This is a TRULY scary look at what “law enforcement” is about and what they feel their power is about. The prank may have been silly and maybe annoying, but it was NOT to a level where Jack had to be assaulted. . . . . . . .THAT’S RIGHT, I said assaulted. . . . .by this bully cop.
Again, yeah, it was a rather annoying prank, but the normal response would be something less violent in nature. If Jack had walked in and squirted them with a squirt gun, then yeah, that would have warranted such a response.
He was not assaulted. An assault results in an identifiable injury.
He was lawfully controlled for a search and investigative detention. It sounds like he refused lawful, specific reasonable orders from the officer and may have struggled. If someone is struggling and must be positioned to be searched is is done deliberately and quickly. If they already failed to obey commands, what would make you think they will suddenly change? Too many officer injuries occur because they wait too long and lose controlling a situation.
This clown's odd behavior he brought this on himself. He targeted the officers, they did not target him.
This officers enquired about his interest in their food and his focus on the officer. The clown didn't leave. The officer approached and said "get off the phone" and he didn't, as the officer engaged the clown.
First, it was bad timing. With the current civil unrest going on in the USA focused against the police, one can assume these officers were being targeted. This fool could have been a distraction for something else to come.
Over the last few years officers have been killed while eating. The last occurred in Las Vegas on June 8, 2014.
If this clown had done this to you and the police were called he would have been treated the same way, if not harsher by being charged with a offense.
They had every right to arrest this fool, but he isn't worth the time or paperwork once he was checked out and identified.
Just how is the cop supposed to know he/she is being 'pranked'? The cop's life is on the line everytime he is in uniform and on the street. Way too many have been gunned down while getting a quick bite to eat or on break. It isn't about power, its about survival, especially in a big city.
August 14, 2014 at 9:58am
He . . . . . he really is! LOL
August 14, 2014 at 9:57am
This cop was WAY out of line. That’s scary if you really think about it. He is using his authority to be a bully. Most people would laugh it off.
These guys do tend to push the limit, but his prank was benign. Greg, from mediocre films, does pranks like this rarely do they escalate to THIS level, . . . . unless they were already punks/thugs.
August 14, 2014 at 9:34am
The “Great Void”??? . . . . . Where did you get THAT from???
Evidence is clear that when ANY lifeform dies, it will decay and turn to dust. NO evidence suggest anything after that. Therefor what is stated by atheists is just that. No “religion” in that stance, just evidential support.
Or, . . . are you a Poe?
August 14, 2014 at 8:57am
808, perhaps you are misunderstanding me. Of course islam is far different AND dangerous than christianity. If there HAD to be a religion in my company, it sure wouldn’t be islam. I’d prefer buddhism.
August 14, 2014 at 8:54am
And without “a prayer circle”, there won’t be any reason to “accept potential consequences”.
Also, . . . atheism isn’t “a belief”. It’s a stance. It makes no absolute claims, just a rejection of claims. “Hard Atheism” will make such claims, but there are few of those. In a way, . . . you could consider them the “Westboro Baptist Church of atheism”.
August 13, 2014 at 3:00pm
Thanks Stephen. I can better reply now. :-)
jackact, what “doesn’t public education teach anymore that makes government unnecessarily evil”?
Just as a point of interest, I don’t need “faith” to carry on. In fact, when I “had faith in god”, I was far more gullible than I am now. I believed all sorts of nonsense . . . AND agreed with atrocities. I sure was evil then.
BTW, I don’t let the government do things for me that I can do myself.
 August 13, 2014 at 1:25pm
Scenario. Your kid plays football at a public school and his coach, christian, has them all in a huddle to pray. Your kid, quietly and not very loud, decides to “speak in tongues” during the prayer. The coach comes up to him afterwords and explains how “speaking in tongues is of the devil and you [parents] and your church is wrong on that doctrine, . . . . . and your kid, persuaded by the coach, brings it up and/or leaves your church for another denomination, telling you that you believe wrongly and are influenced by Satan. Would you [then] be happy that the coach was leading them in prayer?
Here’s the thing, there are WAY too many denominations and ideologies/doctrines that will conflict with yours. At best, I would say to “lead them in a moment of silence”. People who want to pray can pray. Those who aren’t religious can focus their mind on the game ahead. Everyone wins.
August 13, 2014 at 1:19pm
Dude, that was a real good post!! :-)
August 13, 2014 at 1:08pm
I’m not a master in debate.
Anyway, there are quite a few who have made youtube videos about islam, . . . but it is true that few would be “in their face”, especially in a muslim country. Those people are freakin’ nuts!
I don’t have any issues with pagans. My brother and sister in law are pagans. I’ve gone to their friend’s house when they did a ceremony, and I have to say that the addition of “a bonfire” is pretty cool. But actually being a pagan is something I couldn’t do either.
