They don’t know what the hell they are doing with anything, is that not obvious?
July 9, 2013 at 12:10pm
Why can the government get away with all this BS??????????????????????????????
When are the people going to take back this country????????????????????????????
Why do the people allow them to throw away our hard earned money???????????????
Why do we let them tell us how to live our lives, raise our children, and protect ourselves?
I AM READY TO TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY, HONOR THE CONSTITUTION, AND TRY MY BEST TO LIVE HOW GOD WANTS US TO LIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Answer to first question. The majority of Americans don't give a sh#t as long as they can still get there substance to get high on and there chicken nuggets.
Answer to second question. They aren't and they likely can't. If there was a army of American Patriots that took back the country from the Godless animals. It would not be to long before the socialist of Europe, China, and Russia would invade and put there Obama like Government back in place.
It is evil hearted people that share a common goal.
Which appears to be in this case,
it's the total destruction of our medical system in favor of single payer.
This is their song called “The Devils Song”
People, People, People...
You're sounding like a cheerleader, "Let's go team, Get a touchdown." But it is the players on the field that do the work
"Why can...?", "When are...?", " Why do...?", "Why do...?", "I AM READY TO TAKE BACK...", "Who is with me?"
See what I mean?
Q#1 - Why can? Multiple reasons but I have been involved in campaigns in one form or another. I hear people being 'too busy', even to talk to friends about the issues. My friends don't want to talk about politics. Heck, this is not about politics, it is about our lifestyle...
Jump to point 5 that you made; "I AM READY TO TAKE BACK...", Just now? See my response to your Q#1. Then to the ""Who is with me?"...
I am in NO WAY knocking you and I am glad to see your passion...
But each individual just needs to do the basics... Local elections, sit in on you city and county board meetings, voice your opinions, take fellow like minded people with you. When sitting at a bar, at a gas station, grocery store, etc.
Just make a comment, don't go politics, but just say something like; "Wow, this milk price has tripled and it's all because of increased feed, energy prices at the pastureization, fuel to transport to the stores. All this over regulation that forces the prices to go up. Jeez." Then walk away... That is but one way, but you get the idea.
Be active, not on the sidelines like a cheerleader.
Work on issues for the upcoming 2014 then onto
Lastly, set up another email account.
Subscribe to you local, state and federal officials newsletters/emails...
Stay up on them, let them know when they did right and wrong.
I have such an email just for that purpose...
Meanwhile smokers are paying BILLIONS in tobacco taxes every year.
How about just differ those tax revenues by smokers to smokers...
Wait... can't do that ... then they wouldn't have to pay ANYTHING for healthcare as the tobacco taxes alone are enough to cover the health insurance of every pack a day smoker in America; and that's a fact.
$17,267,568,000 was collected in local and state taxes nationwide in 2010.
$15,513,887,231 was collected in federal tobacco taxes in 2010.
That's $32,781,455,231 that could be spent directly to treat those who paid the $32,781,455,231; but it's not.
Couldn't find ANY article or report on government using their tobacco dollars to subsidize the treatment of the people they have profiting off of by killing.
I prefer reading everyone's views, yours and theirs. Everyone thinking the same way will get us nowhere. Who, what when, where, why? These are the basics of understanding any situation. Some people quote stats, some talk about personal experience.
My thought on this is that Obamacare opens the doors for all sorts of abuses of power. We know how the government often takes money from private citizens to give themselves pay raises and advantages for themselves and their friends and families. Did you see the article on Colorado's Senator Udall? It looks like they're setting themselves up to be another Kennedy family. Democrats are setting up a system of royalty and serfs, wiping out the middle-class (ironically all under the banner of equality).
If they choose to punish people for smoking, what stops them from punishing people who have dangerous hobbies? (Skydiving, rock climbing, etc...) What stops them from punishing people who do dangerous jobs? We know the government pencil pushers won't be punished... that's a safe bet. Everyone else is subject to the decisions of corruptocrats instead of being able to make their own choices.
