THAT WAS A STAGED INTERVIEW, A REAL CHEAP SHOT
God didn't save her he saved her baby. She just happen to be the mother and the baby still needs the mother. Blitzer has his coming and by his age its coming real soon.
Your obviously just in denial, there are a lot of atheists out there, and this one was very nice and correct when she said she doesnt blame anyone for thanking the lord. She isnt trying to convert others into believing what she believes unlike some people.
I think you're right it's not that there aren't atheist in OK. but I know damn well no CNNN reporter would ask anyone if they thanked the lord for anything.
I don't even know why I clicked on this story. But this looks to be set up to make God look bad. I pray for people like Wolf. You don't want to mock God, it never turns out well.
If you're going to thank the Lord for surviving the tornado, what should you say to Him for sending it?
Thanks Lord that I didn't die today, because I don't know you yet because this tornado lasted seconds and hell is eternal !
Piffle. He knew all this beforehand and asked just to get the "atheist" card out there. Useless communist "journalist".
Plowman, blasphemy is the unpardonable sin. So many of those on the left and right are doomed to spend eternity in hell. Of course, they are not the smartest people but just thinking of spending an eternity in hell with the Obama's, Clintons, Pelosi's, Reid's, Frank's, Dodd's and 1,000,000,000 Muslims makes for serious concern. After thinking of this you would think it's a no brainer to put faith in Christ.
Posted on May 22, 2013 at 9:45am
"If you’re going to thank the Lord for surviving the tornado, what should you say to Him for sending it?"
God didn't send it. We live in a fractured world. When Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge.
Also love how people justify their religion of Atheism on "Why would God allow kids to be hurt and molested and don't give me the answer of free will" Let me remind those people choosing not to believe in God is free will.
Meteor I believe if you don't know anything about a topic you shouldn't post. Although it is your right to remain ignorance
using the argument against God existing by saying "why would He allow..." is not only disingenuous but also a logical fallacy. it is nothing but a way to avoid the argument altogether and bash the belief of the other person. you know...you basic Alinsky tactic...your puppet masters did train you on those right?
God made the universe and God is omnipotent and omnipresent..all knowing and all seeing and all powerful. Yes, God could have made the world perfect and He could stop any form of harm or natural disaster from harming any of His children, whether they choose to believe in Him or not...but what would that do and how would that teach?
It would be like the current Welfare system...generations of families staying locked in poverty because if they find a job, better themselves, educate themselves, and strive for more out of life... they might succeed but they also might fail and along the way, their security blanket would be taken away. So they simply choose to be lazy and sit in their Section 8 housing or Project and milk the system for all it is worth and scream for their "Obama phone", "Obama money", and "Obama healthcare."
God is the ULTIMATE Capitalist, if you don't work, you don't eat. The Parables of Jesus go over this time and time again and so does the Old Testament. Even the poor were expected to work for their bread by gleaming the fields for chafe and the community was expected to allow them too but NEVER to simply give them handout
So in that vain...God the ULTIMATE Capitalist...God is also the ULTIMATE Ambassador of Liberty and Free Will and if He simply regulated everything on the planet so as not to harm or hurt anyone, never to let evil happen, or crime to happen...then He would be nothing better then the Federal government we have now or of any other Progressive-Statist-Marxist government.
So...repeat after me...
"God allowed" what you say? Everything...does God step in at times, Yes! does God guide at times, Yes! But when hurt and agony and pain and even Evil befalls us, do we blame God for NOT stepping in, not guiding us? NO, we should blame ourselves for NOT LISTENING to Him when He did guide and step in.
Every parent knows that sometimes you just have to left bad things happen to your children NO MATTER how much you scream, force, and try to keep them safe. They have to LEARN and CHOOSE for themselves. God is the ULTIMATE Father and Parent.
So God allows the weather to be the weather and Man to be Man. There was another Moore, OK tornado back in 1999. Did you know that all the houses rebuilt from that disaster were rebuilt WITHOUT shelters? Somebody didn't listen or learn, eh?
Same reality for flood victims, hurricane victims, and earthquake victims that continue to build in the same place time and time again.
and Choose Wisely!
She might not believe in God, but I am sure she was crying out for Him at the time. Usually people will cry out to God in disasters such as this. Why is that? Could it be that deep down we all know there is a God in Heaven.
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen."
No. You are so wrong, it is not even comical. No, not all of us deep down know there is a god. I know there is no god, just as much as you know there is one. I have been in a tornado, I was in awe of what this planet can produce, how life can thrive here and so quickly be taken away. I held my dog, shut my eyes, and hoped that we would make it out alive, as well as my friends, family and neighbors. I did make it out alive, not thinks to any fat man in the sky, but sheer luck.
