Forgot to add. I’d like to see a change of venue. Get Mosby & the politics out of it. Give those cops a fair trial, not a lynch mob, & let a fair jury decide.
 May 4, 2015 at 9:53pm
I have a problem with the charges, over the line in my view. That being said, someone is guilty of something. After all, a man was injured & died while in police custody. That’s a crime. I suspect that if Gray was a productive member of society instead of a street punk, the reaction here would be different.
Forgot to add. I'd like to see a change of venue. Get Mosby & the politics out of it. Give those cops a fair trial, not a lynch mob, & let a fair jury decide.
Whoever did not fasten the seatbelt is guilty of negligence. It is going to come down to everyone saying that was not my job. There will be a clear policy that was written that defined who's job that was and that person will hang. Then the transport officers will be guilty of failing to provide first aid and or medical services. So my best educated guess is at least 3 will be found guilty regardless of what the facts are.
Why does it have it be a crime, Max?
Is it not possible, as the other prisoner in the van with him testified originally, that he intentionally tried to hurt himself?
If that's what actually happened, and if that is a crime, then the criminal killed himself.
 May 4, 2015 at 9:46pm
Why is it that people with a conflict of interest, get to be the final arbiter of, if they have a conflict of interest or not?
SCOTUS case “gay marriage.” comes to mind also.
 May 4, 2015 at 7:59pm
@ Fatheroftwo, She will have all the questions in advance, and have plenty of notes, or have communication with someone to coach her answers. These “hearings” all work the same way. They make it easy on the witness if they are a current or former elected official. Remember they are all “my good friend” this & the “honorable” that. It’s all one big club.
 May 4, 2015 at 7:43pm
I should add. My above comment pertains to the law in Pennsylvania.
 May 4, 2015 at 7:39pm
@ listeningin VT, Yes. A fireman on an emergency call has the same authority as any cop.
Actually, any emergency vehicle whether it be police, fire, EMS or any other, that is following behind another emergency vehicle must be even more cautious that the first vehicle. Often people will hear the siren & see the lights of the 1st and (maybe) pull over. These people may then pull right back into traffic when the vehicle passes, only to be hit my the next. When following anther emergency vehicle the 2nd drive must be sure they are seen a heard with changes in siren sound, air horns or lane placement, including moving slower.
 May 4, 2015 at 7:38pm
@ robertusa123, yes. My dad was a fireman for 48 years, & had a portable light and siren in his personal vehicle. That cop had no authority to pull him over at all. The fireman (even a volunteer fireman) has the same authority as the cop in that situation, & has no obligation to stop for any cop. At the scene, the fire chief could have ordered the cop off the scene, or even had him arrested. Firemen do not take kindly to cops acting like this one. There will be some payback.
I should add. My above comment pertains to the law in Pennsylvania.
May 4, 2015 at 12:09pm
Yep, I picked up on that as well. They certainly didn’t want that to get out. This is not a good thing. But hey, it’s “for our safety.” Right?
May 4, 2015 at 11:48am
@ yougottabekidding, Cops aren’t on the front line of terror. That’s the military’s job. BTW, many of our guys are over there operating with a just a t shirt & plate carriers. Police are far from unprotected. Most if not all, wear vests under their shirts. I can live with that. A good cop cannot work covered head to toe in armor. It’s hot, heavy, cumbersome, & in the way. In a riot situation, or other high risk event, OK you need more, everyday, not so much. Cops do not need, & should not have military vehicles, weapon systems, hi tech toys, UAV’s & other military grade systems. If these things are necessary, it’s time to call in the National Guard. LE’s job is to protect & serve, catch druggies etc, patrol, write tickets, & most dangerous of all, handle domestics. You don’t need a MRAP to give grandma a speeding ticket.
May 4, 2015 at 11:31am
@ katz, If it comes to that, & I agree it probably will, then it’ll be way too big for LE. The military will have to handle it. We are not doing the right thing by allowing the cops to up arm like this. LE is for civilian crime, not terrorism, & should be equipped to handle that only. You don’t need Bearcats, MRAPS, PDW’s, and all the military gear to write parking tickets, bust a dope dealer, or handle the occasional bank robbery. Cops today wear more gear than our guys in the sandbox. It’s really getting ridiculous. Those guys in Baltimore could hardly walk with all their stuff on.
