Well lets put this into context then. Lets say that you are married and you and wife/ husband own a housing construction company. Being a Christian you believe that to have relations with anyone other then your spouse is a mortal sin. Now the government comes in and makes this crazy rule that before the finial handover you must christen the house by having relations with one or more of the future occupants. By doing this you damn your soul to hell for all eternity. This is how they feel about gay marriage. Having gay relations is a sin. If they indorse something that their faith tells them is a damnable offense, they are just as guilty of that sin.
But they are not forced to take part in the gay relationship or the gay wedding, they are receiving a payment for their services and if their services are not strictly religious then they cannot discriminate based on sexuality, period.
If a Christian gun owner sells a gun to a man who uses it to murder people, is that Christian participating in murder?
Really, it's like being a contractor and refusing to build a house for an unmarried couple. You may disagree with it but the government doesn't say it's illegal and really, doesn't affect you in any way at all.
'Is that Christian participating in murder?'
Was the Christian present at the murder...? NO...?
Just how are Christians who perform marriages, held on their (private) grounds...NOT directly involved, ALL aspects have to be present to some degree, who sets-up the cake, who sets-up the flowers, who sets-up the reception hall...does a photographer have to be present to capture the event...?!
So...which is it, you lie...or you're not too smart.
TheGrtDcptn - hand the keys over? Or is that too much participation for you/God?
Also, the business owners agreed to have the reception but not the ceremony. So by doing so, they are ok with hosting the celebration of a contract signing but not hosting the actual contract signing. Also, since they agreed to have the reception they may have set up the cake and flowers (I don't know, I wasn't there). Are they going to hell now?
Let's REALLY put this into context then. Let's say that you are married and you and wife/ husband own a Real Estate company.
Being a Christian, do you now have the right to refuse to sell a home or rent a property to a homosexual couple because you object to what you imagine they will be doing in the privacy of their bedroom?
Does being a Christian also give you the right to refuse employment to a homosexual because the money you pay them for their work will go to funding their 'lifestyle'?
It's not a house, it's not a murder, it's a wedding. To a Christian, all aspects of that ceremony are intertwined with our faith. It would be like the use baptismal pool being loned out to any pastor to baptise any Christian then being sued when they said no to nonChristians. Or when a Christian supply store owner refuses to sell Bibles when he learns they will be used for paper mache. There is a difference between a burger and a wedding cake. There is a difference between me providing you with flowers and me using my talent to decorate your event.
I have spent weeks with a lesbian. I trained her how to drive a truck. We got along great. I'm not going to her wedding. That's against my religious beliefs. I'll pass a message to her girlfriend "she's driving and will call you in 40 minutes.". But I'll in no way condone the lifestyle. I don't fear gays anymore than I fear someone having an affair. If I learned a man left his wife and is marrying his mistress, I'd not make a thing or attend that wedding either.
Non Christians just don't get it. This is a religious covenant. To us, this is a VERY big deal.
 June 25, 2015 at 9:10am
The Bible is a guide on how to best live life. So it is creditable in any subject that pertains to actions taken through out life. It then has value in every subject as a base guide on how to perceive said subject. References to the bible put into the presentation was then helpful context on her view of the subject. Failing someone for their view is not permissible, teacher failed. Simple.
But it's not a credible source for an anthropology class. Period.
People who live their lives by bronze age principles are not people that I want with any control over me or people that I want in any position of power. How you live your own life is up to you, but these people do not have the right to inflict their Biblical values on anyone else.
@Seancan'tread. This was a SOCIOLOGY class! Further, Anthropology is the study of humans, past and present. To understand the full sweep and complexity of cultures across all of human history, Again, the Bible would be relevant as the Bible has influenced human culture and describes people and places of historical import.
Many don't agree with that but regardless, the only references permitted in universities are peer reviewed academic journals that print research results from studies done by professionals in the field for other professionals to read. She wasn't to be failed for her ignorant beliefs but for not using proper academic references.
The bible is our guide. It is "Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth" "B I B L E". It is the word of God. It has so much wisdom and knowledge.
