It’s no longer a church, it’s a sex club. It changed everything about itself in favor of sexual depravity, and no other reason.
Church of satan, nothing more nothing less. Dear God come take your bride away from this satanic world
The Presby's have done it before, that's why they fractured. They've now become the false teachers that Paul warned against.
I still do not understand why the bible says homosexuality is a sin, but it sure does.
It is very clear.
For some reason, PresbUSA does not wish to follow the bible. I pray for my brothers in Christ.
The slow immoral progression of decay in America by democrats.
The crows have come home to roost.
Presbyterian will fall, and hard. A church divided can not stand. In these times, you better stand on principle and be counted for. Probably the saddest part of all is, the majority of the LBGTV side are atheists. They don't believe in God or any higher power. To throw your faith away for people who don't believe in a higher power....I hope the other denominations are paying close attention to this failure to comprehend God's word.
It's not theirs to change, they can make up any thing they want, But a same sex couple will
never be a "marriage" in Gods eyes ....
Suffice it to say they wouldn't want you! Not that I can blame them.
Just one more secular denomination caving in the left's pressure. Many churches are losing members like fleas falling off a dog, and it's all due to their wish washy policies. Any church that teaches the Bible as it should be taught will never be hurting for members. Christianity today is about worshiping the almighty dollar. Money is their god, and they will go the way of the dollar, leaving their church just as valueless.
Hope this kills off a huge portion of their membership.
there are 30 plus presbyterian church denominations, the PCUSA has been fighting this fight for 35 years, and now has lost.... it will go away in 30 years as well.
Good for them. As more and more people recognize that gay couples are just as loving and deserving of marriage as straight couples, churches need to match these beliefs. If you don't agree, don't be a part of their church. But God has nothing against gay people or gay relationships.
I think their choice for "enacting" this new rule on June 21 is pretty significant too. For one, June is "gay pride month", and June 21st is the summer solstice, a pagan holiday which related to things like fire, sex, and passion in many pagan cultures.
If they are genuinely Christians who are just misguided, it seems very strange that they would pick that particular day to "Make it official". It appears far more likely to me that they are no longer Christian, but rather pagans and heathens masquerading as Christians.
PC USA dos not represent all Presbyterians just as the Evangelical Lutherans Church in America are not Missouri Synod Lutherans. PC USA and ELCA are quite confused about sin.
Woe to those who strive to make God in their image, instead of changing theirs to HIS!
¶Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
This is more fulfillment of prophesy. Read II Thesalonians chapter 2 and the "falling away". Anyone that is a Christian and who is going to a Presbyterian church might want to consider finding some other church to attend.
 March 11, 2015 at 9:07am
Who cares? It’s Apple.
 March 10, 2015 at 9:06am
These churches need to go back and actually read the Bible they preach from…..
"These churches" are not preaching from THE HOLY BIBLE.
their source is satan.
They need to read it and live it.
These churches need to move the goalpost again since they are obviously dying out in countries with running water and electricity
So do you follow all of it? Are you going to take your disobedient children out and have them stoned? When was the last time you participated in the execution of a rape victim?
Ah ah ah! It's the 'inerrant never changing word of god', so if it was the right thing to do at any point it remains such.
I attended a Presbyterian Seminary where they were proud of their Harvard, Yale, etc divinity staff. After one of the classes, I went to pray in the Chapel because the Holy Spirit was heavy on my heart from what the professor taught in class that day. Crying out to God I asked, what was up? The Holy Spirit said they do not understand the scriptures and perverted My Word to make a pseudo religion to pacify their needs and wants. Soon afterword I dropped out of seminary. I was always a religious person and had accepted Christ when I was 5 or 6. But became a Christian when I accepted him into my heart. Most of the professors did not have a relationship with God or Christ. George Washington or his grandparents would not believe the state of the Presbyterian church today.
 February 20, 2015 at 12:59am
I wish I lived in a stated that respected the constitution. Instead I live in socialist California.
 February 18, 2015 at 9:28pm
Whites are not allowed to take pride in being white.
 February 17, 2015 at 9:41pm
Christians do not hate gays, we simply believe what the Bible says about homosexuality. Any pastor who teaches anything that goes against what the Bible says will be in held accountable when he/she stands in front of God on judgment day. I would not want to be the one who caused others to lose eternal life because I knowingly led them astray.
The Republicans, specifically Mitch McConnell, proposed a program substantially similar to the ACA. Then, having already declared their intent to ensure Obama was a “One Term President,” withdrew their backing. If they are successful in scrapping the ACA, they will reintroduce their own versions down the road at a politically beneficial time.
 February 10, 2015 at 9:23pm
What I don’t understand about Islam is, how can they go from Jesus to Mohammad? Jesus was all about love and Mohammad is all about molesting, raping and murdering…..
