its not a pagan holiday
the magi followed the star and gave baby jesus gifts. this happened on 12-25-2 bc
its all about the manger not a tree, but I don’t see how a tree hurts
this dvd about the star shows a lot more than jesus birth…….go to amazon.com u will find many dvds u wont see on atheist tv
Yes it is. It's a pagan holiday. The three wise men? Reference to the constellation Orion, his belt specfically. Star in the east? Go ahead, guess what those stars seem to be 'going towards'. Cross? Guess what's in the sky in that same region. Died on cross and rose three days later? Reference to the winter solstice. What died there? The sun... Hmm, the sun, the son... I wonder where this all came from.
Actually it is a pagan holiday. Constantine decreed that Jesus's birthday needed to be the same day as the winter solstice, Dec. 25th, to attract those who worshiped Sol Invictis.
caveman, the answers you are looking for can be found in Jeremiah 10 in the Holy Bible. God can't be any clearer than He is in that chapter - about the cutting down and decorating of trees being idolatry.
Also - if you will take the time to watch this video (link below), or any of the many videos out there, it will explain to you the whole nine yards. i.e. "christ-mass" history, how pagans believed that the evergreen tree symbolized eternal life , which is why they chose to worship that particular tree, and it will tell you how the "sun god" (NOT the SON OF GOD) was born on Dec. 25., and how yes, all of these holidays originated from the pagan religion - and how because us Christians were not reading our Bibles as we should have been, satan was able to gain a foothold on our calendar - and in our souls.
blinknight - just to show you how "asleep" all of us have been ........... the Bible doesn't mention anything about "three" wise men. At all.
It just says there were "wise men" - it does say the "wise men" brought gold, myrhh and frankencinse (sp?) - that may be where the whole "three" men came in the picture. But if you ask anyone "How many wise men were there?" - they normally will always laugh, and then say, "Well, do'h, there were 3 of them".
In reality, we don't know for the Bible never specifies how many. Yet via "christ-mass" cards and cute lit'l "christ-mass" songs, we have all just been brainwashed into believing that there were "three" of them.
See how deceptive satan is - God says in the end days he will deceive the whole world. You, me, we are not exceptions to his deception, either. That is why it is crucial that we keep our heads IN God's Word so we WILL have HIS truth - and not the secular (or hollywood's) world's lies.
@Via. You should have put a disclaimer on your video link, that Jim Staley has been indicted for fraud and is facing 30 years in federal prison. Plus, Staley is likely a heretic, since there is no bishop to guide him, as the bible requires. (Remember, 1 Tim 3 describes the qualifications of a bishop) Staley gives his personal, private interpretation of the Bible, contrary to 2 Peter 1:20, which prohibits private interpretation of the scriptures. All point to the sola scriptura heresy and eternal damnation, if you believe in the Bible.
@TheOnlyOracleOfMan: "Actually it is a pagan holiday. Constantine decreed that Jesus’s birthday needed to be the same day as the winter solstice, Dec. 25th, to attract those who worshiped Sol Invictis."
I do not think that this is an entirely accurate portrayal. There was a concern in the early church about retaining things that had pagan connotations and spiritual uncleanliness about them. One can see the same type of things done for saints' feast days and even the sacred groves that were once thought inhabited by gods or spirits.
Yes, the old holiday was adopted, but not to celebrate the Winter Solstice, but to rhetorically and ritually purify it as fit to celebrate the Incarnation and to attract pagans for conversion.
In short, despite the paranoia of some fundamentalist pietists about Christmas and its "connections" both to paganism and Catholicism, one is not suddenly worshiping the Unconquered Sun or Tammuz just because they celebrate the Incarnation on what used to be a pagan holiday.
@ TheOnlyOracle - thanks, I didn't know that about Staley. I guess I'll have to start linking to another one of the many videos out there on the subject.
@Magister, respectfully I regret that I must disagree.
You may want to read Pagan Christianity: Exploring the Roots of Our Church Practices, by Frank Viola and George Barna. I don't agree with everything they say, but much of it is enlightening.
@Via. You're welcome.
November 16, 2014 at 10:59am
its not a pagan holiday…the magi followed the star and gave gifts to baby jesus this happened on 12-25-2 bc
[-1] November 16, 2014 at 10:55am
its not pagan
see the dvd the bethlahemstar
the magi followed the star to the manger and gave baby jesus gifts
that day was 12 25 2bc
this dvd shows more that was written in the stars,,,,including His death
It is totally pagan and the bible forbids participating in those lies. I doubt if you even know who the magi were...and the mage didn't show up until the Messiah was at least 2 years old. The magi never visited Him at His birth. READ YOUR BIBLE FOR THE FACTS.
