If the initial blast didn’t kill them, the fall would. Oddly enough, “fire” not really a factor in low-level power line impingement.
Most recent news shows site of event underneath some very tall power transmission lines.
Might not have been any “fire” at all.
Eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable and wildly inaccurate.
 July 30, 2016 at 7:38pm
You would have to have leg strength sufficient to push the surface you were standing on away with a force equal to the momentum you have already accumulated during your fall.
You would have to be standing on a very massive object moving very slowly to have any effect at all.
Theoretically possible under a very narrow, unlikely set of circumstances.
“Order of Magnitude” if you were in a large freight elevator that fell less than 1 floor (and you were an olympic quality long jumper with perfect timing, knowing somehow exactly when the elevator were about to hit) you could theoretically reduce the force of impact measurably.
Short answer: NFW!
July 30, 2016 at 7:32pm
More information coming out. Looks like there were some very tall high power lines in the immediate vicinity.
A big problem for balloonists. While lights/balls required for power lines in vicinity of airports, not required off-airport. Pilot supposed to have current sectionals. MOST very tall power transmission lines marked on sectionals. Very hard to see the lines themselves- the towers though should have been easy to see.
High power sparking and arcing near tanks of compressed LNG a very bad combination. Concussion of blast and fall from ~75 feet a deadly combinatinon. Fire just the icing on the cake.
Prayers and condolences for all. At this point- still conjecture until the NTSB rules- pilot error/flight into power lines.
July 30, 2016 at 4:09pm
Women and people of color have NEVER been held to the same standards as white males. Now add sexual deviants and Muslims to the “protected classes” list.
Been that way since 1977 (when I enlisted) and has only gotten worse.
Sociofascists (“progressives”) like to pretend there are no consequences for any of the freebies/special “rights” they demand.
Will Come Home
Lowering standards for preferred groups . . . are lower standards.
 July 30, 2016 at 4:00pm
The 18 passenger ones.
 July 30, 2016 at 3:59pm
They don’t exist since there aren’t any. “Voter Suppression” is now the ultra left wing dog whistle for “it will be harder for the democrats and communists to cheat.”
 July 30, 2016 at 3:58pm
1. 16 people in an 18 person gondola is not “overloaded”
2. No evidence that powerlines were involved in any way
3. Safety record of hot-air ballooning is incredible (in a good way)
However, one of the oldest memes in aviation goes something like this: “Aviating is not inherently dangerous; far from it. It is, however, extremely intolerant of error and happenstance.”
As a transportation safety professional, Rule Number 1 is “never trust initial reports.” Rule Number 2 is “never trust eyewitness accounts.”
Speculation is a side effect of human nature, but we know less than nothing at this point.
Honor: Rule 4.
If you can't control your direction of flight beyond "what goes up, must come down" you're not flying, you're dying.
July 29, 2016 at 6:33pm
Service members swear an oath to support and defend THE CONSTITUTION.
Not a politician (President included) nor a political party.
The Libertarian Party IS the party of the US Constitution.
Much more so than the misnamed political wing of the John Birch Society with the misleading name.
 July 27, 2016 at 5:29pm
The actual research article weasel-words around these issues but you are spot on.
They took “data” carefully massagd by the liberal mayors “gun tracing task force” and then cherry picked only cases where the firearm was not-yet-stolen. And the perpetrator was the “legal” owner.
They very carefully sidestep the definitions of “perpetrator,” “crime scene,” and “legally obtained.”
The journal it was published in (“Social Medicine”) is a crap journal to boot.
This is just another prime example of how if you dumb down people enough, all kinds of crap can be passed off as “science.”
 July 27, 2016 at 5:24pm
To anyone trying to draw ANY inference from this “study,” please go to the original published report.
“Gaps continue in firearm surveillance: Evidence from a large U.S. City Bureau of Police”
Anthony Fabio PhD, MPH; Jessica Duell MPH; Kathleen Creppage MPH; Kerry O’Donnell; Ron Laporte PhD.
Social Medicine, v10n1
Bottm line for the scence impaired: this study wasn’t about who commits crimes and with what kind of (legal or illegal) weapon at all. Remember, “journalism majors” have the lowest SAT/ACT scores on campus. They are typically “social activists” (how they self-identify) who go into journalism to “change the world.” So- I don’t really blame the “journalists” at the WaPo for TOTALLY MISREPRESENTING the “study.” The equally- self-described social activists who created this “study” are guilty as well.
Bottom line: they hand picked a biased subset from a biased population created by a very political “task force” created by an anti-gun liberal mayor to produce agitprop supporting the anti-gun agenda. The POPULATION was biased initially, then filtered again by the “researchers” to only include specific cases where there was a TRACEABLE firearm recovered that was only one transaction away from legal; thereby baking in a bias to only look at LEGAL FIREARMS in the first place.
So out of the small number of cases where a single first offender was caught with a traceable firearm during the commission of a crime, 2/10 of them were not yet stolen . . .
Yet even with all that manipulation, they still couldn't get the percentage higher than 18%.
 July 13, 2016 at 2:50pm
You are aware that there are slighlty more black women than men (just like every other “racial” category, right?
I mean . . . 6% of the population are black males, 7% of the population are black females, throw in the 1% or so who are confused and we are pretty much at 13%, right?
 July 10, 2016 at 3:16pm
Ask yourself: why does the media ONLY report cases where a BLACK person gets shot by police, and ignore the much more common cases when WHITE people are shot by police?
White people getting shot by the police is not newsworthy?
Hmmmmm . . . . almost like there is some kind of “news template” they are following?