NEVER buy a home that’s a part of a HOA. Why let someone else have say over what you can do with your home that you pay for?
[-2] January 29, 2015 at 9:26pm
While I agree with this ladies message, I don’t agree with her tactics nor would I agree if someone from another faith (or no faith) were to do this to a Christian gathering or any other religious gathering.
Your killing me/us! This is exactly how they will overcome this nation, because it does not come from the point of view of respect that you are displaying in your comment...I get it, but we've moved to another place under Obama and that is the real fundamental change he spoke of, Islam will dominate in America because you refuse to see it for what it really is, you think its just about a whimsical expression of their faith. A Christian saying God bless you after you sneeze is not a threat to your liberty and freedom, nor your life. A Christian saying Merry Christmas will not take your life the next day when ordered by their pastor, a Christian is not going to strap a bomb or go on a jihad shoot up of a media outlet because their pastor told them it was alright and just. Wake up already man.
Her tatics are hop scotch compared to the maggots on the democrat side and their pestilent president we have.She is exactly what we need,perhaps the revolution is starting count me in.
One element to consider, Joshua; contrary to grossly popularized opinion (heavily aided by the White House), an Islamic gathering is not a "religious gathering." To the sobering contrary, when Muslims gather, it is for the purposes of further unifying the largest Terrorist Organization on the planet--Islam.
70% of the Medina Text of the Koran (the version most Muslims adhere to) calls for Global Caliphate and the beheading of Christians and Jews. All Muslims therefore, believe that you personally, should be beheaded for not submitting to Islam. If they don't believe this, they are not Muslim.
I cannot call this a "religion." It is TERRORISM, plain and simple.
You can bet that if Muslims were to interrupt a Christian or Jewish gathering, in the same way this woman did, it would be with the accompaniment of automatic weapons.
We are therefore discussing apples and oranges.
This story reeks of the NSA or obama targeting of white christians?
I see what's going on.. MMS has the word/compound/element 'dioxide' in it so the EPA must be behind this.
Remember my fellow carbon based life forms.... we breathe out Carbon Dioxide and the EPA has listed that as a hazardous substance that causes global warming.
"Insane government overreach."
Just look at all the demands for such overreach, here;
As long as everyone (or almost everyone) wants big government to control peoples private lives and private property when THEY 'decide' it's a good enough 'reason'.
The kind of stories like this one about taking the kids away, will; become more and more common.
You cannot have your rights only when YOU want them while demanding they be taken away when you decide you want THAT.
Once you decide you want (for WHATEVER 'good and decent' 'reasons' you may have, Anti 2nd Amendment types have reasons every bit as 'good' as those commenting in the dog, story, they say they want to save the lives of children, that too is emotional and what could be more worthy?) to give the government that control, they will never just accept the amount you decide they can have.
They will take it ALL, and more.
And obviously the world has decided our freedom and rights must all be given away 'for the animals'.
There is no turning back, so get used to it.
We will never know how many millions of people that have died because our federal government refuses to allow testing of alternative treatments and uses health industry cartels to put the lid on anything that doesnt come from the big pharma companies….
People should have the right to try.
Those of you who support the war on drugs are partly responsible for this…. If the government can tell you what you cant put in your body – this is the result.
"They would then have five more days to hold the children until a probable cause hearing to determine the next steps."
Don't they need probable cause first???
josh, Insane over reaction by commentator’s who don’t know the facts.
There is NOT NEARLY enough information in this story to pass judgement really in ANY direction.
OBVIOUSLY the police had a search warrant – and authorities have every duty to restrain the home owners away from the search area while executing such a search warrant.
The kids were apparently well ‘managed’ by the authorities during this situation – as the parents have made no negative comments about their treatment. (Just OBVIOUSLY – there now being taken.)
As to the ‘severity’ of what was found – which has been reported (but not here at this site) is: “The search did find containers labeled MMS but Hal insists the children haven’t had any. He says he only uses it for the alleged health benefits and his garden.
And I wonder… If something tragic is averted by such actions…
If – IF some form of negligence on the side of the authorities is apparent and can be pursued… I would adamantly seek such.
But again… No nearly enough information to go on.
WHY was the home / parents under investigation in the first place?
Obviously someone or oneS had given consideration to the realty that if after the search and IF something(s) were discovered in the search there could be the real need to ‘pull the children’ due to… WHAT concerns???
THAT needs to be revealed!
Throwing truly blind support for a family who has just been ‘served’ – AFTER apparently being investigated… Or just blindly condemning the authorities…
Putting the cart before the horse as they say.
OK. Let me point this out. Took me about a whole 10 minutes to find this information.