VRW Conspirator says, "using the argument against God existing by saying “why would He allow…” is not only disingenuous but also a logical fallacy." I didn't say that VRW, although you just did. I asked what you should say to God about sending (or allowing) the tornado. I guess your answer is that you shouldn't broach that subject with God.
You also say, "Yes, God could have made the world perfect...but what would that do and how would that teach?" What does it teach that kids are killed for no reason? That s- happens? Build tornado shelters? You do realize that if those kids weren't "saved" they're now in the bad place (unless that punishment was revoked).
Life is short. Presumably if the world not being perfect is good, wouldn't Heaven not being perfect be even better considering the people spend until the end of time there (like trillions of years)? Why would God make Heaven perfect? What does that teach? Why should Heaven be a like a "Progressive-Statist-Marxist government" where everyone is equal and so forth?
"God is the ULTIMATE Capitalist, if you don’t work, you don’t eat." What Bible are you reading? "For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’" Deuteronomy 15:11. Notice the word "command." No choice there, nor any qualification about the person "working." Pray for forgiveness for yo
"God didn’t save her he saved her baby."
But he didn't save at least seven schoolchildren. Nice guy, that God.
Seems my previous post did not post ... there are a number of verses ( I listed and wrote out 2) that do indeed say that if a man will not work then neither should he eat.
So, I would ask you, what bible are you reading ... and how well do you read it ...?
4truth2all, I don't doubt you. The Bible is chock full of contradictions. So you got with the Jesus who said don't feed the poor unless they've got a job - in which case they don't need the food - and I'll go with this quote: Matthew 25:41-45
Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least among you, you did not do for me.'
I don't think Jesus is talking about people who have jobs. But hey, believe what you want!
I have a question for you. It's ok if you don't answer it, it's a very hard question.
If I steal money from you and donated it to the poor does that make you charitable?
If I steal money from you and donate it to the poor did I sin?
Again, I completely understand if you can't answer.
Speck, I've got a hard question for you. The Bible says, "“For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’” Deuteronomy 15:11.
So when God commands you to give to the poor, is He robbing you? Notice God isn't making a suggestion, He is making a command. You are given no choice. He's not asking nicely, he's demanding you do it or else.
Is God a thief?
Here's a harder one. When the government takes your taxes, and pays firefighters to save lives and property, or you being robbed because they don't save your life?
In the opinion of many, to some degree "we're all in this together." Your argument suggests the opposite: every man for himself. And that if you breath polluted air, drink water containing carcinogens and mercury, eat food infected with e-coli, have no roads or utilities to your house, no police, no fire fighters that's okay because nobody owes anybody nothin'. Because you are being robbed to pay for something you may or may not use or want. It's robbery to take from you to support your city, your state or your country. Some patriot you are.
Your false. Your argument is predicated on the idea that taxes are charity, there not. Anything you say based off that principle is unfounded.
You asked, "So when God commands you to give to the poor, is He robbing you? Notice God isn’t making a suggestion, He is making a command. You are given no choice."
Wrong again. People have free will and are able to choose for themselves if they will follow God or not. People who choose to follow God know or should have a general idea of what he expects from. They are not being robbed because it is there desire to help the poor.
The thing I find most fascinating, despite your illogical conclusions, is you attack Christian as being against the poor, despite being a group where many, if not a majority, of the people you attack give a minimum of 10% to charity.
Speck says, "Your argument is predicated on the idea that taxes are charity." No it's not. Taxes aren't charity, nor did I say they were. You say that "people have free will" and can choose not to follow God's commands. And if they do follow the direct commandment of God to avoid the implied punishment, that's charity? If you give to others because you are afraid of the punishment of eternal damnation, that's charity? And if you give to others because you hope to live in eternal bliss, that's charity? Giving to the poor because you hope of a reward in the afterlife - eternal bliss - or giving because you fear spending eternity in pain and suffering in Hell, that's "charity?"
What if an atheist gives to the less fortunate as Christ taught, with no hope of eternal Heaven, nor fear of eternal Hell? This atheist gives only because they empathize with and have compassion toward the poor. How does God compare that person to those who gives because he's afraid of Hell or trying really hard to get to Heaven?
Anyway, charity is not the issue. I'm afraid I don't have words left in this post to make up for neglected education in how groups function together. And it's not "every man for himself." We're all in this together Speck. And that street in front of your house, or that school your kids went to? They were paid for more by the people richer than you than you. That's makes you a thief.
Sendthemeteors, you seem to be assuming that Christians are only charitable because they live in constant fear of Hell, while atheists are charitable because they're just swell people. Of course, giving in fear is less noble than giving out of charity, but fear is not why the vast majority of Christians are charitable. Maybe that whole "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" thing actually caught on, you know?
I also fail to see how speck said that paying taxes is "robbery". You were actually the one who posited that concept. Please see how, to the rest of us, your conclusion that the use of everything paid for by taxpayers is illogical.