June 24, 2015 at 6:18pm
#1 the stats you reference do not include where in the US those homicides come from. They are primarily in gun restricted large cities.
#2 The reason that we haven’t had another country use a nuke is because we have them also…. same as with a gun they are going to be more hesitant to use one if they know they could be shot themselves. Then you have the crazy ppl who just don’t care AKA, Iran. You are not going to give a gun to someone who is proven to be mentally unstable.
#3 The element of surprise will have the advantage only for the first shot.The solution there is: multiple ppl with guns. He will get the first shot off and maybe a second. Having a trained CCL holder with a gun is going to shoot better then most. Now if they were open carrying, then he would probably just walked away. Spent an hour in there checking it out.
#4 READ THE WHOLE THING!!!!!! It makes sense if you don’t split it up. The people, to protect against a tyrannical government or out side invading force, must have the access to buy the same arms as the military, with no restrictions. There is no crazy clause.
 June 17, 2015 at 8:50am
If they want to make a religion that their “higher power” condones gay marriage, more power to them. Get married all ya want. The issue at hand is: will the government force me to believe something that is against my faith? We need to get the government out of the marriage business. ONLY issue civil unions, this way all are equal under the law, no one is forced to violate their faith, and marriage is defined by you and what you believe.
Atheists don’t believe in a higher power, why would they care about a religious concept like marriage? They above all groups should be pushing to separate this church concept form state.
How is the government forcing you to believe something you don't want to believe at issue here?
I agree with your entire first paragraph (I'm all for getting government out of the marriage business altogether) except that the government can never make you believe anything.
Marriage (to me as an atheist) symbolizes my commitment to my wife, to love her and care for her. I don't need a higher power for that.
I echo the sentiments of Libertarian and Who as well, but I also agree with the bulk of what you’re saying.
If religionists want to oppose gay marriage on religious grounds, their larger goal should be to get the government out of the marriage business, otherwise their religious objections will continue to be without merit.
Because marriage isn't a purely religious concept.
That notion is laughable.
No, the govt doesn't care what you think. Just follow the laws in the public sphere and youll be fine!
It doesn't matter where marriage came from or WHO marries. It does matter as to whether the marriage will be SANCTIFIED (made holy by God). MAN CANNOT DO THIS. In other words, if I believe in the Word of God and He tells me to let one man have one wife (woman) and vice versa, and that there is no such thing as a homosexual marriage in the Bible, is that wrong then, to refuse to marry 2 same-sex people? You are trying to force a round peg into a square hole - GOD WON'T SANCTION IT no matter what I say or do. Homosexuals can PRETEND all they want. SATAN WILL sanctify their marriage under SIN. Homosexuals are then, following Satan - NOT GOD.
I think the most important question is, JUDGEMENT DAY: WILL YOU BE THERE OR NOT? Judgement Day is for those people who do not belong to Christ Jesus; those NOT written in the Book of Life. True followers of Christ will be doing other things while sinners are standing before God. I won't be there.
The Bible IS GOD'S GUIDE for MANKIND in how to live SIN-FREE. If you refuse to follow it, then thru free will, you are allowed to not follow it, but remember, there are consequences to everything you do. BE PREPARED FOR THOSE CONSEQUENCES.
God created the Heavens and the earth.
God created man for woman not man for man, woman for woman.
God created His word for all mankind to LIVE.
Jesus came and died for all sin.
THERE IS A REASON that God gave us His laws...think about that.
DISOBEDIENCE AGAINST GOD & HIS WORD, IS SIN.
[-1] June 11, 2015 at 1:32pm
The solution is to get Government out of the marriage then. What ever happened to the “separation of church and state”? As far as the Government should be concerned there should just be a contract issued between 2 or more people that forms a union between them giving them all the same privileges. If adoption was a Right then they would not be able to prevent someone form adopting a random child from any house hold. That would be grate on my taxes, adopt all the kids on my block, put them down as dependents. lol
June 11, 2015 at 1:16pm
Perhaps you forget my position, I don’t want the Government telling me what marriage is. I don’t care if you or your church say that you are married. More power to ya. I don’t have to recognize it same as I don’t have to recognize reincarnation. I have a problem when the Government says that I have to believe in reincarnation.
