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LestWeForget

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  • December 12, 2014 at 6:00pm

    Zip,
    Please don’t overreact. I think you misunderstood and for any lack of clarity I apologize. I have been careful to say in our conversations that I don’t know you and can’t judge you but that the things you are saying require God (in the persons of Jesus AND the Holy Spirit) to be a liar and a confuser.

    Scriptures warn us to test the spirits. You can be angry at me for asking you to test the spirit leading you, but it sure isn’t blasphemy. It is meant with brotherly charity for your sake. I don’t know you but I care about your salvation and want you home in the Church where Jesus gives Himself most fully to us. When you attack His Church, He asks “why do you persecute ME!?”

    You read my words to visit the Blessed Sacrament to ask Jesus and the Holy Spirit to guide you and this inner voice of yours goes wildly on the defensive? Why would God grow wildly angry about a suggested conversation with God?

    Read St. Jerome’s words again, which I posted earlier. Let the Church Fathers counsel you. Does your inner voice say to resist their writings? Should it?

    I note, once again, you have an emotional reply but no reasoned response to the numerous challenges to your basis for faith that I put forth – I see only righteous indignation over a question as to the source of your ahistorical, nonApostolic beliefs.

    Please ask Jesus!
    God bless
    bye!

  • [2] December 12, 2014 at 2:38pm

    Zip,
    You’re right we can’t communicate. You think you have a link to God that no one else has, if they, by the billions, and by 2000 years of history, disagree with you. Your interpretations are your own idol.
    It is useless to speak to you because you can’t defend your beliefs, all you offer is “I’m right because I say I am.” It’s absolutely weak. For all your scripture quotes,you cannot, will not, do not know what you are basing your faith on. You can’t answer any question about history. You can’t answer any question about the Bible. For all we know you have a demon in your head telling you how to misinterpret scripture, disguised as an angel of light. If you have no rational way to check that (and you haven’t ever mentioned any rational litmus) then your soul is gravely at risk. You are staking your salvation on yourself.

    Out of charity, I beg you for the final time, find a Catholic Church and go to Adoration. If they don’t have Adoration, sit in front of the Tabernacle. It will be physically the closest you can get to our Lord since you are not Catholic or Orthodox. Get on your knees, repent for any errors and pride you have had, beg for His mercy, and ask Him to send you the Holy Spirit to guide you to the Truth.

    You can read love poems all you want but not really be in a relationship. You can read love poems all you want and still not know what love really is.

    Jesus wants you in His Church so He can GIVE HIMSELF to you. He wants to give you love itself, HIM.
    Bye

  • [1] December 12, 2014 at 9:23am

    Zip,
    In case you missed my questions, who started your church and when? When did the figure-it-out yourself worship the way you describe begin? Wouldn’t that require literacy? What happened to all the Christians before the 385AD when there was no NT canon? Hell?

    Remember 30 years ago the illiteracy problem we had in America? What happened to all those who thought they believed but couldn’t read and interpret for themselves? Hell?

    What about special needs people? Hell?

    Your idea of religion is cruel and lonely.

    The more I hear you talk the more your “spirit voice” sounds frightening. Divisive. Discrepent. Detracting. Denigrating. Luring away from the Eucharist. That’s not holy that’s something else. Please go to Adoration at a Catholic Church and let your voice battle it out with Jesus in the flesh.

    God bless!!

  • [1] December 12, 2014 at 9:16am

    Zip,
    you haven’t shown anything. What promises have you shown to be false? Jesus makes false promises? Blasphemy.

    The language of the text was written many years after Jesus ascended, it was not a dictation by a secretary following him around. Surely you know that, right? Often in English literature, an author will insert French or Latin because it better conveys a point. Jesus uses Aramaic when addressing Peter.

    If you say Peter wasn’t the first pope, then who was?
    I’d like the name.

    True religion given to us by Jesus is not false. Blasphemy.

  • [1] December 12, 2014 at 9:10am

    Do you know who St. Jerome is?

