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LestWeForget

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  • May 2, 2016 at 4:00pm

    @J
    to add to Gita’s response, the parish priest works with a parish council on certain matters, but he is an extension of the Bishop so he answers to the Bishop of his diocese.

    The priest’s authority rests in the Bishop, who is a successor to the Apostles.
    I’m not sure if I’m phrasing that right.

    I hope that answers your question. (It’s the Bishops who are in true authority, which is why Gita gave you the answer she did.)

  • May 2, 2016 at 11:47am

    @J
    All good works we with faith do are in response to and cooperation with God’s grace. To God be the glory. With faith, good works (including avoiding sin) sadly do not necessarily follow. As James says, even the demons believe, and they are not saved (by “faith alone”).

    Have a great day as well.

  • [1] May 2, 2016 at 9:53am

    I am with Ultra.
    What?

  • May 2, 2016 at 9:36am

    fward,
    Those are all Protestant interpretations.
    The historical Church that is 2000 years old disagrees. She is in good hands as the Holy Spirit protects her. Jesus said the gates of hell wouldn’t prevail against His Church. If you believe a false Bible was taught for 1200 years, that the men the Apostles laid hands on were false teachers, that for 2000 years the Sacraments have been falsely administered, and that God permitted the Church to teach salvation the wrong way all this time, you are calling Jesus a liar.

    Can God protect His Church or not?
    Did the Holy Spirit fail and, as the Mormons claim, need to start over?

    If you believe that your interpretations are led by the Holy Spirit, then you MUST believe that the Holy Spirit lied to the Bishops from the first few Centuries onward: They were all Catholic.

    “To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant” John Henry Cardinal Newman. He converted from Anglicanism to Catholicism by studying the Early Church Fathers, among other things.

    Newman found that the claims such as the ones you repeat, as taught by your church’s founder, go against 2000 years of teaching. Newman discovered that the things the early Church believed are all Catholic, such as the Sacrifice of the Mass, the Real Presence of the Eucharist, the necessity and regenerative nature of Baptism, the view of Scripture and Tradition, the Sacraments, the Primacy of Peter, and Apostolic succession and magisterial authority, etcetera.

    So, since you probably never have studied these men, I invite you to read the Early Church Fathers. I invite you to compare these teachers with the teachers you choose to follow today.

    Then ask these teachers to explain to you how God, in the person of the Holy Spirit, would mislead the Church for 1500 years, allowing them to read a Bible that was too big, then when a scrupulous probably bipolar man was defecating, gave him the “Faith Alone” idea for the first time in history. Then ask, if Luther was authorized by God to change the BIBLE, why aren’t ALL Protestants Lutheran? Even Lutherans aren’t all Lutheran with their dozens and dozens of divisions and different doctrines. Is this how the Holy Spirit guides truth? Through total confusion and divergent teachings?

    No.

    Here is a book that I pray you begin with because it is easy to understand. The Protestant Dilemma by Devin Rose (atheist turned Evangelical, now with a fully realized faith in the Catholic Church) http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Item/3046/Delving_Into_The_Protestants_Dilemma.aspx

    God bless
    P.S. Don’t rely on what others have told you to believe all your life. Go to the beginning and find out for yourself. You owe it to Jesus and your family.

  • May 2, 2016 at 9:09am

    fward,
    That interpretation is incomplete, James explains in Ch 2,
    21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar? 22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by works, 23 and the scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness”; and he was called the friend of God. 24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. 25 And in the same way was not also Rahab the harlot justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? 26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so faith apart from works is dead.

    There are no contradictions in the Bible. James and Paul are not saying opposite things, but, as Peter says, Paul is hard to understand and easily twisted. 2 Pet 3:16

    In this same passage, Peter, talking about the second coming discusses the need to be holy and godly, “to be zealous to be found by [Jesus] without spot or blemish, and at peace. [In other words, found without sin. This includes sins of omission, things we SHOULD have done with the grace and gifts God gave us. He is saying be sure you haven’t done bad works – sin – and have done good works.] And count the forbearance of our Lord as salvation. So also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, beware lest you be carried away with the error of lawless men and lose your own stability.”

