User Profile: RealLiibertarian


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  • October 31, 2014 at 5:25pm

    You represent the problem exactly. Marriage is not owned by Christians. The word is used by most religions and by civil authorities. I would also point the number of Christian denominations that do perform gay marriages. Anglicans, Episcopalians, Congregationalists, Presbyterians, and some Lutherans. You represent one faction of one of the many different religions. This does not give you right of ownership of a word in common use.

  • October 31, 2014 at 4:40pm

    Socialismsux- the Constitution is set up so that a majority does not get to vote on the rights and freedoms of the minority. We are not a democracy, so the concept of majority rules is not an absolute. Sorry you don’t like that but take it up with Jefferson, Franklin, et al. As far as 1-3%, that may be the percentage of gays, but it is far from the number of people who agree with their right to marriage. I don’t know where you live, but where I am, most churches are just fine with gay weddings and it hasn’t been an issue. But again, how does it affect you personally, and, other than ick or religious factor, why should they not have every right that you or i have to be with the person of their choice?

  • October 31, 2014 at 4:13pm

    Interesting. So a perfectly legitimate wish for a good holiday gets thumbs down. This is the problem. I don’t care if you wish me a merry Christmas, why should my wish bother you?

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  • [1] October 31, 2014 at 3:13pm

    Socialismsux. I’m not an atheist so religion doesn’t bother me. As a Wiccan, I’m pantheistic so I have no problem with the concept that your God and mine can coexist. I’ve never advocated that any religion should be shut down. Just the opposite I want the school wall, town green, and public pulpit open to all no matter who is offended. What I do have a problem with is the fact that a large number of the Christian right want it all their own way. They refuse to accept that we have the right to be ok with a woman’s right to choose and gay rights and marriage. We have a right to reject the concept of sin and we have a right to reject censorship and restriction of society based solely on their concept of what society should be. Again, I don’t care how you live your life. We have the right to live ours, no matter how offensive you may find it.

  • [1] October 31, 2014 at 1:11pm

    Socialismsux how about you live your life and we live ours? I don’t have any need or desire to force you to live my way, why can’t you take the same attitude? I have no duty to preserve society or what you think society should be. Individual freedom is more important than the wants and needs of sociwty, government or religion

  • [-8] October 31, 2014 at 9:31am

    I don’t think so, Vofr. Christ was about love, kindness, the golden rule, and respect for others. Paul’s writings are ugly, all about rules, how women are subservient to men, how everyone should live. The Christian right takes far more from Paul’s writings than they do from Christ’s sayings.

  • [-3] October 31, 2014 at 9:16am

    Absolutely wrong, Woodyee. I don’t want anybody, from ANY religion telling me how to think, act, worship, or live. I don’t like the militant Islamists any more than you do, but, at this time, and in this country, they are not passing, or trying to pass laws that affect me. When they do, be assured that I will protest them just as much as I protest the Evangelicals who want to dictate how we all live. I have my own religion and my own Gods and Goddesses and I don’t need yours or theirs.

  • [-1] October 31, 2014 at 8:45am

    A Blessed and Happy Samhain to All here.

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  • [-5] October 31, 2014 at 8:42am

    Only thing we’re afraid of is the Evangelical right and their insistence that everything they consider ‘;sin’ and bad for the country, be banned or restricted. They ignore the fact that the 1st Amendment gives non Christians the right to different worship, different morality, and the right to ignore Christian standards.

  • [-10] October 31, 2014 at 8:37am

    Problem is, too many Christians on the right skip right over Jesus and go directly from Old Testament to Paul, who was a mean spirited mysoginist, not worthy of anybody’s consideration.

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  • [-1] October 30, 2014 at 9:02am

    Rob- absolutely not. The mayor and council passed an ordinance to enforce equality and the rights of the individual. I have no problem with that. You can believe whatever you want but you don’t get to discriminate because of your book of myths. Then the pastors got their panties in a wad because they no longer had control of the public pulpit and had to deal with reality. So they sued. I don’t care whjat your religion is and I don’t care what you personally believe, but the rights of the individual far outweigh any religious belief and secular law always trumps any religious book. If they’d left their preaching in church where it belongs, among the people who actually want to believe it, and not tried to shove their outdated morality on the rest of the city, this would never have happened.

