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LestWeForget

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  • [-1] August 29, 2014 at 9:23am

    jb, The pope is the Bishop of Rome. He has Apostolic authority like the other Bishops. However, he has primacy. Like chair of Moses, like the steward. This authority passes on. It’s an office, not a person.

    In your church, who is your “pope”? Who has interpretive authority? Your pastor? Your Scriptures? Yourself?

  • August 29, 2014 at 9:19am

    jb, you’re arguing for something Catholics believe, that the Apostoles had authority.

    You show you don’t know much about Catholic teaching if you’ll argue AGAINST beliefs that are IN Catholic teaching.

  • August 29, 2014 at 9:18am

    jb, you’re arguing for something Catholics believe, that the Apostoles had authority.

    You show you don’t know much about Catholic teaching if you’ll argue AGAINST beliefs that are IN Catholic teaching.

  • [1] August 29, 2014 at 9:12am

    JGraham III

    I much enjoyed the second part of your reply and agree we are each on our own journey. I pray the Lord blesses you along yours. We were never designed to worship or walk the path entirely alone. Jesus left us the Sacraments and a Church to help us.

    I can’t claim to be my own Bishop (or Pope) and figure it all out myself. If that is how Jesus intended it, children and the less-intelligent couldn’t understand it on their own. There wouldn’t have been a Church until the modern era, and we know to believe that would be making a liar out of Jesus.

    As well, if Scripture were so clear that we could all be our own Popes, we would not have 33K denominations and interpretations. I believe that Jesus wouldn’t leave us orphans. Nor would he leave us divided. The Body of Christ should be one, not severed parts.

    Jesus loved us enough to leave a teaching authority. He never commanded anyone to write down the Bible or wait over 14 centuries until a modern invention made Bibles in the home affordable. He sent out the Apostles to preach, Baptize forgive sins, and administer the Eucharist. etcetera.

    This is what the early Church did and this is what we do today. Together. People will be together in heaven, not alone. Heaven starts here, in the Mass.

    Don’t walk alone for long. It’s not the way Jesus wanted us to be. In His love, with you,
    -Lest

  • [1] August 29, 2014 at 8:59am

    JGraham III,
    Good morning. I came to see if you had time to reply and it looks like you did, but spent the time putting down By Faith. I thought I had asked a reasonable thing, to use numbers so that we can be on the same page. Christian to Christian did I ask too much?

    6) If I were to try to respect my own request, I suppose you sort of discussed #6 when you cautioned me about using 1 Cor 1.

    One of many blessed facts about Catholicism is we affirm all of Scripture as the Catholic Church has since the Bishops settled on a 73 book canon in the 4th Century. Similarly, we take all warnings in Scripture seriously. We pray for unity as Christ did in John 17 but still men followed their own heresies and began their own religions. They call these denominations. That is a divisive concept which is diametrically opposed to the faith of the Catholic Church. The Church is One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic.

    Secondly, I didn’t mean you had to find the word denomination in Scripture. I simply wanted to know when it first was used in application to religion. If you want to assert that it applies to Catholicism, which is the same Church founded in 33 AD (and a nod to the EO lung which is Apostolic), the burden of proof is on you.

    I really don’t need a reply, at this point it’s more hypothetical and an encouragement to not use that word without being able to make a historical and logical case for it.

  • August 28, 2014 at 3:59pm

    good discussion. The seat of Moses is a powerful example for those with open eyes.

    jb, what’s with the divisive attitude, brother? I am reading your replies and you use the word “Roman” almost as much as the word “the.”

    Unity should be our common prayer. Let the Bishops work it out. Our job is to pray and love as brothers. Let’s show charity to one another.

  • [1] August 28, 2014 at 3:50pm

    I love Jesus Christ, Son of God, the King of King and Lord of Lords! He suffered, died, and rose from the dead to open heaven for us sinners. He loves us. Even those who don’t love Him back.

    He wants us to turn to Him and accept His Great love and mercy.

    Clinging to the cross as I know ByFaith is,
    -Lest
    P.S. That’s the most important message I had to contribute to this convo.

  • [2] August 28, 2014 at 11:20am

    JGraham III
    5) I don’t know your denomination. Do you accept the Trinity which you brought up as extraBiblical?

