I go to Newspring Church at the Greenville, SC Campus. I had given up hope about going to church and finding a place where I fit in until someone invited me to Newspring. I could go on and on, but long story short I have found my home at Newspring and with Pastor P. I’m glad Billy was fair and didn’t turn this into some uninformed smear piece. Thank you. God Bless
 December 2, 2013 at 12:52pm
THANK YOU! I thought I was the only freaking person who put two and two together on this one.
June 18, 2013 at 2:42pm
Good for her. I hate those freaking idiots.
May 2, 2013 at 10:37am
hahaha No joke!
May 2, 2013 at 10:20am
I wonder if Kicking a Grandma is a Godly act… Just a thought.
May 2, 2013 at 10:16am
Well spoken East
May 2, 2013 at 10:14am
Harsh much? If everyone had to be excommunicated for a differing viewpoint or sin they committed then everyone would be excommunicated from their respective churches. We are all sinners liquidlou.
May 2, 2013 at 10:11am
I think that Reagan would fall along the lines that less government intrusion into marriage is better than more intrusion. It seems logical to me to think that government imposing laws restricting marriage to only heterosexual consenting adults is the same as government imposing laws unrestricting marriage to any consenting adults heterosexual or otherwise. Its not a question of whether you support same sex marriage or not. Its a question of hypocrisy underlying our political views. It seems we only want government involved when it supports our views.
April 17, 2013 at 9:56am
And the country didn’t immediately explode? Hmm, interesting. Apparently the world doesn’t end when countries legalize gay marriage…
AIDS doesn't kill in one day either. so what's your worthless point?
New Zealand is going to explode? Only their economy.
their medical and legal economy, maybe. The Doctors who see for AIds and the lawyers who handle divorce should make quite a killing.
does this story smell fishy to you?
April 10, 2013 at 12:00pm
no, gary, I am not gay and I am already happily married. I don’t expect him to abandon any of his views, I just tend to disagree with him on some of his socially conservative views. simple as that.
April 10, 2013 at 11:53am
While I disagree with the whole suing aspect of this story, and I agree that business owners should be allowed to serve, hire, and fire who they choose, unfortunately I can’t disagree with the fact that it seems this couple has a case. If the laws were expanded in 2006, she seems to be in violation of that expanded law unfortunately. Maybe this will serve to be a sobering story about how PC things can get if you let them…
These people were 10 year customers. She didn't refuse them services then. Them being gay didn't matter. It was the wedding sacrement that she couldn't - because of her religion - cater to.
There is nothing in the Bible that says not to make a cake for gay people or give flowers for a wedding.
It's pure dogma.
April 10, 2013 at 10:04am
I used to like Rick, but he takes too hard of a stance on these social issues for me. Sucks they won’t let him speak, but when you are hard line enough to think that birth control and contraception should be outlawed amongst other things like gay marriage, i’m not surprised.
So are you Gay and want to get married? Why else would you find him needing to abandon a belief that untill 5 years ago was universally accepted?
no, gary, I am not gay and I am already happily married. I don't expect him to abandon any of his views, I just tend to disagree with him on some of his socially conservative views. simple as that.
He does not want to outlaw contraception. It's a personal choice for him. Try getting your facts right rather than making extreme statements while making a point.
I have a "hard line view" against 4 + 4 = 7. I must be an extremist.
April 9, 2013 at 11:19am
Of course I understand the importance of marriage and the family unit. But allowing two gay or lesbian consenting adults the right to marry won’t change that importance. Its not like straight people will stop getting married and will cease to exist and the United States will just become one massive gay love fest. Sheesh!
I don’t even know why i’m arguing this anymore. Its going to happen anyways. so you guys can keep throwing a hissy fit, but once it happens and you wake up the next day and the sun is still shining and the birds are chirping you will realize that its not as big of a deal as you thought.
April 9, 2013 at 11:07am
I know the dang S & G story you goof. And your gay marriage rape story is ridiculous. So no heterosexual person has ever raped or violated their own child/children? Please.
April 9, 2013 at 10:38am
April 9, 2013 at 10:32am
The slippery slope argument is a straw man argument. No one is arguing about polygamy or pedophilia. All we are arguing about is two consenting adults tying the knot. And seriously, you don’t think that heterosexuals aren’t already sometimes getting married just for the sake of tax breaks? That wouldn’t just magically start happening, it already happens. Once gays and lesbians have the right to marry (and trust me it will happen), I will still raise my children the exact same way as I would if gays and lesbians weren’t allowed to get married. It just isn’t that big of a deal people!
