User Profile: RealLiibertarian

RealLiibertarian

Member Since: June 11, 2012

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  • [4] April 23, 2015 at 1:24pm

    This may be a nation made up mostly of Christians, but it is most certainly NOT, per the founding fathers, a Christian nation. There is a difference.

  • [12] April 22, 2015 at 7:51am

    The right of privacy of the individual, and the 4th Amendment protections, are far more important than any any government security needs, especially in regards to criminal activity. The Patriot Act, and all its spin off programs, needs to be repealed immediately, and the activities of DHS radically cut back. Where are all of the supposedly small government GOP congresspeople on this, and why are they not proposing such cutbacks?

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  • April 17, 2015 at 9:06am

    Define ‘protestant’. Does this survey truly involve all protestants.5 including Congregationalists, Episcopalians, and Presbyterians? The use of the word ‘pastor’ is a giveaway that only evangelicals may have been asked and they are not the only protestants.

  • April 16, 2015 at 11:27pm

    Then why do I see so many of your people trying to to force your dogma into law? Why are they trying so hard to legislate their morality and outlaw anything they consider sin? If there is so much live and let live, why are you all so concerned about what we do, and with whom?

  • [1] April 16, 2015 at 8:49pm

    The problem with the Christian Right is that it does not recognise the fact that religious freedom goes both ways. You have the right to worship however you wish and not get involved in other people’s rituals. But that goes for us, too. We have the right to reject the idea that marriage is solely a religious term. We have the right to reject Christian sexual morals. You are not better than other religions, not more special. You demand respect for your faith while refusing to respect other faiths and non faiths. It doesn’t work that way. You will get exactly as much respect as you give.

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  • [-2] April 15, 2015 at 9:25am

    More BS about the children. Marriage is about more than procreating. Many people have made the choice to be free of the burden of children. More make that choice every day. I’m sick of all the hand wringing and whining about “for the children”. They are not the only thing, nor even the out important thing in the world. Adults have rights too, and should not be overruled by the spawn

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  • [5] April 4, 2015 at 3:25pm

    Joose- there is one very short answer to your post. You do not get to determine who is Christian and who is not. Catholics, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Mormons and other Christian sects that are the object of scorn around here have just as much right to the title of Christian as you do. Perhaps the Catholics even more so, since they were the first. So yes, it is the Conservative Christian Right that has done so much to split us. The New Puritanism that unfortunately started in the 80′s has much to answer for. You may not like the new morality, but you have no right to try and prohibit it, as has been the goal of the CCR. Under the First Amendment, we have just as much right to sin, to be immoral, and to live hedonistic lives as you do to be pious. After the freedoms hard won in the 60′s and 70′s, the CCR went on the offensive to try and reverse those freedoms, to try and, in their words, ‘take back America for God’. Had they left the situation alone and not tried to re inflict their dogma and morality on the rest of us, this would not be happening. But they did, and what the CCR now calls persecution in this country, is nothing more than the pushback of the rest of us saying that we will not go back to the days when Christianity made the rules.

  • [3] April 4, 2015 at 8:46am

    Finally, marriage is not a wholly owned rite of the Conservative Christian Church. There are Christian churches that perform gay weddings, there are other religions with their own marriage rites, and there are plenty of secular weddings. The CCR has been disrespectful of all of these, and of all other religions prior to this being an issue. There was, at one time in this country a couple of decades ago, a strong ecumenical movement. I’ve seen this derided and disrespected on this site many times. You want respect for your views. When have you ever respected anyone else’s views? Why do you fight so hard to keep other faith messages off the town green, the school wall, and the courthouse doors? Other people have exactly the same right to their other Christian, other faith, and non faith beliefs. The First Amendment gives them exactly the same rights and protections that you enjoy, but you are always quick to try and suppress those rights. This letter may be a call to respect each other point of view, but in the final analysis, the Conservative Christian Right will get exactly as much respect as they give.