    6) Your use of 1 Corinthians helps my point because it’s been the position of the Catholic Church throughout her 20 Centuries. Unity. As Christ prayed for. Not “denominations” or schisms. The Apostles are clear on how the Church should handle those who fell into heresy and apostasy. You see it in Acts with the Circumcisers and long before the canon of Scripture was set by the Church, in battling Gnosticism, Arianism, Montanism, and so forth. You’ll also see the Bishops continued to battle heresies that cropped up AFTER they, through the Holy Spirit, determined the Scripture canon in the 4th Century. Scripture is not so clear that Pelagianism (works based salvation) didn’t pop up. The Catholic Church protected the deposit of faith against that. Same with Semi-Pelagianism, Nestorianism, and other threats to the faith that men were manipulating scripture to promote. Scripture can be abused badly. That is why the Church is the foundation of truth. A living teacher, protector of the faith, through Apostolic succession.

  • [2] August 28, 2014 at 11:07am

    JGraham III
    I don’t think we’re understanding each other. Maybe it would help to number your replies as you address the questions. I’ll try again:

    1) You claim anything outside the Bible is a tradition of men and say defer only to the scriptures, but don’t call that sola scriptura? Explain?

    2) How does JGraham III know which sacred writings inspired and should be in his canon of Scripture, on which he claims “all things pertaining to The Faith” should be decided? By what authority do you claim the books you use are the ones God wanted all men to use?

    3) Unless and until you can identify the authority you have to know which Sacred books are inspired, you can’t know your Bible is trustworthy, and therefore can’t base your beliefs on it. Scripture didn’t determine itself. The Church determined it.

    The pillar and foundation of truth is NOT the Scriptures.

    4) If you don’t see the Catholic faith in the early church, Ignatius of Antioch would take issue with you and the Didache would as well. So would the Early Fathers. Wait, those are extrabiblical writings. On the other hand, many men in the 17th Century would agree with you as would anti-Catholics like Foxe and Boettner. Wait, those are extrabiblical writings, too. Now, that’s quite the quandry. Do we look at writings from the 1st and 2nd Century, 1400 years before a protestant Bible was determined, or do we skip to the men who divided the Body of Christ?

  • August 28, 2014 at 9:26am

    prefiguring the Sacraments.

  • [1] August 28, 2014 at 9:24am

    JGraham III
    Just as you could say the sky is green, calling the Catholic Church a denomination doesn’t make it so.

    As to the rest of your post, irrelevant to the article, you’ve never looked into sola scriptura have you? Just accepted it. It’s not Biblical, but a self-refuting Tradition attributed by many to one man.

    If you can find the word denomination attributed to religion before that man protested the Catholic faith, please share.

    Now, answer Guatemalanwatersnakes, would you mind? WHAT AUTHORITY do these men have apart from the one Church Jesus founded on Peter?

  • [1] August 28, 2014 at 9:12am

    Someone “Owns” the OT who doesn’t recognize Jesus as the Christ?

    Are you speaking of Jews?
    I seem to remember a whole slew of Jews who recognized Jesus as the Messiah. Simon Peter, Matthew, Paul, John, Phillip, Jude, James, to name a few?

    Who is the early church to you?

    What do you mean edited? There was no OT/NT “Bible” to edit for many years after the Church was spreading the faith by Tradition. Edit isn’t the correct word.

  • [2] August 16, 2014 at 7:24pm

    Kevin, No there isn’t a difference. If a person cannot function (special needs), or can’t find a job (Obama generation), that person will find a hard time fulfilling any basic “biological” needs like eating or sheltering.

    You expect me to believe that YOU believe a person gains legitimacy only when they don’t need biological cares covered? What an inhumane leftist way to think.

    No one calls it a fetus when it is wanted. Ask your mother. Ask your friends, if you don’t have children. They ALL announce “we’re having a baby” when they are happy about it.

    The ONLY difference is one is loved and one is going to inconvenience a mother for several months. Pure selfishness and evil to murder a person you find inconvenient.

    God will forgive the repentant but as a society we can’t talk about it like it’s anything other than murdering of an innocent, like each of us once was in our own mother’s womb.

  • August 16, 2014 at 4:34pm

    edit: Scientifically or morally.

    Disagree? Prove the intellectual and moral soundness of your thinking. Define “human life”.

  • [4] August 16, 2014 at 4:32pm

    Leeching? Not independent? Inconveniencing mommy?

