Typical BS attempt to justify an out of date paradigm using bronze age mythology. Deal with it. Gay marriage, no marriage, and polyamoury are here to stay. No amount of preaching or praying are going to reverse freedom.
It may be here to stay, but no invented secular law will force people to accept it. Freedom is a two way street, pal. Deal with that.
Add to your mix the following: "Fools rush in where angels fear to tread", and, "You can't fix stupid". And "freedom without responsibility is anarchy".
NO SUCH THING AS GAY MARRIAGE.!
Properly Said Would Be "GAY PARTNERSHIP"
>>>>>YOU DEAL WITH IT<<<<<<
Satan’s language is to deceive...
Using stupid humans to abort themselves by mouth.
Hmmm these satanic trolls are speaking Abortion.
Serve whom you choose.
I’m not asking anybody to conform to anything that they don’t believe in and i expect the same respect in return!
P.S. > I RESENT THE (ISIS ) REMARK!
Addressing Your Question The Answer is No! Obviously That Is How You Want To Perceive It As a Comparison To How You Feel Others Think. I Myself Do Not Look At It That Way.
I Said “NO SUCH THING AS GAY MARRIAGE”.! Properly Said Would Be “GAY PARTNERSHIP”! The Consummation Of Marriage Is The Union Of A “Man & A Woman” This Is My Belief And I’m Sticking To It!!
>>>>>YOU DEAL WITH IT!
Have A Nice Gay , I mean Day …..
[-6] May 5, 2016 at 3:05pm
Franklin and Paine. and Jefferson.
[-5] May 5, 2016 at 3:03pm
Eda, I know exactly what a libertarian is. I also know that we scare the crap out of the Christian right and they will do whatever they can to shut us down. It is not the libertarians who are calling for Roe to be reversed, or the gay marriage ruling to be repealed, or censorship of media and games, or the war on drugs to be continued, or adult entertainment places to be closed, or for dress codes to be instituted, or for any number of other things that the Christian right wants prohibited or restricted because they feel they are ‘sin’. I don’t care what, who, or how you worship. Knock yourself out. But leave me and others alone, don’t come trying to ‘save’ me, and don’t get the idea that we will let you tread on our sinful freedoms. We have just as much right to be sinful and hedonistic as you do to be pious and upright. You really should try to understand that whole ‘free will’ concept and stop your efforts to limit it.
[-2] May 5, 2016 at 2:50pm
Whose God? Yours or mine? And before you start with the ‘only one God’ bit, let me remind you that there is absolutely no proof for any god. My faith is just as valid and strong as yours. This country was founded on the principles of freedom and the Enlightenment. Let me also remind you that the Bill of Rights contradicts at least 6 of the commandments, so how do you justify saying that it was founded on christian principles?
[-3] May 5, 2016 at 2:44pm
Let’s not forget trying to wipe out the native Americans, starting wars we have no business in, and permitting corporate greed to put people into destitution and bankruptcy. But yeah, transgender bathrooms and sex outside marriage is going to be the tipping point. Idiots!
 May 5, 2016 at 2:35pm
Your ‘deviant behaviour’ and ‘immorality’ are other people’s freedom. The freedom that is guaranteed in the First Amendment. You do not have the right to override that based on your personal beliefs. Your Bible is not the law of the land, neither is it the only holy book in this country.
One day you will have to face Him with that attitude. It’s never too late though, well until it is. You can believe anyway you want, but this country was found on my principles and I intend to keep them. Our unalienable rights in this country are given by God.
Whose God? Yours or mine? And before you start with the 'only one God' bit, let me remind you that there is absolutely no proof for any god. My faith is just as valid and strong as yours. This country was founded on the principles of freedom and the Enlightenment. Let me also remind you that the Bill of Rights contradicts at least 6 of the commandments, so how do you justify saying that it was founded on christian principles?
Because I can write a book about our founders including GW, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and on and on speaking about Jesus Christ and how if this nation does not remember on which rock it was founded on it would be a “nation gone under” Look it up. There are more quotes from them than I could quote in a day. Sorry, it doesn’t fit with your narrative, but I didn’t make it up, it’s just a fact.
http://christianity.about.com/od/independenceday/a/foundingfathers.htm Here's some for starters
Franklin and Paine. and Jefferson.
1st amendment is your pal at sometimes but most of your posts you are flatly denying the 1st amendment as in, it's okay for you to gripe but not someone else to gripe, you can put a penis in your rectum but I have no right to tell you it could lead to disease and death, you can believe in Global Warming but if I deny it you sue, gripe, complain and file litigation to try to make me believe in Global Warming. You sir are not a libertarian, not even close because they believe in live and let live. You obviously want to quell anyone who doesn't agree with your opinion with any act that comes to mind.