So despite previously saying the republican hate the poor because they oppose tax increase, which will help the poor (charity), now you say taxes aren't charity...whatever.
I suggest you read the part of the Bible that talks about giving with a cheerful heart. I also like how you claim atheists give with a pure desire to help the poor but Christains must be coerced. I think you would be hard pressed to find a group that does more to help the poor than Christian people.
Sorry, didn't see your post before I posted. You took the words right out of my mouth.
If you have to resort to the false claimi that the rights position is every man for himself, you need to find a better argument.
I would also remind you that your party is the party that wanted to give minorities just enough to quite them down and not enough to make a difference. In that context it is real easy to see why after decades of a "hand up" from you party, poverty continues to rises and generation after generation of poor minorities are doomed to bread crumbs given to them by the left.
scientiam, "I also fail to see how speck said that paying taxes is “robbery." Okay, he said "steal" not robbery. My bad.
Spec, I really didn't see an argument in your multiple posts. But, yes, the right most certainly does demonize the poor, the 47% in Romney's quote. I read it here all the time. The poor (and vets, and retired people and so on) are moochers and takers and so on.
But let's turn that around with an example. Suppose your kids went to public schools. In my district the majority of funds from school comes from taxes on property. That means the rich pay far more into the school system than people like you, although your kids receive the exact same benefit. So, you're a moocher. Why should the rich have to pay for your kid's education? The problem is that you are only looking at people who are more poor than you and can't grasp that you are in the exact same spot.
Sorry to be the one to tell you, but we are indeed in a social contract: we're all in this together. The very definition these days of Republican policy is that it is anything that benefits the rich. The Democrats are looking out for the general welfare. I'd be willing to be that half the people here have received benefits from the government, are from the unemployment insurance the government requires of employers.
It's funny. The evangelicals want a "Christian government," as long as it doesn't help anybody poor.
Hey Meat, "cursed is he that deceitfully does the work of the Lord," Is that in your issued anti-Christian handbook? I admire your intellect sometimes, You, like many suffer from the "beings eye view" of life. Strive to see "Gods eye view" and many of your questions will be answered. "Do not rely on your own understanding". Find that ole wise one.
Last time I checked God owned everything. He commanded a tithe that there be food in his house, and that the harvesters leave a tenth in the field for the poor and that every 7th year all debts be rescinded, and forbid the charging of interest. Boy, wouldn't that throw a monkeywrench into the system.
So I can take money from you as long as it goes to benifit society as a whole?
Cut the crap with the democrats looking out for the poor nonsense.
”These *African Americans*, they‘re getting pretty uppity these days and that‘s a problem for us since they‘ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we‘ve got to do something about this, we‘ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.”
Lyndon B. Johnson
Just admit it. You don't like African Americans. You still support the same programs that were designed to keep African Americans down, poor, and quite. You know that poverty rates since the civil rights act have increased, not decreased. You know the poor are worse off after decades of your "help." You know LBJ's goal wasn't the elimination of poverty in the black community but instead generation after generation after generation after generation of a poor existence, relying on crumbs from the government. And you will be damned if anyone's gonna change the system of certain poverty designed by your party.
Spec, asks, "So I can take money from you as long as it goes to benifit society as a whole?" In case you haven't heard: "Sixteenth Amendment, Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 of the US Constitution:
" The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;..."
The term "general welfare" means everybody. You fail again to realize that, supposing you aren't rich, you're paying less of this taxation than wealthier people, although you receive the same benefits. You're happy with that I guess, but you don't want others to benefit as you do. You ought to figuratively look in the mirror, and realize that to some degree you are in the same boat as those you'd deprive.
Yep, it looks like that's what the Constitution says. And God agrees. God doesn't ask you to give, He commands you to give.
Last time you or a family member were on unemployment or welfare for a hand up, you probably didn't look at them as thieves, so I'm not sure why you can't extend that same reasoning to others.
Your false again.
Why are you so hellbent on "helping" people in to higher and higher rates of poverty? Why do you support the same policies that were designed to keep minorities down, quite, and poor? Why do you support policies that have led to generation after generation after generation after generations of people living off the crumbs doled out to them by the to government? What do you have against African Americans? Why do you want African Americans to be poor generation after generation while you sit back and earn a salary twice that of the average citizen? Why do you attack Christians who for a large number, if not a majority, give a minimum of 10% of their income to charity? Why do you claim the right hates the poor despite donating around 30% more to charity than the left? How can those who hate a group of people fork over more money out of their own pockets to give to those they "hate" then those out supposedly care for them. How come you never claim generous Joe Biden hates the poor when he gives less than 2% of his income to charity, but Christians who give a min of 10% hate the poor and abandon the teachings of Christ?
Why do you agree with LBJ? Why do you want to give African American just enought to quiet them down and not enough to make a difference?
How much of your income do you donate to charity?