The mother apparently recently sent out this email containing the statement:
"They said the charge was that we had a poisonous substance in our house and that the kids were being exposed to it and it endangered their welfare. The substance named in the report was MMS and we would have gladly given it to them without a search warrant because we knew nothing of the dangers of it from all our research. It is sold on line as a water purifier ..."
[from: http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/arkansas-takes-away-7-homeschool-children-because-father-had-unapproved-mineral-supplement/#sthash.Wuso2ekt.dpuf ...]
It then took me all of seconds later to view the Wiki page on MMS where in the very first sentence describing the stuff it says: "...is a toxic solution of 28% sodium chlorite..."
And then the site goes on to use terms like: "extremely nasty stuff, and the medical advice given is that anyone who has this product should stop using it immediately and throw it away. In Canada it was banned after causing a life-threatening reaction."
See the results of a Thegoogle search and... NO ONE can claim "we knew nothing of the dangers of it from all our research."
And IF by some chance you were not aware of the dangers... You shouldn't be trusted be very competent in making safety decisions - for your self or your family.
Do a LITTLE more digging and one can find reports that MMS supposedly is: "The answer to AIDS" ...
Heck if that wasn't news enough...
It seems its also the answer to: "hepatitis A,B and C, malaria, herpes, TB, most cancer and many more of mankind’s worse diseases ... Many diseases are now easily controlled."
And NOW I'm really curious.
IF this is the kind of information about MMS that the mother says she ONLY supposedly knew then... Why would they be utilizing / limiting use of such an incredible 'answer' to so many of the 'what ails us' on ONLY the father - and THE GARDEN?!?!?
I wonder what the price tag on such an "answer" is?
If SO WONDERFUL... Couldn't / WOULDN'T SO MANY LIVES be able to be saved - or at least what ails them "answered" - of this type of "mineral supplement" was made much more readily available?
No there is no doubt in my mind that some of the VERY powerful capitalists who benefit from the MASSIVE pharmaceutical drug addiction of this country would stop at nothing to stop the competition from a valid, low-cost, easily produced 'alternative' but...
It's not sounding like that is the case here.
This mother is a liar. That or an utter irresponsible adult and parent.
She loses all credibility (to me) when she said "we knew nothing of the dangers of it"
"Never has it been used it in any way to “poison” our kids or even expose them in such a way as to endanger their lives."
WHY you make such a comment Mrs Stanley - based on your research?!?!?!
Typical Christianphobes attacking Christians for no good reason. Progressives are a hateful bunch.
And so far...I don't see a single reason why identifying this family as "Christian" has ANY bearing on this story whatsoever.
ZERO commentary / reporting on this matter has indicated in ANY WAY why they should / need to be identified as "Christian family".
WHY is that relevant in ANY WAY?
The cop needs to have his rear sued and for him to lose his job! Gestapo pig!
Where do police departments FIND these knuckleheads?
If you don't think that the same deputy will gleefully come to confiscate your guns, time to sober-up and/or cut back on the ganja, daddy-o!
Benghazi: Heroes died, Obama lied!
I think we now know that big pharma is behind this major progressive movement but they are not the only ones. A miracle cure would be equal to billions in lost money from treating the symptoms of a disease without a cure.
How and why did the Sheriff's Department know that he had the stuff first, and why did they think him having it was actionable?
The product is not a controlled substance, and is no worse than having laundry detergents, bleach, drano, or the myriad other toxic chemical cleaners that almost every household with kids in it have.
So, my main question is, what was the red flag that caught the attention to this family? Is anyone asking why the Sheriff's office even knows who this family is and why they are so concerned with anything going on in their lives.
That is what I want to know. What is the real story behind this overreach? Something smells very funny about these whole proceedings.
I don't understand... What did they have a warrant for? MMS is not illegal... Police can't serve a warrant to search for a legal substance.
WOW!!! But have a child with out means to pay for them, and the Govt. will give you money, food, housing, cloths, free education and encourage you to have more!!!
Other than the obvious “warrant” to search a house for a legal substance, I think we need more info on this. The Blaze did say they reached out to the family, so maybe we’ll learn more.
The reason the fact that family is “Cristian” is mentioned I’m sure is there seems to be a lot of pressure on very private, home schooling, natural medicine, government avoiding prepper families. “Seems to be” I say because all we have is what media gives us.
What I want to know is how does police get a warrant for a legal substance if the supposed danger of the substance is only: “cause nausea, vomiting and diarrhea.”
Is this an example of the government/a government/a police force violating the 4th amendment and surveilling someone whether on the internet or old school “tailing”? If they had a warrant for the surveillance…why?
I suspect another citizen is involved. Perhaps a busybody neighbor? If not, it is really creepy that the authorities spontaneously started paying attention to this family.
