User Profile: rx4nv


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  • September 19, 2014 at 3:11pm

    You also state the Trinity cannot be “one in essence and inseparable” (Christian teaching), and “three separate gods” (Mormon teaching) at the same time. Only one can be true, and only one is “Christian” teaching.

    Once again, you can have both. These are not mutually exclusive statements.

    God the Father, God the Son and the Holy Ghost (the Trinity) must be inseparable in the way they think, act and behave. Otherwise, they would contradict one another and cease to be the Trinity. However, that does not mean they cannot be 3 distinct entities.

    My wife and I are one in essence and inseparable in the ways we teach and discipline our children. But she can go shopping while I go to work, because we are 2 distinct entities. So I fail to see how only one of your statements can be true.

  • September 19, 2014 at 3:03pm

    You state that Christians believe God cannot be “uncreated”. You then state that Mormons believe God was “created”. You then try to conclude that only one of these statements can be true. WRONG, they actually can agree with each other. “God cannot be uncreated” means that He had to have been created at some point, or that because He does not exist, there is nothing to uncreate. You can’t claim that you cannot “uncreate” something, unless: 1) It never existed to begin with. or 2) It was first created, lending to the question of “can it be uncreated?”

    I don’t get your reasoning for concern that Mormons believe in “many Gods”. I understand you say Mormons teach that God was a man and became a God through exaltation, so did many other men become Gods. Those Gods were given the ability to have spirit children and create their own worlds in order to allow the spirits to obtain bodies and have the chance to become exalted as well. You would be correct in saying that this is what Mormons teach. However, that does not in any way PROVE that Mormons “follow” many Gods. Yes we “believe” that there may be many Gods that exist, yet, we only have one God that we follow. See, the other Gods are running their own worlds that we are not a part of. We are a part of only one Gods creations. It would be similarly wrong to conclude that because I believe many bosses exist in the world, I must follow all bosses. No, I only follow the boss that has jurisdiction over me.

  • September 19, 2014 at 11:13am

    According to you.

    That does not mean you are right. You believe you are right, just like I believe I am right. God will decide which, if either, is right. So I will continue to live my life by loving and following God the Father and thanking Jesus Christ while I do all that I can to be a good and moral person. I hope you do the same.

  • September 18, 2014 at 10:32pm

    “That’s precisely what Mormons have done.”

    You mean like you have redefined “Mormonism” to contradict what you believe, so you can bash it?

    Leave the teaching of Mormonism to the Mormons.

  • September 18, 2014 at 10:30pm

    Leave it to the Mormons to tell people what they believe, because you have no clue.

  • September 18, 2014 at 7:22pm


    Thank you for your concerns.

    I have been studying Mormonism for 40 years and I still don’t get it. Dang. I better stop sleeping at church huh? I mean, 40 years and not once have I been taught the things you have told me Mormons teach. Do they drug their sacrament water? Or, maybe I better ask you, Do they teach the sacrament? Do they partake of the bread and water? I swear I have done it for decades now, but maybe they have been lying to me…. man oh man, how ignorant could I be? I mean 40 years and nothing. A few posts from you and my eyes have been opened. Thank you, Thank you!!!

  • September 18, 2014 at 7:12pm

    FYI: John Hyde Jr was an apostate. He left the Mormon church, so don’t quote him as a Mormon authority.

    Must have Proper Priesthood Authority to baptize!!!

    Pretty simple really. Have a nice day.

  • September 18, 2014 at 1:45pm

    Does it mention chicken in the Bible? Does it mention swimming in the Bible? Does that mean that anyone who eats chicken or swims is damned? You have no credibility RAPTUR.

  • September 17, 2014 at 2:25pm

    I have thoroughly enjoyed our little discussion, in which you have kindly told me what I believe. It’s just been entertaining to find out that as a Mormon, I apparently believe things that I never knew I believed. I’m glad you were able to get in my head and read my thoughts, then straighten me out. I mean, if I don’t know what I believe, who does? Oh, yeah, YOU do!!!

    My final words on this subject are: “We have more common beliefs than you would ever be willing to admit”.

  • September 17, 2014 at 2:17pm

    You do not understand “Mormonism” as well as you think you do. Therefore, it forces me to believe that you do not understand “Christianity” as well as you think you do.

    I will not debate you any further, as you have demonstrated your ignorance very well.

    I will provide you with one last and very obvious error in your thinkings.