You are right.. use the democratic process. However, it is important to be not only sure of your facts but sure you are being objective and hence seeing the truth.
Which nicely segways into:
According to the CDC Cigarette smoking generates 96 billion dollars in healthcare costs every year.
That is many times more than the tax revenue you referred to. It is the taxpayer (often through medicare) that often picks up much of that tab or other insured people through raised premiums.
But your point about prevention is good.. if for the wrong reasons. The government in this country quickly gets vilified for doing any kind of 'nudging' and control of its citizens. Think about the way banning large portion sizes for example was ripped apart as an assault on freedom. The problem is that if you apply critical thinking to the healthcare issue, you realize that it is not insurance companies.. not mythical government bureaucracy.. not fraud.. not outrageous salaries or any other of the popular talking points that are the number one problem behind cost. Instead, it is much more fundamental. We focus in this country on 'intervention' versus 'prevention'. THAT is why we spend so much and that is why our health outcomes are regularly lagging other countries.
To fix that though requires a mindset change. We need to realize that we literally cannot afford the 'choices' we think people should be allowed to make.
It is written ..... the last days are here ...so be prepared cause ohumma is going to swallow you alive if you aren't. but you can rest assured that he will be in his right place soon
we are with you til' hell freezes over .. If you love the America that you were brought up in... then stand and fight against the tyrants in DC and take back what is ours and do it with Pride and belief in our god and Son jesus Christ...... Amen
I'm with ya, but we're just the "little" people until election time comes around. Then, they'd better watch out. Gonna be a HUGE eye opener for a LOT of them.
As long as the Government uses the media as a propoganda tool and the Government run public school system keeps indoctrinating our youth with socialist minded ideology,nothing will change.Our public school system has created a low information voter culture.Knowledge is power,little history of our great country is being taught, it is being rewritten by the progressives.Uneducated populace equals a goverment that does not fear the people,which brings tyranny,a government that fears an educated populace equals liberty.
i'm with you. how do we get started?? don't count on the republicans they are dupes for the gov. and the democrats. we need a house cleaning at the congressional level.
Most all of us here are with you.. but things have to get a whole lot worse than they are now before American's wake up. You have to understand that there are millions of American's who watch mainstream media.. they haven't a clue of whats going on, they have been lied to and filled with half truths or told nothing at all! They are gullible and believe what they are told.. and if by chance they watch a conservative news channel they think we are fear mongering.. I have a Aunt.. one of the few liberals I know.. if you try to show her anything of Glenn Beck's, she says, she does not listen to all that fear mongering or lies that people like Glenn and Rush etc spew! It is mainstream media who causes us this headache. What you are saying will come.. but we are about to enter into a very dark and horrible world.. we will see some very horrible things happen before America will finally wake up. Obama is that darkness and all of his henchmen.. he sleeps with the Muslim Brotherhood.. they are his friends and he does not care that it is these types of people who killed over 3000 American's on 9/11. But rest assured, when the constitution hangs by a thread, it will be this people (good American's) who will step forward and save it. So hang on for a rollercoaster ride.. and prepare for the worst and hope for the best!
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When Americans fight for a cause they truly believe in. I will put my money on Americans every time!
I'm with you all the way
I hate to be a pessimist but its too late - Obama is a symptom not the whole problem.
We - The world have been living on debt for decades - Its over and the piper is calling - It is just a short matter of time before the world financial system collapses. There will be many wars and very possibly nuclear - these wars will be for resources - water food fuel etc.
The kings will be the local farmers and those that have seen this coming and have prepared.
So, the gubmn't is going to try to alter behavior by forcing people to pay higher prices for behaviors they don't like. Guess Ole Nanny Bloomberg is going to get the last laugh after all. Maybe when people see how much Obamacare is going to cost them they will take to the streets.
Ah, MostlyLib commented where he could not be replied to directly.
Let us take it as given, however, that he is right - the Government should be preventing nasty disease-causing habits like tobacco use and soda drinking.
