Except the Pope is in actual fact a communist plant.
 May 7, 2015 at 5:50pm
(cont from above…)
I HAVE also read the Koran and Hadith. They do contain commands to kill those who insult Mohammad, reject converting to Islam, and any number of other offenses. They do not contain a “Get Out of Beheading Free” card. Thus, I am forced to conclude that the onager cleric is accurately reflecting his system of theology (or as I prefer to call it, insanity).
I will concede the point that any one individual may have a flawed interpretation of their sacred texts. However, when one compares the bodies of theological writings of Christianity and Islam theologians throughout history, it is fair to compare the two systems of belief. Christianity does not teach violence against those who do not hold Christian beliefs. Islam does teach violence against those who do not hold Islamic beliefs. Thus, my original point still stands. I don’t want any nut job who is required by his theology to kill all who disagree with his god to be in charge of the local public toilet, let alone deciding who should live and who should die.
 May 7, 2015 at 5:41pm
I am going to set aside my own advice about never having a battle of wits with an unarmed individual for a second here and respond. You say that you were raised Catholic (I’m assuming Roman Catholic), then surely you were taught what the Church has taught since the time of the apostles. While I am Lutheran, I still have respect for much of the teachings of the Church Fathers. I would challenge you to find a single quote where the Apostles, Church Fathers, Luther, Calvin (OK, leaving Geneva out of the conversation for a second), or the host of other Christian theologians have said that it is OK to kill someone because they will not repent. Please note that I am leaving out the BBQs of the Inquisition and the Salem Witch Trials, they don’t exactly fit into the teachings of Scripture. I can say that I HAVE read Holy Scripture and do have a pretty good grasp of what it says. Nowhere in Scripture is there a command for a Christian to kill a heathen because the draw a picture of Christ, put a cross in urine, etc….. (and before you throw Leviticus at me, please, please tell me that one of the nuns taught you the difference between the ceremonial law and moral law in the Old Testament). I can say with 100% certainty that the pastor you quote from AZ doesn’t get it when discussing the basics of the Christian teachings of sin, repentance, and justification….(cont.)
 May 7, 2015 at 9:28am
I am amazed we have to have this conversation again, but here we go. The difference is simple. The “Christian” clerics you quote have a flawed understanding of their sacred text and theology which is correctly condemned by the majority of the Christian community. The Muslim cleric we are discussing here does have a correct understanding of his sacred text and theology. I don’t know about you, but I don’t want any nut job who is correctly quoting his god about killing those who disagree with the god in charge of the local public toilet, let alone deciding who should live and who should die.
 April 22, 2015 at 2:02pm
I would like to thank to the Teleprompter of the United States, the Pickled Speaker of the House, the Chief Mental Midget of the Supreme Court and all of their helpful minions for establishing the precedent that Constitution is not the “Law of the Land” but rather is instead just a set of “Helpful Suggestions.” They have paved the way to invite them all to explore other employment opportunities by means of a peaceful revolution and set aside the Constitution’s age requirements so that we can place this child in charge. He obviously know more about the job at hand and has more common sense than anybody holding political office in Washington DC.
April 17, 2015 at 12:39pm
Can I interest you in a slightly used bridge in Brooklyn or some nice ocean-front property in Nebraska? The militant LBGTQRSTUVQXYZ community and their cheerleaders in the DemoKrat party are not concerned about little things like legal protections for the free exercise of religion by pastors. They will find legal and/or illegal arguments to use against pastor who stand on their religious freedom rights until they are either forced from the public sphere of debate or fold to the iron will of “tolerance” and accept this garbage being forced down their throats. And before you reject that argument, remember there is sill a large part of the nation which considers abortion to be murder and objects to using tax dollars to fund it, a large part of the nation which thinks perjury should be punished by something other than a presidential retirement plan, and a large part of the country who thinks that freedom of association for a business owner means that he can choose whether or not to provide services to a given individual.
 April 15, 2015 at 5:03pm
I have to respectfully disagree. Chamberlain realized his mistake when Germany invaded Poland in 1939. The current mental midget wasting oxygen in the Oval Office is too much of a self-centered ideologue to ever admit his is wrong.