    Peter warns that misinterpreting Paul is easy to do, to beware of those who twist his words, that we should be spotless or we may lose our own “stability” – you can see how salvation can be lost if we are not found spotless because we have followed those who are lawless, those who encourage sin and deny the importance of good works.

    Section II of this article may help you to understand that there is a language barrier between Protestants and Catholics on the issue of justification. http://www.ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/RIGHTEOU.HTM
    Section I touches slightly on “Faith” which is true historical teaching versus “Faith Alone” which Luther invented.

    God bless.

  • [3] May 2, 2016 at 8:37am

    The angels have to say this because they have a message to give and need the receiver to not faint.

  • [16] May 2, 2016 at 8:35am

    This devout Catholic couldn’t agree with you more.
    Thank you for your post. You ended it perfectly so forgive my Christian addition, that beauty is transcendent and “the Beauty will save the world” as Dostoevsky wrote about Christ. To be in a Cathedral and to be in a pre-fab building with blank walls has a different effect on the soul. Of course the cathedral of being under the stars on a clear night is the most beautiful of all.

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  • [3] May 2, 2016 at 8:24am

    Rev Warren is correct.
    The spirit of fear in some Christian circles makes no sense.
    Away with it!
    Away with the conspiracy theories that divide us and the petty anger that pushes you further away from your brothers and sisters.
    Away with fear.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKNNTyUhujE
    “Be not afraid” and other words to America from St. John Paul II

    Be not afraid were the first and final words of his pontificate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU_CmkmQEpw

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  • April 30, 2016 at 6:50pm

    fward,
    Catholics believe all those verses.

    Gal 2:14-16 is a teaching about the works of the law, the law of Moses. That is why he is discussing circumcision and diets. Here Paul, in verse 20, says it is no longer I who live but Christ who lives in me. Jesus does not sin, Jesus loves (good works). So if Christ is IN a person, this is infused grace, the person is different and therefore the good works are from Christ. This is the Catholic view. You probably believe in imputed grace, that we don’t change. Paul says otherwise.

    Gal 5:4-6 states the Catholic position beautifully. Faith working through Love. Amen! Verses 13-15 reiterate the importance of good works: Loving one another as Jesus commanded.

    Romans 4:22-25 still talking about circumcision and how Abraham became righteous. And it continues in Romans 5:2 “Through him we have obtained access to this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in our hope of sharing the glory of God.” We don’t rejoice in the guarantee of sharing the glory of God.

    Jesus tells us how he will judge us. Rev:12,15 “Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense, to repay every one for what he has done…[not let into heaven] are the dogs and sorcerers and fornicators and murderers and idolaters, and every one who every one who loves and practices falsehood.”

    Jesus is the “author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him” Hebrews 5:9

  • April 30, 2016 at 11:18am

    @inthe
    I don’t read Greek but you should know the word Priest comes from Presbyter.

  • April 30, 2016 at 9:53am

    fward
    Take this example from 251AD by St. Cyprian.

    This holy saint of the Early Church says the precise opposite of what you say almost 1800 years later, and furthermore he has a message for those who place themselves outside the God-given authority of “Peter” the Pope.

    “’…thou art Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church’ … It is on him that he builds the Church, and to him that he entrusts the sheep to feed. And although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single Chair, thus establishing by his own authority the source and hallmark of the (Church’s) oneness…If a man does not fast to this oneness of Peter, does he still imagine that he still holds the faith. If he deserts the Chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, has he still confidence that he is in the Church?” Cyprian, De Unitate Ecclesiae (Primacy text), 4

  • April 30, 2016 at 9:46am

    fward,
    Of course your interpretation would not be the Catholic one, because you have placed yourself outside the Church Jesus founded and you like it there. If you were to begin to interpret Scripture as the Church has taught it for 2000 years, you would have to leave the denomination you feel so comfortable in.

    I have two questions about your interpretation:
    1) Are you infallible in interpretation?
    2) What makes your interpretation correct and the consistent teaching of the Church for 2000 years incorrect?

