And most of the folks here who are saying he can't get elected have never said he isn't a "good guy."
They disagree with some off his ideology and, when we say so, his supporters go into attack mode and, instead of converting folks, turn them off and, in most cases, scare the crap out of them because it's all or nothing! That's the same mantra that Obama's supporters threw in our face in 2008, so it ain't selling well. I've talked to some very rational Paul supporters who have made a very good case for him. That isn't happening here or on any other news sites and blogs.
and if we keep kicking the crap out of each other, President Obama will win, because the fence sitters (independents and conservative Democrats) will look at us as and determine that we can't agree on anything, so why should they think we are capable of making things better?
Look at the disintegration of the Federalists after the War of 1812 and the Whig Party in the 1850s (which led to the formation of the Republican Party) and you can see that there is a historical benchmark for what, potentially, could come from what we are all doing right now. If that's what Paul supporters want, break away and run independently.
@Academica: "They disagree with some off his ideology and, when we say so, his supporters go into attack mode and, instead of converting folks, turn them off and, in most cases, scare the crap out of them because it’s all or nothing!"
It's not all or nothing. Well, it is - because it's the Constitution. But what you fail to understand here is that the alternative to Ron Paul is the exact opposite, regardless of which so-called Republican you choose. Romney, Santorum, and Gingrich are all about spending massive amounts of money stolen from "taxpayers". They are all about going to war with Iran over a nonexistent nuke program, despite experts in the US military and Israel counciling against it. Romney even said he wants to raise the minimum wage (which puts unskilled young workers out of jobs) in accordance with inflation every year. Santorum voted to expand the welfare state drastically as a Senator because he was on "Bush's team" and apparently that means you can be a principleless slug. Gingrich wants a bloody moon base, and promises $2.50/gallon gas (ignoring that inflation actually rises the price now, not supply issues - most of our oil comes from Canada already). None of them want to end the Fed or the bailout structure of Fascist "public-private partnerships" like Fannie Mae (Gingrich wants more of those...). Need I go on, or do you finally understand why I cannot support these "Republicrats" running against him - they are pretty much identic
*Identical to Obama.
See, the problem is the Republican Party has lost its principles. It is no longer the party of Eisenhower, warning of the military-industrial complex. It is no longer the party of fiscal responsibility. It is no longer the party of personal responsibility. It is no longer the party of Reagan and Goldwater, pushing for individual liberty and warning that government is not the solution, but the problem. And because of that, it will die just like the Whigs, and I will not regret it. Because, if you will recall, the Whig party was corrupt and bloated, offering no real alternative to the opposition in policy. But the Republican Party that replaced it was different - back then, it DID offer an alternative, and it did work to correct the issues in the country (namely, slavery) instead of hiding them under the rug. The party stood on a platform of principles back then and it made all the difference. Now, it wants to run on not being the other guys - and that is a recipe for disaster, as you will get far more people to vote FOR a principled stand such as Dr. Paul's than merely against Obama.
You just spent two paragraphs telling me what has been repeated over and over here. You could have just said to me that I am wrong and that you will all continue to attack anyone who disagrees with you and to get over it. You never addressed the question regarding how you plan to get folks to back you by attacking them?
Regarding the collapse of the Whig Party, some books you may want to examine to add to your knowledge base:
The Origins of the Republican Party: 1852-1856 (Gienapp)
The Missouri Compromise and its Aftermath (Forbes)
Congress and the Emergence of Sectionalism (Finkelman and Kennon)
Free Soil, Free Labor, Free Men: The Ideology of the Republican Party Before the Civil War (Foner)
You may find that the dissolution of the Whig Party was not due to what you claimed, it was due to the fact that factions ruined it, factions that were created by their hatred of Andrew Jackson, the growing abolitionist movement, and how financial issues (money policy) were dealt with. Factionalism is what we are seeing today in the Republican Party. The collapse of the Whigs led to almost a decade of Democrat rule. If you are willing to sacrifice everything to the Democrats at this point in time, we may not see a new Constitution Party rise from the ashes. You may be willing to take that gamble, a significant number of folks would rather change the system within what we have than to collapse it. I suggest you peruse the books I listed, without bias, and it may help you to modulate your current argument.
March 11, 2012 at 11:23am
Oh yeah “They” call people names too :) Minions, haha what a maroon!
March 11, 2012 at 11:18am
“They” preach hate. “They” preach racism. “They” are Evil.
