The use of lethal force in self-defense requires that the person NOT be the initial aggressor; that the attacker have the ability and opportunity to cause death or great bodily harm to the defender; and that the jeopardy actually exist. Initial aggressor: Bikers threaten driver; tries to stop his vehicle. Check. Ability: Disparity of force is obvious by the number of bikers (“the mob”) which have stopped, so ability exists. Check. Opportunity: Driver has stopped. Check. Jeopardy: The mob closes in. Check.
Self-defense use of lethal force seems obvious to me. All the rest of this talk about what happened before the video began means nothing. Even if a member of that mob did NOT confront the driver, the Warren Doctrine says that as an intentional member of the mob, he was one of the things that caused the fear and caused the reasonable response, and for causing that reasonable fear, now shares the general jeopardy that accrues to the criminal of their unlawful assault that triggered the lawful defense.
He should therefore go from his hospital bed to the cage for his crime.
July 4, 2013 at 1:24am
Don’t insult Hitler like that.
January 8, 2013 at 11:32pm
When asked SEVERAL times why anyone should own an AR-15, the proper response is, “they shouldn’t. They should have select-fire M-4′s and M-16′s, or whatever weapons the military and law enforcement get.” When the 2nd amendment was written, it was meant to give the people fire SUPERIORITY over the government so that the government would fear the people – not the people in fear of the government. One thing I definitely took away from this dialogue, though: Piers said he’s okay with people having pistols for both home defense and personal defense. I find that ironic, since in 2011, FBI’s UCR states 323 out of 12,664 murders in the US were by “rifle” (2.6%). 6,220 were by PISTOL (49.1%). In other words, for every assault rifle killing, there’s *19* pistol killings! http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8
Just proves they only want to keep us from being able to stop their tyrannical government.
And most of the 12,000+
were black gang or dope dealers
To that, Morgan replied, “I believe the rights of a 6 or 7-year-old child to go to school without the fear of being murdered” are more important than other rights.
Unfortunately, Piers, you actually don't have that right. That means that someone would be obligated by law to protect you at all times, and it simply isn't so. SCOTUS already ruled police have no obligation to protect you. You DO have the right to protect yourself and your family, self defense starts and ends with you. You don't have the the right to be kept safe, you do have the right to defend yourself.
we know Morgan, democrats, and the MSM do not care about making America safe, lowering murder rates, or preserving the lives of children (check their stance on abortion).
If thy wanted to talk murder, and lowering it, then they would put the facts on the table, but they hate facts, and in reality they just want to grab guns.
Facts take away their blood thirst for wanting out rifles.
When you lay out that in 2011, there (according to the FBI) were more murders committed with clubs, knife, and by hand than all rifles combined, they squirm and get uncomfortable.
If you want to really see a lib squirm, then tell them that blacks make up 12% of the population, but do half of the nation’s murders per year. If we could lower black murder rates to the same as white murder rates, then we would drop the nation’s murder rate by almost 40%, and save a whole lot of black lives. Libs hate fact like this.
Let a lib know that close to 70% of our gun violence is related to gang activity, then ask if we should not worry less about rifles, and more about gangs, and they will shut up.
Ask a lib if they realize our violent crime is intrinsically tied to our welfare population, and they will really get miffed.
In a short while, libs will do what a lib always does when presented with cold hard facts and statistics, they will start reverting to the rules
Baby steps folks...First the scarey guns then the rest...
The gun nuts are out in force, cowards, like this foolish marine, living in fear of imaginary Hitlers. How many more tiny caskets would this marine like to see filled. How many body bags is his "right" worth? Unless he is currently in a well regulate militia he has no right to bare arms.
Hitler was not imaginarily, he was real, and after disarming the civilian population, he killed six million of his own people. Mao was also real, also socialist, also sold his people on the value of redistribution of wealth. He killed 60 million of his un-armed citizens. Stalin another real person, also an avid gun control person like you, and he murdered 12 million
You will be proud to know, that I am currently training my neighbors, and we are well regulated. I have them calling wind very well, ranging with a reticule, and they are now hitting targets out to 600 yards. Their proficiency at coming out of the holster, engaging targets in shoot and no-shoot scenarios is really coming on. The mag changes still need some work, but they are improving. We should be holding our third IDPA style neighborhood pistol match in the next month, and our 3-gun stuff will kick in in the spring.
