I commend the blaze for updating and revising the story to reflect the truth, thank you
 March 9, 2015 at 1:09pm
QUOTE “On Feb 13 2015 ATF released for public comment a proposed framework to guide its determination on what ammunition is “primarily intended for sporting purposes” for purposes of granting exemptions to the Gun Control Acts prohibition on armor piercing ammunition. The posted framework is only a proposal, posted for the purpose of receiving public comment, and “NO FINAL DETERMINATIONS HAVE BEEN MADE.”” thats the first paragraph of the ATF letter on the ATF facebook page cited incorrectly in this article DONT GIVE UP THE FIGHT YET ITS NOT OVER!!!
 March 9, 2015 at 12:49pm
This ammo ban IS NOT OVER!!! all they said was that their was a typo in the new manual that gets updated every 10 years. the comment period is not over. The article did not cover their whole response the ATF said QUOTE “no determinations have been made.” watch mrguns&gear video on youtube explaining the latest release cited above. you can see atf letter on their facebook page at the end. this article misleads that they are not going to ban it at all now. and that IS NOT what they said. all they said was that their manual had a typo and they have not decided yet if they will ban it and the typo will be corrected. https://www.youtube.com/watchv=NEOSYi5A_TY BLAZE DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND DONT MISLEAD BECAUSE YOU ONLY HALF LOOKED INTO THE ARTICLE!!!
QUOTE “On Feb 13 2015 ATF released for public comment a proposed framework to guide its determination on what ammunition is “primarily intended for sporting purposes” for purposes of granting exemptions to the Gun Control Acts prohibition on armor piercing ammunition. The posted framework is only a proposal, posted for the purpose of receiving public comment, and “NO FINAL DETERMINATIONS HAVE BEEN MADE.”" thats the first paragraph of the ATF letter on the ATF facebook page cited incorrectly in this article DONT GIVE UP THE FIGHT YET ITS NOT OVER!!!
It was a poorly written article that seemed to convey the idea that ATF backed off of banning this round. As you and others have stated, they have NOT backed off . They just got caught mandating the ban without going through the supposed 30 day comment.
Blaze-does anyone proof read there? Or is everyone too busy jamming the fifty to eighty tracking programs and pop ups on each web page that make computers run like they did in 1990 on AOL with a dial up modem?
February 22, 2013 at 12:22pm
Add to that the fact that ALL but 3 utah sherriffs in the utah sheriffs association (including mine) were the ones responsible for signing and sending that controversial letter to obama after his illegal executive orders basically telling him to shove his orders where the sun dont shine! id much rather live here in utah then elswhere when the SHTF. I know my neighbors i know where we stand i know what our values and principals are (GOD, FAMILY, CONSTITUTION, GOD GIVEN RIGHTS, ) and who will stand up for my rights as i will theirs if it ever came to it.
Add to that chart that most of the states with very restricting gun laws have the HIGHEST RATE OF GUN CRIMES. Imagine that, thugs love defenseless victims.
28 of the 29 county sheriffs signed that letter. Salt Lake County Sheriff James Winder was the only one not to sign. But what do you expect he is the Sheriff that includes Salt Lake City.
The problem with Utah is all the non-Mormons that move there because of the culture then try to change it. I never understand why people are attracted to a spot, move there then try to change it to what they moved from, go back home if you want to bring your old ways. Every state I have lived in is great in it's own way, well not Communist controlled ones like California, Illinois, New York and etc.
Very PROUD to be on these BOZOS worse list.
ALL the BOZO's that are pushing this CRAP have
armed bodyguards, Go figure..
In Montana you only need a permit to carry it concealed ON YOUR PERSON in your clothing. Carrying a concealed weapon in bag, case, or purse is legal for EVERYONE, unless you are a felon. We love women's rights here.
There should be a crime rate map alongside the Brady Campaign map.
Me I am with ya!!!...country is going to hell in a hand basket and anybody that is anti-gun will at some point wish they were trained and had a gun!!
Also, Utah is proposing to get rid of the concealed carry permit altogether. Citizens can conceal carry without being required to have a permit anymore. Of course, there were some protests by some of the liberal Calfirnicans that have moved into the state, but the vote to abolish it overwhelmingly passed, with just 2 Democrats (probably the only two in the entire state legislature) voting against it. Looks like it will very likely become the law.
Thank You, I love our Sheriffs, They are cool.
I have the Utmost respect for the Sheriff dept. Can't say the same for the Unified network.
God, Family,Constitution and God Given Rights. amen
Here are a couple of news stories about Utah Getting rid of concealed carry permits:
There are 4 gun law bills going in front of the legislature in Montana. The first two get rid of all gun free zones for people with legal conceal carry permits (including government buildings) and prohibit private companies or universities from preventing legal conceal carry permit holders from carrying. The third allows hunters to legally use suppressors (my hunting husband is losing his hearing thanks to this being illegal). The fourth, makes it so legal firearms owners do not need a permit to carry concealed within city limits (it is already legal to carry outside city limits),
I love my state and will die here, Arizona rocks
Here in Jersey about the only way you can get a permit is to be one of Christie's family's swarm of armed bodyguards. They are the only one Christie deems worthy of protection.
@PATRIOT89 Well Said!!!
"The problem with Utah is all the non-Mormons that move there because of the culture then try to change it. I never understand why people are attracted to a spot, move there then try to change it to what they moved from, go back home if you want to bring your old ways. Every state I have lived in is great in it’s own way, well not Communist controlled ones like California, Illinois, New York and etc."
I strongly disagree with your “all non-Mormons” comment. There are some people that want to change Utah into whatever they want them to change into, but, I stay away from those type of people! My family and I are not Mormons, and some of my friends are not either. I will never ever try to change them, and none of my friends are not trying to change them either…. 99.9% of my neighbors are very religious, very involve at church and very family oriented, that’s what I love about them. My family and I, and most of my non-Mormons friends are the same way, except we go to Catholic church.
