User Profile: ELAN114


Member Since: October 07, 2010


  • June 21, 2013 at 4:14pm

    Just because we add more agents doesn’t mean they will be allowed to do anything. 20,000 agents sitting in trucks watching people cross the border while they are barred from doing anything about it. 18 drones sitting in the hangar or just flying circles to make sure the illegals make it through the desert safely. Next they’ll probably arm the drones with the ability to make water drops to illegals along with maps on how to get to safety.

  • June 10, 2013 at 10:27pm

    Muslim, Christian whatever “We’d be a better world if we emulated … the things that work.”
    You can argue if you like but if the majority of Christian’s practiced what they preached more, prayed more, were more modest in their dress and language the work of Christ would be better respected and would spread faster. Muslim claim to do these things, and for the most part I think the moderates do a better job then most Christians I know. This is coming from a Christian convert who studied Islam at one point. Christ is the only way to salvation but we as his disciples we fail too often to set an example and that is why Cosby can say what he said. I fail far too often, I’ll admit too that.

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  • June 21, 2012 at 5:07pm

    Among Romney’s other presidential ambitions are to
    *“re-double efforts to secure the border,” – Haven’t heard Obama talk about this
    *field more Border Patrol agents – or this
    *completing a high-tech border fence -or this

    *issue more green cards
    *eliminate unnecessary red tape for certain immigrants.

  • April 16, 2012 at 11:38am

    Wow you must be the smartest astronomer in the world, you know the names of every planet in the known and unknown universe. You must be really smart eh?

  • April 12, 2012 at 4:14pm

    “They want to pay more because they know it’s their obligation”
    Then pay more, who is stopping you?

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  • April 12, 2012 at 2:48pm

    Thank you Brother, well said.

  • April 12, 2012 at 11:32am

    “She had planned to wed the previous summer, but various events delayed the nuptials.”

    Really what stopped her from going down to the court house and getting it done? Congrats you got pregnant and therefore have waived the right to your nice wedding and white dress. She shouldn’t have been having premarital sex if she was truly trying to be a good Christian teacher, but the second she took the test and it was positive she should have drug her boyfriend to the courthouse.
    But along the lines of forgiveness I would have told her that if she was married by the end of the week she could keep her job. She screwed up so she needed to fix the situation, and fixing a situation should be immediate not ‘when I get around to it’

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  • April 9, 2012 at 4:06pm

    “The Bible says numerous times that Jesus is God” Ok maybe this will help Jesus is the God of the Old Testament. What does that mean? It means that Jesus created the Earth, that when prophets of the OT were talking to God they were talking to Christ, and so God did sacrifice Himself on our behalf, I think everyone here will agree that this sounds correct. The place where the LDS view suddenly seems to throw people is that we take a step back and see that what Jesus the God of all we know created and has dominion over was done at the direction of God the Father who chose Jesus to carry out the plan for mans salvation and perfection. So basically anywhere it refers to God in the OT interpret as Jesus, but once Christ is on the earth, NT, His references to God were talking about the Father not himself, because if you look at a lot of these posts you can see many verses where,if they are “combined in one substance”, then Christ did a lot of talking to Himself which seems a little odd. Why ask in the garden if there is another way or ask why you have forsaken yourself? But they are good questions for a son who is doing his fathers will to ask IMHO.

  • April 9, 2012 at 3:54pm

    @ Stan the reason we don’t just leave your doorstep because you are Christian is because we believe that God has revealed to us many things that have been lost such as proper baptism, the proper line of priesthood authority, everything that goes on in temples and much more. We do not question that you are a Christian we are actually quite excited by that fact because it means you have already accepted Christ and therefore we can go straight to sharing with you the extra knowledge and blessings rather then trying to convince you that Christ even existed. My question for people is “are you Positive you have all the truth that God has revealed, every bit available to mankind?” If the answer is no, or that man can’t know it all then my next question is “Have you given up looking?” For me the LDS church has the answer to what God has revealed and will be the means by which He will reveal things as we can handle them or as this world draws to a close and we need to prepare. This is why we don’t just walk away from fellow Christians, because we love you too much to not share ALL of it with you.

  • April 9, 2012 at 3:41pm

    Sorry Stan this gets difficult in a 1500 word reply situation, I really prefer face to face. As to being ‘part’ of God Satan was as much a part of God as you or I am. Christ was the first born and the one chosen to be our Savior He is our elder brother and we defer to Him. Christ is the God of the old testament he is the one that created the earth under the direction of His Father. Now I am trying to condense here because there are entire discussions that could occur around each of these points. I suppose Christ becomes part of the trinity when He agreed to follow the Fathers plan for our salvation and thus they “are united in purpose, in manner, in testimony, in mission”. Satan on the other hand had a plan of his own which took the glory from the Father and therefore his plan was rejected and he then rebelled.
    Sorry I did not grow up in the Mormon church but I always believed Christ and Satan were brothers because they are both from the Father, no one could ever convince me otherwise, I couldn’t even convince myself otherwise no matter what I read or how I prayed, so I have a hard time seeing the difficulty here. One is the rebellious brother that wants you to share in his rebellion and who knew you before your birth making him that much more real and dangerous. The other is the loving brother that would lay down his life for you. Does having a bad brother decrease the level of goodness in the righteous brother?

  • April 9, 2012 at 3:26pm

    @YAHSHUARULES sorry but this is not secret stuff it is just one Brother or Sister speaking their mind about something that I personally did not feel was 100% accurate and I was concerned about it being misconstrued as actual church doctrine. While I can see where Kindling is going with this I don’t think it is the type of can of worms to open when people are already being critical enough of our core/ doctoral beliefs without throwing in speculation of something that to my knowledge has never been taught by any church leader and is no clearly defined or discussed in scripture.
    “Our minds can’t grasp and so we want to shrink The Almighty to a place we are comfortable with” I would agree with that but never the less we as imperfect human beings who do what we can to better understand and then try and grow and expand our understanding to the best of our ability and faith.