    You stated: “Mormons don’t believe nor teach “one baptism in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit”. What’s keeping them from believing and “following” THAT Christian teaching?”

    My little girl just turned 8 years old this year. Guess what a Mormon did? I took her into the baptismal font and baptized her by immersion in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. Mormons believe this is the ONE and ONLY way to baptize (the same way Jesus did).

    Mormons DO teach THAT Christian teaching!!! It is a very well known and in your face teaching of the Mormon church. Spend 5 minutes with any Mormon missionary and they will invite you to be baptized in this manner. How could you have misunderstood that obvious teaching? The same way you have misunderstood so many others, ask an anti-Mormon what Mormons believe, rather than asking a Mormon what they believe. That’s like asking your Dad to tell you what your Mother was thinking and feeling while she gave birth to you. ASK YOUR MOM!!!

  • September 15, 2014 at 4:16pm

    1 Cor 15:29 Paul’s acceptance of Baptisms for the Dead. Thus those that died in Christ without being baptized unto Christ can still receive his glory and avoid THERAPTURE.

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  • September 15, 2014 at 4:08pm

    This has been occurring since 325 AD.

  • September 15, 2014 at 2:03pm

    You wrote: “I believe in ONE GOD Almighty, Creator of heaven and Earth,
    and in all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Only-begotten, begotten of the Father before all ages;
    Light of light, true God of True God; begotten not made, being of ONE ESSENCE with the Father, by whom all things were MADE.
    Who for us men, and our salvation, came down from heaven and was incarnate of the HOLY SPIRIT AND THE VIRGIN MARY, AND BECAME MAN;
    He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilot, and suffered and was buried;
    And he rose again on the third day according to the Scriptures;
    He ascended into Heaven, and is seated at the right hand of the Father, and He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead;
    His kingdom shall have no end. And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Creator of Life; who proceeds from the Father, who together with the father and the son is worshipped and glorified;
    Who spoke through the prophets;
    In one, holy, catholic, and Apostolic Church, I confess one baptism for the remission of sins.
    I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the age to come.”

    Guess what? I believe everything you wrote (as long as the “catholic” you refer to means all embracing and not referring to the catholic church). Imagine that, a Mormon and I agree with everything in that testimony of yours. Now, please don’t tell me what I do and don’t believe, because you cannot know unless I tell you (or you read minds). WE AGREE!

  • September 15, 2014 at 1:55pm

    You site error in Mormons for taking “being brothers and sisters” LITERALLY. Isn’t that what you have been doing with quotes from the Bible? Taking the LITERAL reading of it and bashing the Mormons because they are not understanding the LITERAL interpretation of the Bible. Can’t have it both ways? Christ spoke in parables and spoke in blunt truths. He spoke Literally and figuratively (which requires inferences and personal interpretation at times).

    As for luring people in with family values, I’m sorry. I sincerely apologize that we would have the gall to have some morals and values that have been proven to benefit children and communities. The audacity that we would try to teach respect for women, the sacredness of marital vows, the importance of spending time with your children and knowing what they are up to in their lives. How dare us.

    You say Mormons teach that Christ’s mission failed. I don’t know where you get your “facts”, but that is wrong. 2 Thessalonians 2 speaks of a “falling away” that must come before Christ comes again. This falling away will help reveal the son of perdition. That is what Mormons believe (yes, we believe what the Bible says too). What is this “falling away”? Martin Luther and John Calvin recognized this falling away and built a movement around it.

    Interesting that you say the Christian Church came around 325 AD. Mormons believe that Christ established His Church while he lived. Not 290 years later.

  • September 15, 2014 at 1:10pm

    jb504079: So if Mormons believe Jesus and Lucifer are brothers (spiritual, not physical, because Lucifer never has, nor will receive a physical body), does that keep them from being able to follow the 10 Commandments or any “Christian” teaching?

    I’m glad you agree with my point that man can be called of God and be an instrument in God’s hand. Like these councils of men that were inspired of God to translate and organize scripture into a book called the Bible (an account of those prophets and apostles that lived in that region). So why could he not have done the same thing through the Prophet Mormon on the American continent (gathered and organized) and Joseph Smith (the translating to modern language)? So, we actually agree with each other that it has been done before for the Bible. Amazing how God always does things the same way.

    You bring up Mormons believing in a prophet as catholics believe in a pope. Somehow it is OK for the catholics to believe this, but the Mormons can’t believe it? Very hypocritical.

