User Profile: HarryPotter

HarryPotter

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  • [12] March 21, 2015 at 5:45pm

    “This a wake up call to the Left about how their own tactics can be used against them.”

    Yes, because gay people are trying to kill straight people and make it illegal to be straight.

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  • [11] March 19, 2015 at 11:35am

    Foo:
    Are you seriously suggesting gay men have sex for most of the day every day? Are you really suggesting that we are only focused on sex? And then you suggest that all lesbians are morons? These aren’t even stereotypes, this is just your misconceptions (to put it nicely). Seriously, actually try and talk with a gay person, we’re not really different than straight people.

    Serg:
    Exactly what does a father do that a mother can’t do? Exactly what does a mother do that a father can’t do? Any good parent will ensure a child has role models of both genders in the child’s life, so what exactly is less desirable about a gay couple as parents?

    Jblaze:
    See above. Let me know what a mother does that a father can’t, or vice versa.

    Argyle:
    Ok then, please cite all the scientific studies (not religious ones, and not the debunked Regnerus study) that says gay parents don’t raise children as well. How many professional organizations (again, not religious) say a child should not be raised by gay parents. I can list several of both to the contrary, and will if you don’t see them in your searches.

  • [13] March 19, 2015 at 10:20am

    Sars:
    We should absolutely listen to what this woman says. But we should not ignore her situation, or the other children raised by gay parents who have only positive things to say.

    Foo:
    How am I denying anything, or changing the subject here?

  • [94] March 19, 2015 at 10:02am

    This woman appears to have mostly been upset about the divorce, not the same-sex marriage. She lost her father and missed him, that is absolutely understandable, and would have been true if her mother had stayed single or even married another man. All the scientific research into same-sex parenting has shown that gay parents raise children equally well, or better than their straight counterparts.

    Let’s focus on the quality of parents rather than what is in between their legs.

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  • March 18, 2015 at 3:35pm

    Socialism:
    I was just replying to the abomination claim. But I believe it was also Peter who said women are not permitted to speak in church. And also, that doesn’t negate other laws like ones on shaving or wearing certain fabrics.

  • [1] March 18, 2015 at 3:33pm

    Socal:
    I broke the 9th commandment by telling my nephew that Santa Claus exists. The world didn’t end. But if you support following ALL Biblical laws, you must also support banning shaving, eating shellfish and permitting women to speak in church. There are rules against all of those.

    Miz:
    We agree on a lot, but you seem to think that being gay (or at least gay sex) is sinful, but presumably do not find women speaking in church to be sinful. Isn’t this cherry picking Bible verses just like you said? You also list porn as a sin, but that isn’t even in the Bible (as far as I remember).

    Socialism:
    Well I have a masters degree in ancient history, I have studied this in depth. If you doubt what I have said, look it up on your own. And my argument has never been that anything is ok because someone else did it. This all started with me explaining why verses on male-male sex ended up in the Bible to begin with. Perhaps you should go back and read through this thread again.

  • [2] March 18, 2015 at 12:26pm

    Miz:
    I don’t think I originally expressed myself properly. I only meant that the writers were men, and therefore fallible. You can absolutely say that the Bible was divinely inspired, that God was whispering in their ears. My point is that even if there was divine inspiration, men held the pen. So I don’t like to focus on individual words or verses because they may have made errors or let their own though slip in. I prefer to follow the message as a whole.

    And for the record, I am not an atheist and have no interest in disproving God. He cannot be proven or disproven.

  • March 18, 2015 at 11:44am

    Svan:
    God never said that. There is a verse in Leviticus that says that (almost) and it is right by another verse that says eating shellfish is an abomination.

  • [1] March 18, 2015 at 11:43am

    Miz:
    While it is true that marriages arranged by parents were exclusive for nobility, I can assure you this was the case for all of society. For the poorer classes, marriage was arranged early (teenagers) to make more children to help in the fields or family business. Marrying for love wasn’t even a concept until a couple hundred years ago.
    Again, homosexuality didn’t exist back then, sexual orientation itself didn’t exist. People of course had preferences, but they didn’t have these labels. And in nearly every city, it was common for men to have sex with other men and women. This was freely talked about as well, they did not have the taboo that we have now with it.
    And yes, the Bible was written by men. That is fact, not opinion.

