So only opposite sex couples who plan on reproducing should be able to be married? Your plan would criminalize marriages for any woman over 45 or any man with a vasectomy.
May 23, 2015 at 12:44pm
Unless you’re requiring civil unions for all couples, opposite sex and same sex, then it smacks of separate but equal.
 May 23, 2015 at 12:42pm
How do you think segregation would poll in the Deep South? Forget private businesses, I’m talking public schools, parks, etc. – do you really think desegregation would’ve passed? If you’re of the belief that this is an issue of equality, should we be putting equality up for a popular vote?
 May 22, 2015 at 5:46pm
What else is there to do but speculate? They only reported it to the police AFTER the statute of limitations expired; and when Josh was confronted by law enforcement, it was by a State Trooper who’s now imprisoned for possession of child pornography. Molesting your sister is not worthy of a “stern talk” that the Duggar’s believed appropriate. It’s worthy of a jail sentence, or at the age of 12-14, juvenile center until 21, with court mandated independent counseling.
 May 22, 2015 at 5:42pm
No, he didn’t admit it – he was caught, then told to pray in the corner. He only resigned from his position because a magazine started to run with the story; who tipped of InTouch remains to be seen.
No, they didn’t seek out law enforcement; they sought a family friend, himself now in prison for possession of child pornography. And he wasn’t charged b/c it wasn’t brought to the attention of the police until after the statue of limitations had run out.
And when you say there’s zero evidence of repeated abuse, all we have to look at other sex offenders. The reason we have sex offender registries is b/c of the high propensity to repeat. Every statistic shows sex offenders, particularly those with young victims, have the highest recidivism rate of any criminal (the lowest is actually murder).
While I care more about the possibility that there are other victims, which all the statistics would say is quite possible, you’re defending a pedophile merely b/c he feigns G-d’s forgiveness.
 May 22, 2015 at 2:48pm
And it’s borderline criminal for the Duggar family to sweep this under the rug and allow him continued contact with young children. A larger question is, was he born with this predilection or was this learned behavior? Is there still an unknown pedophile still in the Duggar House?
 May 22, 2015 at 2:41pm
Yet Huckabee is calling for forgiveness. Disgusting.
 May 22, 2015 at 2:37pm
The more important question is, are there more victims? Was Josh Duggar born with a predilection for pedophilia or was this a learned behavior? While it doesn’t absolve him of his actions, was Josh Duggar himself a victim of child sex abuse? I couldn’t care less whether or not Duggar believes G-d has forgiven him for his sins. I care more about the victims and whether or not there are more.
 May 22, 2015 at 2:31pm
Are there more victims? That’s more important than whether or not G-d has forgiven him. A predilection for pedophilia is not something that is cured with prayer. That’s why we have sex offender registries; that’s why conservative criminal justice advocates push for high-risk-of-repeating sex offenders to be imprisoned indefinitely, even after their sentences have been served. Would anyone be the least bit surprised if Josh Duggar himself was abused sexually as a child? That doesn’t absolve him of anything, but neither does prayer and the self-delusion that G-d has forgiven him.
That a boy, throw out those wild accusations- the Dad must be a bad guy too right?
Ignore the only reason anybody knows about this is because Josh Dugger admits it and tries to use his mistake to help others so people who have heard him talk about it then use it to harm him.
Ignore the facts in the story that Josh admitted it to his family WHEN HE WAS STILL 14 and his family counseled with the victims families and the victims (including but not limited to his sisters) when he was 14.
Ignore the fact the family sought out law enforcement and dealt with the issue between law enforcement and the victims families when he was still 14.
Ignore the fact the family sought out pastoral counseling while he was still 14
Ignore the fact there is zero evidence the abuse or victimization has ever repeated since that time
Ignore the fact no victim has stepped forward demanding more repercussions
Ignore Josh Dugger has continued to apologize and remains humbly embarrassed by the incident and resigned his job before anyone asked him.
Ignore all of that and simply focus on his faith that God's word says he can be forgiven because you have no capacity yourself to forgive where you are not even the one wronged.