 March 26, 2015 at 5:51pm
Joseph Smith couldn’t keep the story straight…I would argue with you but I would rather hear how you would answer Donnal and Conall……. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTwpOfr3NDQ
If you don’t want to discuss with Donnal and Conall, how do you respond to the writer of Hebrews when he said “Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.” (Hebrews 1:1-2, ESV)?
@Mad Engineer - Your arguments are Donnal and Conall? It is hard to take you seriously, but I shall make an honest attempt to answer your Hebrews 1:1-2 query.
Christ was on the Earth, what need of prophets at this point in time when He Himself was There. It wasn't until the Great Apostasy leading to the "Dark Ages" that prophets were once again necessary to help bring people back to the truth (Amos 3:7).
So what part of "The gates of hell shall not prevail against it." (referring to his Church), fits in with the whole "Great Apostasy" thing. This doctrine of the Great Apostasy calls Jesus Christ a liar, and you want me to follow your religion based on that?
@Freunlaven - Your interpretation can be and has been called into question many times. My beliefs are quite different than yours. The "rock" on which Christ will build his foundation was not Peter but revelation, "...because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven."
In that context, hell indeed has not prevailed, for direct revelation given to prophets guides my faith today. I also receive personal revelation from on high that guides me in my daily life.
I don't expect you to join my religion, or accept my beliefs. There is a great chance that you will reject this interpretation straight out and never give it a second thought. Bottom line, it behooves each of us to study the Gospel with an open heart and with true faith believing that our Lord will make the truth manifest unto us.
If you truly wish to know, here is a great talk given by one of the twelve apostles that touches on our beliefs of the apostasy and the need of a restoration:
Half-Truths – if Jesus built his Church on revelation as you say, then what on earth was the point of making sure that everyone knew that Simon’s name was changed to Peter (Kephas = rock)? Jesus was making sure that everyone knew the foundation of the church would be built on Peter when he was given the keys to the kingdom. Look at Isaiah chapter 22. Notice how the keys were taken from one person and given to another who was put in a position of authority. The Keys symbolize an office of authority. This is what Jesus was referring to when he tells Peter his is the ROCK and on this Rock he will build his church.
@half Why don't you just admit you believe a man (one of God's creatures) over Jesus the third person of the Trinity? Oh that's right you don't believe in the Trinity either because a man says so.
@Freunlaven – your response, sadly, was what I expected. I doubt you even read the link I provided explaining some of my beliefs. As I stated, your interpretation has been called into question, and is one that I do not align myself with. Good luck and God Bless!
@Gita – I know your arguments, and you are correct, I do not follow your definition of the Trinity as found in the Nicene Creed. I believe in the Godhead as outlined by my Savior, Jesus Christ. The Prophet Joseph Smith outlined it quite simply in our First Article of Faith:
“We believe in God the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.”
Three distinct personages, one in purpose.
You can attack me, attempt to denigrate me, consistently shout me down all you like; you cannot change the testimony that has been written on my heart by the Holy Spirit. I do not agree with all the teachings of the Catholic Church, although I am grateful to those faithful souls who diligently worked to keep the Holy Bible alive through the years. It was their efforts, along with many others, that allowed a young boy with questions beyond his years to find his path. It is also a beautiful promise to all of us today:
“5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
“6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.”
Half-Truth - I watched the video. There is plenty of actual historical reference of what the immediate followers of the Apostles taught and handed on (that expound upon the teachings of the bible. I will stick with the revealed knowledge as handed down by the Church that Jesus Christ himself started. All of the Apostles were willing to die for the beliefs handed on by Christ. Countless martyrs were willing to die over the course of 2000 years for the same beliefs I now hold. How many were willing to die for Joseph Smith's version? I know there is some truths that are found in your church, as there always are some, but I am so sorry that so many people are being taught so much that is contrary to what Jesus taught. I pray constantly for God's truth to prevail, and it will in his time. I can give you an excellent reference for the differences between the Catholic point of view and this one that you posted. It is longer than the one you shared with me, but the gentleman is very cordial and very factual. He is very scriptural as well.
There are two videos and each is about an hour long.
@half "The Prophet Joseph Smith outlined it quite simply in our First Article of Faith:" I rest my case. You believe the creature over the creator. You are in my prayers.
