I put my gun in my pocket many times when I have to conceal but I use a pocket holster which prevents the gun from printing. Sometimes the pocket is the only means to conceal. I doubt if he was using a pocket holster though. Also I always carry with one chambered, but the safety is always on of course. I’m wondering if the guy was even carrying legally, this was N.Y. where it’s almost impossible to get a permit.
 April 12, 2015 at 7:56pm
And when he’s found and he pulls a gun on the cops and gets shot we will hear about how he was such a sweet boy.
He needed the weekend to finish his senior thesis on how guns are dangerous and all them should be confiscated.
 March 15, 2015 at 3:59pm
This is disgusting, I graduated from Orange County High School in Virginia and I am embarrassed that this happened at my former school. Times have certainly changed, mine was the class of 1973.
 February 1, 2015 at 6:37am
A very long time ago back when cell phones fist got tiny I had one that might give you 15 minutes of talk time on battery if you’re lucky. I got a bill from Sprint that had charges for a 2 hour call. When I called Sprint and disputed the charges they couldn’t explain to me how it was possible but they wanted me to pay for it anyway. I refused to pay, they refused to drop it so that was the last time I had anything to do with Sprint.
 November 27, 2014 at 10:45pm
This story came straight from the AP which is the administrations puppets. I read this story days ago and many of the so called facts were either false or misleading.
 October 29, 2014 at 3:42pm
This is exactly why I didn’t take my family to the fair. I live close to the fairgrounds but when I found out they weren’t going to allow personal protection I stayed home.
I agree. I think if they would have just listened to the cops none of this would have happen. If I were a cop and someone reached in their bag I would pull my gun too. there are a lot of idiots who shoot at and kill cops out there. not to mention this guy had his window cracked just a little bit, acting suspicious, not listening to the cops, seems like he was trying to hide something, even if he wasn't thats how it looks. all these videos of people getting pulled over that I see could have ended normally if the idiots in them just followed the cops instructions and acted polite. if they tell you to get out of the car, then get out. dont get me wrong there are bad cops out there but 99% of the time I see one of these videos, its not the cops fault. also what happened before the video starts that lead to the cops asking him to get out of the car?
You don't see where the cop did anything wrong. He smashed a window and TASED a passenger in the vehicle. Not a driver, a freakin passenger. A person that is not required to have any id on them. Cops screwed the pooch BIG TIME.
As a passenger, he doesn't have provide ID and such. They can ask and he has the right to decline. Crazy how these cops ask you to get stuff, then panic when you comply!
Belligerence? Where? He didn't say anything belligerent.
They were pulled over for a seat belt violation. What reason did the police officer(s) have to harass and essentially detain the passenger?
If you actually read the entire story, he told the officers that he did not have his ID and gave them his name, birthdate, and address. Apparently that wasn't good enough though?
Cops don't have the right to harass this guy, you, me, or anyone else just because they feel like it.
It would be one thing if they had suspected that the guy committed a crime or was a wanted fugitive, but they just seemed intent on harassing him.
oldgeek. Are you out of your damn mind? The cops did everything wrong. First off, the passenger is not responsible for having on his seatbelt, the driver is and the driver is the one who would be ticketed. Second, because the passenger is not responsible, the passenger does not have to provide ID. This is Nazi Germany where you have to produce your papers when asked. This is the United States of America and we have protections guaranteed us, by the 4th amendment of the constitution, against illegal searches. those cops are the real criminals in this video. If you can't see that, then you are part of the problem. The minute you give the cops permission to search you, you have just forfeited your 4th amendment rights. I would have done the same thing as the passenger in this case. You must stand up for your rights or you will lose them.
Really? I find that absolutely unbelievable. You apparently didn't watch the same video I watched.
I agree with your sentiments. However in the Peoples Police State of Indiana the following applies:
- Subjects must provide identifying information to law enforcement employees. There is no requirement for any employee to have articulable suspicion to demand this information.
- Victims are subject to a criminal penalty for noncompliance with the obligation to identify oneself.
- Subjects must also provide their intended destination because anything & everything is suspect & therefore a threat.
In my view what I see is the law enforcement employees working to expand the stop to create the most citations and or arrests possible. When the occupants of the vehicle failed to express complete submission to their whims the classic "perceived contempt of cop" force continuum was initiated. This incident illustrates exactly why the government monopoly union run law enforcement industry is a threat to all law abiding citizens that understand and exercise their God given rights enshrined in our founding documents.