 May 22, 2015 at 2:14pm
It’s called schadenfreude. What’s more troubling, neither liberal or conservatives are asking the most important question – are there more victims? It takes a certain level of naivete to believe that it stops with the five semi-known victims. Sex offenders, like Duggar, have a disease, one that is not cured by prayer (or anything, really). It’s why we have sex offender registries, to protect families; it’s why we there are some advocating for the continued imprisonment of high level offenders, those with a propensity to repeat, even after their sentences are up. That said, would it be the least bit surprising if Josh Duggar himself was a victim of child sex abuse before he himself became the abuser?
It is not a fucking disease, it is a decision to fuck a innocent child's life up. They all need the most horrible and torturous death sentence given to them.
The research on the subject doesn’t support much of this. There may be more victims, there may not; Josh may have been abused and/or prematurely sexualized, he may not have been. He may have “a disease”, he may have made poor choices, it may be part of an ongoing pattern, it may not. Overall, the vast majority of those abused as children do not go on to abuse, and the vast majority of those who abuse as juveniles do not go on to abuse as adults. Sex offender registries are a notoriously blunt instrument even for repeat adult offenders.
That said, I do appreciate the Schadenfreuded; nothing makes people feel as good as seeing someone else feel bad; a sad situation for everyone, from the Duggars to the victims to the enablers at TMZ.
I’d love it, too, if there were easy answers. Just haven’t found any. “Juvenile sex offenders : a guide to evaluation and treatment for mental health professionals” is mildly technical, but has good summaries and is both fairly recent and available at larger libraries, and there are many similar works. Unfortunately, most are not written for popular audiences.
Yawn...yet another uninformed, pure speculative comments...clearly you have problems with Christians, and are attempting to attack the family...
I agree with you. You are absolutely right that there is no "cure" for these sins. We live in a fallen world and have since Adam and Eve. That is why God sent his Son Jesus to die on the cross for our sins to forgive us for the atrocities we all commit in life.
Only once we are forgiven can we hope to begin winning in the never-ending struggle against our desires. A sex addict is always a sex addict. Only through the power of God will we be able to RESIST the temptation. But as you said, it will never go away and must always be watched and guarded.
 May 21, 2015 at 9:30pm
The police officer who gave Duggar a “stern talk” is now in prison for the next 50 years for possession of child pornography. Prayer doesn’t cure child molesters.
And are you speaking from your own experience? Ya, a 13 year old boy a "child molester"?....pathetic....you dont even want to know the facts...
 May 21, 2015 at 9:24pm
When you were 14, did you touch any of your siblings sexually? That’s not something cured with prayer and apologies. It’s not something that can be chalked up to youthful indiscretions. If you think a playground fight is the same as molesting someone, you’re just as sick as Duggar.
First of all, I’m not sick. So, you should tone it way down. Second, God forgives all sins, as long as a person acknowledges their sin, and desires to turn away from it. Third, many things are absolutely cured with prayer and repentance. Whether or not they were a cure or simply part of the solution in this situation, I don’t know. This man’s personal story and everything he did to address the issue are his private business. It’s between him, God, and the other affected parties. What really matters is how a person lives their life now. I don’t believe in making a person wear a scarlet letter for the rest of their life because of something they did in the 9th grade. If that were the case we’d all be wearing letters. Maybe not the same letters, but we’d all have some combination of letters. Let the man move on with his life.
I read he was 17. Was there some sort of update going on?
McKenzie23: Yeah, most people's "Scarlet Letters" would read:
"I smoked pot."
"I snuck into my dad's liquor cabinet."
"I cheated on my math homework."
Josh's would be:
"I sexually molest 4 of my younger sisters and another younger family friend while they slept."
I did not- but my husband did. He was sexually abused by another family member when he was 12 and 13 and they introduced him to porn. He then did the same thing to his brother- showed him some porn and then touched him. He felt so sick about it, he told his parents immediately and he went to counseling.
He told me about this when we first started dating. He doesn't try to excuse his behavior as a 'youthful indescrition', and doesn't think that just because someone abused him gave him the right to make someone else a victim, too. But prayers and apologies absolutely helped him change his behavior. His brother forgave him and their relationship is just fine.