    He said:
    We ought to remain in that Church which was founded by the Apostles and continues to this day. If ever you hear of any that are called Christians taking their name not from the Lord Jesus Christ, but from some other, for instance, Marcionites, Valentinians, Men of the mountain or the plain, you may be sure that you have there not the Church of Christ, but the synagogue of Antichrist.

    For the fact that they took their rise after the foundation of the Church is proof that they are those whose coming the Apostle foretold.

    And let them not flatter themselves if they think they have Scripture authority for their assertions, since the devil himself quoted Scripture, and the essence of the Scriptures is not the letter, but the meaning.

    Otherwise, if we follow the letter, we too can concoct a new dogma and assert that such persons as wear shoes and have two coats must not be received into the Church.

    End quote.

    Your idea of what a Christian is has long been refuted.

  • [1] December 12, 2014 at 8:16am

    Zip,
    And if you believe the Jews didn’t get further to the Truth, you don’t know your Bible History. Did all come to Christ? No, but many did. The Apostles, for example.

    But that is not the point of saying our Church has been here for nearly 2000 years. The point is the Person who founded it and made divine promises to Peter about the Church. We believe in the promises of Christ. Who started your religion that you want us to follow? When? By what authority?

    IF you’re going to pull Catholics away from His Church, you should have all these answers available. IF you aren’t prepared to answer them, you are wasting every breath here on the Blaze, and will have to challenge the voice you hear to provide you with answers that are convincing.

    Find a Catholic Church and go to Adoration and talk to the voice in your head and to Jesus at the same time and see what fireworks ensue. Which one wins? The one we claim to be Jesus or the one you claim to be the Holy Spirit?

    God bless

    God bless.

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  • [1] December 12, 2014 at 8:04am

    g. Catholics are going to ask about the Aramaic problem in Matt 16:18. That will need to be buttoned up in order to recruit someone out of the Church.
    h. You claim to hear a voice in your head. Catholics will know this is not God by one simple test: Does it tell you one thing but tell all his Apostles and their successors another? If you don’t know what the Early Church Fathers, who were taught by the Apostles and anointed and received laying on of hands from them, and further – don’t CARE what they believed (can’t believe you said that) – then how will you know your inner voice is not inventing new doctrine as Scripture warns? Isn’t it safer to go back to the beginning and make sure your inner voice lines up with the Holy Spirit’s guidance back then? Catholics know God doesn’t deceive, lie, divide or change, so modern interpretations from someone not in direct line of succession of the Apostles will lose if there is a difference of interpretation.
    i. When did the Holy Spirit leave the Catholic Church? The Catholic will want proof from history. Unfortunately, this has never been shown despite Reformers’ attempts to do so.
    j. Why would we invite our Lord into our homes, tell Him how much we love Him, but leave His mother in the cold? Catholics are hospitable and know that Jesus loved His mother very much, so why should we offend Him? Where in that act is “holiness”?
    k. Have you seen the Book of Life? You said no one can blot out a name from it. Not even Jesus?

  • December 12, 2014 at 7:40am

    Zip,
    Let’s say there was a devout Catholic out there who knew Church History, The Sacred Scriptures, the Catechism, and who received God’s graces through all means God uses, including the Sacrament of the Most Holy Eucharist and the Sacrament of Reconciliation.

    a. What powers do you have that could pull that person away from receiving the body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus Christ on a weekly, if not daily basis?
    b. What alternative do you offer them, who, like those followers and John 6:66 walked away from the Eucharist? (As Peter rhetorically asked our Lord, “Where would we go? You have the words to eternal life?”)
    c. When they put their complete Bibles on the shelf, what incomplete Bible translation should they go by in order to stop having the fullness of Catholic understanding?
    d. How do you know that’s THE right Bible? This is a big decision for a Catholic so he or she will need a solid answer.
    e. How do we know that Bible doesn’t have too many books? How can we trust that Bible is REALLY the inerrant word of God? How can we know it’s not missing books? After all, once we eliminate the Catholic Church, we have no cause to trust the Scriptures.
    f. How do we go from believing in the Incarnation and Trinity to having them be a question mark? That is a big change. A Catholic being asked to leave the clarity of thousands of years of a Magisterium risks us falling into Arianism, Pelagianism, and other heresies. Will you tell us how to interpret every verse?

