User Profile: LestWeForget

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  • September 21, 2016 at 2:12pm

    fward,
    This is a hypothetical, not what we are discussing:

    “If the pope expects the rest of the world to just ‘carte blanche’ let anyone in as they please without considering the needs of security for those who already live there…”

    Do me a favor and back that up with the Pope’s saying the needs of security of the residents should be not regarded whatsoever. This would require him to go AGAINST Catholic social teaching.

    Are you familiar with Catholic social teaching? Would you like to know what the Pope means when he speaks about welcoming refugees?

  • [1] September 21, 2016 at 12:18pm

    fward,
    agreed, so why is everybody freaking out about the Pope’s comments?
    He is teaching the Lord’s teaching.
    Nothing about welcoming murderers.

    It’s like eisegesis – people are attaching meaning, seeing what they want to see, when he uses the term “refugees”. It is up to the various nations to figure out whom to let in and how to welcome them. A warm welcome helps them to assimilate. A cold shoulder and fear and division is not Christlike. Period. It is also just really dumb policy/practice.

    Look at it in a family. Your brother brings home a new wife that is VERY different, stuck up and opinionated. Do you shun her, making her justified in her self-serving opinions? Or do you warmly welcome her into the family, help her to get to know you, and watch her slowly melt her own preconceptions?

    It’s the human family. No different, really, when it comes down to it.

  • September 21, 2016 at 12:07pm

    fward,
    What I have written is true – the “YOU FIRST” mentality is not Christian. At all.
    What does pacifism/nonpacifism have to do with whether we welcome persecuted Christian refugees?
    What have I said that gives you the impression that I want to welcome murderers into our nation? Was it the part where I called Obama’s policies hideous? I understand people will be uncharitable toward the Pope, and take it out on any Catholic in the foray, but you are not an atheist or an Anti-Catholic like most people responding to me, so maybe a little benefit of the doubt next time?

    Here is the question, what part of Christian teaching says of love for neighbor, “No. You first.”
    ??

  • [2] September 21, 2016 at 8:46am

    Zip
    Here again in your words, you claim to have the power equal to that which belongs to God alone. By implying I am unsaved, you not only contradict your belief in FAITH ALONE which says I am indeed saved, but you also sin GRAVELY. By sitting in judgment of another person’s soul, a job ONLY GOD can do, you assert yourself, again, Equal to Jesus. This grave sin, Jesus says, makes you subject to judgment.

    Is Catholic-bashing really worth that? Such a tiny, momentary reward you get out of posting something you think is really snarky and stinging?

    It doesn’t affect me one small bit, Zip. It affects only you by revealing the actions of your free will and being one more thing the Lord will hold up before you at the Judgment Day.

    Is Messiah Jesus and is He Divine?
    If so, how can you be equal to God?
    Did even Satan claim equality with God?

    As for your verses. Amen to each of them.
    As you know, we believe everything in Scripture (ALL 73 books)

    Your “favorite” is great. Lions make for a good metaphor.

    It’s also interesting to me that in this verse you reverse course from your belief that no man is righteous, and say your “favorite” says man can be righteous.

    “The wicked flee when no one is pursuing, But the righteous are bold as a lion. – Proverbs 28:1″

    But these verses do NOT say EQUAL to Jesus in boldness.
    Besides, when a man uses boldness in sin rather than holy obedience, his actions are not godly, nor righteous. Not in accord with the will of God.

    God gives us gifts. Often we abuse and misuse them. This is sinful.
    When we humble ourselves as Jesus did to use our gifts, only then can we be holy. How do we humble ourselves? We seek first the Kingdom of God, the will of God, and seek to be righteous/holy. If our words do not serve the will of God, we should not do them.

    I can’t see how claiming “I am as good as Jesus” is in accord with that.

  • [1] September 21, 2016 at 8:24am

    fward,
    Thank you for again being one of the only ones (if not only) to speak up for Catholics against the uncharitable characterizations and untrue comments.

    We say Amen to those verses on boldness!

    However, my confusion on Zip’s equating himself with God remains, since no verse or interpretation means that man has an EQUAL portion of the divine qualities of Jesus.

    Aside from the purely Biblical repudiation of Zip’s claim to be equal to Jesus, a little philosophy does it, too:

    God is his own divine source of boldness.
    We receive grace in a portion from that divine source, manifesting as boldness.
    We don’t generate our own boldness in infinitely perfect amount and application, just as a cup of water doesn’t generate it’s own eternal spring.

    Returning to Scripture, we see that in the beginning, mankind grasped for equality with God. Such a sin caused The Fall. In Phil 2, Saint Paul contrasts this with Jesus, who though He is God, didn’t regard equality with God as something to be grasped, rather He emptied himself, taking the form of a slave. Saint Paul emphasizes humility, and pleads with us to emulate the humility of Christ.

    Does this all mean we aren’t bold or shouldn’t be? No. It means only that in our emulation we still cannot claim to be equal to Jesus – equality with God being something even HE didn’t try to grasp, unlike Adam and Eve whose sin caused death to enter the world.

    Adam = tried to be equal to God.
    Jesus = showed man the better way. obedience.

    (But if “Messiah” isn’t Divine, then none of this matters. Zip can unrestrictedly claim equality to another man who possesses finite characteristics. Ask him if Messiah is Divine.)

  • [-1] September 20, 2016 at 1:17pm

    Stop! My gut hurts from laughing!
    oh, the irony of it all!

  • [-2] September 20, 2016 at 9:45am

    I’m not sensitive about thumbs down, but they make me laugh.
    Reminds me of a little kid stomping off for not getting his way on the ball field.

    Use your words, kid. It’s the rational way to behave.

  • [-1] September 20, 2016 at 9:08am

    Using your own words, what are you saying compared to what you said on the article quoting Pope Francis and the loving of refugees?