MostlyLib - this must mean that you are ready, willing, and able to join those who wish to reimpose anti-sodomy laws? This is a behavior that is not taxed at all - and has a much higher social cost than smoking.
I don't expect a reply - you have moved on to the thread to equate not being able to marry someone of the same gender, or having anyone even object to it, to working the cotton fields under the overseer's whip.
Wrong name. All Liberal - not just Mostly.
I never could understand why the government wants to demonize smokers so much. Isn't it a smoker's right to choose? And since they, on average, die so much sooner than non-smokers, you'd think the Social Security Administration would be sending them thank-you notes.
Perhaps we can look to Egypt this one time? we would all look good outside the White House demanding obi be ousted for defying OUR Constitution.
Ironically, if you want to attack peoples moniker, you should start with your own since you keep 'observing' my gender incorrectly. I'm a woman..
Secondly.. I'm in two minds on whether to reply your sodomy comment since it is so patently foolish. I was talking about financial costs.. We could talk about social costs too but that would be rather off-topic and if you are seriously raising the issue of anti-sodomy laws in that regard, its quite clear that its not going to be a very intelligent 'debate'. Still if you feel have a serious point.. please clarify.
But take heart disease. Look at the cost of bypass operations and cardiac procedures. This easily can cost not in the tens of thousands but hundreds of thousands of dollars. Look at how much of this is preventable by tackling obesity and encouraging people to take more exercise and diet better. The savings are dramatic and thats just one tiny example. Just look at the numbers and do the math..
Lastly, I like this forum just because it is full of fierce right-wingers with often very intransigent and very extreme views. It is fascinating to see how such people construct their positions (usually very irrationally) and a challenge to see how to get such people to examine the logic underpinning their positions versus the selected facts/talking-points commonly used to defend them. I'm very 'Conservative' on immigration as one example where I veer off from normal Liberalism.
@Dadrocked: But when you're dealing with over 50% of the Country who do not understand or even give a hoot about what is taking place in this Country how do you get them to understand and get them to fight the crap that is going on??? There are people I talk to at work who have no clue what is happening. Do they care?? NO! How do you get them to fight for something they care nothing about??
TH777 - Blindside them... Limit your political views, everyone is concerned, like the next guy. Don't say what you have to say, twist it to what they want to hear.
If I said my beliefs you may not listen.
But if you know how I view things then twist it around. If I complain about my pay, then "yep, I hate those all of those damn regulations too man. They increase the costs of everything."
Tell me what I want to hear by twisting what you have to say...
We are, for the most part here, all in the same church, the same pew, the same book on the same page. Reiterating most of us here...
The 'ol squeaky wheel cliche'... The 'ol getting a bear with honey cliche'...
My views still at time slip out... But I've gotten a lot better... I put it they way that I would want to hear it...
Think of the late night show comedian out of Cleveland OH... Arsenio Hall...
He had a bit that the punch line was always.. "It makes you go hhmmmmm" as he puts his finger to his chin... Kill them with common sense...
Nobody can challenge common sense... Just nail with it subtlely...
Do not forget that the Government still subsidizes the growing of tobacco...smokers may be addicted to nicotine, but politicians are addicted to the $ it creates.
Freedom888 are you implying O is the antichrist? If so remember this: the antichrist will seem to solve all the world's problems, possess remarkable wisdom and work with Israel (that is, before he betrays them). Obama doesn't display any of those traits. He is yet another useful idiot we must endure while waiting for the Rapture.
"Freedom888 are you implying O is the antichrist? If so remember this: the antichrist will seem to solve all the world’s problems, possess remarkable wisdom and work with Israel (that is, before he betrays them). Obama doesn’t display any of those traits. He is yet another useful idiot we must endure while waiting for the Rapture."
That's for sure. O'idiot couldn't get out of his OWN way. I think he may be the one that creates, at least in part, the crisis that the antichrist comes in and ostensibly saves. I mean, we need a fairly big idiot to get that kind of job done.....I think he's up to the job. At best he's the antichrist's lawn boy.