How much of your off time is volunteered to the poor through charity?
Spec asks, "Why are you so hellbent on “helping” people in to higher and higher rates of poverty?"
“For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’” Deuteronomy 15:11.
Spec, better check with God on your question, His Words are clear enough.
As far as the Founding Fathers being "hellbent" on providing for the general welfare you might want to read some history I guess. For some reason they thought that a country should be designed to benefit everybody, not just the few. If that's not self-evident to you, or the words of Christ don't satisfy you, then I'm not sure what I can say to help you understand.
Maybe you should take a class in Ethics.
Wow! Maybe you should take a class in reading comprehension! You could probably sign up for one at a junior college or something.
I asked “Why are you so hellbent on “helping” people in to HIGHER AND HIGHER RATES OF POVERTY?”
Let me dumb it down since you don't comprehend the statement.
After decades of "help" from the left the poverty rates have increased. Do you understand that?
Ever since LBJ said he wanted to give African Americans just enough to shut them up and not enough to make a difference, the poverty rate among the Black Community has increased. Do you understand that?
After decades of "help" from the left the the poverty rate among the Black Community is higher than before you started to help them. Do you understand that?
Are you surprised that a guy who said he wants to keep the Black community poor and quite instituted a program that has led to an increase of poverty among the black community?
So again, why do you support the programs that were designed to keep the Black Community poor and quite?
SPEC, you really need to stay on topic. I've answered your original question several times, so now you've started changing topics. I suggest that spend a little more time reading and trying to understand the teachings of Christ, and I also suggest you read the Constitution.
Honestly I'm really not interested in jumping from topic to topic with you. However, if you'd like to understand the increasing income equality in the United States, trying googling "income inequality." It is true that the rich are getting richer, and the rest of us - including you - are making the same or getting poorer. But that's the result of Republican policy decisions, not welfare. And if you are trying to blame any increase in poverty in recent years, all you have to do is look at when that started: Yep, 2007 and Bush's Great Recession.
Yes, I know your party got ahold of the purse strings and the economy tanked.
I apologize for getting of topic. To keep me on topic, please specifically tell me what republican policies are keeping the poor, poor, and the rich, rich.
Posted on May 21, 2013 at 8:26pm
THAT WAS A STAGED INTERVIEW, A REAL CHEAP SHOT
God didn’t save her he saved her baby. She just happen to be the mother and the baby still needs the mother. Blitzer has his coming and by his age its coming real soon.
Honey, God is not a respecter of either man or woman. How do you know what God's plan is for that woman???????????????????
We live under a period of Grace...Get into the Word before you make more mistakes about God and His plan...you have no ideal.
May 5, 2013 at 10:26pm
DONT WORRY. When the Left finishes removing ‘God’ from our society, our ‘God Given Rights’ will be null & void.
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May 5, 2013 at 10:23pm
DONT WORRY. When Left finishes removing ‘God’ from our society, our ‘God Given Rights’ will be null & void anyway.
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“The ends justifies their means”
May 5, 2013 at 2:28pm
When the Socialist finish removing ‘God’ from our society, ALL our ‘God Given Rights’ will be null & void.
May 3, 2013 at 12:34am
Good. 10 more pounds to go, and then I wont be forced to ride that piece of crap. I’ll keep my SUV.
May 3, 2013 at 12:30am
You mean we could hack into them, and turn them against the UN? COOOOOL!
May 3, 2013 at 12:04am
SNIFF SNIFF. I smell Diane Fecalstein coming out of her cave again.
AR-15 is NOT a Military Design.
But, but, but... it's black, and it's got a handle!!
And what about those "picky tiny" rail thingies? Those look 'scary' and can only mean that it is meant to be used by the military! And an adjustable stock? Why on earth would you need a rifle to fit you? Clearly you are bent on mass murders if you want an adjustable stock!
Another crazed lefty trying to do the will of their god, "tyranny." Trying to make a political statement given the location (George Bush Int'l) and the timing (NRA Annual Meeting) and the choice of weapons (AR15) that was used for nothing more than poking holes in ceiling tiles.
Smart money says we will find he has a history of mental issues.
No reports of him shouting muslim filth so I'd say he was just a sad, sick person, caught up in the leftist ideology of gun-grabbing.
When Glenn said yesterday on the radio that there'd be more shootings, I said aloud, "Yep! And they'll use an AR15 next time to PROVE it [justifies gun-grabbing efforts]."
May 2, 2013 at 11:22pm
What? He’s hidding behind a chair? GET THE STORY YOU CHICKEN! GET CLOSER, WE CANT SEE ****.
May 2, 2013 at 11:00pm
He will walk. Right is wrong, and wrong is right.
May 2, 2013 at 10:58pm
He had a nice truck too. I’d blame Obamacare & Sequester.
HEY? WHO GETS THE TRUCK?