User Profile: HappyStretchedThin


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  • [4] July 28, 2014 at 6:01pm

    Hi Monk!
    @ Moderate. Both you and Will are deliberately trying to paint your political allies with the same dark color the Left does. And it’s a ludicrous premise to begin with. No one thinks we can’t assimilate them. No one wants any harm to come to the children. No one thinks they’re responsible adults. No one wants to treat them as if they are. And no one wants them to wallow in misery back at home either.
    You’re asking the wrong questions, and then calling conservatives monsters when they don’t answer your faulty assumptions.
    The question isn’t what should the US do about them. It’s what should the PARENTS and the HOME countries do about them!
    Just because we have the capability to offer a wonderful society to many doesn’t mean it’s right for us to impose our way of life on others. that’s why we don’t force other countries to follow our constitutional model and have their own success. In the same way, we DO accept all “your tired, your poor, your huddled masses”, who knock at our front door. But it doesn’t do US any favors, and doesn’t do the home countries any favors either, to pretend it’s all right for THEM to shirk THEIR responsibilities to keep THEIR kids safe and prosperous. We should treat them like needy human beings in their time of need, and make the TRULY responsible parties TAKE their responsibilities.

  • July 16, 2014 at 3:58pm

    Still wondering where ManNitoba is…

  • [9] June 12, 2014 at 5:03pm

    @ The rapture: Monticello just cited 3 reputable scholars. You offer nothing but prefabricated assertions every time someone challenges you, and you completely gloss over the evidence and argument they present. You’re batting 0.000. Again.
    Or maybe reputable is another word you don’t actually understand…

  • [3] June 12, 2014 at 2:24pm

    So this is how you avoid dealing with truth that confronts your false witness?
    You like to accuse, and cherry-pick evidence, but you don’t like it when someone actually stands up to you and demonstrates how baseless the accusations are.
    I made NO claim to be ANYTHING other than LDS, and didn’t label myself as LDS either.
    What I DID do was tell the truth about what LDS doctrine claims and supports through scriptural evidence.
    YOU are the one who falsely claimed I belonged to an “emergent church”. I neither confirmed nor denied.
    And now the neutral readers are seeing who it is truly exposed as a liar.
    You want nothing to do with me? It does you well. But I already know your definition of a cult: anyone who doesn’t believe like you.
    The problem is that cults are about a central charismatic leader who profits by exercising power over weak-minded followers. Show me ONE example of Mormons behaving like that.
    The problem is that scriptures do NOT grant authority. You’ve cherry-picked again by glossing over Hebrews which makes plain that “no man taketh this honor [to preach and serve in a priesthood capacity] upon himself”. Your problem is you can’t show a SINGLE biblical example where someone didn’t WAIT to be authorized before disseminating God’s word.
    Your doctrinal legs are thin indeed, and your much noise signifies nothing because your courage is sapped by a lack of truth behind it.
    Stop lying, repent, and I’ll forgive as He will.

  • [8] June 12, 2014 at 2:13pm

    So far you seem to be listing more words you understand backwards (a neutral observer to this conversation would easily find that your manner of arguing is the eisegetical one because they falsely claim rigidity of interpretation where rational readings can disagree.)
    And more scriptures you cherry-pick without dealing with the actual question at hand: I cited 4 counter examples to show that it’s a perfectly biblical concept of Christ that He be considered a separate being from the Father, and that your claim that He couldn’t have been created by the Father is not biblical fact, but biblical interpretation. You may not agree with it, but you have NOT demonstrated that your interpretation is the only valid possibility. I don’t have that burden. All I have to prove is that you’re overly rigid.
    Interesting though, that you appeal to Judaism. And after correcting your misstep in claiming they worship Jesus (they don’t, but rather Jehovah, who Christians like myself CLAIM is one and the same), I’ll call your attention to the fact thattTheir concept of MULTIPLE supreme beings (hello: Elohim has a PLURAL ending on it), kinda lends credence to my interpretation, not yours.
    We can agree that ONE meaning of begotten could refer to His body only, and that would explain the “Son” title, but then that would also be cherry-picking because of the other 2 I mentioned (Stephen saw 2 beings at his stoning, they don’t share a brain. Explain. Go!

