User Profile: LestWeForget

LestWeForget

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  • October 20, 2014 at 3:50pm

    LCDR –
    ran out of room.
    final note;
    If you want to effectively prosletyze Catholics you have to learn what they actually believe first or else you won’t be taken seriously.

    Study the Catechism.
    Try reading the Early Church Fathers.
    Try reading Catholicism and Fundamentalism by Karl Keating.
    Countless other resources.
    Otherwise, you are spending time pulling them away from things that aren’t really there, that they don’t believe anyway. And you have nothing to offer them that they don’t have in its fullness in the Church.

    You need to inform yourself first exactly as to what Catholics believe, if you believe you are doing the work of the Holy Spirit.

  • October 20, 2014 at 3:47pm

    LCDR –
    This is going to have to be it for me. Too many hours and your heart is not open to hearing what the Lord has for me to tell you. I’m turning you over to the Holy Spirit in my prayers.
    1. Gates of hell. Remnant. If you want to hang your hat on an invisible remnant you can’t verify or trace rather than the one, holy, catholic and apostolic faith, then best of luck. I hope you pick the right remnant of the thousands that claim to hold the truth.

    2. Those would be Church fathers. Yes, read them. A little head start: http://www.catholic.com/tracts/peters-primacy

    3. You quote scripture well but it’s your interpretation that lacks truth. How did you type that and not see that you made my point? Despite their well-known hypocrisy, he points to their authoritative teaching. So, criticize Bishops all you want, they have authority. Sorry you got excited for nothing.

    4. We are all called to be saints. Persevere to the end, then, let’s.

    5. You are a stranger. It’s not for me to say whether the Holy Spirit dwells in you.

    6. Purgatory is scriptural. http://www.catholic.com/blog/tim-staples/is-purgatory-in-the-bible

    The Hail Mary is quoting scripture, which you know is alright. http://blessedjp2.com/totus-tuus/where-is-the-hail-mary-in-the-bible/

    Prayers for us from the saints? Rev 5:8, Rev 8:3-4, for a couple. Mary isn’t the mother of God? Luke 1:43 says otherwise.

  • October 20, 2014 at 10:51am

    LCDR –
    Again you skip what I write and I try to reply in order. This is unjust of you. Extremely tiring but I’m trying to show you good faith so that you will know what it looks like.

    1. It’s not a red herring. If you say the Church went wrong and Luther had to reinvent the wheel, then the gates of hell prevailed. If you can’t say when this happened, then it didn’t and the Church is still the one Jesus founded and Luther was without authority. You can’t say the Church is wrong and not be calling Jesus a liar.

    2. Aramaic. History is clear. You have to look at ancient history, not 500 year old or less protestant history. Read Early Church fathers.

    3. Christ quoted scripture and interpreted it correctly. He also said listen to the Pharisees just don’t do what they do. He pointed out the seat of Moses. Just as we have the Chair of Peter. Authority. Jesus had authority as God. His Apostles received authority from God. That’s how they could interpret the Old Testament correctly.

    4. You’ll see I never rejected the term saints for the living. I only teased you because you don’t like the idea of Catholic saints in heaven.

    5. I don’t reject that. The Holy Spirit is not constrained.

    6. Amen to quoted scripture. Catholics affirm it all.

    7. Should you judge my soul and the state of my salvation? Catholics believe Jesus is the judge.

  • October 20, 2014 at 10:43am

    LCDR-
    Do you see what you did yet again?
    How can you converse that way?
    If your daughter talks to people that way, it would be no wonder people avoid her because she wouldn’t be actively listening or engaging in a give and take good faith conversation.

    Can you address things earlier in my reply before moving onto your next point?

    Where is scripture does it say we will answer the question “Why should you be allowed into heaven?”