  • [1] December 11, 2014 at 1:05pm

    Zip,
    Yes study Catholicism because you keep criticizing it with no basis in reality. If you REFUSE to understand it then you should STOP TALKING ABOUT IT. Bearing false witness. Until you study it you won’t understand that Catholicism is synonymous with Christianity and that the Christian versus Catholic term is a straw man.

    The views of the Apostles and their students better not be irrelevant to you. Those views were in effect long before any Bible was compiled. If I thought I was more right than the Bishops, that I had the Holy Spirit and but they who gave us the Bible canon, did not, I’d need a single bed for my body and a king size for my ego.

    But then, why do you trust your scriptures if you don’t trust the faith of the men who gave it to you? What internal inconsistency – evidence of man-made beliefs.

    No answer to the Aramaic Jesus spoke?

    You are inserting Bible verses to fill space instead of engaging your reasoning skills. Catholics (sheep in the Church Jesus founded) believe all scripture, so you win no arguments quoting verses we have believed and taught for 2000 years. We say AMEN to all Sacred Scripture.

    You interpret Catholic “Tradition” wrongly.Ask the Holy Spirit to help you have the moral courage to learn what Tradition means and what the early Church taught. What do you fear by studying the ancient Church? It’s your way OR there is a True Church founded by Jesus that he’d never leave. You can’t both be right without calling the Holy Spirit deceptive

  • [1] December 10, 2014 at 7:17pm

    Zip,
    Don’t get too upset about the word tradition, the word is actually “Tradition” with a capital T and doesn’t mean lower case “tradition” that you seem to believe. Understandably so!

    Again, study Catholicism. Learn what the Church means by “Tradition” versus “tradition.” Otherwise you are getting needlessly upset about things that you don’t have a grasp of yet.

    Once you get a proper definition for what Catholics mean by “Tradition” then you can re-read what you posted and see it with new eyes.

    God bless.
    P.S. (What do you mean Peter wasn’t given divine promises!!!?) (Christian response)

  • [1] December 10, 2014 at 7:09pm

    Zip,
    Thanks. Did you address that Jesus was speaking Aramaic? You say there is an inconsistency of the sentence. Precisely. That’s is solved if you use the language Jesus was using to speak to Simon bar Jonah, in which case Kepha or Cephas is Peter and Rock. As I said before, the Greek author had to preserve our Lord’s pun as best he could, given that there was no appropriate male Greek name for a petra. A good example of how easy it is to misinterpret without a leader. Jesus wanted us to be one not invent our own doctrine. So he left a steward.

    Do you have any idea when your version/interpretation of Matthew 16:18 began to be believed by Christians? Does it trouble you that the evidence of Peter’s special role is all throughout ancient writings or do you prefer interpretations 2000 years removed from the Apostles to the understandings of those taught first-hand by the Apostles and their subsequent Bishops?

    I don’t get it. You accept the Bishop’s NT canon not the Bishops.

    Recall in Luke 22:31 Jesus says “Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift you[all] as wheat. 32But I have prayed for you, [individually] Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers.” Special prayers.

    When you talk about Jesus giving the keys to the kingdom, you avoided the study of the Greek. It is singular. He gave keys to a singular recipient.

    Isaiah 22:20-22 makes it more clear.

    Pray about it.
    God bless.

  • December 10, 2014 at 6:40pm

    Zip, you are once again getting Catholicism all wrong. You typed libel. Ironic, as you accused Gita of that while committing it yourself.

    Once again, read the Catechism if you want to know what the Church teaches. Read the Scriptures (all of them). Making things up is beneath you.

    God bless.

  • December 10, 2014 at 6:32pm

    Forget it, Via, I proof-texted (I learned how on the Blaze) and found Colossians 2:16 so it saved me oodles of embarrassment at the Christmas, er, pagan-holiday parties, judging others about Sunday worship. Wait, it addresses holydays, too! I can say Christmas again!