    Your concerns of contradicting Joseph Smith with polygamy show you do not understand Mormon doctrine. Mormon doctrine teaches that we are to obey the laws of the land. When Utah was trying to become a state, federal law said it was illegal to have plural wives and as long as Utah was practicing polygamy, it would not gain statehood. The practice was abolished to come in compliance with the law of the LAND, not because Joseph and God were wrong.

  • September 15, 2014 at 11:33am

    jb504079: Let me put it this way- As you say, Mormons believe that God may once have been a man like unto themselves, that they can become Gods like God the Father, that God the Father and God the Son are 2 separate beings and because of this they are polytheistic. Will those beliefs keep a Mormon from being able to live the 10 commandments or follow any of your “Christian” beliefs?

    If you want to call it Mormonism instead of Christianity, great, that is your right. It just goes to show that Mormons have something unique to offer from the thousands of other religions that follow the same Jesus. I know you have the right to say it is not the same Jesus, but I also have the right to believe that it is, since I have read about Jesus in the Bible and he sounds identical to the one in the Book of Mormon. Therefore I have to conclude we are speaking of the same Jesus.

  • September 15, 2014 at 1:37am

    Why could God not have been a man that gained eternal life and given the reward of becoming a God over His own kingdom? He had to have come from somewhere or something (primordial soup I guess).

    Why is it so hard to believe God Christ and the Holy Ghost are 3 separate beings? Did not God speak from heaven as Christ was baptized and the Holy Ghost descended as a dove?

    Finally, I ask if Mormonism teaches their followers to be bad people? Are they taught to break the commandments? Commit whoredoms? Or are they taught to be upstanding citizens in the community? Put aside whether the Book of Mormon is true or not. Put aside if they if they believe God had sex with Mary or not. Put aside if the disagree with the trinity. Are they bad people? Have they done anything to you that has made you become a worse person? Have they caused you harm? Have they in anyway kept you from worshipping the way you want?

  • September 12, 2014 at 3:32pm

    5) Tell us about how Jesus Christ and Lucifer were spiritual brothers of Elohim.

    – Simple. Elohim (or God) created all the spirits that have ever lived and will live on this earth. Thus he is called the Father. If the Father created a bunch of spirits, then they are siblings (ie brothers and sisters). Lucifer was one of these spirits.

    6) Tell us the Mormon teaching of the “plurality of gods”.

    – Mormons only worship God or as you have reference Him, Elohim. He is their creator. Could there be other Gods out there? Yes, you can’t prove there isn’t. We do not need to worry about them, because Elohim is our God. Just as your dad is not the only father in the world, but he is the only one you respond to.

    7) Tell us about Mormon “endowment”, which many elements of were stolen from Freemasonry, which is why Joseph Smith, who was a master Mason, was expelled from the fraternity. You do know he was a mason and was expelled for taking these secretive elements and forming them into religious “endowments” right? Ok, just checking.

    – Were they stolen? Or did the Mason’s maintain that as the part of the Gospel they chose to hang onto, while other religions chose to hang onto other aspects of the Gospel? Mormons believe every religion has some of the Gospel, just not all of it in one place. So Mormons also believe other religions are good for man.

  • September 12, 2014 at 3:24pm

    1) Tell us what it was like when you became Mormon and they brought you into the Temple and made you promise never to share with any non-Mormon what went on there.

    –You are not forced to do anything against your will. These things are not shared, because they are sacred (not secret).

    2) Tell us about the “other god” that had a goddess wife that had sex with each other on another planet and they bore “Elohim”.

    – There is the sex obsession again. I’ll answer that with a question: How was Elohim created? If not by a mother and father, then how or by whom? Al Gore?

    3) Tell us about how Mormons can take the place of a dead and buried person who wasn’t Mormon, and be baptized on behalf of that dead person.

    – If God requires baptism to enter the Kingdom, how are people who have died and no longer have a body going to be baptized? Is there a spirit baptism? If Mormons are wrong, what was the harm? If Mormons are right, those that got baptized with surely be grateful.

    4) Tell us about how YOU GUYS can become gods, and achieve “celestial glory”, but only because you’re Mormon.

    – God has said that certain criteria must be met to gain Celestial glory. The Mormons believe they have the authority to exercise THE Priesthood ordinances that God has required. Now it’s up to you to decide if you risk missing out.

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