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  • October 20, 2014 at 5:34pm

    I hope that as I look down from the Heavens, I will see that your eyes have been opened and that you too will ascend in THE RAPTURE. Hope to see you there.

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  • October 20, 2014 at 1:25pm

    I totally agree that The Spirit must help with the study of THE scriptures. Is that not what I said. It is not having a degree or deep knowledge in Hebrew “stuff” that will help you understand the scriptures. And as I have explained, The Spirit has helped me to get to the understanding I have. The way you speak of having to understand the Hebrew “stuff” makes it sound like you are having to rely on Man to help you understand THE Scriptures, not The Spirit.

    I see that Darren was right, you do not have much to argue about once your few topics of discussion have been discredited.

    Really, go see “Meet The Mormons”!!! Find out how little you really know about them. My whole purpose in continuing to respond to your posts is that I cannot let those lies you like to spread be out there without someone who knows the Mormon doctrine checking them and correcting you.

  • October 19, 2014 at 11:38am

    I’m sorry, but I do not believe that THE scriptures are written with hidden or secret meanings that you must know Hebrew to understand the HINT. THE scriptures are for all man to understand with or without a Degree in Hebrew. I find it convenient that you criticize Joseph Smith for “changing the doctrine of the scriptures to meet his needs” when you are obviously doing this when discussing a very straight forward and easy to understand verse of scripture about faith and works. Each verse in James 2 walks you through the logic. It asks “do you think you are saved by faith alone?” Then it answers it “No”. Several of these back and forth exchanges leave you with a very clear understanding that to belie is not enough, you must be righteous and actually do righteous things. I don’t have to understand Hebrew to understand the discussion that is being presented. I don’t need a HINT as it is plain as day.

    I saw “Meet The Mormons” this week. You should too. As you will see the first 10 minutes or so is dedicated to people like you that think you know the Mormons, but really don’t. It’s quite comical to see what skewed views people have of Mormons.

    Once again, I know THE Jesus of THE scriptures is THE Jesus I believe in and follow. I know this because I have learned of Him by studying THE scriptures. The Holy Spirit has testified of this truth to me and I cannot deny it. I know it is hard for you to understand this, but one day I pray you will. Don’t shut The Spirit out!

  • October 17, 2014 at 1:56pm

    How do you explain James 2 from THE Bible?

    WORKS alone will not save you!

    FAITH alone, that is not accompanied by WORKS that support your faith will not save you!

    It must be a combination of the two!!! If you have faith in THE Jesus of THE scriptures, you will actually do stuff (ie your WORKS) that support this faith (ie follow the 10 commandments, get baptized…).

    You also seem to think I am boasting of my WORKS. Wrong. I am merely trying to point out to you that as a Mormon, I live a very Christlike life. Perfect, no. But you try to make the Mormons out as non-Christian because they do not follow Christ. I wanted to know if those things I listed are Christlike? It was not to boast, rather to understand what in my WORKS as a Mormon is not in accordance with what YOUR Jesus has asked of his children.

    I’m sure I have mis-interpreted James 2, as I do not understand Hebrew root words pertaining gold rings and gay clothing. Nor is my knowledge in Hebrew traditional use of footstools up to date. And I must admit that I have not studied the Hebrew culture of walking around poor and naked with my sister.

    Please enlighten me!

  • October 17, 2014 at 1:38pm

    Interesting contradictions! So I guess, the answer to: “Do I have to change any of my behaviors/actions to join your church?” Is NO. Because my actions/behaviors/WORKS have no bearing on my salvation. I only have to accept THE Jesus of THE scriptures. As long As I accept THE Jesus of THE scriptures I do not have to obey the 10 commandments? After all, that is my WORKS. I can do as the those in the scriptures that draw close to the Lord with their lips, but the Lord does not know them, because they do not have the WORKS to back it up? Was that part of the scriptures wrong? He is speaking to the fact that the Pharisees are not living the commandments. Why would He care if WORKS did not matter? Hadn’t they professed their allegiance to the Lord? See you can say you accept THE Jesus of THE scriptures, but if you don’t perform the WORK that is required to follow His commandments and live a Christlike life, you have only given the Lord lip service, which He has already shown He will reject.

    That is a very strange way to be saved!!! Have faith in Jesus, but your WORKS do not matter. That sounds like something you would hear from a certain devil who would love to have you believe as long as you speak of Christ, you don’t actually have to do anything Christlike. Why do we have THE scriptures from THE Jesus that teaches us so many things that we should and should not be doing?

    Maybe I don’t understand your definition of WORKS.

  • October 16, 2014 at 7:12pm

    Is there anything in that list that I would have to change to become a member of YOUR religion? (I’m speaking of the list, because that is who I am regardless of what you say Mormons are or aren’t).

    Please do not stray outside this list in your comment as that would be seen as admitting you cannot disagree, but do not want to admit it.

  • October 16, 2014 at 7:07pm

    Well, thank you for your concern over my eternal salvation.

