Man that brings back memories… A few days after we lost our son (6) due to a teenager drifting out of the road my wife said the boy had, a few weeks earlier, stormed into the house. When asked she said some guy was taking his picture.
I have never been in a fist fight. Never made sense.
I found welling up from some deep deep place in my heart the notion that had someone deliberately killed my son – I would have killed them at the first chance I had. Still makes no sense but I do understand this dad’s reaction. I also had this eery sense of the loss of biological continuity. Many cultures treat homicide as though you not only kill the person but ALL of their potential progeny.
Agree wholeheartedly with @paulwbrown that there will be no charges brought against the dad.
Doug: You're a better man than I. But then I think how I may react, but I just really would not know until I was in the situation. I know that going to jail for reacting could be the straw that snaps any member of my family due to grief... So ya... hard to say.
Wow. So sorry for your tragic situation.
I am so sorry you lost your son. My heart hurts for you, your family and your little man taken away from you. May he rest in peace and your family find solace. Bless you all.
I am so sorry for your loss and cannot even imagine the enormous pain that you and family have experienced. May God grant you the peace and comfort that your heart needs.
So sorry for you loss.
[-2] August 31, 2015 at 1:07am
That is like asking if light was around before light. They are the same.
False premise in your question. Bzzzt.
 August 21, 2015 at 11:58am
Have a friend > 20 years who decided he was a woman. Naturally I was stunned when he told me of his decision to change. Cross-dressing struggle his entire life; like an alcoholic with drinking. Lots of shame and guilt
I replied I’d accept his decision (uncomfortably) but he had to reciprocate. “Sure”, he said.. He had helped me through the grief process after our son’s death – a GOOD friend. As a Christian I said there were other options (thinking Jesus of course). He was good with this. I wanted to talk WITH him, not AT him as so many do which only adds to the obvious pain these folks have. I have, and accept, this responsibility.
A week or two later my friend suddenly raged at me; threw our friendship under the proverbial bus. I suspect lots of pent-up anger. He declared himself an atheist and continues on this path. On American Thinker a gay fellow wrote a very reasonable article about gay double standards. The short version of an email conversation with him was that he would receive the same response, even as a gay man, as I did. The hateful LGBT folks are just as bad as the hateful non-LGBT folks. Fear drives all sides here I’d say. Accept us, but we won’t accept you – so you change. They have decided for the fight side of the flight/fight fear response. Willful rage – their choice.
The answer? 1 John 4:18 “Perfect love drives out all fear.” Truth & mercy meet at the cross. Pray, love – weep.
Satan is working over-time, dear. YOU DID THE RIGHT THING and God will not hold you accountable for trying to help him.
When praying for your friend, send the Holy Spirit to him, who will convict him, yet love him and lead him into all truths. You did your part. Now, let God take over ;-)
LOVE DOES CONQUER ALL.
 August 3, 2015 at 12:15am
So, obvious question;…
If Obama had a son, would he look like Tremaine Wilbourn?
From 1970 – 1975/6 I helped run and ran some Christian (for lack of a better phrase) halfway homes. We’d take pretty much anyone in who indicated a willingness to change their lives. Naturally, given the nature of things this included regular attendance at church, Bible studies, commitment to work, pay off any debts, clean up inside & out and so forth. After the first three days we’d know how things were going to go.
The things is is that anyone who has been on the street for the amount of time to truly qualify as homeless has a particular odor about them. They STINK! And the smell is pervasive. Had one fellow who showed up one day when we were having breakfast. Given the prevailing wind we literally could smell him at 20 yards away.. I gave him a complete new set of clothing, a brand new bar of soap, threw his old stuff away afterward and told him to go take a shower, the bathroom was all his, and to NOT come out until the bar of soap was gone. He did as I asked, put on the new clothing and still smelled.
It takes a good week to go away for most.
The policemen spend their days on the street and (pun intended) something just didn’t smell right. *s*
I think you have a good point in bringing this up. No one should mindlessly obey. And, on the other hand, I would assert that we American Christians are pretty soft and could stand a little more intellectual rigor.
 July 13, 2015 at 9:22am
I’d be interested in your suggestion(s). Who you think nails it. I’d agree there are boundaries (one of my sources would be John Locke) and there certainly many ethicists (pseudo or otherwise) who have thoughts on these issues. The statement referenced by pastor Jeffress probably sounded simplistic due to the constraints of television and the generally merciless nature of having to speak in soundbite (a language and secret code used by members of the fourth estate to maintain their perceived hegemony over the minds of their subj… viewers *g*)
It is generally accepted philosophically that Jesus’ statement is the basis of the notion of separation of powers and church and state. Islam has no such separation – witness the religious brutality in the name of the Islamic State.
My primary reason in asking, candidly, is to “fish out” whether you are just griping or actually have something to offer.
Sorry if that sounds harsh – not meant in that fashion, but after almost 35 years online (yes, I started in 1980 +/-) I’ve found this sort of question has the potential of either elevating the conversation (my desire) or weeding the knuckleheads out more quickly (also my desire). Not that you are one but that’s your choice.