  • October 20, 2014 at 10:38am

    @Entrix,
    Yes, intercession. The mother asked Paul VI to pray to Jesus for her and her baby. The miracle is God’s but the intercession is attributed to Paul VI.

    here are two defenses to read if you wish to understand further:

    http://www.catholic.com/tracts/praying-to-the-saints
    and
    http://www.catholic.com/tracts/the-intercession-of-the-saints

  • [2] October 20, 2014 at 9:49am

    LCDR-
    Some articles on paganism claims, as I can see how that concerns you. Just two so as not to overwhelm you. If you have specific pagan practices in mind, use the search feature on that website. It has probably been addressed before. Good luck.

    http://www.catholic.com/blog/jon-sorensen/the-early-church-fathers-and-paganism
    http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/paganism-prophecies-and-propaganda

  • [1] October 20, 2014 at 9:41am

    LCDR-
    Thank you for the questions. I’ll post and answer.
    “Gita and Lest, do you receive the Holy Spirit when you are saved as a Catholic?”
    A: Yes. At Baptism and again at Confirmation.

    “How are you saved as a Catholic?”
    A: By God’s Grace.

    “Do you read your Bible?”
    A: Every day. Also, we cover nearly the entire Bible at Mass in 3 years.

    “Do you study your Bible?”
    A: Yes of course.

    “As far as the Catholic Bible goes. Does it contain the Book of Revelation?”
    A: Yes

    “Weren’t there many books that were not considered to be part of the original message, a perversion of the truth when the books of the Bible were first assembled?”
    A: Depends on what you mean by “First assembled” but at the councils of Hippo and Carthage lists were produced by the Bishops that had all 73 books of the Catholic Bible in it. A quick example is St. Jerome doubted certain books but deferred to the Pope’s authority and translated them into the common language anyway in the early 5th Century. Though St. Jerome was a Bishop, he noted the primacy of the Bishop who resided in Rome.

    “I am not saying Catholics do not have the Spirit or are not saved but I question the paganism in Catholicism and it’s claim to be the only church. Don’t you think God can handle it on his own. He did create the universe.”
    A: In a word: History. It’s anti-pagan and it’s apostolic. Eastern Orthodox are also.They have valid sacraments. To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant – frmr Anglican minister JHC Newman.

  • [1] October 20, 2014 at 9:28am

    Mom,
    you said: “We must stay true to the gospel of Christ because Satan will do anything to be worshipped as God and from the moment he could he used men to pervert the Good news. So Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith. Do not add to it or subtract from it.”

    But you are using a Bible that was altered and subtracted from.
    You subtracted the necessity of the Eucharist, as well.
    You added the idea that the Bible alone is the faith. That’s a man-made idea not found in Scripture.
    You make yourself infallible interpreter, against scripture’s teaching that you can’t do that.
    the list goes on.

    I don’t doubt you love God, I just don’t know how you have these rules against adding or subtracting, and the “finisher of faith” that you don’t yourself follow.

  • October 20, 2014 at 9:22am

    Mom,
    I take offense that you say Catholics don’t write about Jesus, yes. Your refusal to admit you are wrong is your pride. Not my sin.

    The Holy Spirit indwelling in a person helps them to avoid sin and repent when they have hurt someone.

    Consider this fraternal correction.

  • October 20, 2014 at 9:19am

    LCDR-
    Your conditions for a cult are irrelevant.
    Catholics believe neither and fought against such heresies successfully.

  • October 20, 2014 at 9:17am

    Mom,
    Thank you for all those questions. By some of them I see you have been told some whoppers. It is good to ask these questions and even better to seek the answers. I do warn you that exploring the answers leads many to conversion. They find they’d been sold a pack of lies, and discover the gifts Jesus bestows on His Holy Church, especially the Eucharist. If you genuinely interested in learning the Catholic answers to such questions, I have several resources for you.

    Catholicism and Fundamentalism, by Karl Keating
    Catholic.com (start here)
    Catechism of the Catholic Church (online)
    The Protestant’s Dilemma – Devin Rose
    Surprised by Truth (1 and 2) – Patrick Madrid
    Rome Sweet Home – Scott Hahn

    God bless.