  • [2] March 18, 2015 at 10:28am

    Texas:
    The Bible condemns male-male sex mainly because the ancients had vastly different concepts of sexuality and orientation than we do today. In that time, frequent sex was common, even for married men, and they had sex with men and women alike with no real issue with the gender they had sex with. It was common and accepted for men to have sex with men and women. But marriage was still used to carry on the family name, and to further political ties. Marriages were not made out of love, but out of monetary and political opportunity for the parents. Some people had preferences for one gender or the other, but there were no gay marriages then. Today, we marry for love, and gay couples marry for love to. The rules in the Bible were mainly to stop rampant extra-marital sex, and gay marriage wasn’t around back then. Today, gay couples can marry and be devoted to one another for the rest of their life, and still have children.

    This is similar to rules banning women from holding authoritative positions or speaking in church. The Bible was written in a different time, by men with their own motives.

  • [-1] March 18, 2015 at 10:18am

    Marriage has always included gay couples in Gods eyes.

  • [2] March 18, 2015 at 10:17am

    Are straight relationships only about sex? Then why do some straight people only associate gay relationships with sex?

  • [2] March 18, 2015 at 10:14am

    Good for them. As more and more people recognize that gay couples are just as loving and deserving of marriage as straight couples, churches need to match these beliefs. If you don’t agree, don’t be a part of their church. But God has nothing against gay people or gay relationships.

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  • March 17, 2015 at 10:54am

    Argyle:
    So the couple NT verses banning women speaking in church only applied to a couple churches, but the couple NT verses banning male-male sex apply to everyone? Because you say so, even though nothing in the Bible says this?

    yup. That totally makes sense.

  • [-1] March 17, 2015 at 10:48am

    Dwilk:
    You are right, ancient societies did not have the concept of sexual orientation that we have, so the Bible never actually mentions gays or gay marriage at all. In fact, when it was written nearly all societies treated sex between men and men as normal, nearly all men did this.

    The Bible does have a couple obscure passages about male-male sex, this is true. But if you are going to condemn gay sex based on the Bible, here are a few other things you should also condemn: shaving, eating shellfish, wearing certain fabrics, permitting women to speak in church, etc. seriously, read all of Leviticus. The rules in there are crazy. And I don’t recall Jesus saying that the rest were ok, but the gay ones still apply. You don’t get to pick and choose which verses you like.

  • [-1] March 17, 2015 at 10:41am

    Argyle:
    Have read the Bible. Nowhere does it ban gay marriage. But there are examples of polygamy, child marriages and cousin marriages. Not the best role model.

    Texas:
    Jesus does not ever say that there is anything wrong with gay marriage. And animals and children cannot consent or sign legal documents, so no they cannot marry.

  • [2] March 16, 2015 at 7:09pm

    Once:
    It takes a special kind of person to ignore the other person’s whole point, focus on an irrelevant and unrelated side argument that they started, and then accuse the other person of deflecting.

    My whole point, as I have repeatedly said, is about sex and relationships. Consent is required for sex and marriage. Unless you are saying consent is not required for either of these?

  • [-3] March 16, 2015 at 6:36pm

    Bee:
    Neither gay relationships nor gay sex do any of those things. And the benefits are exactly the same as that of a straight couple. Gay couples cannot conceive without outside assistance, but neither can elderly or infertile couples.

    Frost:
    1- My point isn’t that it is ok to sin, it is that none of those things are sinful.
    2- you said in your last post that if there was something repugnant here, that God would still find it so. I am only going by your arguments. So let’s clear this up, do Old Testament laws count, or not?
    3- we can agree to disagree, but my point is that there are rules decrying gay sex and women speaking in church. You can’t ignore one and hold to the other arbitrarily.

  • [-6] March 16, 2015 at 6:28pm

    Argyle:
    Jesus says that man/woman marriage is one acceptable form of marriage. He does not say that there is anything wrong with man/man or woman/woman marriage.

  • [-6] March 16, 2015 at 5:13pm

    Foe:
    Yes.

    Frost:
    1- If Jesus was really opposed to slavery, which was common in his day, wouldn’t he have said something? These types of arguments have no bearing on Jesus’ actual thoughts. But I’m not talking about women serving, just speaking. A pretty clear and obvious verse, even moreso than the couple some use to classify gay relationships as “sin”
    2- so then God still doesn’t want you to eat shellfish, shave, etc? All those are expressly forbidden in the Old Testament. Eating shellfish is even called an abomination.
    3- true, and you can’t say that Jesus had any problems with homosexuality either. There is no record of him saying anything about it.

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