[-3] June 11, 2015 at 1:09pm
folks “Did” to it…. everything happening now is trying to undo what the religious made this country into.
[-1] June 11, 2015 at 1:05pm
Ya the mental anguish over why your mom chose to have you but kill your brother/sister doesn’t impact at all…..
[-4] June 11, 2015 at 12:56pm
What rights are you talking about? The simple fact that you have to get a Marriage “License” means it can be revoked. I would love the Right to get married. Using the government to force (insert hot celebrity here) to marry me. It goes well with the right to murder our child before its born.
[-2] June 11, 2015 at 12:49pm
Its called a Civil Union License. You can have a ceremony anywhere. Have the person presiding over it make up a Marriage Certificate. Good to Go.
June 10, 2015 at 5:46pm
Perhaps we are talking about 2 different things then. Marriage certificates have been issued for as long as there has been paper to wright on. Government Licenses and the enforcement of them is a relatively new concept started in the UK in 1836. Now the UK had long been messing in church business of coarse (Marriage Act of 1753), which was one of the large complaints our founders had and the reason for the first amendment. Sooooo in the case of Licenses in the United States I am correct.
June 10, 2015 at 4:58pm
Marriage Licenses in the US were set into place to keep blacks from marrying whites. Before that it was only a religious concept. White racists made it a civil institution. And now bigots want to use the same laws to force people to redefine the concept of sexual sin to not include homosexual acts. The simple solution is to have the government only issue civil unions. If you want to be Married get a certificate from your place of worship.
 June 4, 2015 at 3:23pm
The problem is they are trying to change the definition of marriage. So they can be married, have sex, with out people looking down on them. They don’t understand sin. You are still going to be accused of homophobia if you believe in traditional marriage. The only way to fight this is to remove government form issuing marriage licenses. Only have the government issue civil union licenses. If you want a marriage certificate, you can get it form your place of worship.
This is something that secular people want too! It would give churches as much freedom as possible to live according to their own beliefs
Since the traditional reason for getting married, having children, is not the reason that they want to get married you have to ask yourself why they want to tie themselves to somebody else for the rest of their life. For the ones that I have talked to it is the 1100 benefits that our government gives to married couples, from lower tax rates to survivor benefits. There also is the right for a spouse to decide medical actions for their other spouse that a lover just does not get.
Marriage is already not traditional marriage, the definition has already been changed. If you get married legally that isn't marriage under god. Legal marriage is three way marriage with you, your spouse and the government. It supposed to be you, your spouse, and god.
We can see this from divorce rates what Christians' marriages truly are. Most churches don't even care today, and people have the audacity to complain about gays getting married because of the standards or meaning that that institution, when that institution no longer has that meaning or value to many of the people complaining.
Christians should be more concerned with holding themselves and follows in Christ accountable, before worrying about others possible misdeeds.
Something about a splinter and a plank in the eye.
Homosexuality is an exploitive relationship and a lie perpetuated by egalitarians. Still proponents of homosexuality disregard the disease, physical abuses and exploitive nature of the illness and its consequences.
I refuse to bow down to anyone who will resort to name calling of whatever phobia or racism or anything else because I do not believe as they do. People must realize that the name calling is just a form of trying to control what others think and bully them to bow down before their own altars. We are still free...for now.
homosexual marriage is a counterfeit of marriage. In an effort to be inclusive, the egalitarians want the definition to change to legitimize gay behavior, to normalize the abnormal. That constitutes the necessity to destroy Christianity as it is and create an ulterior religion accepting of 'changing norms' as perceived by the whim of popular culture. Recreating goD into your own image. goD has to fit the changing times as it were. Until the 'they' can eliminate the need for goD in everybody's mind.
The problem that cultural image makers have is that the truth of God is, that He is. He is unchanging and will reduce the culture long before it can reduce Him.