@half truth you never answered my question . Where was the garden of eden located ?
@Freunlaven - I always appreciate civil discourse, and am always interested in learning as much as I can. I have not yet had time to listen to your youtube posting, but will get to it as time permits.
I have never argued that remnants of Christ's church have not continued since the time of the original Apostles. I have often lauded the efforts of those early Christians for their efforts in following Christ's teachings from that time. If not for them, we would not have the Holy Bible today. My beliefs see a need of a restoration of Christ's church, as we believe Christ's authority was lost with the death of the Apostles. I am aware of Catholic's assertion that there is an unbroken line of authority through the Popes. While not a theological scholar in any sense of the word, I have studied many different religions throughout my life. My faith comes through honest study and prayer, not blind acceptance.
In regards to martyrs - the persecution of the early Latter Day Saints is a matter of record. The early Saints were driven from their homes time and again for their beliefs; many of whom lost their lives. Here is information regarding an executive order in the state of Missouri that was not rescinded until 1976:
Dying for one's beliefs is a common theme throughout history.
@Gita - while I applaud your fervor, your debating skills leave much to be desired.
@george-harrison - as I have stated far too many times - the answers have been supplied over and over. If you truly had interest in the truth, you would have already searched them out. I cannot be bothered answering what has already been answered countless times by minds greater than my own.
You can continue to spew your ignorance, and I shall continue to call you out on it.
March 17, 2015 at 5:07pm
I suppose domestic violations of election law (i.e. IRS delays and witch hunts in conservative group 501c3 applications, encouraging Mississippi voters to break the law by voting a Demokat and Repukican election in the same year, dead people voting, being mayor of Tulsa and voting in Oklahoma AND Florida, etc.) are not enough for you? You now need to violate both US and Israeli law to support your delusions…ur, sorry…political points of view?
 March 5, 2015 at 4:23pm
I hope this man’s daughter is doing well.
Dad’s form appears a little off….probably the stress…..
Can we all get together to get this man a 12ga. home defense tool of his choice, a used cargo container, and about 30 minutes alone with the “alleged” low-life, worthless waste of air?
You forgot to add “while standing on the shore of the Potomac River”.
 February 26, 2015 at 5:56pm
Voting for a RINO vs. a communist (aka Democrat) is like asking if would prefer death by hanging or death by firing squad. I did vote for Romney because I thought that was the only way to prevent this madness with Obozo, but I will never vote for a RINO again. The Republican Party is the Whig Party of the 21st century. It is time to vote with our feet.
 February 24, 2015 at 6:13pm
Three simple facts to remember here…..
1. Republican = Whig
2. Boehner = old Cherokee word for “orange skinned lying sack of s$%& who cries too much”
3. McConnell = old Cherokee word for “pale face lying sack of s$*% who speaks with forked tongue”
 February 18, 2015 at 1:17pm
We had a saying in college that if we flunked out of engineering, the College of Business would always take us. We never asked where the business dropouts went, but I now think that they got political science degrees and went to work for the State Department…..give ISIS a job…..ugh…..
 February 11, 2015 at 6:12pm
Thank God I wasn’t eating when I read this….it really should come with a parental warning…..
 February 9, 2015 at 1:15pm
Do you prefer death by firing squad or death by hanging? That is the same choice we will be faced with if we have to choose between a democrat or RINO for president in 2016?
 January 27, 2015 at 1:23pm
Nobody can be naturally as ignorant of facts and history nor able to put together a coherent thought as you appear to be. Did your mom drop you on your head too much as a child or is the LSD you did back last week causing you to trip again? Fact — Lois Learner refused to testify to Congress because she might incriminate herself. Fact — the only 501c3 applicants who were harassed expressed political views contrary to the Communist (aka Democrat) Party. Fact — it has been established that the IRS did not follow typical procedure with these applications and they were sent up to high level officials in Washington. Fact — the executive branch of government is refusing to answer legally issued subpoenas from Congress for evidence (and may have illegally destroyed hard drives containing such evidence, but I cannot say that is a fact but rather a deduction). I realize that these are hard things to accept, but unlike you, facts do not care about a persons politics.