 July 10, 2016 at 3:12pm
Under the same circumstances, a violent white felon is THREE TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE SHOT BY POLICE than an identical black violent felon. Armed or unarmed, dsn’t matter. The white dude gets capped, the brother gets a pass.
Playboy reporter: "Has no religion, in your estimation, ever offered anything of constructive value to human life?"
Ayn Rand: "Religion, no - in the sense of blind belief, belief unsupported by, or contrary to, the facts of reality and the conclusions of reason. Faith, as such, is extremely detrimental to human life: it is the negation of reason. But you must remember that religion is an early form of philosophy, that the first attempts to explain the universe, to give a coherent frame of reference to man's life and a code of moral values, were made by religion, before men graduated or developed enough to have philosophy. And, as philosophies, some religions have very valuable moral points. They may have a good influence or proper principles to inculcate, but in a very contradictory context and, on a very - how should I say it? - dangerous or malevolent base: on the ground of faith. "
 July 10, 2016 at 3:09pm
The problem is an ongoing, active propaganda campaign to convince inner city people of color that the struggles they face is NOT the result of their own culture and “progressive” policies. They- the targets of the propaganda- and taught to believe the USA version the “Blood Libel.” They are taught that it is RACISM- and only whites can be racist of course- that is holding them back.
Therefore, they have no responsibility for their struggles and failures. The people they fote for are not responsible for their struggles and failures. Their culture is in no way culpable for their struggles and failures.
Your comment describes "fuel" for the problem and not the problem itself.
We all face the same problem and spend zero time trying to understand it.
Understanding of what the problem is, without judgement, is where the ending of it lies.
HonorTheOath.... remind me, what is that KKK oath again? I forget.
July 10, 2016 at 2:58pm
Any women yonger than 60? Any women who spoke with anyone at the time about it?
Yeah I read the stories about the failed “models” and “aspiring actresses” in the MSM too.
Roger Ailes may indeed be a sleazebag. He may have even done things similar to what Gretchen is claiming.
But a bunch of dubious, camera seeking couldashouldawouldas?
 July 10, 2016 at 2:54pm
Wow. Way to throw Gretchen under the bus dude.
I don’t think ANYONE has ever even ATTEMPTED to characterize Gretchen Carlson as anything BUT a strong, independent, self-sufficient woman.
I'm not the one whom misread Gretchen, Ailes is.
People carry themselves differently, some project confidence while others do not.
Reading Body language is a lost art.
Do we know any of them? Toward the end of Beck’s time on Foxnews he spoke at length at how insane and backstabbing that business is. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty.
Actually Gretchen in the past has talked about how she was abused when she was a pageant contestant. It's happened to her in the past probably more than once, some people are prone to abuse and the abusers target them.
 July 10, 2016 at 2:52pm
The MSM is now pushing the meme that other women are coming forward with their own accusations.
They are very careful to make sure the actual story does not support the inflammatory headline though.
The truth is, 5 failed models/aspiring actresses FROM THE 1960s AND 1970s have decided to contact the media with their own claims. Of course they have no proof, no witness, never mentioned it when it supposedly happened, etc. etc. etc.
People suck. They will do anything to grab their 15 minutes. See Cosby, Bill: recanted and disproven accusations from 4/5 of the “accusers” who crept out from under their rocks once the old bandwagon started rolling . . .
 July 10, 2016 at 2:43pm
1. Decades of brainwashing our American Palestinians to believe it is “the man” who is “keeping them down” (our OFA/CPUSA/DNC version of the Palestinian “blood libel”), and not their own culture, and this is the inevitable result. BLM is our Hamas.
2. We need to stop pretending skin color has anything to d with it. It’s CULTURE. Specifically, the urban “thug life” culture of dependency and violence that has been created in these cesspools of communist/fascist indoctrination. While this fascist culture IS “predominantly” associated with people of color, that is an EFFECT of the OFA/CPUSA/DNC programming. Skin color is NOT the “cause” of this culture.
3. Not fer nuthin . . . the FACTS actually demonstrate that under similar circumstances, a WHITE violent felon is THREE TIMES MORE LIKELY to be shot by police than a black violent felon. If anything, there is a “War on Crackers” you dopes. This BS about getting shot/pulled over/arrested for being “black” is face-palmingly ludicrous.
Time to follow Martin Luther King.
Black Privilege (in standardizd testing, in employment preferences, in salaries, in school selections and scholarships, in the approach by law enforcement, etc.) MUST END.
 July 10, 2016 at 1:22pm
Spot-on. As a scientist- a real one OBTW- the close-mindedness of the anti-theists in the sciences never ceases to amaze me. It springs mainly from fear, arrogance, and self-doubt; an interesting mix indeed. The anti-theists are found among the mediocre quintiles just for the record.
I learned about “intelligent design” from two neighbor/friends of mine. Husband a “molecular biologist” and wife a geneticist. They shared with me the conundrum of “excess information already present” in human DNA (unique among all earth organisms) and how their peers wrestled with that fact. Officially, they (the bioscience academic organizations that publish the journals and host the conferences) choose to suppress the information and ridicule anybody who brings it up. My friends had tried for over a decade to get funding for research into the role and importance of the “excess information” but that research is being actively suppressed.
The other poster referencing thermodynamics raises the other interesting point. Entropy much? Many biophysicists (yes, there is such a thing) struggle with the concept of “reverse entropy” necessary to support the theory of “nascent evolution” e.g. how life developed from non-life. Typically, the rule of entropy does not support the automatic “springing into being” of more organized structures from less organized structures and the net energy creation (without the destruction of matter) required.