May 4, 2015 at 11:17am
@ 68WhiskeyTwoZero, not at this level I don’t think. I’ve seen some fairly odd video lately from Ft. Lauderdale. Military has their own extensive on base training facilities for the most part. They’re not training for overseas, it’s for here. Coordinating with local LE etc. Maybe training foreign forces as well. This is not good.
May 4, 2015 at 11:09am
Yep. And every little police force doesn’t need a SWAT team either. Around here, they deploy SWAT for almost everything. Two days ago, they sent SWAT for an argument between two gay guys. No weapons involved. Sheesh. And what’s up with the Wallyworlds in the Jade Helm area? Weird, unexplained closings with police guarding the exits. Claiming to be closed for plumbing repairs, but no permits pulled? Why guard plumbers? Strange stuff going on.
 May 4, 2015 at 10:55am
I knew they’d get around to this. Next they’ll be mandating those stupid, cold LED lights, well I won’t because I’ve been stocking up for years. I don’t even use those little lights, I still use the big, non-environment friendly, old fashioned stuff. In your face CPSC & EPA.
After replacing our overhead lighting with LED and watching my electric bill drop significantly, I'll likely switch at least one string to LED at Christmas time. The cost savings is significant and if I can get the same amount of light (LEDs aren't as bad as they use to be with this respect), I'll definitely switch over.
Plus, LED will let me use even more lights than I already put up :-)
Phillips makes a superb led. I’ve replaced all the lights in my house with them and my electric bill was cut by 1/5. They work so good no one, even my wife noticed the change. My can-lights have a 10 year warranty and use about 1/5 of the power as old bulbs. They are instant on and they pay for themselves in a years and that gives me 9 years of savings.
I cannot deal with the florescent bulbs as they look fake.
May 3, 2015 at 12:25pm
You don’t have to do the autopsy to know what kind of various forces it takes for certain injuries to occur. If someone is held in close confinement, & can barely move, such as lying on a very narrow floor of the van, they can’t very well cause certain types of injuries. You may be able to bang your head on the floor, but that won’t cause 3 fractured CV’s and a crushed voice box.
 May 3, 2015 at 12:18pm
@ ben, agree, that makes three medical professionals who say that the injuries could not have happened in the van. Carson, Baden, & Wecht. The latter two are prominent forensic pathologists. Yet people still drone on about the stupid van. I heard someone last night on TV say it was clear that Gray was standing on his own & got into the van on his own accord. Total nonsense.
Also, the inside of those vans is extremely tight. They showed one on TV. There IS NO room to roll or flail around. There is just enough floorspace for the prisoner’s feet. Only a small person could even fit on the floor. I don’t think murder charges are appropriate, however the police ARE legally responsible for the safety of all persons in their custody. Even if Gray did hurt himself, the cops are still responsible.
 May 3, 2015 at 11:39am
Fishing, I can find nothing in your comment to disagree with, well said.
 May 2, 2015 at 12:32pm
@ jefferson, no video is available or needed. What I do have is the expert opinions of TWO of the leading forensic pathologists in the country, Drs. Michael Baden & Cyril Wecht. Both of whom have said that it is impossible for those injuries to have been self inflicted or caused by a “rough ride” in the van. If you have any better experts than mine, I’ll be happy to listen. I’m not sticking up for Gray or the rioters, but I have to go with the experts. But it really doesn’t matter who did what. Gray was injured while in police custody. That’s a fact. That is illegal any way you look at it. The police are responsible no matter how he was injured, intentionally or by accident, doesn’t matter. The fact remains he was indeed injured.
 May 2, 2015 at 11:56am
Sure you can. Ever hear of JFK?
 May 2, 2015 at 11:53am
Didn’t happen. Two leading forensic pathologists, Drs. Baden & Wecht say it was impossible for Gray to have sustained those injuries while in the van, either by a rough ride, or self inflicted.