    Why don’t we kill mentally disabled and physically handicapped people, kevin? Your buddy Margaret Sanger liked that idea, just like Hitler.

    What about 25 year olds in the Obama economy living dependent on mom, in her basement while they type comments on articles online? Leeching.

    Not everything is a shade of gray.

    Unborn humans are LIVING humans by any definition of the term, science or moral.

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  • August 16, 2014 at 12:54pm

    despite being off-topic
    Remember, the President ordered the police to show restraint.

  • August 13, 2014 at 8:16am

    ….no matter their weapon of choice (the tongue or the sword)

  • [1] August 13, 2014 at 8:15am

    @flier,
    you are 100% correct that that is where the focus should be within our hearts and in our prayers and what I also said yesterday in comments, which is if people can’t unite in prayer with the Catholic Church because they can’t see past their hatred for the Church to pray with her, they may wish to do some soul-searching. Rapture has several “likes” to calling the Pope the anti-christ. What s/he and the anonymous likers employ is an indefensible form of cowardly persecution toward the Church Jesus founded. It’s the same faith for which many in Iraq are being murdered, and for which more martyrs were made last century than even the 1-2 Centuries.

    If Catholics will die for their faith, couldn’t they at least make the effort to defend the faith in comments? Many people read these and it is good to read the truth as the Church teaches rather than the vile lies anti-Catholics such as fellow Christians and ISIS people would have the world believe. Hatred and division in Christianity is based on lies and is the work of the devil and I don’t know about you but I like to silence that evil fool. The work of the devil can be in a beheading and in a forked tongue. That’s no condemnation of Rapture. S/he may not know they’re spreading lies, though Catholics keep trying to educate.

    Those who hate a holy man more than they show compassion for our persecuted fellow man need to be alerted for the sake of their soul; we pray for the persecuted & our persecutors…..

  • [3] August 12, 2014 at 7:03pm

    …cont’d

    YOU: If it were literal Jesus would have pulled out a knife and cut off junks of flesh and opened His veins. He did not
    ME: In His great mercy he allows us to taste wine and bread though the substance has changed. Also, his human body was finite but his divine self is infinite, thus from the sun’s rising to setting a perfect offering may be made to the Glory of His name, in the Eucharist.

    YOU: If you believe you are drinking the blood of Christ and eating His flesh you are taking communion in an unworthy manner because what you are eating with come out of the body as waste
    ME: This is what Jesus instructed to have life within us and for the forgiveness of sins. In His perfect design, God made even the manure of creatures to nourish fields of flowers and vegetation. The only waste we should be worried about is time wasted avoiding the truth as Jesus intended for us. He alone saves. “Unless you eat my flesh, you shall not have life within you.” I choose to take this hard saying as Peter and the Twelve did when Jesus asked them if they, too, would leave after this hard saying: “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life…”

    If it weren’t a big deal, why would Paul warn not to eat it unworthily, lest one get sick and die as some have (he wrote)? How does one eat a cracker unworthily?

    YOU: Eucharist is utterly satanic
    ME: Only if your interpretation is infallible but 2000 yrs of Church teaching isn’t.

  • [2] August 12, 2014 at 6:48pm

    Rapture,

    YOU: So you are saying that a man can reenter his mothers womb and be born again?
    ME: No, I’d never said that nor has the Catholic Church, since Nicodemus already asked that question and Jesus answered it. In the waters of Baptism we die with Christ and are born again – born of water AND the spirit. Not born of spirit with no water.

    YOU: Is it not the point that Jesus is making that one needs to be born again SPIRITUALLY and not physically?
    ME: Well, yes! God uses physical means, just as he used circumcision and eating of the passover lamb in the OT. Humans are spiritual and physical beings and through the Sacraments God’s graces are given to us. Jesus was Incarnate through a physical birth, received a physical water Baptism that he didn’t “need” at which time the Holy Spirit descended and the voice of the Father rang out; Jesus died a physical death and both rose and ascended, body and soul.

    YOU: John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

    ME: What are those words that Jesus says are LIFE? Those words are, paraphrasing, Gnaw on my Flesh and drink my blood. The flesh that profits nothing is THEIR flesh, not the Lord’s. He’s teaching them this is something for the spirit to understand, as revealed truths often depend on faith, not reason. You are thinking with your flesh by saying Jesus would cut off chunks to feed them. cont’d…

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