repeal, they did not charge anyone with theft.
your argument would extrapolate to ‘they can beat their child because it’s theirs… if she took it for its protection it would be kidnapping’
in fact, they wanted a confrontation, and when she picked up the gauntlet… er the flag, they got more than they bargained for as she exercised HER first amendment rights, as well.
and she knows the repercussions of first amendment exercise, since her decision to pose in Playboy led to her being demoted.
April 18, 2015 at 4:45pm
if you get a chance, the documentary ‘It Might Get Loud’ is worth the time to watch.
I suspect White and I have different politics, but less so than Nancy P or Sebelius or Reid and I… i would go to dinner to find out without a second thought. ‘You Don’t Know What Love Is’ and ‘Effect and Cause’ would play on the drive there…
that said, the whole ‘fainting for __________’ be it Elvis, the Beatles, or someone now I have never understood. And I cannot imagine standing in line for a record. But I’m glad people whose passions are fueled that way were able to get something they will remember and enjoy
 April 18, 2015 at 4:37pm
schools and child protective agencies everywhere represent great bastions for left leaning thought, even in those states that have rejected big government thinking.
the interaction of government and sheeple in this realm and in Kansas? I heard from a patient of a man being forced to provide child support… he and a buddy were double ‘dating’ and they had money for only one condom. He and his ‘date’ went first, and then the other couple turned the condom inside out and used it for the encore… you guessed it, the second woman became pregnant. and instead of taking the child given the demonstrated terminal stupidity of both ‘parents’ the man is on the hook for a child conceived without intercourse for 18 years…
 April 18, 2015 at 4:29pm
perfect… the exercise of free speech is not protected from the consequences of that speech.
April 18, 2015 at 4:28pm
pizza, actually i agree with you.
but i also agree that Ms. Manhart’s nonviolent response to their exercise of free speech, as a direct response to their claims, is ALSO protected as free speech. She did not try to run away with the flag to keep as her own or sell it (theft), she merely stood her ground and argued against their claims.
Both parties should have been (and essentially were) given room to air their positions. Instead of using banners or just their voices, the inclusion of a ‘prop’ made it easier for a dissenting voice to be heard.
 April 18, 2015 at 4:25pm
in a public forum they threw the flag down and were marching on it.
she stepped in and picked it up for its protection and countered the claims they were making.
i agree with you about 1A protecting their right to assemble and protest, no matter how stupid their claims.
but that does not protect them against the consequences of their actions, and her protecting the flag and countering their claims is as much a free speech.
and honestly they were hoping for just such a confrontation. and it did not stop the demonstration, their refusal to provide ID on school property when asked by duly appointed authorities did. Ms. Manhart did not rely on government, she stood up for what she believed… what she trained to fight for. and she CLEARLY has an understanding of first amendment freedoms and the limitations there of. She knows the government is NOT always right. This was standing up for principle.
and sometimes that means facing arrest. so i am glad that no one was hurt, and that she has not been charged. and i hope that one or two of the passive sheeple watching this paused and thought about what lies were being told by those trampling the flag.
 April 18, 2015 at 4:19pm
honestly my first thought in considering the ‘ownership’ of the flag was how they got the flag… would not have put it past people willing to desecrate the flag to lift one from a building’s flag pole rather than buying it themselves.
and if the police can surround a woman’s home and deny entry while awaiting a warrant, holding the flag while awaiting proof of ownership would seem an easy step.
free speech does not apply to shouting fire in a crowded theater. and i don’t suggest this reaches that level. i would argue the group doing this HOPED to get a reaction. she was not by report violent toward them, and so in a public forum, RP, would you argue in her defense her action was merely a response to their statement, and so was also protected by 1A?
meat, this says 16-17… in our 20 80 society that would round to 20 million.
even if it’s 10 that’s more profit than should warrant government support.
and yes, i recognize that lots of other companies get support that should not. but no, i will not include companies whose employees do not work enough hours or jobs to avoid taking welfare also as being a ‘subsidy’ for that company.
April 18, 2015 at 4:10pm
 April 18, 2015 at 4:09pm
hahaha… when you can ignore truth because it is inconvenient, you will lose any argument you make.
wonder why he did not throw out the (unnecessary and ridiculous) mea culpa instead of hiding it.
guess i should be glad i’m of scothirish ancestry, long put upon rather than of the ‘ruling elite’… then again, i’m sure that the behavior of some ancestors in the brutal past would make me cringe in today’s ‘civilized’ world.
how many will be able to endure it when the veneer that is civilization is destroyed by the stupid decisions of a PC world that can so quickly deny reality in favor of what they want to perceive…
 April 18, 2015 at 4:03pm
google her… with safe search on you’ll still see that likely the protestors would have been the ones needing Obamacare.
 April 18, 2015 at 4:01pm
nice try… the idiot arrested at Ft. Riley last week was at a Topeka Catholic church Easter Sunday armed with a sword and knife. Priest and several male parishoners talked him into leaving. When he was back later in the week, police were contacted and said he was ‘on a watch list’ but ‘nothing could be done’
selective enforcement as it is applied today– at the chief level rather than the street level– is wrong. it smacks of bias. A cop on the street who chooses to intervene, stop the problem whatever it is, BUT to forego charges now days will get in trouble, because they (the chiefs and their political handlers) do the same thing but do not want independent thought in the rank and file.