  • October 29, 2014 at 11:31pm

    MakingOut- It’s not words that bother me. It’s this whole outdated morality crap that is being forced on us by the religious right. We fought damn hard in the 60′s and 70′s for freedom and we achieved a lot. Then, in the 80′s and since, a bunch of people who got their panties in a bunch because they didn’t agree with those freedoms have been pushing hard to reverse those freedoms. Reverse Roe, reverse gay rights and ban gay marriage, censor TV and the media, take books out of libraries, enact dress codes, close adult entertainment places- these are the goals of the religious Christian right and these are what I object to. I don’t care how they worship and I can ignore their preaching just fine, but when they go from preaching to actively trying to restrict the lifestyles of those they consider ‘sinners’, I have a problem. If your wife is a practicing Wiccan, no doubt you are familiar with the Wiccan Rede. “An ye harm none, do as ye will” As both a Wiccan and a libertarian, I object to government, society, or religion telling me how to live or what my morals should be.

  • [-2] October 29, 2014 at 6:54pm

    Yeah, OK Remove the post that makes you uncomfortable. Real adult.No, I’m not scared of Christianity. No, I’m not atheist, I’m Wiccan. I just object to being held to standards of a book that I don’t accept, and forced to accede to a morality and dogma that makes no sense. There are plenty of sane Christians out there who are not trying to ram their religion into secular law, and I am not scared of them and I have no problem with them. But you guys with your ‘return the country to God’ and ‘we’ll all suffer for the sins of the gays’ BS are creating your own problems. Why don’t you stop tryin g to convert or save the rest of us and we’ll stop the pushback against you. We didn’t have these problems until the rise of the (im)Moral Majority and Focus on the Family and there efforts to rule the country by Christian standards.

  • [-6] October 29, 2014 at 4:44pm

    Yeah, same thing you can expect from the Christian right. They have no respect for people who don’t believe their myths, but they demand that we respect and kow tow to them.

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  • [2] October 29, 2014 at 4:42pm

    And the pastors cannot tolerate those who think differently from them. What’s the difference? She may have been pushing the envelope on the 1st, but how about the pastors trying to limit the freedoms of the gays? They can preach all they want, but I think they crossed the line when they filed suit. Why couldn’t they be content with just preaching to the people who want to listen and leave everyone else alone?

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  • [-1] October 29, 2014 at 9:42am

    So a prude gets together with another bunch of prudes and decides to tell us all how to live and what our morals should be. Beck claims to be libertarian but he gets closer to supporting the nanny state every day. Society will evolve as it will. We do not need crusaders, religious nuts, and statists, to tell us how to live. We should all decide that for ourselves, based on what WE feel is good for us.

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  • [1] October 24, 2014 at 7:52pm

    Wow, reading comprehension- Not! First, it was not ‘a few’ it was most of the evangelicals in town who were blasting ecumenism, and, from what I read on this board, nothing has changed. Judging other Christian churches, calling them ‘light’ and ‘social’ or even ‘cults’. For a religion that claims peace and brotherly love, I don’t see it now and I didn’t see it then. Second, did you read the part about how I don’t care who, how, or what you worship? Most of us other religions or non hard core Christians just want to be left alone to follow our own path, without the constant condemnation from the right, and without you trying to dictate our lives by banning things that you consider ‘sin’. Most of us consider the Constitution a higher law than your Bible and we’d like to keep it that way. But you keep pushing the ‘bring the country back to Christ’ crap and you expect us to just accept it and not push back. As I said, stop trying to save and convert us all, live your own lives and stop trying to dictate ours, and you’ll find that the militant atheists have a lot less support.

  • [1] October 24, 2014 at 3:17pm

    Ok this is how I see it. I don’t care who, how, or what you worship. I used to be Christian, Episcopalian to be exact, quite involved in the ecumenical movement. Then the evangelical right started attacking ecumenism and none of it made sense anymore. I quit and was a long time without religion until I found Wicca. But the attitudes of the Christian right drove me away and keep me away. Look if you don’t like gay marriage don’t be in one. If you don’t like abortion don’t have one. If you dont like porn don’t watch it. If you don’t want to go to strip clubs, nude beaches, or swingers clubs don’t go. But stop trying to pass laws to stop others doing these things. There’s only a few crazed atheists that really want to eliminate Christianity but as long as you keep trying to force your narrow views on the rest of us, you are creating allies for the crazed and hurting your own cause.

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  • [2] October 24, 2014 at 1:10pm

    Yes and remember how the Christian right screamed about it and the public money involved. The Christian right is no better and no different than the militants atheists. They want things their way and their way only. Why can’t they just leave us alone to enjoy our sins and decadence and we’ll leave them alone?

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  • [1] October 24, 2014 at 11:28am

    I did any and all religions that tell other people, not of their faith, how they should act or what their morals should be. Individual freedom trumps religion.

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