  • April 9, 2012 at 3:10pm

    @Marine25. As a Christian, LDS to be exact, I have no problem with science, rather I think science has a problem with me because I see all that God has done and the natural patterns He has put in place and understand that humans keep discovering these things. The issue however is that I continue to be humbled by the complexity of what God has created while science keeps trying to find the root cause and claim that they have found the end all and be all of existence and how it took no intelligence to create it. As one example I have no problem with the big bang theory, great idea, that would explain how God put forth all the material need to create the universe, works for me the issue comes when I ask the question “what was before the big bang?” Scientist really seem to hate it when I ask that question.

  • April 9, 2012 at 2:22pm

    “Creation is either corruptible or corrupted, hence, if something either is or CAN be corrupted, it cannot eternally redeem creation.” What? So God is incapable of creating something that can withstand corruption? He is God I find your logic hard to swallow. Second Christ is the only begotten of the Father so how can He be begotten if he already existed? Again he is the Son of God, son being someone that came forth from the Father.
    I don’t place my Faith upon one man, I place it upon all the prophets and apostles of old, of many witnesses both in Christ’s time up to the present, I place it in all scriptures and most importantly I hold to my belief based on personal study and prayer. I battled the Mormon’s for years, and believe me they were plenty shocked when I turned to them one day and said I wanted to join them. I woke up one day knowing that it WAS true and that all my fighting had been because of my stubbornness, accepting that did not make life easier, rather it holds me to a higher standard. Now 15 years later I will still testify that it is true.
    “Jesus said that he and the Father are ONE” Did you even try and read the link I posted? Smith would not argue that they are not one only that they are not ”combined in one substance” but rather “are united in purpose, in manner, in testimony, in mission…They are one in every significant and eternal aspect imaginable”.

    Now can you please answer how you know Gods time frame and reasoning so well?

  • April 9, 2012 at 1:37pm

    @YOHANNBIIMU, One I don’t have enough space to try and explain this to you when it is pretty obvious you don’t really want to try, you just don’t come across as someone that wants a discussion, sorry. But two “why did God wait so many centuries … all the while, allowing mankind to wallow in complete ignorance?” based on this why didn’t Adam fall and then Christ come the next day to atone for it, why hasn’t Christ shown up once a year every year to correct mans misconceptions from the previous 12 months? This sound like the atheist argument of because there is suffering there can be no loving God, your argument is because it took so long for God to reveal it must be false. I guess you know God’s timeline better and therefore any correction given from what 500 AD forward must be false because it took too long to get to us?

  • April 9, 2012 at 12:24pm

    Not sure Kindling but I think this might be the wrong forum for trying to discuss complex mysteries, I can see how this could become very confusing to non-Mormons and cause a good deal of controversy. Personally I disagree with what you are saying, the things that are confusing to you make sense to me but again I don’t think a public forum that lacks a lot of the background knowledge we take for granted is the proper place to have the discussion.

  • April 9, 2012 at 12:16pm

    Going to re-post this because I think you failed to see and read it the first time I posted it.

    We do believe in the trinity in the context of being “three divine persons constituting a single Godhead are united in purpose, in manner, in testimony, in mission…They are one in every significant and eternal aspect imaginable except believing Them to be three persons combined in one substance.” But as for the “combined in one substance” find me irrefutable proof of that in the scriptures, because as has been stated that is a concept determine by men hundreds of years after Christ. So ya I guess this means I am a Christian after all because as per your requirement I do believe in the trinity, just not the one determine by the Nicene & Athanasian Creed

  • April 9, 2012 at 12:07pm

    So then YOU are not a child of God? If Christ is the only begotten son period than what are you? I am a child of God but Christ was the only begotten IN THE FLESH meaning the only one to whom God through Mary created a temporal body and who’s creation was beyond that of simple nature. I defer to Christ as my elder brother

  • April 9, 2012 at 10:49am

    Just a question, if Christ is the Son of God existing as a separate physical being though united in one purpose as we Mormons believe, and if God created all things that means he create you, me and Lucifer. Now that seems to me to say that we are ALL brothers and sisters and that sadly Lucifer being one of Gods creations is also his son and our brother. How does Satan being our brother and Christ’s brother detract from Christ and His divine mission? Having converted to Mormonism this has helped me to understand just how great Christ was in His desire to follow His Fathers plan and how dangerous Satan is not only because of his ability to deceive but because as my brother he knows me well enough to be that much more dangerous.
    And now you can make the statement that as a Mormon I have been deceived by Satan already yada yada thank you.

  • April 9, 2012 at 10:30am

    Before the bashing of Mormons as non-Christian commences read this

    Particularly where Elder Holland points out that
    “Indeed no less a source than the stalwart Harper’s Bible Dictionary records that “the formal doctrine of the Trinity as it was defined by the great church councils of the fourth and fifth centuries is not to be found in the [New Testament].” 3 ”

    And also our First article of faith is “We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.”

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  • April 3, 2012 at 4:06pm

    Hateful Christians drive people away from Christ, which is exactly what happened to me as a teenager, why would Christ prefer someone that drives people away from them. Hate the sin not the sinner was the course that was taken by the people that finally converted me, they did not tolerate my sins but they not only tolerated me but loved me not just as a neighbor but a brother . What was it He kept saying about hypocrites?