If the occupants of the vehicle were of a different race would people here be making the same defense of these law enforcement employees?
Does anyone remember Bobby Canipe, Levar Jones, or even Bryce Masters? Madness sure madness.
So what if the guy was being belligerent he did nothing wrong and didn't deserve what happened to him
 September 21, 2014 at 8:11am
In my community the rule is never move from the bus stop until bus has come to a complete stop, you don’t cross the street or attempt to move closer to the bus until it is completely stopped. I have seen bus drivers correcting kids who do not follow the rules. From the story I get the impression that a large group of kids rushed the bus as it was pulling up, very dangerous.
 September 21, 2014 at 7:59am
At least try to make a point so people won’t be laughing at you. Your entire personality comes out in your rambling sophomoric rants.
 September 21, 2014 at 7:57am
Comparing Muhammad to Moses is laughable and disgusting at the same time. Muhammad was a perverted murderous pedophile and was a false prophet of a false religion. The bible speaks about these demonic worshipers.
@ oldgeek- The real founder of Christianity St. Saul was a mass murderer. Abraham committed adult incest when he married his sister Sarah. Lot had sexual intercourse with his underage daughters and beget children with them. Christianity and Judaism are false religions. These words are nowhere to be found in the Bible.
'The outrages in your book of bronze age myths are more abhorrent than the outrages in my book of bronze age myths'
@ blinknight- You have no dog in this hunt so why do you care?
Anyone hear will tell you I'm no fan of the Christians and my reasons for that are many and varied.
Islam as a global force takes everything I don't like about Christians and amplifies it by about four or five times.
If and when your religion can ever claim it's only as bad as Christianity, then the world will have come to a wonderful place in history.
@ blinknight- The words "If and when your religion can ever claim it’s only as bad as Christianity" are your own words. No one cares how you or any other non believer feels or thinks. If you're not a believer, that's your problem not ours.
So enlighten me oldgeek or should I say oldtweek! Since you're a mental giant among men who in history has been like unto Moses. After all God's word must come to pass. Answer my question since you're smarter than the religious historians. And when you can't answer the question ask God's forgiveness for you hate and denial of the successor of the Christ. Be a man and except my challenge. If you crave the truth like Americans should. I'll post this to the main board too. I'm waiting!
 September 21, 2014 at 7:54am
Feel free to point out anything that is not true.
He was shot in the back many times. So, that would mean he was running away. The police said he lunged at the them, and they were forced to shot. Yet, they shot him in the back.
Most swords you can buy are unedged blades. I think it might be illegal to sell a edge sword, but I could be wrong. Just because he had a sword, didn't mean he was going to use it on anyone.
The cops didn't bother trying to chase him, they just took the easy way out, and killed him. They didn't want to work up a sweat.
On tv shows, you see them usually doing everything they can to not kill someone, going far, far out of their way. But in real life, you find out that the tv shows are just a fairy tale.
Why is it, that police still don't have something else to take down a suspect without killing them. Like rubber bullets, bean bag guns, I don't know, maybe a net gun, or something. Doesn't make sense, that they can't find a different way that is safer for everyone, and only use a gun, when there is truly no other choice.
We don't know what happened here, we are just guessing. Maybe this guy was dangerous, and he did attack the police. It's just a shame that a gun is the only defense they seem to use.
I don't like the taser, it's dangerous, and they seem to use it to willingly, as if it was completely safe or something. Having someone fall to the ground without the ability to protect themselves can be very dangerous.
Perhaps someone should give the school “The Scarlet Letter” to read.
August 28, 2014 at 9:24pm
“omit statistically significant data” was a conclusion made by the conspiracy theorist which makes your point moot.
 August 28, 2014 at 9:07pm
You should “truly” be embarrassed to proclaim a socialistic thread as your ideology. Gohmert was spot on.
 August 28, 2014 at 9:05pm
Actually it is not “made up” it’s slightly reworded, instead of specifically saying “Muslims” he said “them” and was referring to “Arabs and Pakistani Americans” so technically while it is not an accurate quote it is correct in context.
 August 22, 2014 at 7:30pm
A tunnel for the drug lords or coyotes caved in maybe?