  • [6] June 12, 2014 at 1:30pm

    Silly Rapture,
    First of all, people who stay silent about cults don’t hate them, they condone them.
    Second of all, no one would have a problem with you if you were using your voice against an ACTUAL cult.
    What you’re doing is bearing false witness (you know, something a self-proclaimed bible expert probably should know is a bit of a no-no) about what IS and is NOT properly classified as a cult.
    Telling people they belong to a cult, when they clearly don’t, isn’t truth–it’s quite the opposite.
    But let’s hear it from you: what IS a cult, in your definition?

    on your doctrinal challenges
    1. Those words are all WRITTEN, not spoken.
    2. The ones credited to John are indeed from John the beloved (and are examples of him citing Jesus’s direct speech), who also wrote Revelation, and the ones in Galatians by Paul the Apostle. In both cases they were inspired by the Holy Ghost, to men who were AUTHORIZED to speak on behalf of Christ. Which begs the question: how did YOU get authorization to speak for Christ?

  • [18] June 12, 2014 at 1:17pm

    You claim a huge sticking point to LDS doctrine is the idea that Lucifer (who YOU admit is a creation of God) shares ONE point of similarity with Christ in that Christ ALSO was created by His Father, thus making them brothers.
    Except that to argue that this is non-Biblical or incompatible with your cited scriptures, you have to IGNORE UMPTEEN citations about Christ being “begotten” of a Father, about the fact that He’s called Son (and the other is called Father), about the fact that the two of them can be seen together as SEPARATE individuals at Stephen’s trial, that they DON’T share a brain (the Son knows NOT the day nor the hour of His own return, but the Father does), etc.
    In truth, you’re just ideologically blind, and reject VERY biblical ideas (I didn’t reference ANY other source), because they don’t happen to match your CONCLUSIONS. It’s the same mistake Bill Nye makes on climate change, mistaking his conclusions for the evidence itself and claiming anyone who doesn’t believe his conclusions is a flat-earther.
    In short, your argument is based on cherry-picking biblical references, not on solid exegetical principles.
    I add this not for your own benefit, but for others who may be reading this who deserve a reasoned counter-point.

  • [7] June 12, 2014 at 12:51pm

    Your claim to love and concern is touching. But your version of this “tough love” that speaks “truth” to “error” seems a lot more like hatred when it has to pass through lying about what people actually believe in order to “prove” they don’t believe what they think they believe, or what you think they should believe.
    In the same spirit of love–scratch that–in a TRUE spirit of love, I invite you to examine the emotions animating your speech, because it is out of the abundance of the heart that the mouth speaketh.
    People who are truly engaged in trying to convince another that their beliefs are in error DON’T begin by accusation and finger pointing. They begin by dialog, finding out where the common ground lies, and building positively upon it. They listen and the restate the other’s beliefs back to them until the other replies “yes, that’s what I believe”. You’re failing the test of someone who truly cares to convince.
    Even you accusations you use for emotional impact, rather than truth. A “cult” behaves almost NOTHING like the LDS church behaves.
    And that’s BEFORE we even get to your merits.
    You consistently mistake your own interpretations and conclusions for biblical evidence, and then accuse people of not being biblical when they don’t conform to YOUR conclusion. What the Bible states, and what YOU think the Bible MEANS are separate things. If the Bible were transparent, there wouldn’t be ANY denominations, would there.
    Be truthful, it help

  • [17] June 12, 2014 at 10:30am

    This is actually good. We have you on record now. When your prediction proves false, will you then admit you’re a false prophet? Their evidence of their history does not bode well for your prediction either, I must say.
    If you knew anything true about the LDS beliefs OR about what a cult even IS, you’d stop the name-calling. Or perhaps the monicker “whited wall” applies more to yourself?