There can only be one God.
RealLib, let’s see those arguments for the existence of yours?
As you know by now there's no argument for the existence of a god outside the ones you use to convince yourself.
You linked to a Christian website to support Christian claims? Fascinating.
You linked to a Christian website to support Christian claims? Fascinating."
Translation: I have no way to refute what you just said so I'm going to ad homina the source instead rather than use my own source, prove you wrong, or both.
Well done, blink. Do you just post to post, or are you trying to say something?
My comment was to RealLib, Blinky, who stated "Whose "god"? Yours or mine?".
Not withstanding your ignorance you once again display a complete "lack" of reading comprehension.
Blink. Why is that fascinating exactly. It doesn't matter where the website came from.. The quotes r real and easily found on hundreds if not thousands of sites
Well since we can use any website we want now and don't have to come up with anything unbiased or credible, there you go.
Go through all 35 points and address them individually or you 'can't refute' them.
Perhaps if I was being paid to do it, I would ;)
However, I am not the one here being paid to troll....
blink, I don’t hate those quotes as the article stated.. Nothing in that article changes the fact that every quote I gave you is real and 100% accurate..Sorry…I feel bad that you are trying so hard to change something that can never be changed. They said it…revisionist history is for liberals
These are common arguments coming from atheist.
I have, on this site, cited the discussions between Hamilton and Jefferson and presented that the idea proposed in the first amendment was to protect the individuals right "not" to believe, participate or observe any religious or theist ideology "not his own" which includes none and at all by force or intent of "government", or inhibit, impede the free (peaceful) exercise there of.
1. Government cannot establish any state religion and force its adherence.
2. Religious differences should "exist" peacefully. Liberalism in the qoute is meant in the "Classical" sense: a political ideology and a branch of liberalism which advocates civil liberties and political freedom with representative democracy under the rule of law and emphasizes economic freedom.
3. Equal "justice" (protection of) under the Law. 14th Amendment
4. No person(individual) in the US can claim authority from from God.
5. There is no doubt that the identity of those who settled and founded this nation were Christian and created a society based on those principles and tenets which includes the freedom of the individual to live his live according to his own will and not that of any government, Christian or secular, among the many, who force any ideology on the individual against their will. (which is fundamentally impossible and understood by the founders Christian or not).
Dinner time will continue.
Well done, everyone.
We will continue blink's tutoring in the next faith topic....probably until one of us keels over from old age, knowing this guy's obsession with this website.
(and we aren't the only website that has the misfortune of being his punching bag, apparently)
Blinkblind, as is typical, pulls websites out of ass believing that a “blog” or author has the wherewithal to make dependable claims without sourcing the information.
Blinkblind rejects philosophy yet pulls an article which is just full of quotes with a compelling title. Now either Blinky is a fool, which I suspect, or he his such a zealot in his ideology he accepts anything, whether valid or not, which he convinces himself supports his ideology. Something he repeatedly accuses Christians of.
You can’t even find out who “Stephen D. Foster Jr.”, the author, is except that he’s a democrat and writes political articles for “Addicting Info” committed to discrediting “right-wing myths”, whatever that is. A recent article title: “The Satanic Temple Trolls Anti-Abortion Fanatics Into Stunned Silence”, should tell you all you need to know about the website and Blinknuts desperation. I crap better stuff. This Stephan prog dude, doesn’t even bother to understand why, where and when these quotes were directed and associated to.
I will continue to respond to each of each of the 35 quotes Stephan prog ass dude and, by proxy, blinkums, mis-characterize just in case either are looking to be educated by a poor sailor and grunt with a little time on his hands to make atheists and liberals look like the idiots they never fail to expose themselves to be.
Once again, this guy Stephan, anti-Christian prog ass, just compiled a list of quotes and put an eye catching Title to it. Sorta like someone sticking a "parfume" label on a bag of crap.
I would like to add to numbers 4 and 5 a moment.
4. Here John Adams is defending the Constitution. Here Adams is commissioned to defend the Constitution by addressing questions stimulated by the writings of Anne Robert Jacques Turgot, the Abbé De Mably, and Dr. Richard Price, in letter form.
The quote addresses the question of a monarchy wherein a single individual claims authority as a decree directly from God, or anointed by God. This was a direct response to kings of Europe, and the Pope that the US would not be a monarchy. That the US is governed by three co-equal branches of government. The Defense must be taken as a whole where Adams goal is to defend the Constitution by given rationales for its validity to people unaccustomed and hostile to democracy and people rule.
Number 5 is from the "Treaty of Tripoli" which had one function to stop muslame piracy and the enslavement of American citizens off the Barbary Coast.