There was no reasonable suspicion for the presence of marijuana just because a student argued for legalization… I believe the demonization of weed by our politicians is obvious and should never have been allowed to happen (‘science’ a la today’s ‘global warming’)… good luck if 50 decides to search my home for illegal drugs, though.
 April 18, 2015 at 3:55pm
i wonder the result if he had set up in the Engineering building or outside the science hall instead of the quad by the union… the thinking students are busy with their studies, rather than wandering the campus after three grueling hours of women’s studies and french renaissance literature…
April 18, 2015 at 3:52pm
AND he did it respecting her anonymity.
that’s more than the majority of the guys (and gals) who watched her wandering through the mall like that offered.
but then that young lady is not the one complaining, Smoke is exactly right, it’s people who wish they could (whether by comfort with their own body or by having a body sufficiently toned to flaunt) do that, and people who want to control the way the rest of us not only act, but think.
Pretending we are all the same is as stupid as believing someone cannot be something just because they are male or female (and yes, i understand physical limitations play a role in some occupations, that’s a different hurdle… but as Brad Thor accurately points out, just because women may not be able to hack SpecOps selection training does not mean they could not provide an invaluable service to the Black Ops community)
 April 18, 2015 at 3:44pm
hopefully any ‘evidence’ will be kicked by a thinking judge… how many other crimes were left unattended while multiple police blocked entrance to the home while awaiting a warrant? Did the child actually claim to have marijuana, or was this a supposition basedmerely upon his/ her stated support for legalization?
sad that’s the state i call home, but i suspect the decision to involve the police was not made by a conservative teacher… maybe police should be staking out his or her home, or the ‘responsible’ parties of the CPA… these officers were convenient idiots in reinforcing the PC ‘what the school says goes’ mentality they want us ALL to follow when any public or governmental body ‘speaks.’
These LEO's are surely guilty of crimes larger than pot oil themselves. What a shameful way to treat a citizen where no evidence beyond "he said" was in play. Gee, lets all start making statements about our government and their law breaking. Oh yeah, my bad, that goes for the people not for the government.
officers did not have to allow the desecration of the flag, whoever owned it, by Georgia law.
maybe if they were trampling the school flag, claiming the school was racist the school would wise up (though i doubt it)… but that’s EXACTLY what such a protest was doing.
are their stupid racists in America? you bet there are… and many who hide behind the facade of progressivism, and many on any side of the ‘color line.’ But the country for which that flag stands was created with the equality of man (read men and women) in mind, and the actions by concientious politicians and the sacrifice by Americans and immigrant Americans assured that freedom for every American, not to mention for tens of millions of non-Americans.
i agree they could have more… immediately stopped her. But the whole police violence issue is NOT a race issue, either, so it was good they showed restraint.
 April 17, 2015 at 12:21pm
after all, tying payments to inflation worked so well with, say, healthcare, right?
what a feeble group of ‘leaders’ we have on both sides of the aisle.
 April 17, 2015 at 12:20pm
why do we have a consolute in that city?
there is not a russian consolute in the capital city of my home state.
and no, mind, barber is making an accurate assessment. BHO declared victory and pulled our troops out of Iraq, leaving the diplomats are greater risk as the lie of what POTUS claimed has been laid bare in Iraq… and Egypt… and Libya… and Syria… and Somalia.
systemic systematic failures of diplomacy that have left America and our allies weakened and more threatened, and which have put thousands of innocent women and children at greater risk, too, btw… the real ‘war on women’
wait, you are saying we should have left our troops there? But at the same time you acknowledge that it is a backwards country not worth having a consolute in.
Actually, it was Bush who signed the SOFA act that pulled the troops out. Obama just took credit for it afterwards.
Ray: Agree. Wonder if the Obama Administration’s , following the dictates of his International Left directors , exit strategy will just insure that the Sunni and the Shiites hatred will blow up into WWIII ? Or maybe Iran will just ‘surprise’ the globe by going nuclear against Israel ( they all hate Israel and capitalism ) ? Either way , will insure a REAL Fundamental Transformation of the entire globe.
 April 17, 2015 at 11:39am
right after elections some foolish not really republican congressmen were advocating for this.
any republican supporting this should be primaried and removed at the next opportunity.
sadly, there is so little difference between the parties in DC I am nearly ready to concede the government to the Democrats for the two to three elections a new party would require to make an impact.
at least in that time, the fourth estate would have no punching bag to blame for the ‘unintended consequences’ of poorly thought out legislation, and perhaps more of the sheeple would wake up to the horrors that too many in DC want to visit upon the rest of us.
 April 17, 2015 at 11:35am
perfectly stated. tlc
and if we had an informed electorate, the varied and endless attacks on IIA (and increasingly on IA) would meet immediate and crushing resistance, those advocating such ‘changes’ immediately dismissed.
Lindsey i think conveniently forgets that IIA and the rest of the Bill of Rights were put into place BY an informed electorate with the express hope that the electorate remain free and well informed. You cannot guarantee that freedom to be informed without the protections. Sadly, ‘progressivism’ (which will someday be seen for the euphemism it is) is proving you CAN erode those protections to the point that an elite few can dilute the electorate into a passive pablum fed led by the nose herd of sheeple.