Another theory is that the parents have been engaging in other suspicious (to someone) activity beyond the “substance” they had the warrant for. Maybe internet searches for “certain” things, or “suspicious” purchases at brick and mortar stores.
Cops will get a warrant for an abused ham sandwich in order to get a change to “look around” for the real target.
It’s why they love DUI checkpoints. Gives them “contact” and “flashlight” time with the citizens they would never have otherwise.
All the boot licking cop supporting scumbags on the blaze should off themselves. They share in the crime committed by these jack booted thugs called police.
The only rights you have are the ones you are willing to protect with lead
What. The. Crap.
I don't even.
This makes no sense! How does this happen in America!? Don't you need evidence of wrongdoing? Don't you need like hospital reports of bleach poisoning to think that somebody is poisoning their kids? What idiot gave them a search warrant?
The state law in every state, compulsory education, says the state is responsible for training babies to be parents.
In a nation that says:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
This compulsory education law says we give government the power to take our children, do you agree with that law?
Change it or live with its evolving interpretations, its your choice.
This pisses me off! Arkansas State police and Garland County officers are pawns of powerful, but unsavory people with an agenda. Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind. What did this family do to justify taking their kids?
THIS is what tyranny looks like! It's the modern American Police State!
What judge issued a search warrant for a legal substance? There is more to this story than meets the eye. Who asked for the search warrant?
Preppers? Nutcase homeschoolers? Extremists because they’re Pro-Life? This judge needs to be out of there…NOW!
I see grounds for a civil rights infringement lawsuit here, but since they’re Christian, they probably won’t do it.
Sue them until their eyes bleed.
The ONLY reason this happened is because the FDA hasn't been paid upfront for their seal of approval, otherwise all would be forgiven. If the FDA was so worried about harmful drugs or supplements then why would they have backed the use of AZT for aids treatment knowing it was doing nothing to heal a patient and in fact probably speeding their death? Answer: money.
I was going to take a trip to Hot Springs for a Art Fest in April but have just found out there will be one in Tulsa in the same time frame. I might be the tourist of the day since I have Oklahoma Tags. If you go to Missouri you are shot at and now it looks like they have Hitler Sheriffs in Arkansas. I wonder if the Sheriff is African American and just doesn't like white folks.
“I did it and I’m proud of the decision.”
I'd work to get that man removed from office.
Not enough info to make a judgment at this stage… I wouldn’t be surprised by a follow-up that revealed a much more reasonable suspicion as to why they did this. The fact that they are self-proclaimed Christian preppers is likely the only reason we are seeing this on this particular site before all the facts are known. Gives the appearance of something that may not be so (targeting by the gov’t). Let’s cut back the paranoia some.
A nice ultimate correction of the situation would happen if that sheriff and his family were dining at a local eatery and some guy walks in and places an IED on their table. Just saying
Let the bullets fly! That's right, 95% of this country is yellow closet communist lovers! You probably don't know it either! The police are there to protect you my azz! But they are more important than you or I. They are heros that show up after a crime was committed! Arm yourself and by god don't call the police! The dark lords!
Here is raw video from the family making a statement.
There is a lot of black-marks on CPS, and similar stories to this, but it just isn't passing the logic test for me yet. It is unheard of that people purify water that they use on vegetable plots. Veggies are grown in bacteria filled dirt. People specifically buy filters to take chlorine (bleach) out so helpful bacteria isn't killed off.
Telling line from the video: "Then to hear the betrayal and the things that the kids said that weren't true"
"Both of my teenagers said that we would pack em up and flee (if they were left with the parents"
"one of my children said a matter of fact the van's already packed, if you leave us here, they'll pack us up tonight"
She also mentions the "teenage situation" and that "if they wanna go to public school, fine"
She's also trying to defend the MMS use by her husband. Yeesh.
"If you lettem get away with this, you;'ll be next"
Uhh absolutely not because I'm going to send my kids to school, take them to the doctors, and not feed them bleach.
The child abuse allegations were reportedly made by two residents close to the family.
They have to take these allegations seriously. Good job by local police. Not government you morons.
IF it turns out there was no reasonable reason to take these children I think the family should press kidnapping charges against the sheriff's department.
If more police and child protective services are charged with kidnapping when they take children without good reason this won't happen so often.
 January 19, 2015 at 9:18am
These PC morons will be the cause of our countries demise.
Momma tomato after stepping on baby tomato -
 September 10, 2014 at 10:10pm
I’m sure the democrats love getting the “duh…..” vote.
 September 8, 2014 at 11:19am
I swear, atheists are some of the dumbest people when it comes to religion. They either don’t understand the Testaments or choose to put out misinformation. If atheists understood the New Testament then we wouldn’t hear such stupid statements like what we see in this article.