July 3, 2013 at 12:27pm
What are you? Just another liberial ignoring facts to support your own agenda!!!! How sad, but don’t worry, the real god fearing Americans will still pray your ignorance will soon come to an end.
November 30, 2012 at 2:21pm
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 1:32pm
I can’t recall consenting or approving of any of this mess, ever, not once, in my life
Sadly GhostOfJefferson, we are becoming the minority thinkers in this nation. I am only 30 years and already I can’t recognize this nation from wha it was growing up as a child. I guess it is all part of His will and I pray that His plan will play itself out.
November 30, 2012 at 2:16pm
Sad that most people will chaulk this up to a coincidence. I will pray for him and his family.
so you think it is prophetic? seriously? this happens everyday to people on motorcycles, just a terrible coincidence
It may or may not have been prophetic, but nothing is a coincidence unless you believe that God has moments when He blanks out for a second or two. Of course, you may not believe in God at all in which case, never mind. Just keep eating, drinking and being all merry and stuff.
Are you serious?!
"...but nothing is a coincidence unless you believe that God has moments when He blanks out for a second or two"
That's among the most ludicrous and untenable theological positions I've ever heard! So presuming you are a Christian, do you believe in the "three omnis" asserted by most Christian doctrines about God's nature? That God is "omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent"? How do you reconcile that with a world in which countless children are born, through no one's apparent fault or conscious action (what common sense would call "unfortunate coincidence or happenstance"), with horrible congenital defects, drug addictions, AIDS or other communicable diseases, that cause intense and constant suffering and result in early death? According to you, it CAN'T be "just coincidence" or "mere chance" in other words--so is your God unable to do anything (or have done anything when He, supposedly, made it) about reality working in this way, does your God not know (or did not foresee) the reality's operation results in these things occurring, or is your God merely unwilling to do anything about reality resulting in gratuitous and whimsically distributed suffering?
You nailed it, PRAY. I think somebody pulled a Breitbart on him. I used to ride quite a bit, but I hadda sell my Sweetie that doubles as my av now. When I rode, I treated every enclosed vehicle as a potential threat. It's way too easy to get maimed or killed on a scooter. I used to laugh at those biker exploitation films of the early 70s, or even Mad Max. If you're in a car ahead of said gang and you see them coming in your rear-view mirror, you have your very own swerve-a-thon and thin their herd out considerably.
November 30, 2012 at 1:21pm
I wish I could handle my budget the way Americans are allowing this government (as a whole) to handle our countries budget. What a joke.
I can't recall consenting or approving of any of this mess, ever, not once, in my life.
Posted on November 30, 2012 at 1:32pm
I can’t recall consenting or approving of any of this mess, ever, not once, in my life
Sadly GhostOfJefferson, we are becoming the minority thinkers in this nation. I am only 30 years and already I can't recognize this nation from wha it was growing up as a child. I guess it is all part of His will and I pray that His plan will play itself out.
I don't think we're the minority. I think they want us to feel like the minority. Even if I am in the minority, that's fine. I am a Militia of One. If I'm the last man in this damned country, then so be it.
Yeah, only 30 and yes, there have been huge changes. Should have been around when I was in high school, compared to today it seems like a mythical time of liberty. And my elders tell me that I grew up not knowing freedom like they knew.
And not one person, not one, stood up and said "no more, no further, I stand here and will not give another inch" to stop us from landing here. Sadly, not even I did. Meh, bad mood today.
Jefferson- if you voted for Romney, McCain or Bush you voted for this mess.
Well then, I stand absolved! :)
November 28, 2012 at 9:33am
DOSEOFREALITY & JUNGLE J,
Do either of you recall when Obama said last year that Israel needs to go back to the pre 1967 borders. Take your blinders off. It is a shame and disgrace that athiests such as yourselves are becoming the majority in this nation, but then again it is in HIS devine plan.