April 9, 2013 at 10:23am
@TexasGranny, you can’t talk out of both sides of your mouth. If you don’t have a problem with gay people, and you believe in life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, then what’s the issue? Trust me, the United States won’t implode into darkness if gay people can get married. Just like the world didn’t implode when women got the right to vote, black people got the right to vote, and white people and black people were allowed to get married. Life moves along.
April 9, 2013 at 10:14am
Whoa @Deacon slow it down haha! Wowzers those are pretty bold predictions. So new STD’s, gangs of gay rapist murderers, etc. will all come about just because gays and lesbians will be allowed to get married? Good luck with that one haha.
April 9, 2013 at 9:56am
As a 27 year old conservative and libertarian, I just want to thank every one of you guys for wrecking the conservative name for my generation and younger. Its hard enough already having to explain conservatism to my liberal know-nothing friends because of how poorly you guys handled the title and you continue to make it worse. Forget supporting gay marriage being suicidal for the republican party. You guys are doing a hell of a job doing it all by yourselves.
April 9, 2013 at 9:44am
Why is it so hard to just worry about ourselves and our own lives and not care if gays and lesbians get married? How am I an evil satanic person if I consider myself a Christian and a conservative AND I could care less if gay and lesbian human beings get married? Sheesh some of you guys are so sanctimonious its sad.
It may not affect you now, but it will later. Your church will get sued if you don't perform gay marriages. You will get mugged as you are leaving your house because more and more children are being raised in "modern" family units (with no discipline). Your children will be indoctrinated to the gay life style by people who think its preferable to a hetero life style. You will worry about your kids getting new STDs that will come about as people abandon traditional life styles. You will see that the value of life drop as people loose Christian values. You will see your medical insurance premiums and taxes skyrocket as people have all kinds of medical problems due to the new morality. You will ultimately loose credibility as a fellow human being as people see you clinging to your religion. You will have to avoid gangs of young men, frustrated with life, looking to rape and kill anyone. Yes, they aren't hurting anyone with their huge social changes...you can continue to do nothing.
Do you not understand this country was based on moral and traditional values? Obviously you are a new Christian and haven't studied much. But Bible thumping either way is not what this is about. It is about as Michelle Obama said Obama must do and that is "change our culture". For myself I do not have anything against gays. Right to life liberty and pursuit of happiness. We were told to love our neighbors as ourselves. The more hate I have in me is not for the benefit of me. But gay marriage is changing our culture. That is why they "evolved" suddenly and without warning. Miracles and evolving never cease.
Well, would you care if the meaning of marriage became so broad and inclusive that it became meaningless in the courts of law? Or how about if men could marry men, why not boys too; all that would have to change is age of consent. Lets allow roommates to marry so they can get tax privileges. Lets allow people to marry cousins and siblings, it's all about love, isn't it? Oh, how about plural marriages, we all know how popular that is.
The door is open to chaos and the destruction of all families under the law. What then do you tell your children when all "unions" are equally valid and equally meaningless? What do you tell them about the meaning of family? What do you tell them when the government steps in and takes them away because marriage and family means nothing under law?
Perhaps we are on the losing side of the battle on Earth for marriage and family, but how will you stand before God when he asks what you did to defend his commandment that man shall leave his father and mother and cleave unto his wife and none else and raise his own children in obedience to God's laws?
Whoa @Deacon slow it down haha! Wowzers those are pretty bold predictions. So new STD's, gangs of gay rapist murderers, etc. will all come about just because gays and lesbians will be allowed to get married? Good luck with that one haha.
@TexasGranny, you can't talk out of both sides of your mouth. If you don't have a problem with gay people, and you believe in life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, then what's the issue? Trust me, the United States won't implode into darkness if gay people can get married. Just like the world didn't implode when women got the right to vote, black people got the right to vote, and white people and black people were allowed to get married. Life moves along.
The slippery slope argument is a straw man argument. No one is arguing about polygamy or pedophilia. All we are arguing about is two consenting adults tying the knot. And seriously, you don't think that heterosexuals aren't already sometimes getting married just for the sake of tax breaks? That wouldn't just magically start happening, it already happens. Once gays and lesbians have the right to marry (and trust me it will happen), I will still raise my children the exact same way as I would if gays and lesbians weren't allowed to get married. It just isn't that big of a deal people!
Answer. Because you are a Christian you are not ignorant of the devices of Satan (2 Cor 2:11).
Equivocation is an attempt to use equivocal and tolerant language with intent to deceive. Some say it is not about genitals; it’s about civil rights of sexually disoriented people to marry and be socially respected.
Others say the misuse of ones genitals and body cavities are hazardous to your health and have become a compelling public health issue for gays and any new converts willing to try sodomy; and others don’t want sexual disorientation codified in law and made equally respected as are the civil rights of people of different colors.
