When do the ends justify the means? What if they were sent to the school to distract security while their confederates entered for some other illegal purpose? Detaining them until it was absolutely clear no other activity had taken place was appropriate. If they had been decoys and were released the second guessing talking heads would have been all over it. Claiming “I am a reporter.” is not a pass on illegal activity. Most schools have signs instructing visitors. Ignoring the signs is trespass. Intent lies in ignoring a locked door for which they did not have a key or a pass.
June 16, 2013 at 7:32am
Properly trained police learn techniques of verbal de-escalation in order to avoid physical confrontations. Without all of the facts it is not possible to determine if the LEO was incompetent or was playing out a personal agenda. If he/she allowed an eight grader to control the “investigation” it begs the question of the LEO’s qualification to carry a weapon on school property without potentially misusing it.
June 10, 2013 at 4:02pm
Why would he have picked HK if he didn’t want to be in contact with the PRC?
CIA World Factbook
“Hong Kong became the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region (SAR) of the People”s Republic of China on 1 July 1997. In this agreement, China promised that, under its “one country, two systems” formula, China”s socialist economic system would not be imposed on Hong Kong and that Hong Kong would enjoy a high degree of autonomy in all matters except foreign and defense affairs for the next 50 years.”
June 6, 2013 at 1:52pm
This is much ado about nothing. Bad guys have always known how to defeat handcuffs. My father was a military criminal investigator.and always said the search of a prisoner was more important as was never leaving them alone when cuffed. I know two ways to defeat standard police handcuffs, which by the way are all keyed alike. The police have extra security devices and high security cuffs available when necessary. Standard cuffs are designed to be temporary and quick to apply.
May 30, 2013 at 6:58pm
There may be a video and the fee-bee may have kicked him under the table to provoke a violent response. It has been known to happen.
May 30, 2013 at 6:56pm
I have heard LEO’s talk about personal knowledge of others who provoked suspects into violent outbursts just so they could do a beat-down.. Maybe this guy was just too good. I am also surprised that the interviewer was armed. Bad policy but understandable. I know defense attorneys who regularly ask that LEO’s testifying in court be unarmed just to make them feel uncomfortable. There is way more to this story and dead men tell no tales.
May 18, 2013 at 8:08am
There are places in this country where the thought of defending yourself with a firearm is more frightening than the thought of being robbed. There are jurisdictions where the homeowner would be charged because he/she left a location of safety (the closet) and wantonly and recklessly precipitated the armed confrontation. Sad but true.
May 18, 2013 at 8:00am
The laws concerning trespass on infrastructure sites are designed to keep innocuous trespassers like poachers away. “Catch and release” may be a good idea for trout.
It is not the actual harm they can cause but the distrust they can create in the general population. That is what terrorism is all about. TSA plays into the hands of terrorists by constantly reminding us we are at risk. The 9/11 hijackers spend thousands of dollars and we have spent billions to counter the last threat not the next one.
Trespassing on infrastructure sites must mean jail time. Airports, rail yards, dam sites, power distribution hubs, water works…..successful attacks on these will fundamentally change how we live.
April 23, 2013 at 12:43pm
Bloomberg makes the cse for calling this “terrorism: in the long accepted definition that is a act designed to cause political change. The bad guys spend hundreds of dollars and society reacts by spending billions of dollars to protect us fro the last kind of event not the next kind of event. We will spend ourselves to death and be no safer. We will surrender our liberty and be no safer. We are on a slippery slope listening to politicians who tell us what we want to hear – they know what is best for us. The older brother had several interactions with authorities and came to the attention of the Russian security apapratus. They thought he was dangerous enough to warn us about him – I could never conceive of writing about the Russians being that helpful. Congress should talk to the FBI agents who interviewed him and the Immigration agent who denied him citizenship.
April 22, 2013 at 6:24pm
If you listen to the police radio tapes you would know that they were using rubber bullets to distract him. It was probably very disorienting with rubber bullets and flashbangs. When he had enough he complied with their instructions. Remarkable restraint by the FBI HRT.
April 22, 2013 at 12:42am
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April 21, 2013 at 6:50pm
And the government could not actually ban them so it taxed them. FDR used the taxing authority of the Congress to avoid a 2nd Amendment challenge.
April 21, 2013 at 2:09pm
I wonder how the guy who was carjacked feels about being protected by vast numbers of heavily armed police in the Boston area? Did he feel helpless or confident in his own safety knowing that the police were only minutes away?
April 20, 2013 at 9:44pm
Did he take the oath of naturalization to conceal his real intentions?
“I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the armed forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.”
February 15, 2013 at 10:53pm
Unless you are targeted in error. Ask two Asian women delivering newspapers. When government has unlimited power it will use it. Try putting the genie back in the bottle.
February 3, 2013 at 9:40am
No one has postulated the “piloted suicide bomb”.
October 12, 2011 at 2:58pm
October 4, 2011 at 3:49pm
Too many LEO’s believe any contact with the public is an opportunity for an arrest. Seat belt laws as a primary reason for a traffic stop is a good example. Only insurance companies and LEO’s want seat belt laws. Not using a seat belt is a good example of natural selection. If stupid people choose not to use seat belts and die, the gene pool is improved. I have always been interested in the “inventory” pretext and why it has not been taken to the level of Miranda.
September 29, 2011 at 8:19am
Mohamed Atta’s apartment in sleepy Venice FL was just down the street from the old Ringling Bros winter quarters. I guess clowns and terrorists do go together. Atta and friends (not just the other two who trained to fly here) were quite comfortable in small town America. I remember seeing them fishing out at the jetty. They can be anywhere.
September 16, 2011 at 1:42pm
Add a CD broken in half, both pieces are double pointed and very sharp.