    Seems opposite so please clarify.

  • [7] September 20, 2016 at 9:06am

    Excellent points.
    “[secularism/atheism] can’t win hearts because it doesn’t speak to the soul. It has no answers. It offers no direction.

    “Islam offers answers, and it wins converts. They are the wrong answers, of course, but they are answers at least. Islam speaks about the soul, about eternity, about spirituality and about all of the other profound, transcendent things that liberalism denies or ignores, even though all human beings deeply hunger for them.”

    Just look at our Prisons to see how effective muslim recruitment is, especially of blacks. Men who due to liberal policy failures lack an identity in this secular world based on POWER. Islam gives them the sense of power they can’t get from welfare and affirmative action.

  • [-1] September 20, 2016 at 8:17am

    fulfilling is one of those really relative terms that doesn’t mean alot for society.
    I could find it fulfilling to beat my wife twice a day.

  • [-1] September 20, 2016 at 8:16am

    Not true about full Christianity, maybe some loose versions of it.
    http://w2.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_jp-ii_enc_14091998_fides-et-ratio.html

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  • [2] September 20, 2016 at 8:14am

    God’s gift to mankind, separating us from the beasts.
    Not only perfectly compatible with TRUE religion but also necessary.
    Two wings of a bird on which man is lifted.
    http://w2.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_jp-ii_enc_14091998_fides-et-ratio.html

  • [-1] September 19, 2016 at 1:31pm

    Roll,
    The Early Church Fathers answered you already.
    Your Sola Scriptura idea wasn’t even invented for another THOUSAND years.
    It is exactly like me demanding, beating a dead horse, that you prove to me from the Bible when you stopped beating your wife.

    Logic is a gift from God.
    Understand that under Faith Alone, YOUR belief system, nothing Catholics do matters.
    Period. So you can just love us.

    Understand that you place demands of SOLA SCRIPTURA on Catholics which is a false doctrine of the man, fallible, sinner, Luther. We ARE NOT sola Scriptura because we came BEFORE scriptura. IT’S OUR Scriptura, written by US. And when we wrote it, we NEVER looked upon it as SOLA. It even says so in the Scriptura.

    So you demand answers your way, which for 2000 years, God’s Church has NEVER believed.

    It is a new, man-made belief.

    Since your view is the new one, and man-made, then you first need to prove that it is a reasonable thing to demand.

    Since you can’t even say what is IN the BIBLE without invoking a sinner, man, who threw his own feces gleefully and wanted to cut out 20% of the Catholic Bible, then you are going to have to work really hard.

    Make your case. But how?
    You can’t do it with Scripture.
    You can’t do it with History.
    You can’t do it with Logic.
    You can’t do it with Anger, or Hate, or really strong opinions.
    You can’t do it with Virtue.
    You can’t do it with mere fervent HOPE.

    as I too shake the dust, remember you stake your salvation on your belief in
    Faith Alone.
    Continue on this fruitless path and you show you don’t even believe your own doctrine. OR you modify it to be: faith alone of us, but not them. Something you also couldn’t show from Scripture if you applied your other man-made doctrine of Sola Scriptura.

    Logic. Not hard. Just not in ready supply sometimes.

  • [-1] September 19, 2016 at 8:51am

    Roll,
    So you reassert “Faith Alone”
    Good then leave Catholics alone, because we will be saved on faith alone.
    You never need mention sinning Popes again, because as you say, they will be saved on Faith Alone, and their sins, mistakes DO NOT matter. Such actions are works.

    How we worship and how the Church is structured – WORKS. Don’t matter.
    So, time to end your criticism. If you TRULY believe in FAITH ALONE, then no sins matter. No sins of Popes. No sins of billions of Catholics for 2000 years.

    Period.

    I expect you won’t see how your passions conflict with your stated beliefs. Sins can blind us to our own faults and errors.

  • [-4] September 18, 2016 at 9:57am

    Amen, Deception.
    Not sure you have ever before agreed with my comments and provided supporting verses for my points, but thanks for the assist.

  • [-2] September 18, 2016 at 9:54am

    Deception,
    If your mom said to stop hitting your brother and apologize, did you call her “Pharisee”?
    She was still right.

    Thank you for blessing me.

  • [-3] September 17, 2016 at 11:01pm

    Do you think every time the Pope speaks he is talking only to and about Americans?
    The Catholic Church is catholic: Universal, Everywhere.

    Because you are angry with Obama’s hideous policies, you reject Gospel teaching?

  • [-7] September 17, 2016 at 10:07pm

    Shocking every time someone downvotes the Word of God, but I have to remember, many people hate Christ. Always have. Always will.

  • [-4] September 17, 2016 at 9:05pm

    I read the article and didn’t see anything about welcoming murderous members of ISIS or the like.

    Please point me to that. Clearly I missed it because I saw “refugees” and I know Christianity is becoming extinct in the Middle East due to evil men.

    Why wouldn’t we WELCOME them?
    I don’t get your form of Christianity.

    Mt 25.
    Jesus’ words.

  • [-4] September 17, 2016 at 9:01pm

    Wold, not a universal truth. God says to DO GOOD WORKS. It’s eternal punishment I care about.

    Twisted – “you first” kind of guy, too. Great. If everyone had that attitude we wouldn’t have this nation let alone…anything. Imagine the cave men that didn’t want to start a fire until “you first.” People with courage and conviction don’t get your attitude.

    Thainn- why do you think every refugee wants to kill you? that seems paranoid.

    Katz – of course we don’t. Catholic teaching is clear on this. Do you even know that?
    But your last sentence will come up at judgment. I’d repent if I were you and ask for a loving and understanding heart. Mt 25. Tonight. Please read.

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