Yes and when they found him he was about 3. He WAS NOT BORN ON DECEMBER 25th. Do your homework. Biblically it doesn't add up. Study scripture
He was not a baby when they came...please read!
"And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him. And when they had opened their treasures, they presented gifts to Him: gold, frankincense, and myrrh".
See, He was no longer in the manger or sukkah, nor was he still a baby!
[-1] September 8, 2014 at 3:10pm
all 4 evils hate usa and Israel Christian and jews from the beginning of time
white red black and pale horses
rome sits on the dragon with ten horns and crowns………………..
The USA is not even pro God, the democrats came very close to removing any mention of God at their convention. Do you REALLY believe Obama is a Christian ? lol! I personally believe New York is the city talked about in Revelation that sits on a harbor and is destroyed in an hour and all the merchants of the world grieve over it. America has become land of abortions, murders and anything goes. just my opinion
September 8, 2014 at 3:07pm
the Vatican is not Christianity….rome is sitting on the dragon
 September 8, 2014 at 3:04pm
turkey was where the first 7 churches was located…where they first started calling them christians
 September 8, 2014 at 3:02pm
can we separate the socialist religion and state already=maybe too late now
September 8, 2014 at 3:01pm
the first Christmas was 12 -25 -2 bc go to bethlahemstar.com or net….. the magi gave new born jesus 3 gifts
like forcing Christians through taxes to fund the socialist religion…or else
I don’t see Christians doing what the left does…read history like no taxes without rep……………….
 July 5, 2014 at 12:36pm
what…it was created by romans to continue their socialist fascist rule….changing thier name while still acting like romans… any Christian who fell for the cross on the flag warmongering was deceived by evil lefties. anyone who spoke aganst the romans got the same thing as before they highjacked the cross…can u read history or what…the romans demanded the bible by the true church elders and they knew how dangerous it was to tickoff rome
 May 21, 2014 at 2:34pm
we are a socialist nation
pay up and shut up or else…u sheeple
 May 21, 2014 at 2:32pm
I find unreal that anyone with half a brain thinks that todays America has anything to do with a CONSTITUTION.
the fox is running the hen house, ignoring all the rules=USSA
while we spend millions outside usa …to people who hate us and often attack and kill us we ignore our vets who waged illegal foreign wars and infrastructure falls apart and jobs leave……need I go on
May 17, 2014 at 10:26am
ive seen a lot of nice girls date BAD BOYS too
it goes both ways..after a while those same nice girls start blaming all men and turn into bad girls
May 16, 2014 at 1:24pm
the exstreme right is only exstreme cuz you socialist fascists are so far left
YOU R THE EXSTREME
U HATE AMERICA , THE CONSTITUTION, OUR CULTURE OUR COLOR OUR FREEDOMS AND SUCCESS
you are the Socialists enemy and u know it
you know what happens to people like us when people like u get too much power and u WANT it
people like u revel in evil…read history
life is a choice….u chose evil
we need the most rightwinger to run….I choose PALIN
May 16, 2014 at 1:16pm
and that’s why under 25 shouldn’t vote.
wake up America…THEY ARE TOO YOUNG AND DUMB
unless they are in the military of course
SOCIALIST religion shouldn’t be allowed to target youth in schools or tv
unless its the parents of course
May 15, 2014 at 1:29pm
what does it matter now””’they were promised 8 yrs by rhino RNC repubs traitors…the damage is done…try to undo it and they will riot…nobody is in jail. they got promoted
bend over America…americans have been bending over for decades
What's your point? That your retarded? Well you made that point. We got it.
May 15, 2014 at 1:18pm
people want to be lied to…they will get angry if you tell them what they don’t want to hear or they ignore it.. politicians have been liars and traitors for decades and people seem to just not care. even though its easy to see the truth in action or inaction…17 tril debt and growing,,,open borders…9-11 economy crash and nothing has changed….what are people waiting for…the anti-christ
 May 5, 2014 at 8:24pm
mexico is doing what Russia did…sending people into the USA to claim the land
or maybe Russia is doing what mexico is doing for decades
this is no accident…who thinks it cant happen in america
 May 5, 2014 at 8:22pm
we are Ukraine……USA southern border
some day the Mexicans will claim the southwest and fly their flags
daring America to shoot…40 million enemy will do what Russians are doing only IN THE USA
Russia sent men to the next door neighbors to claim that they have a right to take the land
THIS IS NO ACCIDENT
think it cant happen here=wake up America…its happening right now …has been for decades
May 4, 2014 at 1:26pm
the brotherhood is IN the white house….wake up America….and the RNC knows it