Remember though, we know you are not serious about lowering murder rates, but are only just interested in disarming the population. If you were interested in murder rates, then you would be talking about the fact that blacks make up 12% of the pop and do 1/2 the murders. You would also be talking about relationship between murder and welfare recipients.
If we can lower that black murder rate to the same as whites, we drop the national murder rate by almost 40% and save lots of black lives.
ENCINOM - Are you interested in saving black lives?
Speaking of" imaginary", you do realize that murder via rifle being a national problem is imaginary also?
According to the FBI, more folks were killed in the US last year than all types of rifles
More folks were killed with clubs and hammers
More folks were killed with hands and feet.
You are are what COL Jeff Cooper used to refer to as a hoplophobe
Hoplophobia is a pejorative neologism originally coined to describe an "irrational aversion to weapons, as opposed to justified apprehension about those who may wield them."It is sometimes used more generally to describe the "fear of weapons" or the "highly salient danger of these weapons” or the "fear of armed citizens”
ooops, little typo in my above comment
should have read
"According to the FBI, more folks were killed in the US WITH KINVES last year than all types of rifles"
Leave it to a progressive to start the name calling when they can't deal with the facts! If you don't want more tiny coffins filled let us have the rights afforded by the constitution. Remember, that school was a "gun free zone" and the freak still got in with a gun and killed 20 children! He was not a law abiding citizen, and it doesn't matter what type of gun he used. The simple fact remains. He did not care about anything or anyone. He just knew that he would not have been confronted with someone who was armed until long after he had a chance to murder a bunch of innocent people. so stop your name calling and grow up!
Encompoop, there ARE Hitlers out there.
at Federal, State, and Local levels...
That you choose not to see them is fine.
You will whine to the government to protect you after the fact, which is also your choice.
Curiously, with your attitude... as if any who oppose your opinion are gun nuts, i suspect you casually annoy those around you on a daily basis... including the little Hitlers in your orbit. Who do you think they will unconsciously go after first when given free reign by a successful attack on firearm ownership? It certainly won't be the former owners of firearms... with or without we can and will stand up and defend ourselves. You sheeple, though... espcially the annoying sheeple... they'll be first on the neighborhood spit, and that's before the government gets around to ruling against you on something you like to do... reality TV? shopping? trans fats? driving where you want, when you want?
don't own a firearm... I'm pleased you don't, to be honest, relieved for your neighbors. But stop labeling those of us who do own, or merely support the right to own firearms. Don't blame the tool, lest you become one.
I'm a little confused lordbritish by your apparent confusion with the statistics. First of all it would be nice to know if all these killings, you state, were murders, suicides, accidents or defence killings or all the above. Typically, I have not seen a comprehensive statistic that incorporates all the different type of killings and weapons.
In any case, we will never see from any American media a truthful unscewed report regarding gun deaths.
Again Peirs pushes the AR-15 argument (Probably thinks AR stands for Assult Rifle) when in fact if AR type semi automatic firearms wether it be rifle or handgun are banned it would also ban all semi auto firearms. Then if I assume that isn't his intent is legislation going to be written to target specific firearms (by name and manufacture) since there is no such thing as an assult weapon. A nut could have a couple of level action rifles like the Marlin 336, Marlin 1894c, Winchester 94, fitted with forearm ammo cuffs, add in a couple of hand guns and get the same results as a AR-15. Slippery slope mister Morgan this is why there is so much passion is protecting a right to own firearms, not weapons.
oh look, the hit and run encinom is out of its cage again...get back in there with your non-sense! Molon Labe beast!
Planned since 2006:
Piers is okay with Pistols b/c pistol permits are very tough to get in almost every state, local government have control over the pistol permits and local government can be VERY tough. In some Towns it comes down to who is "connected". I live in such a place.
November 28, 2012 at 1:37am
I’m proud of him for essentially walking away from a career in acting for the sake of the truth. He’s got about as much of a chance of getting a role in Hollywood as Glenn Beck joining Michael Savage for a prime time bit on MSNBS. When does it profit a man….
November 28, 2012 at 1:24am
No chimps were harmed in the making of this artistic exhibition.