October 16, 2012 at 12:48pm
Fear monger much!!!!
Give me a break. Maybe you should try some herb so you can relax a little bro.
October 16, 2012 at 12:45pm
So why not have something completely legal that grows straight from the ground? If GOD created it naturally ready for consumption, then why is it illegal. IT IS NOT A DRUG. It is more of a medicine than anything.
Alcohol is hard to make so it can be regulated, same with cigs and perscription drugs.
Weed grows ready to consume, no additives needed, like a freaking vegetable. If the government can’t make money off regulating it, then they will make money off illegalizing it. WAKE UP AMERICA!!
Where in the Bible does it say weed is bad?
October 16, 2012 at 12:33pm
Well said!!!! BRAVO!!!
October 16, 2012 at 12:28pm
Toke till you choke focusonquality!!!
October 16, 2012 at 12:11pm
People this is so simple of an argument. Unlike many of the other drugs being pumped throughout this nation, weed is the only drug that grows straight out of the ground ready for consumption. What other drug is like that? GOD gave man rule over everything on this earth, weed is on this earth naturally. NATURAL.
Some of the people on here are cring about how harmful weed is!!! ARE YOU SERIOUS? Check out perscription drugs, they are more dangerous and more abused than almost any other kinds of drugs. Weed is more of a medicine than a drug as well. Think of it the same way as Aloe Vera or spring onions or herbal teas or any freaking vegetable that grows straight out of the ground ready to consume.
The government can’t regulate it because it so easy to grow and so easily consumed, unlike tobacco, you don’t add anything to it. If they can’t regulate it to make money off of it, then they make it illegal to make money off of it. GET THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF YOUR DAY TO DAY LIVES!!!!!!!
Maybe we should get out of the middle eastern nations!!! Then we could give Israel more support to protect themsleves against the savages, which I know you don’t agree with. As for your comment that Jews are not with out sin, EVERYONE are born sinners. Also, maybe Muslims should just get over the fact that we took what was not rightfully theirs to begin with and gave it back to the rightfull owners. PERIOD.
October 15, 2012 at 2:17pm
Do you include the majority of politicians in your statements as well? Democrats and Republicans alike.
October 15, 2012 at 2:14pm
Give it a rest sketchy!!!!!
October 11, 2012 at 8:12am
That damn video is causing all kinds violence in the middle east. WHAT A JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 2, 2012 at 5:30pm
That worthless nation that you speak of is God’s land. That land was not settled upon when God designated that land to the jews, therefore your statement about my house is irrelevant. The palestinians flocked to that worthless nation when they found out jews were there to drive them out. The jews try to live peacefully with their neighbors, not the other way around.
As for the unconditional support for the jews and that worthless nation called Israel that most americans share, it is because the bible tells us to always support Israel and God’s chosen people.
I am a God fearing Christian and I try my best to be the best Christian I can be, as I pray most other Christians do as well, but I just don’t understand where your hatred comes from. Why do you support a people that is so violent towards others, so oppressive towards others, so hatefull towards others? They share the same hate for Israel that you do, WHY? You hate jews because of a few bad apples? If that is the case then you hate whites, blacks, chinese, japanese, you hate everyone. Please explain where the hatred comes from.
October 2, 2012 at 4:57pm
Jewish people didn’t just murder four americans in Libya, jews didn’t fly palnes into the world trade centers, jews don’t chant death to america and burn our flag, jews are not occuping land in Israel because God gave them that land.
With that said, jews do have some bad apples, as do muslims, but to put down an entire race/religon/denomonation is rediculous. Your hatred towards jews will be your downfall. Thanks for showing your ignorance Jerk.
October 1, 2012 at 1:44pm
This is not surprising in any way. They want a one world religon and will not stop because the koran tells them to do this crap. They will meet their maker soon.
You got that right! Religion of peace? Not.... Oh and the name of the one world religion is called Chrislam. Don't believe me. Do your own home work and look it up...
I'm just saying....