  • [-2] October 20, 2014 at 8:42am

    LCDR –
    Where in Scripture does it interpret itself that way? Scripture says it is hard to interpret 2 Pet 3:16, 2 Pet 1:20-21., Acts 8:31, Heb 5:12. There’s more.

    Where in Scripture does it say God will one day use a disgruntled priest named Luther to violate his sacred vows and bring about the true faith?

    Where does it say the gates of hell would prevail, but not to worry because in 1520-something a sinful, troubled man would be more successful than Jesus, establishing a true Church because Jesus got it wrong and the Holy Spirit couldn’t guide it into all truth as God promised. And that that true Church would look like 30,000 different “denominations” and disunified preachers?

    What year did the gates of hell prevail? (5th time to ask?)

  • October 20, 2014 at 8:30am

    LCDR
    Do you realize you took my concluding sentence and started a new topic. How can people have good faith conversations like that?

    I try to answer you in order of what you typed. It is basic respect to do the same.

    Saint Pacian put it best in the 300s, saying Christian is my name, Catholic is my surname. I will let Pacian explain. http://iwka.wordpress.com/2010/08/13/christian-is-my-name-but-catholic-my-surname/

    You didn’t answer whether you now understand how to properly interpret 2 Tim 3:16.
    As your own interpreter of scripture (which it is un-scriptural to be), do you not think you follow mere men…I mean, a mere man…yourself?

    What Paul is saying in the next passage you quote about Apollos and himself is, in part, that the Church is not about the cult of personality of the preacher, each man going in disparate directions, but the Church is the faith founded on Jesus.

    What has happened is division. It’s not of God. Some chose to leave the foundation where they received meat, to drink milk. Avoid those who cause schism Rom 16:17. Let there be NO divisions among you 1 Cor 1:10.

    Faith is not meant to be practiced alone. Jesus left a shepherd for a flock. Where do you get the me, Jesus and my Bible idea?

    If the division in Christianity were of God then it would mean the Church Christ founded went wrong. When did the gates of hell prevail against her?

    Do you know any Catholics? Find some knowledgeable ones who can tell you about life in the sheepfold.

  • [2] October 20, 2014 at 12:10am

    LCDR,
    The description of the place sounds right but the language is wrong.
    Cephas is Rock in Aramaic.

    The Greek author couldn’t really translate that into a female name – petra.

    Peter was asked three times to feed Jesus’ sheep. Sounds like a shepherd.
    Peter was given the keys to the Kingdom. Sounds like a Steward (do you know your OT?)
    Peter was given authority to loose and bind doctrine that even heaven would hold to. Sounds pebbly.

    Peter was praised highly in his Aramaic name.
    then given a strong Aramaic name
    then given great power.

    You want to swap the middle with an insult. Did our Lord speak that way? Does that even fit any Biblical renaming pattern? When God renamed Abram, was he blessed or mocked? When God renamed Jacob, was he blessed or belittled?

  • [2] October 20, 2014 at 12:02am

    LCDR,
    discussing Luther and Revelation is awkward since he held it as uninspired.

    He said of it:
    “I say what I feel. I miss more than one thing in this book, and it makes me consider it to be neither apostolic nor prophetic. …I can in no way detect that the Holy Spirit produced it. …And there are many far better books available for us to keep. …Finally, let everyone think of it as his own spirit leads him. My spirit cannot accommodate itself to this book.”

    From his introduction to Revelation. See how he decides for himself which books to think inspired and not, and advises each man for himself to do the same? Let’s rid ourselves of Matthew and Philippians. Let’s allow our spirit to lead us wherever, since of course, the spirit is going to lead us all to different truths. Right?

    No. Only an evil spirit does that. The Holy Spirit doesn’t do that.