I believe that what Mr. Duggar did to his sisters is disgusting. But I also believe that people can change, if someone actually tries to help them.
I'm goNna need a peer reviewed, article with citations showing a direct causal link between prayer and healing before believing that BS.
Also, it does seem like he is trying to recover and address his mental health issues.
@christian-atheist You can't do a scientific study on the effects of prayer. The gold standard of such studies is double-blind and placebo controlled. What you are really testing is God. Does God answer prayer and heal people? God is omniscient. It would be impossible to test him without him knowing about it, so no double-blind test is possible. And how would you define the placebo? Praying to a false god? You would have to determine the true god first. You could tell people that you are praying for them, and then not pray for them. But then you would have to prove that no one was praying for them at all. There may be a nurse that prays for all her patients.
 May 21, 2015 at 9:21pm
I’m sorry, but child molesters deserve condemnation, whether they feign belief in G-d or not. And given that child molesters have the highest recidivism rate, this isn’t something that can be cured with prayer and apologies.
" this isn’t something that can be cured with prayer and apologies."
I am just curious. Are you saying that God cannot cure him or that God would not cure him? Because from my understanding of the Bible, forgiveness is available to anyone who seeks God and redemption through Jesus Christ. Obviously, I am coming from a Christian background, yours may be otherwise. Perhaps Jewish based on your spelling of "G-d"?
From his statements, it doesn't even sound like he had a faith that was his own at the time as he stated that he then asked Christ to come into his life. Saul persecuted Christians and was partially responsible for the stoning of Stephen. However, he wrote a significant part of the new testament after coming to know Christ.
Lets be perfectly clear. NO ONE is condoning his actions. They were wrong and sinful. However, he has sought forgiveness from all involved, confessed his sins (very publicly now), and has sought redemption through Jesus Christ. He has also taken steps through counseling to make sure he stays on the straight path. I see no reason to hold his actions from 12 years ago against him at this point.
Whoever down voted my previous comment, please feel free to refute anything I said. I think I posed a well reasoned question. If you disagree, engage me in a dialog instead of anonymous down vote.
Something else that I think is worth noting. Maybe more people would seek treatment and help for sinful issues if we didn't hold their sins against them for their entire lives.
How many people are afraid to confess their sins and seek help because they know doing so could screw up their entire life... for the rest of their life? Knowing that so many people are out there with a "holier than thou" attitude and will continually hold them down for the rest of their lives.
Personally, I think that has the potential to be counted against us much worse when we stand before God. God doesn't think too highly of pride and believe that we are so much better than someone else because their sins are worse than ours may not work out to well for us in the end. I think we could all stand to read Matthew 18 and the parable of the two debtors.
Whatdoi, I have witnessed raging drug addicts healed and set free, a man once in prison for murder now preaching the gospel and yes even a former sex offender set free. These comments come from people that do not believe in the grace of God, or even the true God of the bible for that matter.
Whatdoi, my issue is not with forgiveness or whether or not God can set him free from those desires, but that the problem is not all Josh’s. He was the perpetrator, yet he left 5 young ladies violated and emotionally injured because he chose not to keep his hands to himself.
Those young ladies will carry the scars of that molestation with them through their lives. I know the papers say they got counseling, but I doubt it was as much as they needed since many fundamental Christian church organizations tend to believe that forgiveness and moving on is more important than delving into the psychological effects of something like a sex sin.
As a survivor myself, I know that unless you have access to someone you can work through the deeper issues with, you’re going to struggle for a long time with feelings that are perpetuated by that violation — feelings you may not even recognize until several years later. Unfortunately in a fundamental setting there is no outlet for discussing these feelings, not to mention that they would most likely be viewed as a sign of unforgiveness…..the nightmares, the flashbacks, the stomachaches, the headaches, the general malaise that accompanies PTSD from being molested and having to live with the person that molested you, and fearing a repeat performance — yet knowing that your parents and church expect you to go on with your life like it never happened….The effects are still there, 12 years later. Those girls are still paying for his sin.
 May 18, 2015 at 1:07pm
And why isn’t eligible? Because he’s not white? Because unlike Cruz, he was born in the US?