Oh yeah "They" call people names too :) Minions, haha what a maroon!
February 28, 2012 at 10:56pm
How is it that a fetus or newborn baby for that matter can be killed and its ok. While people who molest, rape and kill have the right to live? Babies and the unborn are the most innocent there are. They are without fault or sin. WHY is it ok? I think we need to execute vile people and take care of babies.
February 28, 2012 at 10:35pm
Wow! Spilling the beans on Isreal; Telling the world were gonna stick our Navy Seals on a floating target and now spilling the beans on our financial crisis. Whos this guy working for Wiki leaks? Our Forefathers told us the worst threat we would ever face was foreign debt. I guess hindsight is 20/20. Foresight is worth a .40
February 26, 2012 at 5:13pm
February 26, 2012 at 5:11pm
Well some people dont, so let me tell them. Its the congressman from Texas Doctor Ron Paul. If you dont know about him, hes the one the media doesnt want you to know about. Please look him up on you tube or just google him. Seriously. Take a minute and look him up. Dont trust the mainstream mrdia. We are not part of their agenda.
February 21, 2012 at 9:50am
Barrack Husein Obama… Is that his Christian name?
February 21, 2012 at 9:45am
I agree with you. Fox News does the exact same thing.
February 21, 2012 at 9:43am
Well put. Paul is the only conservative.
February 21, 2012 at 9:41am
Marijuana? What are you talking about? I smell a troll :)
February 21, 2012 at 9:38am
Ron Paul is our best chance to turn this country around. The liberal media will continue to discredit him as a candidate. Bill O’Riley , Shawn Hannity included. Fox News has really lost me lately. They dont want this man to have a chance and he is the most conservative. They keep saying he doesnt have a chance. Maybe if they would quit trying to write him off people would give the Good Doctor a chance. I am glad to see he is getting some financial donations. If you love freedom and dont want the government in every part of your life, dont just vote Ron Paul, tell your friends to, tell your parents to, if your kids are old enough to, ask them to. Try to turn your vote into more than one by spreading the word. If you really believe his message, become a Delegate!
February 13, 2012 at 10:37pm
I for one am so excited and pleased that BHO has angered the Catholics. His days are now numbered.
February 12, 2012 at 4:29pm
Too bad romneys not going to win.
February 12, 2012 at 4:27pm
How classy. Race cards are running low. Civil rights are for everyone of all colors.
February 9, 2012 at 9:04pm
This twit needs to stay home and cook her own meals. Shes one to talk, Im sure having your own kitchen staff makes eating healthy easy. The rest of us cook for our selves usually. I want our enlisted brothers and sisters to eat whatever they think is best. Im sorry, but vegetarians are weaker than us red meat eaters. Im poor compared to most and im gonna tell ya healthy food costs more, especially vegetables. Now that our cows and chickens have to compete with our cars for food (ethanol/corn), beef costs more, chicken costs more, corn costs more and GAS costs more. Thanks for interfearing with the food chain. Im just glad they didnt figure out how to make fuel out of beer.
Wow, Obamas flunkies finally speak up. I am Sooo Happy that Obama is trying to pull this crap on the Catholic church. 19,000,000 Catholics voted for Obama in 08. I am excited that he has offended them BEFORE the election. Can you imagine what kind of crap he would try to pull on us in a second term? Its scarry. I support Ron Paul because he is the most conservative. I dont care who you vote for as long as its not Obama. Please, dont just read about polotics. Get involved for whoever you like. Vote and encourage everybody you can to vote. Between Obama and Holder our biggest threat to security is our current administration.PLEASE VOTE! BTW Foreign debt is a threat, think about it.
February 9, 2012 at 9:56am
Ignorant and racist. Shes one of Obamas M.V.Ps.
February 9, 2012 at 9:49am
How are these people getting to the polls without a drivers license? The new Black Panthers can intimidate white people outside the polls with clubs and threats, but your discriminating against minorities for asking for identification? Why arent minorities offended by this? Aww poor little minority doesnt have time to get a drivers license or photo I.D. Guess what ,it may be a pain in the *** to get some I.D. but I gotta do it! Obama and Eric Holder are both half black right? Well I hate the white half for being so stupid and the black half for thinking civil rights dont protect white people from discrimination.
February 9, 2012 at 9:27am
Ok. If god was to ask you your opinion on the plan B pill, what would you say then? Pro-Choice cowards. Im thinking instead of plan B, quit being 51ut5 and keep the baby batter out of your vagina :)