Would love an intelligent respectful conversation on these issues.
No offense. But my computer degree is dated 1981. TRUST ME, there was NO INTERNET (especially as we know it now) in1980. There were a few DARPA NET type of groups of email listings. BUT NO INTERNET. That took another five to ten years to see it's birth and growth.
Were you 'online' by using Bulletin Boards (the only thing available at that time)? To access one of them you had to DIAL IN to a specific board. You didn't 'surf' into it on 'THE NET'. Sorry, but there was no net at that time. And I just don't think being able to dial into one board or another - remember, we are talking 300 BAUD at this time frame qualifies as anything more than a 'chat room'. You had to BUILD THE COMPUTER YOU USED by hand, by yourself. At that time ALTAIR was a popular build, but I KNOW that they sold less than 1000 in the first three years they were in production. And operating systems? PHHHFFFTTTTT! NO APPLE. NO MICROSOFT. Remember those days of coding what you wanted your machine to do?
Please stop making it sound like the 'net' has been around a lot longer than it has. No disrespect, but the net didn't truly come out of academia/military nets until the LATE 1980's, early 1990. Computers were NOT AVAILABLE to the general public in a 'open the box and it works' idea. The first Apple 1 recently tossed out was worth $200k in todays market - without monitor - you used a TELEVISON screen.
Thank you for pointing out the likelihood that the media had it's role in altering the spirit if not the content of Mr. Jeffress statement. Despite being misquoted, maligned and generally misunderstood by the media in the past I sometimes forget how quickly a "journalist" can sway a story.
Are Christians called to submit fully to the Government? I think that is the underlying question. We are called do pray for our leaders (1 Tim. 2ff). King David showed us an example of how a man who had the heart of Jesus would treat the leader God had put in place. We also have other examples of civil disobedience from Daniel and his vegan friends. Were our founding fathers foolishly sinning when they instigated a war that birthed our nation?
In Lockes second treatise he presents the argument that the only legitimate government is the one that has the consent of the governed. I concur and say that as a Christian I have not just the motivation, but the duty, to disobey a government that sets itself in opposition to the Father. I am a free man. I can choose how to live, (and live with the consequences). I will not submit myself to evil.
Jesus saying, give what is Caesars unto Caesar is kind of humorous to me because the reality is that Caesar owns nothing. The government owns nothing. Hillary Clinton owns nothing, even when she's not dirt poor. The Zero, and all his followers really own nothing because God owns it all. It's all His.
July 13, 2015 at 9:09am
“I think we’re confusing realms here…”
Bingo! Read John Locke again people!
 July 12, 2015 at 9:35pm
He doesn’t need high end donors. Between his own pockets and what I’d think would be a flood of small ($25-$50 donors +/-) he’d be OK.
Then, if he actually did get the nomination, after the RINOs had done all their dirty deeds to smear, lie and defame him they’d start kissing his backside for a very simple reason – their own self interest. Like Eli Turnbull in Coneheads, they’ll suck up to anyone to stay close to power.
We have LONG AGO established that actual character is only a prop in DC.
No opinion on Trump’s actual qualifications for the office as NO ONE, perhaps other than George Washington, is ever really qualified. But, he does know how to get things done. I thought Romney led with his emotions and that wasn’t the best approach. He had a real track record as a turnaround guy, kicked Obama’s butt in the first debate – and then the “leaders” and consultants got to him. His mistake – he listened. I do not yet have the impression Trump would do that.
Speak the truth Mr. Trump. Let the chips fall where they may and let the cockroaches run where they may. Jesus sure did die for all of these folks but, man, are they disgusting at times. Their word is a lie and worthless. Time for someone to kick their butt regardless of intent.
July 10, 2015 at 12:05am
Rws197, I think you are presuming the conclusion. That is inductive, not deductive, reasoning. If God is outside of space & time then He can insinuate Himself into it at will. We call it ‘miracle’ when it’s business as usual actually. In fact, miracles *should* happen if there is a god if you will.
Basing one’s faith on miracles or ‘events’ that are essentially existential in nature is inductive as well. Feelings are fine but are trailing indicators, not predicate logic. “Faith by feelings” is irrational to me. Christianity provides proof when asked. On the ground, verifiable, fact-based and beyond doubt. The “trick” is not that people CAN NOT believe but they WILL NOT believe the evidence as given (with all challengers welcomed). At that point it’s a moral choice, not one born of reason; irrational. One can be morally dishonest as well as intellectually dishonest. I assert there are more facts FOR the claims of Christ than against. That is my assertion and should also be equally suspect until proven.
I can show you a 45+ year old crocheted cross on my desk. I went to toss a closed box from one dumpster to another, heard a clear voice; “Open up the box.” I did and the cross was inside. The most reasonable and rational conclusion? God knew it was inside and told me. I sure didn’t. You now have a moral choice; am I telling you a fact? What does reason tell you is the most rational conclusion, presuming the facts I provided are genuine?