The quote continues;
"...as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion ortranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or actof hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretextarising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmonyexisting between the two countries.”
What that line in the treaty means is that the United States is not a Christian nation by "law". In response to attacking pirates who came from tribes and nations with state religions and saw Christian sailors as coming from a Christian nation since that is how their customs, culture and governments functioned.
6. answered in #4 except is extended to each state individually and its governing bodies.
7. Individuals should live peacefully, without force, regardless of ideology. (also a Christian precept)
8. Addressed in my opening.
Liberaltarian - Considering how you're praising Europe over America when us Americans kicked Europe out, us Americans don't care what you have to say. Anybody with a brain knows that you're a socialist loser who wants to make the US as bad as Europe. Those of us with brains know that capitalism and Christianity are the backbone of Western civilization that you socialists are trying to destroy.
What those who love Jesus Christ are stating is that the people of the world have their only reward both in life and in death because it is appointed unto every man and woman to die once (slowly or suddenly) then their own righteous judgement for their decisions and deeds will be brought to light by their own mouths. However, sin is a disease and it affects everyone around them so Christians must be forewarned that they do not allow contamination of the worlds disease to make them ill. Real truth is: Born once. Die twice. Born Twice. Die Just ONCE.
 May 5, 2016 at 11:54am
P3P. Yes, I think all 501C tax breaks should be eliminated. What we have seen, mostly in the south, is a Concerted attempt to push Christianity while trying to hold back other faiths and non faiths. Schools ignore laws demanding neutrality so they can push their evangelical bull****.
 May 5, 2016 at 11:26am
And yet, both state and fed pass laws that exempt churches from taxes, that exempt them from equal opprtunity laws, that accept clerical immunity in trials. How are these not laws that aid religion? Then, look at laws that target certain religions- animal sacrifice for Santerians, sky clad worship for pagans, even Muslim calls to prayer. Finally, look at the advantages given to Christianity like the right to exclude non Christians from the high school microphone, the podium at public meetings, or the town green at holiday times. Government ignores the establishment cause as a matter of course.
 May 5, 2016 at 10:27am
Not to hear the Christian right and the Dominionists tell it.
 May 5, 2016 at 10:26am
Yeah, that 3/5 of a person thing and massacring the native population were both sooooooo godly.
Yet another progtard who fails to understand the 3/5ths clause...and, who feels the need to pick centuries old scabs to draw ridiculous moral equivalences.
Do you know nothing about history? 3/5 compromise was to limit Southern voting power in the hopes of eventually eliminating slavery through the addition of future free states. Had to go to war over that one you may have heard of the civil war. We still aren't treating native Americans fairly.
Mock if you like. But even a brainless liberal like you can't honestly look around and deny that your failed liberal policies are on the verge of destroying America. Way to go. Thanks. Hope you enjoy living in a 3rd world country.
 May 5, 2016 at 10:10am
I’ve been arguing that we should cut all ties to Saudi since long before 9/11. These are the people pushing the worldwide califate crap.
[-2] May 5, 2016 at 10:05am
Religious freedom is never about eliminating persecution and discrimination. It’s about who gets to do the persecuting.
You sound like you want your turn now RealLiberace.
Why, is it your turn?
You do realize the Inquisition is over?
GetReal : So having religious beliefs makes one a ' persecutor ? ' Strange twist in an old word meaning. But then, you Lefties , do love your ' fundamental transformations ! '
So you feel like it's your turn to do the persecuting.
 May 5, 2016 at 10:03am
So they are worse than others, agreed. Does that mean we should give a pass to the less bad?
 May 5, 2016 at 9:37am
Bu**er their Islamic traditions. No religion, let me repeat that, NO RELIGION has the right to control or place restrictions on anyone not of that religion. Islamic, Jewish, Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, whatever. Their rules, morals, and doctrine apply only to those people who belong to that religion and wish to comply.
These folks kill people that dont comply....just throwing a fact out there for ya Lib...
Ammo up and prepare to defend your freedom.
Research "Salafist". They are the group the Saudi's call on to do their dirty work because they are so vicious.
May 2, 2016 at 11:30am
Ah, but I do like western civilisation, just not what has developed in the US in the last 30 years or so. We were doing fine back in the colonial days, back in the days of the old west, and even back in the 20′s. Came the end of WWII and there was a rebirth of American puritanism. We fought that in the 60′s and won. Since then, though, there has been a concerted effort to take back the freedoms that the 60′s and early 70′s gave us. Western civilisation is great, it affirms the freedom of the individual. Current Christian right wing ideals seek to roll back those freedoms and to take civilisation backwards.