So you think only religious people have the right to be married?
oakland, marriage is a legal issue as well as religious... laws are in place to keep civilized society civil... People are part of the process in constructing those laws. We deem murder to be wrong and a threat to society, theft, arson, slavery,etc... yet when judges appoint themselves as lawmakers and the lawmakers abandon their responsibility to the activist judicial and executive branches to render laws to achieve political power, WE THE PEOPLE get pissed off.
You don't move the goal posts and nets in middle of the game so your side can win... If marriage candidates are negotiable then marriage is no longer marriage, its a political hammer. Laws are to be changed are needing a vote... Abortion is murder, you may not agree, but it is the purposeful ending of a human life with premeditation. Activist judges put that into a legal standing and 55 million children are dead because of it... in America.
I am sick of hearing about 'traditional' marriage! Just because thumpers want to live in the past, with an OLD tradition, that does not relate to 2015, does not mean that partners that love each other, can not have a legal life. Marriage is not always about reproducing, or sex. IF religion was removed from politics and the laws, then we would NOT be having this issue. NOT everyone wants to be held in bondage because of the bible. Those that choose to abide by it are welcome, BUT leave the rest of the public alone. What happened to the USA "right to peruse, life, liberty, and happiness"?
Mountingayness, mental illness isn't a right, it's a disease. Pursuit of happiness Isn't licence to destroy time honored institutions because you want what you want. Be happy thinking true love is on stump broke mountain.
 June 3, 2015 at 11:36am
So you would be in favor of a Muslim coming in and asking for a “kill all the Jews” cake or a white supremacy group’s ‘”N’word”s all came from apes’ cake? I would hope that both of those would offend you enough to refuse to make them.
If a Muslim or a WS wanted a regular cake I would sell them all they want. We just don’t want to be seen as associated with ether one of those messages.
Likewise with gay marriage, be gay all you want, just don’t force me to condone something that we believe will send us to eternal damnation.
Are you equating a violent hateful message with a wedding? C'mon guys...these ridiculous false analogies are ridiculous....
...a more apt comparison would be if I directed my bakery to refuse to bake a cake for a Christian wedding because I find the religion to be objectionable...
A wedding cake is a wedding cake, It doesn't become a different thing because of who's buying it. If you make them you, you should make them for anyone who wants to buy them. A cake that says "Kill the Jews" is not the same thing as a cake that says :Happy Birthday or Congratulations. If you wouldn't make an offensive cake targeting any other group, you don't have to make one for them.
 June 1, 2015 at 2:41pm
Its freedom “of” Religion, not freedom “from” Religion.
There is no right of “not being offended”
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he did not exist.
So, is the devil more powerful than God? Does that mean there are two gods, one good and one bad?
 June 1, 2015 at 2:10pm
Ok not really news…. Darwin award yes …. but not news.
 May 29, 2015 at 12:23pm
Well the isolation has not worked, best way to change Cuba is to rot it form the inside out. We have the most experienced progressives that know just how to do it. ( That is if they didn’t already agree with the politics as they are now.)
This is not a surprising move. The US is feeling more like Cuba every day.
So the U.S. is more like Cuba everyday? The Cuban people have little food, technology, no Internet, no free press, little employment, no ability to rise economically and very few rights. Oh and they have been oppressed by a brutal regime for over 50 years..
 May 29, 2015 at 11:41am
Just as Obama is a Constitutional scholar, so he can know how to subvert the Constitution. So Hillery knows the bible. To conquer your enemy, with out force, one must study the enemy to the point that you can walk and talk as one of them.
May 28, 2015 at 3:42pm
It seems to me that the phrase in question refers to those brothers and sisters of the body of Christ. Being part of the church it is the duty of those in the body to bare witness to Jesus. This being done largely in our time by sharing and teaching the Gospel, as well as by actions and deeds. So the phrase is not necessarily about the poor, although within the body there is poor among us. It is more about all who believe in Christ.
Yes Ojebuss, Mattew 25 is Jesus speaking about those who came to accept Him during the Tribulation, and how the people of the nations of the world, responded to them, which in turn, is responding to Him.
 May 21, 2015 at 10:49am
Copyright violation.. Looks like Mika doesn’t want it to go viral.