  • [6] April 4, 2015 at 8:39am

    Oh, so many points. First, how does anyone know which businesses are faith based and which will refuse to provide for gay weddings? Its not like they put that sign in the window or in the yellow pages. So the whole ‘targeting’ issue doesn’t make sense. Next, there are just as many idiots on the other side. Calls for bills to promote the execution of gays, calls to require mandatory church attendance, calls to imprison gays, laws to prohibit any marriage not performed in a church, and the big one, calls for an amendment banning gay rights and gay marriage. So for all the people on the left who may make a big deal out of being refused, there are just as many on the right who are taking their side of it way too far, also. This is not a one way street. Next, I support any business in their right to serve whoever they wish, within the law. Note that last phrase, ‘within the law’. That is where these companies fail. Lawsuits and charges have been lost, not on religious grounds, but on the fact that these businesses have disobeyed public accommodation laws, laws that say you can not discriminate against anyone. Freedom of religion does not give you the right to disobey the laws you don’t like. Contrary to some people’s belief, the secular Constitution and law ARE above the Bible . To believe otherwise is to go the way of sharia. continued below.

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  • [-5] April 3, 2015 at 1:09pm

    Jack. Freedom and religion are opposites. I want people to be free to live however they wish without interference from government. Everyone is free to believe what they wish. No one is free to use their religion to restrict the freedoms of any other individual.

  • [-3] April 3, 2015 at 1:03pm

    Don’t like the truth Joshua? I’ll post it again. Christians are the ones who want force of government by trying to pass laws that ban whatever they consider sinful, immoral, or hedonistic.

  • April 3, 2015 at 11:35am

    Joshua. Is that not what the right wing Christians are doing when they want to pass laws outlawing what they see as immoral or hedonistic behavior?

  • [-11] April 3, 2015 at 9:40am

    Yes. Whining and crying discrimination, as usual. Not being allowed to foist your silly, outdated moral structure on the rest of us is NOT persecution.

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  • [4] April 2, 2015 at 11:28pm

    Not even close, Granny. Don’t like Obama, don’t like the insurance debacle, and I believe in the 2nd A. But I don’t think religion should trump individual rights. Religion has controlled people for too long, that is the purpose of religion, to produce a quiet, conformist population. I don’t believe in Christianity, and I don’t intend to be controlled by your rules. Christianity is no better or more deserving of protection than any other religion. My religion, Wicca, has been persecuted by Christians for milennia , but I don’t hear Christians calling for protection for us. Start respecting other religions and even more moderate Christian sects, and you may get some respect back. Until that time, you deserve neither respect nor protection.

  • [14] April 2, 2015 at 7:23pm

    You’re still trying to persuade people that it was no different, when that’s been debunked a bunch of times. This law went further that the others and you know it.

  • [32] April 2, 2015 at 7:08pm

    So it was clarified to prevent it’s use as a tool for discriminating where there is no religious component, and no government involvement, and you are all bitching and whining. Kind of proves that you DID want to be able to use it to discriminate against whatever bunches your panties. When will you get it that the world has moved on, sane people don’t care who is gay, and your hard line, evangelical religion is no longer valid?

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  • [-8] April 2, 2015 at 8:06am

    No, Patty. What you don’t get is that religious freedom runs both ways. It gives us the right to ignore your Christians dogma and morality, things that make no sense in an enlightened, educated society. Sin is a ridiculous concept, created by man to control man. Look at the statistics. Younger, educated people do not accept the snake oil and control you are selling. Your definition and claim to marriage was a lie to start with and it no longer applies.

  • [-13] March 29, 2015 at 7:15pm

    John- same applies if we want to hold our Wiccan Circle in the park next to your church picnic. Funny how that works both ways, innit?

  • [-9] March 29, 2015 at 6:57pm

    More of that Christian love. Jesus WOULD be proud.

  • [-19] March 29, 2015 at 6:36pm

    FFT- guess you think the 1st only goes one way. Let me remind you that, as well as protecting your right to worship as you will, it also protects the rest of our right to ignore your beliefs and morals.

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