You need to spend less time reading Nazi fetish fan fiction.
 April 29, 2015 at 3:43pm
I suggest that you read more.
 April 29, 2015 at 3:36pm
“It’s people like yourself who have zero respect for people’s identities, Publius, as it’s y’all who keep trying to change them!”
Ha! What counter-intuitive up-is-down nonsense. I am not changing anyone’s identity, and neither is Jenner. Yet, somehow the idea that someone might be living their life in a way that you don’t agree with means that they are oppressing you! Logic doesn’t get much more tortured than that. It would be laughable if it wasn’t so damaging to young transgendered people who just want the chance to live their identities.
 April 29, 2015 at 3:32pm
Feel free to live your life however you like Report. I very much doubt that anyone is trying to stop you.
 April 29, 2015 at 1:33pm
Well, it seems like by that logic all the justices should recuse themselves, since all of them PARTICIPATED in heterosexual weddings.
a heterosexual wedding is not redefining anything.
a homosexual wedding is redefining everything.
Natural heterosexual weddings are not in question nor on the SCOTUS docket. The real issue is can "man" change what God has ordained. Legally maybe, but in reality, never.
For 200 + years the Law and Societal norms have defined marriage between a man and a woman...
No one cares what the gaays want to do, why can't they have Civil Unions which legally deem them Married without changing the "Historical" definition?? Because they don't want their very own definition, they want to FORCE Christians to change for THEM...This is INTOLERANCE and Civil rights violation on my Religion...
Pa-native - exactly. We know what the real agenda is. So either PubicPencil is a useful idiot or a Prog.
I'll go with Prog, leaning towards idiotville.
You're being idiotic. Heterosexual marriages celebrate and reflect the integral balance of opposing energies we see all throughout Nature-- in electricity, in cellular structure, in our very DNA. The historical and cultural precedent of marriage is solidly rooted in this principle, which only makes sense. Homosexual relationships are, by their very nature, opposed to this principle.
No one is saying same-sex couples should be denied equal rights, as they apply, including legal benefits. We're just saying don't change the meaning of marriage in the process, since to do so is a contradiction in terms.
Give them their own institution, leave marriage alone.
@pa_native -- Yes... for 200+ years women were the property of men. A man went to a woman's father and bought her for a price (called a dowry) to become his wife and mother of his children. The "Historical" definition of marriage HAS changed.
Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything by allowing for same sex marriage. Civil unions are not recognized federally and they leave the door open for same sex couples to be treated in states as second-class or secondary unions. If you're going to give them the same benefits and legitimacy as marriage then just call it marriage, it's easier on everyone
Publius.....interesting. Why don't we all just leave the definition of marriage as is since none of us is qualified to make an unbiased determination?
Thank you, Celt. I don't understand why their choice to defy the laws of nature, science, and God requires my participation, unless it's about feelings and validation, not legal rights. And since it will more than likely always be referred to as "GAY marriage," what will they have gained?
Pencilman - before using your (digital) pencil, you should use a dictionary to learn the difference between "Officiating" and "Participating".
Of course you already knew the difference, but it didn't fit your ideology, so facts do not apply.
 April 29, 2015 at 1:30pm
I think that many married Jews, Hindus and Muslims might be confused by that definition…
 April 28, 2015 at 8:16pm
Yes, how can we possibly have a free country when people are allowed to live life in what way they feel is right!
 April 28, 2015 at 8:15pm
Wiltsie, unfortunately your reasoned posts are thoroughly ignored by this crowd.
And we can debate whether Bruce Jenner is a hero or not for choosing to speak out. Jenner may not be a hero, but this conversation certainly has plenty of cowards–cowards who would rather spew ignorance and hatred than confront anything marginally different from what they believe.
 April 28, 2015 at 8:11pm
Why are you so invested in the idea that Bruce Jenner is a man? What does it take away from you to let another person live in a way that they feel fit? When did your personal notions of how you want people to live become more important than simply respecting people and their identities?
[-3] April 28, 2015 at 9:39am
“Babylonian nature worship theme.”
Haha. I see. So being an active steward of God’s creation is like Babylonian paganism?
[-6] April 28, 2015 at 9:38am
Yes, funny how you folks believe in religion and moral authority, as long as that authority is telling you that you can drive your SUV around all you want without caring about anyone or anything else.
Because if we just do what your kooky doomsday cult tells us,.. you'll be able to control the weather and climate right?
I'm sure you'll let us know when you need to move the goal posts again on your doomsday predictions. Too bad you guys couldn't be more like the Heaven's Gate weirdos. At least they left other people alone.
Now that was funny Cav.
Pubes is just a minion sent here to be an ass anyway.
 April 27, 2015 at 4:18pm
Clearly you know nothing about the Constitution, since the Religious Test Clause is a well-known part of the document:
“no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.”
[-9] April 21, 2015 at 6:01am
“You can’t save what you didn’t create”
Haha. Well, I wouldn’t go printing up any bumper stickers, because that phrase is just stupid.
And no, the biggest threat to the planet is not people trying to save it. You cherry-pick a few examples, while deliberately ignoring the enormous amounts of damage done on a daily basis by polluters.
And, once again, no. The earth was not created to “self-preserve.” I’d like to see the science you have to back this up.
 April 20, 2015 at 8:45pm
“What we are talking about is forcing an entire society to change their social mores and traditions to suit a handful of citizens who practice a certain fetish.”
It’s not a matter of changing your social mores or traditions. No one is asking you to be a homosexual. You just have to mind your own business and let other people pursue relationships they like.
 April 20, 2015 at 4:00pm
“While it’s ridiculous to deny this has gone on since time immemorial, it seems equally ridiculous to me to PROMOTE it in the way our society is doing today.”
To be fair, no one is asking you to seek out news articles about same sex marriage and comment on them. I suspect this would have little impact on your life if you didn’t actively pursue the topic.
 April 20, 2015 at 3:57pm
“The NAMBLA folks disagree with you that it’s abuse. They defend their desires in the same way that homosexuals defend theirs.”
So? It doesn’t matter if they don’t think it’s abuse–the law is clear on that. It doesn’t matter if they use the same kind of argument–it doesn’t apply, because abuse is different from a consenting adult relationship. It’s cut and dry.
 April 20, 2015 at 1:41pm
“So you support marriage between brothers and sisters, fathers and daughters, and males or females with with 200 spouses?”
No, but all these are heterosexual relationships, so that should be fine with you, right?
 April 20, 2015 at 1:36pm
Well, since pedophilia is a crime and clearly constitutes abuse, it’s obviously a very different thing.
Maybe it wasn’t your attitude he was reacting to–maybe it was the fact that you’re a moron.
 April 20, 2015 at 1:33pm
“I could be sexually attracted to a wall or my car.
Acting on my attractions it’s still a choice. I prefer it not be sanctioned or normailized by our society”
A relationship between two consenting adults is not the same as a sexual fetish for an inanimate object. Done and done.
 April 20, 2015 at 1:24pm
“But it demonstrates the fascist nature of the deviant sexual campaign”
And that would make the outlawing of same-sex marriage what?