Sodom and gomorrah you idiot. That 2000+year old story is around for a reason...You cant compare women being allowed to vote, or blacks marrying whites to the homosexual lifestyle. Did you hear about those 2 MARRIED gay men who were raping their adopted children? This perversion of nature must be stood up against. The only laws that should be changed for gays is letting their partner get their benefits after death, without penalty. Other than that, being gay should remain frowned upon and not acceptable to conservative American standards. And "don't ask don't tell" should have remained the military standard. Soon well be forced to invade other countrys in order to "save the gay people" from being oppressed. I don't care if someone is a homo, but I do care about our nation legalizing Sodom and Gomorrah type laws. And I even will say that if we allow ourselves and kids to watch the homo movies or media, then we also are accepting S&G morality. This is not rome and we don't celebrate saturnalia. You want mans butt, then go to prison.
@Laugh-ler14 Why does it matter?? Do you know why a family is important?? Do you understand the importance of marriage?? The family is the building block of society....Marriage is the start of the family....governing within society should reflect the needs of the family, because within the family you have all the same bases as government....when a family is created and children are added to the family they start off with an identity, a name...they gain a heritage of who they are and a history of where they came from, they know who created them....You will lose all of that if same sex couples are allowed to redefine marriage....if that happens the building block of society has just been changed...hence society has been changed...therefore everything that was once built on the family being brought about by the union of a man and woman has changed....and a society that can prosper, has moral boundaries, that marriage that can spawn a nation ceases to exists...You will have an undefined generation, because the children will no longer be able to know their identity...So, who do think will give them that identity??
I know the dang S & G story you goof. And your gay marriage rape story is ridiculous. So no heterosexual person has ever raped or violated their own child/children? Please.
Deacon speaks the truth, perhaps quoting unintentionally from the research of JD Unwin.
Societies who became liberal with their moral restraints, up to and including tinkering with Marriage, soon found themselves destroyed as a gradual result of their excesses.
Of course I understand the importance of marriage and the family unit. But allowing two gay or lesbian consenting adults the right to marry won't change that importance. Its not like straight people will stop getting married and will cease to exist and the United States will just become one massive gay love fest. Sheesh!
I don't even know why i'm arguing this anymore. Its going to happen anyways. so you guys can keep throwing a hissy fit, but once it happens and you wake up the next day and the sun is still shining and the birds are chirping you will realize that its not as big of a deal as you thought.
@ler laugh. I wasn't trying to make a point of comparing same sex couples vs normal couples as if gay people are the only pedophiles. I somehow erased the rest of my sentence on that story which I was trying to highlight. Im NOT surprised its not mainstream, but here goes. The 2 gay married men from NY are on trial right now. They adopted 9 boys(3 sets of brothers) aged 5-15 and are currently on trial. Of course the homo centric media is tryIng to cover it up.
gay marriages inevitably end in gay divorce, which is why the divorce rate in scandinavia is skyrocketing.
Allowing homosexuals access to marriage is a pandora's box, for a variety of reasons:
1: It puts forth the mistaken notion that marriages fall under the auspises of the (US) government, which flies in the face of US colonial history, where Marriages began as purely a religious institution.
2: It is inherently unconstitutional. The government has no legal authority to impose its view on Marriage, since Marriages began as a matter of faith (see point 1) it therefore violates the first amendment (congres shall make now law)
3: it cheapens the entire institution of Marriage by telling people that the entire reason to marry is NOT to provide for a God inspired, legally recognized family support structure, but is no more than a financial agreement, or a social contract.
4: It further reinforces a mistaken belief that homosexuality is natural, which, even the APA had to admit cannot be scietifically corroborated.
5: It will lead to further divorce rates, an instance in which only divorce lawyers will prosper. This will make marriage meaningless and result in more procreation outside of the formerly monogamous institution of marriage, which will then lead to more bastardized children, more children lacking the proper role models to emulate, and learn from.
I could go on but im running o
As a Christian, are any of you amenable to Civil Unions?
What happened in California should so clearly telegraph to the Supreme Court how we the people want this to go down. I have debated this for many years and actually have a pretty good handle of the legal arguments elsewhere in the blogosphere, but suffice it to be condensed here as per CA:
Some county clerks began issuing marriage licenses to same sex couples in a couple of counties. The head law enforcement officer of the state at the time refused to follow the law and tell those clerks that they had no authority for what they were doing. The legislature determined that same sex couples were not to be treated differently than heterosexual couples. The voters, we the people, basically said to the legislature, fine and dandy; just effect that without changing the definition of marriage to mean what it has always meant (historically, traditionally, etymology-wise, religiously, and legally) that marriage is as between a man and a woman. One judge decided that all of those who voted in favor of Prop 8 were bigots. Checks and balances anyone? Why this has devolved into the morass it has -- when all the CA legislature had to do was to subsume the subset of marriage into the whole set of Civil Union for legal purposes -- is politically based ideology that has not had the proper procedure followed from the get go.