    I’m glad you were delayed in answering so I had time to find this. What a face-saver.

    Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

  • December 10, 2014 at 6:21pm

    “It is fitting, then, not only to be called Christians, but to be so in reality: as some indeed give one the title of bishop, but do all things without him. Now such persons seem to me to be not possessed of a good conscience, seeing

    they are not steadfastly gathered together according to the commandment.

    It is fitting, then, not only to be called Christians, but to be so in reality. For it is not the being called so, but the being really so, that renders a man blessed. To those who indeed talk of the bishop, but do all things without him, will He who is the true and first Bishop, and the only High Priest by nature, declare, “Why call ye Me Lord, and do not the things which I say ?” For such persons seem to me not possessed of a good conscience, but to be simply dissemblers and hypocrites.

    layman, do [no]thing without the bishop. Nor let anything appear commendable to you which is destitute of his approval. For every such thing is sinful, and opposed[to the will of] God. Do ye all come together into the same place for prayer…Do ye all, as one man, run together into the temple of God, as unto one altar, to one Jesus Christ, the High Priest of the unbegotten God.
    ….
    If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope,

    no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s Day,

    on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death…

    -Ignatius of Antioch circa 100AD

  • [5] December 9, 2014 at 7:15pm

    Are Methodists Christian? I can’t keep the rules straight, Via.
    I may see one later for egg nog and want to know if I should walk up to them and say “you aren’t Christian and Christians aren’t Methodist.”

    Also, I expect to see a Lutheran at a holiday party who thinks he’s Christian. Should I set him straight or is he okay?

    I know some nondenominational people who break every commandment, hate lots of people, and make up their own beliefs. Let me get it straight – are they the true Christians?

    I want to get your prophetic proclamations correct! No social faux pas for me this pagan-holiday season.

    By the way, God bless.

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  • [3] December 9, 2014 at 7:10pm

    Amazing, the KKK wore crosses on their robes and burned crosses on lawns of Catholics. What an astounding commentary on Anti-Catholicism and the people who believe in it.

    It seems to be the sort of parallel you were trying to draw with this story, Zip, rather than sticking to the point of the story.

    Agree with Klibanophoros – any excuse to cast aspersions on Catholicism and you seem to salivate. I’m not your doctor, but I don’t think that’s healthy.

    God bless!!!!!!

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  • [7] December 7, 2014 at 1:02pm

    rob,
    “permission to do whatever it takes to defend themselves”
    Self-defense and is taught as good by the Church already, the pope doesn’t need to give permission for that. It’s the “whatever it takes” part that the Lord might not condone. It would certainly depend.

  • [10] December 7, 2014 at 10:01am

    The end of the story from EWTN News included appeals to prayer and assurances of prayer.

    Those wanting more to be done, call the White House, call your Senator, call your Congressman, or you are only putting useless complaints online and are not part of the solution you demand.

    No Christian or Jew should ever, EVER, underestimate the power of prayer in these matters. (Look at Lepanto!) So, pray, people of faith.

    Give to “Aid to the Church in Need” if you are compelled.

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  • December 6, 2014 at 1:47pm

    Via, as you’ve stated before, you believe Catholics follow Satan. You are repeating that here.

    Moderators, how do you define “slander” and “civil” and attack on people’s religion in your TOS? Is the TOS meant to be enforced or is it meant to be ignored or pushed to an absurd limit?

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  • [1] December 6, 2014 at 1:44pm

    We get it. You hate the Catholic Church (shhh, I’m playing along with your “anti-Catholic” character). You’re influencing no one. The only people that believe you are the ones who already believe the same. At some point, you can shake the dust from your sandals and find another site to try out your anti-Catholic comedy-stylings on.

    Besides your arguments are silly and it’s not nice to try so effectively to make fundamentalists look bad and uninformed, even if it’s in the name of comedy. After all, we Catholics know they mean well and believe they have hearts for Jesus so let’s just leave them to the writings of the Church Fathers, to prayer, and they will get to the Truth without having to be aped mocked by comedians.

    God bless.

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