As for “the effectiveness of an islamic coach” matters. He would need to keep his crazy religion to himself.
August 13, 2014 at 12:56pm
With that, we can agree. There is literally nothing [in "the supernatural"] that can be proven or disproven with satisfaction.
My arms are down. :-)
August 13, 2014 at 12:42pm
Prove “the devil” real!
August 13, 2014 at 12:05pm
Any “christian majority” is probably “just appearances”. I would bet you that the majority of that “christian majority” goes to church for reasons outside the literal doctrines, practices, and requirements that would determine and actual “christian”. I would say they “play a part so they can experience the ‘social club’ that is their church”, even if they only do so subconsciously. “You know them by their fruits”, . . . . and most of them are about THEIR bottom line. Put a hidden camera on them, and it may be difficult to recognize any differences when they aren’t in church.
I’m not saying “all”. I’m sure there are pious christians out there.
They don't teach this in public education anymore but government is an unecessary evil.
Religion provides human beings with the faith they need to carry on
There is NOTHING government can do for you that you cannot do better for yourself.....unless you lazy, uneducated and think like a sheep.
"They don’t teach this in public education anymore, but government is an unnecessary evil.
There is NOTHING government can do for you that you cannot do better for yourself…..unless you're lazy, uneducated and think like a sheep."
Fixed that for you.
Thanks Stephen. I can better reply now. :-)
jackact, what "doesn't public education teach anymore that makes government unnecessarily evil"?
Just as a point of interest, I don't need "faith" to carry on. In fact, when I "had faith in god", I was far more gullible than I am now. I believed all sorts of nonsense . . . AND agreed with atrocities. I sure was evil then.
BTW, I don't let the government do things for me that I can do myself.
I agreed with some of what you have stated.. but being called pious is not always taken in a good way, I looked it up in the dictionary.. many devote Christians would be offended at being called pious. I am one those, who is in my church every time the door is open, serve in several ministries... choir, nursery.. etc.. as such don't appreciate being called pious....
 August 13, 2014 at 12:00pm
You stated that “they never . . . .”. blinknight showed you that they do. Now you laugh at the evidence? . . . . . . . Really???
I would disagree with “the banning of pork” at your local school. Never heard about it. But really, I don’t think “no more pork” would cause students to convert to Islam.
As for “holiday tree vs. christmas tree”, . . . the tree is from pagan origins, so…….
And if this coach HAD been a muslim and was expecting the students to recite prayers to Allah, I’m sure the same group would have spoken up about that. . . . . and probably you too.
 August 13, 2014 at 11:15am
And that “special place” is, . . . . . . . ?
August 13, 2014 at 10:55am
“If you thought it up from scratch today, you’d be locked up for your own good.”
An excellent point from an excellently done video, . . . . . from “one of those atheists who never dare touch Islam”. Good link, blinknight.
 August 13, 2014 at 10:46am
Steve, it’s probably more about the rights of a player who may not share in the coach’s religious viewpoint. What is that player’s requirements? Is he free to “step away from the prayer circle”? Does that cause him to be “an outsider” for doing so? What if he didn’t want to run through a sign he disagreed with?
This is a public school and will have those who believe in potentially many various beliefs [depending on the area, of course], . . . so this is what I can see their point is. Not saying it IS their point, . . . but is a valid point for me anyway.
If you're a true believer, whether your belief is in God or an atheist, you would stand up for your belief. An atheist player can step away from the prayer circle but he should be prepared for whatever (if any) consequences there are. Just like Tim Tebow when he had to take the criticism of people calling him a "poser." There are ALWAYS consequences to our actions.
And without "a prayer circle", there won't be any reason to "accept potential consequences".
Also, . . . atheism isn't "a belief". It's a stance. It makes no absolute claims, just a rejection of claims. "Hard Atheism" will make such claims, but there are few of those. In a way, . . . you could consider them the "Westboro Baptist Church of atheism".
August 13, 2014 at 10:31am
….Oh wait,… That’s right, . . . they won’t be.
August 13, 2014 at 9:36am
Oh. . . HA!!! Thought that was 21. 27:17 matches their sign. I don’t necessarily find that verse to be overly religious in nature.
 August 13, 2014 at 8:54am
Proverbs 21:17English Standard Version (ESV)
17 Whoever loves pleasure will be a poor man;
he who loves wine and oil will not be rich.
Seriously??? . . . . . What does that even have to do with a football game???
I don’t really get into these “whether there IS an establishment clause or whether the 1st Amendment was broken here”, . . . but let’s be reasonable. You can have all kinds of quotes that bolster moral that don’t also have a religious theme.
I would be very interested in knowing the percentages of those who actually DO “want to pray” and “post verse references” in that school.