This is not the first time I heard someone making comments like this, and I wish people would stop saying “ALL non-Mormons” because they/you can’t be anymore wrong! By the way, we also love our GUNS and BIBLE.
"I never understand why people are attracted to a spot, move there then try to change it to what they moved from"
That's simple; they love the freedom, safety, and often clean environment that is found in these communities. Problem is they can't see how their voting patterns led to the mess they fled in the first place. They come demanding amenities that weren't there that attract a problematic population. Before you know it graffiti, drugs, decay, and crime show up, Then the cycle starts all over; these people seek safer towns/schools and lower taxes/cost of living, and move to the next conservative community without realizing some of them are bringing the problem with them.
I am looking forward to moving to Utah within the year and we have no plans to change what seems to be a very nice and free place to live.
Now if only Salt Lake folk will remember this when elections come up.. I will campaign against Sheriff James Winder; heck, I might even run against him.,
I have question about removing the requirement of having a conceal carry permit SouEu. How can other states honor your out of state conceal carry rights if you have no permit for them to honor? Does your drivers license or other state id become your permit?
I am proud to be living in Arizona, one of the lowest scores on the Brady Bunch list. Our score represents the amount of gun control laws that will be passed here- ZERO
Wonder what Sheriff Winder will do when the other 28 come knocking on the door.
@SOUEU The law being proposed here in UT about getting rid of the conceal carry permit is not all it's cracked up to be. There was something they snuck in there about removing the right to carry on school grounds. Right now you can carry on school grounds under the current program, if this were to change it would not be a good thing. Keep things the way they are I say. They're working.
New Mexico has some problems but at least the county sheriffs still try. 30 of 33 signed on to a statement to support the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment.
Can't figure out why peple are so irrtional about guns? Watch this 30 year old video!
Good for you and yours when the SHTF you will find out...YOU NEVER KNOW A MAN UNTILL YOU SHARE AN INHERITANCE WITH HIM ...Good Luck...And may God help us all...
People need to stop doing business with any company, city, or State that is Anti-American and willingly infringes on the Rights of Americans. Stop buying all goods: grown or manufactured, cancel all vacations, and conventions. This map gives us a great starting point.
At the top of Brady’s “best” (the most restrictive) states are:
"The Eyes of all our Countrymen are now upon us, and we shall have their blessings, and praises, if happily we are the instruments of saving them from the Tyranny mediated against them. Let us therefore animate and encourage each other, and show the whole world, that a free man contending for Liberty on his own ground is superior to any slavish mercenary on earth." -- George Washington, 1776
@DAJONES I'm not sure about other states but you can still get a CCW in Arizona, although they are not required there. Then you may carry legally in reciprocal states.
I will not travel or spend money in a state that restricts 2nd amendment rights ,that includes spending money online.
Don't' californicate utah!!!!!
Not sure how to take this survey. My State, Florida has the most Conceal Carry Permits of all states! Texas and Louisiana have got to be up there. Louisiana is called Sportsman's Paradise for a reason!
February 22, 2013 at 12:16pm
not to ruffle any feathers or anything but….
Maybe you should get your facts straight “Utah – No unlicensed open carry, and only got open carry this year, bzzt, wrong answer”
wrong have lived in utah all my life and we have had unlicensed open carry laws for a very long time although you cannot have a round in the chamber while open carrying you can have a fully loaded magazine and no one can say anything to you about it. (i.e. the story that went nationwide a few months ago of a young man open carrying his AR-15 through JC Penneys (no charges filed)).
And if you have a CCW then you can carry however you want. there is even a bill being debated as we speak to make it legal to concealed carry without needing a permit. Utah’s constitution doubly protects my second amendment rights (especially in a state of emergency i.e. Katrina anyone?)
against gun confiscation & registration.
Not only that it is one of the easiest states to get a concealed permit being a shall issue state if you meet the minimum requirements and are a lawful citizen they cannot deny you a permit. i can go on and on. obviously no state is perfect and we all have those nasty little progressive weasels to deal with but i’d say utah is an awesome state for the most part when it comes to gun laws.
heck a large part of our economy is based on outdoor recreaton/tourism, including hunting.
"there is even a bill being debated as we speak to make it legal to concealed carry without needing a permit. "
I believe there is a lot of support for this bill, except for Gov. Herbert, who does not support it. Do you believe the bill will pass without Herbert's support?
Same w/ Alabama stats on these Brady maps.....We've had Democrats in charge for so long, but NOT NOW. All Republicans and they're voting a great gun freedom bill in as we speak. Already passed the House. This map will change very soon. Open carry, across State lines, 'Shall' issue, etc...
I already stated the 2 step rule before you posted.
I also did mention that you have great CHL laws. :)
That bill hopefully will go up to the vote today. And it's kinda sounding like it has enough support to override a veto from Herbert. Let's hope. The other one I'm excited about is also on the floor clarifying that in the absence of intimidating behavior, open carry is NOT disturbing the peace. That one is for the ****s here at USU that have been arresting and charging law-abiding students for exercising their rights.
Hahaha, while the topic is not funny, citing the Katrina aftermath as a reason to have loose gun laws in Utah is just funny.
Don't get me wrong, I'm with you in support of the 2A and states rights, but I had to chuckle at that.
Arizona doesn't require a permit to conceal carry.
All of which is why Utah is on my short list of relocation areas! God Bless Utah & Arizona!
I always carried one in the chamber when I lived in AZ. and always carried openly. What good is a gun without one in the chamber? Maybe a revolver would make more sense, unless you must leave one slot empty in the cylinder under the hammer?