  • [10] June 12, 2014 at 10:23am

    Interestingly, that’s what Ordain Women claims. Cooler heads and those paying attention notice a few differences: allowing Blacks to hold the priesthood was a top-down move responding to needs on the ground. No one was excommunicated for activism beforehand and no one was excommunicated for opposing the “revelation” afterwards (because it wasn’t opposed). It also wasn’t a reaction to activism (or it would have been done in the 60s).

  • [4] June 12, 2014 at 10:19am

    LDS doctrine allows for degrees of glory within the “heaven” you’re referring to. Excommunication, unless the individual repented and re-baptized, would knock someone out of contention for the top spot only.

  • [56] June 11, 2014 at 8:31am

    More zappa-esque malliteracy. I hate to burst your bubble (you seem to have lots of them), but words MEAN things. There’s a technical term the media uses to communicate what’s common about Columbine, Sandy Hook, and other incidences of violence with guns where someone intent on killing innocents brings guns to school. If you can’t distinguish between this and the many other kinds of defensive acts, or violent acts whose causes and effects have nothing to do with the school except that they happened to occur there (like gang violence converting the school into a battleground), then heaven help the poor accused sot who gets you on his jury. We have degrees of murder and manslaughter in recognition of various circumstances, intentions, and stages of planning behind criminal acts for a reason, dufus.
    Now, if you are arguing that it is ridiculous for us to point out that 33 of these 74 “school shootings” belong in another category because 41 remain properly categorized and even ONE is too many, that’s a different argument. But then the question becomes how to solve that problem. Show me ONE SHRED of evidence that banning the guns, or stricter gun laws of ANY kind reduces these kinds of shootings. The truth is that the evidence is not on your side: gun violence goes down when responsible gun ownership goes UP.

  • [53] June 10, 2014 at 11:59pm

    The only thing Everytown will learn from this is never to publish the internals of their “studies” (read: fabrications).

  • [139] June 9, 2014 at 7:37pm

    Let’s imagine she’s telling the truth that she was underwater. All the MORE reason not to trust her anywhere NEAR the purse-strings of the state! With THAT much coming in, with THAT much power and influence, you STILL couldn’t manage your own household?

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  • June 9, 2014 at 3:02pm

    Your father’s service and testimony are to be lauded. He and his fellows did work of liberation under conditions of a terrible division in the country. If he landed in a place where the welcome was less than warm (or boiling as the case may be), I applaud him all the more for braving the disrespect of the natives.
    But with all the respect he is owed for this service, and despite all the truth his testimony holds, it’s still true that the Resistance loved the American presence in France and was more popular than the Collaborators. Maybe if you picked up a few more books than you apparently have, you’d discover that anecdotal evidence is not authoritative until corroborated by other forms of evidence. And the weight of testimony, I’m afraid, simply isn’t on your father’s side on this matter.

  • [3] June 9, 2014 at 12:23pm

    @woodyee. Maybe you’re just too glib by half, and I’m over-concentrating on things you don’t mean. But seriously, yes it WAS French govt officials (that’s what the Vichy army WAS) firing at our boys alongside the Germans. Were there SOME willing collaborators? Of course. Does that indict an entire country, as you suggest, as being collaborationist? Why are you so intent on thereby belittling the sacrifices of the French Resistance movement? Do you honestly think there’s some direct line of thought connecting collaborationist Vichy govt capitulation to superior German force with modern-day capitulation to what you call “accommodating muslim immigrants”? The first was a BETRAYAL of French values, the other is IN SERVICE of the universal rights of man they claim as their core national values. And you’re just factually upside-down wrong (hence more weight behind the accuracy of my calling you a dufus) on the direction of French immigration laws. The legal changes I’ve cited have tightened up, especially vis-a-vis Muslim countries, the borders. They regulate private expressions of faith (no hijab in school, no niqab in public places, they make construction of Mosques overly difficult, etc.), and debate new measures against illegal immigration all the time.
    It’s important that we, on the right, form our opinions on accuracy, so when you’re not left, you still get “dufus” from me when you’re just stubbornly wrong.