    See in your interpretation, you essentially claim a new gospel, a new understanding that is in opposition to what the students of the Apostles taught. These very men, in turn, passed on the teaching and Apostolic authority to other men. And so on until those men, called Catholic Bishops, compiled the New Testament and set the Old Testament canon.

    If these men could compile the Bible, including Matthew 16, then how is it they can’t understand what it means. Whereas you cannot change the canon of Scripture, but you think you DO understand what it means?

    If this is how you think God leads His Church, what is the point? It’s built on sand.
    Catholics believe Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to guide the Church into ALL truth, and we are built on a Rock. For sure, upon Jesus, but also the one Jesus specifically called Rock.

    Read Isaiah 22 to understand what the keys and loosing and binding mean.

  • April 30, 2016 at 9:35am

    @J
    Of course people leave the Catholic Church. Just like people prefer cotton candy to meat. It doesn’t mean it’s good for them.

    Judas left the 12 and found himself dead.
    Doesn’t mean Jesus wasn’t teaching him the 100% truth and offering him salvation.
    The Apostles lost Catholics to heretics and warned about false teachers luring them away and tickling their ears.
    It happens and the Bible describes that this happens from the very beginning.

    The same Church, teaching the Catholic faith, descending from the same Apostles as instituted by Jesus Himself, is going to lose people.

    The gate is narrow and the way is difficult. Meat needs preparation to eat and harder to chew but ultimately more satisfying. Cotton candy is alot of hot air wrapped in sweetness.

  • [16] April 29, 2016 at 8:00pm

    It’s not a buzzword, it’s one of our founding documents, upon which this American Experiment rests.

    If you reduce it to a buzzword, that says something.

  • [41] April 29, 2016 at 7:15pm

    We could thrive under a real leader who can articulate the constitutional conservative view so eloquently.
    God bless Ted Cruz and God save us from more self-combustion as a nation.

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  • [25] April 29, 2016 at 6:40pm

    super sweet. More people like this. More stories like this.
    Please.

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  • [1] April 29, 2016 at 5:22pm

    JunieMae,
    THANK YOU!
    Great response. That definition puts it into the milk category, however, in my opinion. It’s encouraging young believers – the very kind not ready for meat (by what Paul says). Fellowship is not something to chew on. It is an aid and encouragement, a communal benefit, but not, ipso facto, substantive teaching.

    A concern I have is when the church isn’t teaching truth, then this encouragement is actually bad for the souls of the others. It’s spoiled milk drowned in chocolate syrup, not the “meat” of deep revealed truth.

    Just my opinion. Churches that place “fellowship” as one of the primary purposes for “church” don’t get very deep. They are aimed at the lost sheep and the sermons are always geared toward the new believer, the newcomer. When that’s the case on an ongoing basis, the opportunity to plunge into meaty, deeper truths is sacrificed by the pastor.

    Respect for the reply.

  • April 29, 2016 at 5:06pm

    Git R Done,
    A bit out of the blue with that comment, considering there is a discussion in progress. at least I hope to receive a response.

    But yes, it’s true that we believe Jesus’ words and understand what He meant when He gave the Keys of the Kingdom to Peter and the authority to loose and bind.

    It’s generally not a good idea to doubt God. Ask Eve and Adam.

  • [1] April 29, 2016 at 5:03pm

    Because of fellow sinners?
    Which church do you belong to now that has no sinners?

    I am glad the Catholic Church is a hospital for sinners! It’s exactly where I, a sinner, belong!

  • [1] April 29, 2016 at 5:03pm

    The Catholic Church is guided by the Holy Spirit, and has been since 33AD.
    The New Testament is a product of the Church, not the other way around.
    If God trusted His Church to determine the canon of Scripture, to define dogmas, write creeds, defend the faith and forgive sins, that’s where all of God’s heirs should be on earth.

    May I ask, why did you leave the Eucharist? Why did you leave the complete Bible behind? Why do you think the truth at your church is correct and based on what moment in history? In other words, who founded your church and when? by what authority?

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