you lack the Holy Spirit to lead you. How can you pretend to teach about God when the confusion is in you? You don’t even understand a fundamental level what it means to be Christian only what it means to be Catholic.
[-3] May 10, 2015 at 8:31pm
“Cafe- just so I may better understand where you are coming from, which Christian group do you align yourself with?”
“There are thousands of them,”
No, there is just one.
“so obviously I can’t know which one you are claiming to have the true interpretation?”
Still stuck on the idea you have to belong to a denomination and can’t divine God’s Word without someone else telling you what it means, eh? You can’t go to God’s Word and find problems with what I’m saying. You can only regurgitate what the Catholic church tells you about non-catholics or specific denominations. You are unable to think for yourself or be guided by the Holy Spirit. That should be a wakeup call for you.
“I have never claimed not to be led by the Holy Spirit,”
Yet, oddly I was able to discern that before you even answered. Wonder where that comes from.
“butitisfunny that all of the people that claim their authority to be only the Holy Spirit always deny that the Holy Spirit will lead people to follow the teachings of the Catholic Church.”
Pardon me. Why are you bearing false witness? I’ll wait while you fetch one of my quotes saying that.
[-3] May 10, 2015 at 8:29pm
“Cafe – the Church itself is holy and sinless.” The Church is but the Catholic church is not, thus the fruit of the Catholic church. I suggest you go read up on church discipline in the Bible. The clergy of the Catholic church does not follow it and the congregants which are charged to carefully police the clergy are not policing them. That’s just more of the evidence you will ignore because you place your church before God and His Word.
“However, the Church on earth is run by sinful men.”
Your church is run by UNREPENTANT sinful men and tolerated by its congregants meaning that they too are unrepentant. Jesus’ Church has sinful men but only repentant ones. He’s made it clear that the unrepentant have no place in Heaven.
“There is no one on earth that is sinless. So I’m not sure how anyone will ever find the Bride of Christ since all churches on earth are administratively run by humans. The Holy Spirit is the cause of the Holiness of the church. So if you’re in a church without sinners, it became imperfect the moment you walked in the door.”
Again, you fail to distinguish between those who are repentant and those who are not; a church that would cast out pedophile priests and one that would hide them. What is most tragic is that you can’t get past reflexively defending the church to let the Holy Spirit in to help you discern such basic things.
[-1] May 10, 2015 at 7:57pm
“Where in scripture does Jesus teach a Baptism of repentance for babies?”
You tell me. That’s your idea.
“Also the the thief on the cross had a “Baptism of repentance” that did not involve any water. Was the thief’s Baptism of repentance sufficient for salvation? Did his Baptism of repentance and confession save him?”
You’re bringing up baptism, you answer.
“If Babies have not sinned, and Baptism is nothing more than a symbolic ritual, why would babies need to repent and why would you deny Gods free gift of Baptism to a sinless child?”
The discussion is about adults. Maybe you should work on your reading comprehension.
“Where in scripture does Jesus or any Apostle ever forbid Baptism of babies?”
You’re in the wrong thread. Perhaps you should go over to the story about baby’s and baptisms instead.
“Does Baptism save us?”
Does baptism have anything to do with this topic?
No. You’re commenting on the wrong story.
[-3] May 10, 2015 at 7:52pm
But that’s not what you said originally.
“St. Pope JP II and a resurgence of Catholicism brought down Communist Poland. ”
Thus, my correction of Solidarność bringing down Communist Poland. Being a supporter to Solidarność and the Pope and Catholicism being the collapse of Communism in Poland are two completely different things.