  • [2] June 9, 2014 at 12:09pm

    Maybe in the American media, but the French movie industry has dozens of examples over the years of exploring the topic of the Collaborators. The French GOVT got beat, and was forced to collaborate, and enough of the people stayed on the fence or were sympathetic to make this stick too long. But there’s a reason the Resistance won, and it wasn’t because they were in the minority. And the values that made them resist were the French values they still claim, and that the collaborators were betraying. And in order to re-build the nation afterwards, building on the ideas of liberty, justice, equality, fraternity, makes a lot more sense than wallowing in a self-pitying guilt for crimes some committed in the name of power and/or weakness. No one, LEAST of all the French, gives the Collabos a “pass” for their behavior during the war. Or maybe you think the Purge (wave of executions immediately following the war, for war crimes, dereliction of duty, even anti-Semitic writings as in the case of Robert Brasillach) somehow constitutes a “pass”. It’s very hard for me to abide historical a ignoramus pontificating on a history he himself knows so little about.

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  • [8] June 9, 2014 at 10:47am

    This French prof feels responsible to weigh in here:
    First of all it’s a European power with an immigration problem created by its need to rebuild after RESISTING the Nazis, you dufus. NEVER mistake the government for the nation.
    Second of all, its immigration problem has a major Muslim component because of its colonial history, but it has been resisting Islamism consistently since the early 2000s, (MANY times in exactly the wrong, religious-liberty-killing way, imho).
    Third of all, to anyone (even the French!) who understands the cultural importance of bread and pastries, referring to a “fournée” does NOT necessarily refer to the cooking, but to the uniform batch of dough about to go INTO the oven. Le Pen was trying (VERY badly) to belittle his opposition by claiming their arguments are all the same, conformist, and cliché (the BEST translation of his IDEA is “they are all cookie-cutter”). His word choice is TERRIBLE, and just gives fuel to his critics.
    Finally, the right in France and Europe more broadly has a fundamentally different concern than US Conservatives, and the parallels people draw sometimes paint US conservatives out all wrong. For them, it’s about defending certain traditions because they belong to an exclusive culture. For us it’s about the right to HAVE our own traditions. Their tips over into fascism, ours tips over into libertarianism.

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  • May 23, 2014 at 11:54am

    Ummm…It doesn’t take an authority to actually READ the thing. I suggest you try.
    Begin with Article I, Section 8 (clauses 1, 12, 13, 15, and 16) for a direct refutation of your ignorance. The rest should cure a great number of your other points of ignorance as well.
    On the GOP not being in the majority at the moment: fair point, actually. We’re working to change that on the ground. But we’re also NOT arguing from the standpoint of political whims either. We’re elucidating a general principle which, if understood more broadly by the general public, would swing electoral victories WIDELY to the Republicans. It’s hard to beat Santa Clause Democrats who promise the moon, and a good life too, but the sad reality is that government can NOT govern people where they are unwilling to govern themselves. Choices made as closely as possible to the individual level are most likely to create a responsible civil society BETWEEN people. Government is necessary, but should therefore be limited. Just as a single powerful example, Obamacare is being recognized more and more as the boondoggle pipe-dream it always ever was, and the mid-terms are set to swing HEAVILY to the GOP.

  • [1] May 23, 2014 at 11:02am

    p.s. About deadbeats. Banks that are responsible to their shareholders have a way of dealing with deadbeats: they don’t give loans to people with bad credit histories. The govt has painted itself into a corner on this by mandating credit to all regardless of history, collateral, projected future earnings, or any other RATIONAL basis for refusing a loan. This is NOT about greed. It IS about governmental lunacy

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