Are Civil Unions out of the question to those of you, like me, who do not want marriage redefined
It is hard to predict what will happen when we enact social change. Back in the late 1960's they enacted "free love" and the result was catastrophic. We lost hundreds of thousands of people to AIDs, 55 million aborted fetus', millions of young men in jail because they grew up without discipline in single parent households, and 2 new incurable STDs. Had we known the outcome, would we have supported "free love"? With gay marriage it looks like no big deal on the surface, but some of my "predictions" have already come to pass. Children need the stability of traditional marriage, but in Europe where they already have gay marriage, the result is that less and less people are getting married. Not sure why, but its almost a direct correlation. Do we really need to know the mechanism? Did we know that "free love" would cause 'irresponsible parenting?"? Nobody predicted these things back in 1969 (the summer of love) but they did come to pass. All those who were against "free love" were depicted as close minded bible thumpers. Sound familiar?
Why cannot everyone see that the gay marriage is really three issues.
1) Allowing gays to marry.
Guess what? Gays can already marry! This is a FAUX ISSUE! Gays are not being arrested, punished, or stopped for marrying each other (except within the domain of various religions). No one is stopping them from uniting and calling their union whatever they want to call it. Yes, government does not recognize it, but there is a reason for that. See next two issues.
2) Allowing gays to enjoy all the same benefits, rights, and privileges offered to traditional married couples.
Guess what? None of these rights, benefits, and privileges have anything to do with marriage! This is another FAUX ISSUE! There is little significant opposition to allowing people of ANY type of relationship to receive APPLICABLE benefits, rights, and privileges. Gays do not need to marry to be granted these privileges.
3) Official government validating of gay unions, and by extension, gay intimacy.
Guess what? It is not the government’s role to legislate morality! We can all understand the desire of gays to be respected, but we cannot grant them respect by disrespecting others in our society. There are two moral issues here that cannot and should not be legislated either pro or con. Is marriage between two people of the same sex morally acceptable or is it an abominable depreciation of the sacred concept of holy matrimony? Is sexual behavior between people of the same sex morally acceptable or
I know, right? You'd think Conservatives and small government types would want the government OUT of everybody's business!
LAUGH-LER14, it has to do with unintended consequences. Shouldn't the government help out those poor women with children and no father in the house to support them? Yes, and now we have men who father children with no intention of supporting mother or child in any way, and mothers who have figured out how to keep popping out babies and get more government money. Unintended consequences. Shouldn't women be allowed to work outside the home just like the men do? Yes, but now women HAVE TO work to make ends meet. Whereas a family used to get by on what Dad made, that's nearly impossible now. Isn't a loving same-sex couple entitled to have a home and the comfort of a stable, recognized relationship, with the same benefits as traditional hetero couples? Yes, but what are the unintended consequences? Other commenters have written about the threat to religion -- and I wonder, won't this further erode the importance of the family? Statistically, children from intact, one man, one woman marriages do better in school and in life. We need to encourage MORE intact, one man, one woman marriages to preserve our culture and society. I'm thinking that attaching "gay" to marriage will be a significant marker in the decline of our civilization. Of course, all these issues are more complex than I have made them. Still.... unintended consequences.
It is wrong. There are absolute truths and this is one of them. The bible says it is wrong many, many times in both the old and new Testaments. No gray areas whatsoever. Believing that if it feels good for you and if it seems right for you then it must be good is called relativism.. That is what is wrong with society.
It's never been about the effect on anyone person but the effect on the society as a whole
"It is the vehicle by which all civil marriages may soon be abolished, including yours. When children are no longer considered central to state purpose, marriage becomes nothing more than a contract between any two (or more) people. A reversal of DOMA could give force to an emerging movement called "singlism," which argues that the state should cease recognition of marriage because it is discriminatory against those who do not have partners.
Furthermore, the un-defining of marriage is only one part of a package deal that includes the transgender push for the un-defining of gender. This is already happening under the radar through laws that define gender identity only on self-perception: seeing yourself on any given day as male, female, both, or neither. If that goal is achieved, the reduction of your "marriage" to social and legal gibberish will be complete. And as we become more isolated from family bonds in the eyes of the state, the state becomes freer to define our humanity."