User Profile: Caleb-Texas


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  • [1] November 13, 2014 at 4:13pm


    I tried to keep this conversation civil and charitable, something that you should learn in order to be a more effective apologist, arguing that I am lying or ignorant is comical at best.

    You seem to be confusing rites of the Catholic Church with Eastern Orthodox Churches, which are NOT in full communion with the Bishop of Rome. This is an important distinction that you are failing to make. The Catholic Church is one, universal and apostolic church that is made up of different rites such as the Roman Rite and the Byzantine Rite just to mention two of them.

    When I refer to Eastern Rites of the Catholic Church I am referring to those Catholic Churches from the East that are indeed in full communion with the Bishop of Rome and the doctrines of the Catholic Church.

    Now if you are making the argument that the Eastern Catholic Catholic Churches (those eastern rites that are in full communion with the Catholic Church) deny the doctrine of Purgatory. I will be more than happy to see the evidence and be fraternally corrected.


  • November 7, 2014 at 5:44pm

    By Faith… you are in great form today!

    Great to see you! God Bless!

  • [2] November 7, 2014 at 5:43pm

    BTW the theology behind indulgences is solidly based on scripture and the catholic teaching on indulgence has never change or stop.

    For a great explication of indulgence and the Catholic Church I recommend you this link:

  • [1] November 7, 2014 at 5:40pm

    JB Again you should know better…there are many teachings of the Catholic Church that were universally held before they were flushed out and define, that does not mean that they were invented when they were proclaim as dogma. Moreover there is alway room to grow deeper in knowledge about our believes…this is what Cardinal John Henry Newman wrote about in his Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine.

  • [1] November 7, 2014 at 5:35pm

    JB you talk like you know a lot about the Catholic Church but you got certain facts wrong. As you know the Catholic Church is constituted by multiples liturgical rites including some from the east and some from the west. However they all are fully united in the their teachings.

    When you said “no other rite of the Catholic Church accepts Purgatory dogma” you are making an incorrect statement. All rite are in full communion with the Bishop of Rome and thereby in full communion with the teachings of the universal church.

    You most also know that proclaiming a a believe as dogmatic do not entailed that that believe was not previously held to be true by the universal church. There are plenty of examples of dogmatic teachings of the Catholic Church that have been always held by the church but were not dogmatically define.

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  • [2] November 5, 2014 at 6:15pm

    Chamber and Begree very well said…I like all your question be green!

  • [2] November 5, 2014 at 6:13pm

    Dear Brightooth,

    I am sorry but you are misrepresenting the teachings of the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church does not teach salvation by works…that is silly! Salvation is a free and un-merrited gift from God. Purgatory is throughly biblical:

    Rev 21:27, Matthew 5:48, Mathew 12:32, Matthew 5:24-25, I Corinthians 3:11-15,
    and II Maccabees 12:39-46 (but protestant excluded this book)

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  • [1] November 5, 2014 at 5:57pm

    Dear Mark,

    The point that JB brings is a valid point but for the sake of discussion lets assume for a second that Jesus meant heaven.

    Two points:

    First, purgatory is not necessary a place but a state of being. Many theologian including Joseph Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVI) have speculated that purgatory can happen in an instant as the soul meets the purifying fire of God’s love.

    Second, after the thief accepted Christ his suffering on the Cross can be redemptive suffering, as they are united with Christ suffering…in order words yes he is going to be with Jesus and he knows it but he still need to endure his Cross!

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  • [2] November 5, 2014 at 5:49pm

    Say what?

  • November 5, 2014 at 5:25pm

    Well said!

  • [2] November 5, 2014 at 5:24pm

    I am sorry to break it to you but Sola Scriptura (Scripture alone) is a man-made tradition. That is about 497 years old.

  • November 5, 2014 at 5:22pm

    Great post!

  • [2] November 5, 2014 at 5:08pm

    The Church also commends almsgiving, indulgences, and works of penance undertaken on behalf of the dead:

    Let us help and commemorate them. If Job’s sons were purified by their father’s sacrifice, why would we doubt that our offerings for the dead bring them some consolation? Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them.611

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  • [2] November 5, 2014 at 5:07pm

    Here is what the Catechism of the Catholic Church says about Purgatory:

    1030 All who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven.

    1031 The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned.606 The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire:607

    As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgment, there is a purifying fire. He who is truth says that whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age nor in the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come.608

    1032 This teaching is also based on the practice of prayer for the dead, already mentioned in Sacred Scripture: “Therefore [Judas Maccabeus] made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin.”609 From the beginning the Church has honored the memory of the dead and offered prayers in suffrage for them, above all the Eucharistic sacrifice, so that, thus purified, they may attain the beatific vision of God.610

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  • November 5, 2014 at 4:56pm


    I will like to challenge your statement about man made doctrines. Do you mean:

    Once save always saved doctrine? Bible alone doctrine? or the Rapture doctrine? The rejection of the real presence in the Holy Eucharist, which Paul rejects? The necessity of Baptism for salvation?

  • [5] November 4, 2014 at 7:01pm


    Great to see you again! Keep up the good work!

  • [8] November 4, 2014 at 6:59pm

    It seems that most protestant in here have their own idea about what Catholic doctrine is but don’t really care to understand it, instead they rather beat up a straw man to their hearts content.

    Do you really think that right now you are free from all attachment from sin? That you will not commit any sin at all until God calls you to your heavenly reward? If so you are going straight to heaven. If not we know from scripture that nothing unclean will enter heaven (Rev. 21:22) thereby there must be a cleansing from all attachment to sin that must happen before going to heaven. This is purgatory. It is not necessary a place but a state of being…that can be instantaneous.

  • [16] November 4, 2014 at 6:55pm


    Geez…please understand Catholic doctrine before making such ignoramus statement.

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  • [-2] November 4, 2014 at 6:54pm

    Really? Can you substantiated your claim?

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