    This is what, in 2 Tim 3 (which I know you know) Paul warns about. Verses 1 – 9. lovers of selves, unholy, without natural affection, false accusers, despisers of those that are good, traitors, high-minded lovers of pleasures, who turn away from godliness, who creep into houses (or convents) and lead captive silly women, ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of truth.

    How to avoid the false doctrines of such men? St. Paul tells us! In the passing on of authorized teaching – Apostolic succession. The Church, the pillar and bulwark of Truth.

  • [2] October 19, 2014 at 11:44pm

    LCDR -
    1. I asked why the canonization process for sainthood had to be in scripture, and to provide a verse. You gave 2 Tim 3:16-17. Why?

    You keep trying that, and I keep telling you to read two verses prior because that reveals the true meaning of what Paul is commanding Timothy. He is passing on Apostolic teaching, saying to look to the authority of the one who taught you. This is because he was commissioned by Jesus; is an Apostle teaching a Bishop how to be a Bishop. This continues in the Catholic Church directly from that time.

    In your mind you must be moving that word “All” that starts verse 16. If you mangle the text it could mean scripture is ALL you need to do ALL these actions. But, it doesn’t say that.

    It says All scripture is inspired and helpful for these actions….(paraphrase)

    Then you must ask, what Scripture is Paul referring to at the time. We now apply it forward to the entire Catholic canon of the NT but you have to look at what meant “scripture,” also, in its own time.

    You didn’t readdress 2 and 3, so either you will not make the same errors again or you don’t want to talk about them. Okay.

    You have a desire to tell people of Jesus. It’s good. very good. I just don’t know why you exert yourself against Catholics who know Him, are saved by Him, and who consume him, body, blood, soul and divinity. You can’t get any more intimate with Jesus than a confirmed Catholic practicing his or her faith devotedly.

  • [1] October 19, 2014 at 11:05pm

    Mom,
    So what you’re saying is you won’t take back the insinuation that Catholics “hardly ever” if not “never” use the name of Jesus? It’s like nailing pasta to the wall to get you to see how offensive and inaccurate that was. You proved my point and moved on.

    Why would someone tell you to consult Catholic doctrine to learn about catholic doctrine?

    Really?

    If I wanted to know about your family would I ask you or the neighbor who can’t stand your family and thinks your children vandalized their cars even though they didn’t?

    Make sense?

  • [2] October 19, 2014 at 10:59pm

    LCDR
    Catholics believe and teach all of scripture; all 73 books. When you quote scripture to us we say Amen. Are you looking for something more?

    Why do you comment on Catholic-specific articles?

    And again I ask, when did the gates if hell prevail against the Church? What year?

  • [3] October 19, 2014 at 7:47pm

    Mom,
    You posted, more or less: Catholics never mention Jesus.
    I replied: Read the full text. Of course they do.

    Evidence was given proving your statement wrong.

    After some time, I posted again asking if you will respond acknowledging that your statement was in error.

    Then, you do give this recent comment but it is not quite a reply, for it doesn’t address the topic at hand. It says nothing about how you accused the Catholic Church falsely, or about being wrong to jump to conclusions without facts.

    Rather you start a new topic thrusting new criticisms, before cleaning up the mess of your first one.

    Here I could address the new criticisms, but I don’t see how you have demonstrated, yet, good faith in a conversation since you refuse to admit when you were wrong on prior assertions, so what is the point? I have reason to suspect you’d just move on to the next criticism rather than be open to learning and understanding.

    I do thank you for the comment, but can you see why it is like talking to a piece of paper, not a living being, if you don’t respond to things we were supposed to be talking about, but move on to the next topic as if you had never erred?

    In sincerity I say this:
    God bless

  • [4] October 19, 2014 at 5:31pm

    Gita, I did pray for him at Mass and have continued throughout the day. I even asked for the intercession of Our Blessed Mother. We know it’s in God’s hands, sister in Christ!

    God bless, good and faithful servant!

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