 May 2, 2016 at 11:16am
There is a difference between hearing something and being forced, at point of law, to comply. divorce laws, for instance, are based on Christian ideals. Infidelity is part of it, even though other religions have no proscription against it. Child support is based on the Christian idea of what family should be and slanted towards the woman. The whole gay debate is being fought based on Christian proscriptions. I am perfectly capable of ignoring speech, and I do so, most of the time. I am not free to ignore laws that are passed to support the Christian idea of what a family should be or what society should be. I don’t care what, who, or how you worship, but please stop engineering society to one particular point of view, and let people live however they wish.
[-1] May 2, 2016 at 11:02am
But what about the non Christians, the athiests, and those who just don’t care (the nones)? What about their First Amendment rights to practice something other than Christianity? The first Amendment is quite clear about not establishing a national religion, but it seems the Christian right is determined to do exactly that. 70 years ago, it was not a big issue since 99% of the US was Christian, but with world travel being common, immigration of non Christians, and the internet’s information revolution, that is no longer the case. Most people are not saying that you don’t have the right to be Christian and to worship as you wish, but there are many of us who are saying that we are not Christian, and the First Amendment gives us the right to be free from Christian ideals, dogma, and morals. What about existing and worshipping for yourselves and not forcing the rest of us, explicitly or not, to comply?
The first amendment does not make give you "...the right to be free from Christian ideals, dogma, and morals". It gives you the right to follow your own or not, but not to be protected from hearing any other speech.
I don't think you realize that without Christian moral or ideals, you would not be as free to be whatever you choose to be or to believe. It is precisely because of the ideals and morals of Christianity that this nation was created in the way it has been. To discount or undermine Christianity, to lessen its hold and influence on the people of this nation is to put YOUR freedoms more at risk then any other thing you could possibly do.
You say, "Most people are not saying that you don’t have the right to be Christian and to worship as you wish..." However, many ARE doing just that, and they're the ones in power. Therefore, I think Christians have a right to be very concerned about the way things are heading. And, by the way, no one is forcing atheists and other non-believers to conform to a Christian worldview. No one is forcing them to run THEIR businesses by Godly standards, but governments all over the country ARE beginning to persecute Christian business owners by forcing them to operate their businesses in a way that violates their deeply-held beliefs. That's where the problem is. Also, note that since the country has become more and more populated and run by non-believers, the country has been regressing (a.k.a. falling apart) in almost every area. Coincidence? I think not.
Real Lib: It has been said time and time again that there are no atheists in the trenches.
Food for thought.
Would you like to know how that “information revolution” is working out for the “atheist”.
Christianity 14.2 million hits
islame 15.8 million hits
Equals 30 million hits
Atheist 9.9 million hits
Pick your poison. I keep warning you about your western bias!
What are you talking about? You’re expressing your freedom right now! What you are free from is being forced to be a Christian or forced to participate in any organized activity, whether religious or otherwise.
And, trust me, Lib, if you had your way, you would be more than willing to participate in eradicating Christianity from the minds of men if given the chance.
There's your information revolution.
What about me? What about me?
No-one is taking away your right not to believe. No-one is forcing you to do anything.
Your right to not believe is guaranteed by First Amendment. The point is that if "we" do not stand up for the First Amendment and allow PC non-sense to trample on it against Christians, eventually, it will be trampled on against "nones."
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
This nation was founded on principles that make it unique for unbelievers. Only here are people truly free. This is because our nation was founded on principles found in the Bible. People are made in God's image, trully free. This freedom includes the ability to reject. God never had it otherwise.
What do you mean by "...the right to be free from Christian ideals...?"
What do you mean by "...forcing the rest of us, explicitly or not, to comply?"
[-11] May 1, 2016 at 9:45am
I don’t deny that the country and much of the world is heading down hill. Whether it’s the Muslims in the middle east and elsewhere, or the Christian right in this country and elsewhere, they are trying to prevent us from advancing in the 21st century. We are no longer an illiterate tribal society in a harsh environment, which is the basis of all three Abrahamic religions. Time to get those ideas out of government policy everywhere and start thinking of logic, science and freedom as our national goals.
[-8] May 1, 2016 at 9:39am
Yeah, auto correct is a bitch. I would hire people from tech schools if I really want a job done. College degrees are pretty much useless in the business world. MBAs are idiots and HR degrees have no clue. Even engineering degrees have no clue how to translate their book learning into producing something on the shop floor. We need college degrees to maintain our historic culture, history, art and music. Beyond that, I see no point.
[-3] May 1, 2016 at 9:34am
So, women should stop wearing pants and dress only in long skirts and headscarves? Because that’s what you are proposing when you say men should only dress as men. It works both ways. We should all use a single bathroom. Separate facilities is a stupid idea to begin with.