    The good news is that I believe in God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. By believing in them, I try my best to live the gospel as taught by the prophets in the Bible. I am honest with my fellow man. I pay my tithes. I have been baptized and confirmed with the Holy Spirit by someone with proper priesthood authority as Christ did. I obey the 10 commandments. I have never touched drugs, alcohol or tobacco. I don’t even drink anything with caffeine. I have created a family with my wife (yes, just one wife, no premarital sex). I care for those in need. I attend church services every week. I am a youth leader in the church. I give offerings to the poor and needy.

    I don’t think you need to worry too much about my salvation. I am not perfect in all these areas, but I am trying my hardest to be the best I can.

    Now I know you will come back with the “cult” and “lies” and “wrong Jesus” stuff. But let’s just take the list above of what I do and don’t do. If you saw that list and did not know I was a Mormon, would you not have to admit that I sound Christian and to be a follower of Christ? Of those things listed above, what is not in accordance with Christs teachings? You can call us a “cult” or “liars” or not believing in THE Jesus, but those are all subjective statements that you could apply to anyone you wanted. I could apply them to you.

    Would YOUR Jesus be happy with my list of behaviors?

  • October 15, 2014 at 9:59pm

    I have asked you this several times and you have yet to answer, Why do you hate Mormons so much? What have the Mormons done to you that has deserved such ire from you?

    I know it can’t be that we have different beliefs than you, because I have yet to see you show such contempt for Methodists, Evangelicals, Jehovah Witness’, Catholics, Muslims, Jews, Presbyterians… all of which have different beliefs than you. Something or someone has led you to despise Mormons more than your worst enemy. What was it? Why? Who?

    Or, why are you not willing to answer this?

  • October 15, 2014 at 9:47pm

    And my simple point is, just because YOU say I do not believe in THE Jesus of the Bible, does not mean I do not. See how that works? You may think you are right, but I have a very strong feeling and The Holy Spirit has confirmed to me that you are wrong. Now what? Who is right? You, because you say so? Or me because I say so? I can back all my claims up with the Bible just like you. The interesting thing is I also have Another Testament of Jesus Christ that once again testifies of THE Jesus you speak of. It in no way contradicts the Bible, but in many ways helps clarify these misconceptions you have. You can keep claiming Mormons are liars, but it still won’t make it true. You can keep relying on your knowledge of Hebrew fabric, Hebrew gardening, Hebrew nail cutting rituals, Hebrew hair styles, Hebrew jokes, Hebrew patty cake games, but it will never help you understand the scriptures more than the Holy Spirit will as He touches your heart when things are true. And the Holy Spirit has touched my heart to tell me the Bible contains the Word of God, the Book of Mormon contains the Word of God, Joseph Smith was God’s living prophet on the earth, God still has a living prophet on the earth today, THE Jesus of the Bible is the same Jesus of the Book of Mormon, my purpose on this earth is to accept God while living His commandments and helping those around me to do the same, that we may return to BE LIKE HIM. I cannot deny what the Holy Spirit has confirmed to me!

  • October 15, 2014 at 11:20am

    The hard thing for you to understand is that the Mormons follow the teachings of the person in the bible that is labeled as Jesus, Christ, Our Savior, Our Redeemer, The Son of God, Jehova…. I don’t get why you keep saying Mormons do not believe in THE Jesus of the Bible, when every time you write something about Him or His words, it sounds like the same Jesus I worship.

    Now to respond to your last comment:

    “Before you all ballistic and try once again to try and explain this away understand I have spent hours in person with mormons and hours online with mormons clarifying their doctrines and what I have stated is accurate.”

    Is that supposed to convince me that you are the ultimate authority on Truth? Because after having spent 40 years as a Mormon, talking to Mormons and studying Mormon doctrine, I can tell you that you have clarified nothing. You have only twisted Mormon doctrine as you see fit. I leave it to the Holy Spirit to testify of the Truth to me and unfortunately, He has testified that you are not True.

  • October 14, 2014 at 10:01pm

    Thank you for your response and I appreciate the tone in which it was written, not demeaning or “mightier than thou”.

    I have not studied Hebrew culture, but believe it or not, I am familiar with the examples you gave and agree 100% with those explanations. Did I have to take a course about the Hebrew harvest season to understand how Jesus is the First Fruit of the Resurrection? No. Studying the scriptures (which in a way is studying the Hebrew culture) was able to teach me why Jesus is the First Fruit. I don’t think understanding the scriptures is limited to those who have studied Hebrew culture. The Holy Spirit can teach you alot of stuff without having a degree in ancient civilizations or languages. The thing I love about Jesus is that His teachings were so simple and straight forward. I think too often, people try to delve too deeply into understanding every aspect of every syllable or breath that they over analyze and completely miss this simple message that was meant to be heard.

  • [-1] October 14, 2014 at 9:01pm

    You can’t throw a false statement out there and not expect it to get chewed apart.

    Nothing will make a sport “good” if you don’t like it. It’s your opinion. I’m just stating that your opinion doesn’t agree with a majority of the world. You think it’s “stupid”, but according to the world, it is the least stupid sport. Does that make your opinion right or wrong? NO.

  • [2] October 14, 2014 at 5:28pm

    That’s too bad. You are in the minority. 3.5 billion people list themselves as fans of soccer. One soccer team (Manchester United) boasts 450 million fans (that’s more than all the fans for every team combined in baseball, or football or basketball).

    What sport is next in popularity?

    2) Cricket
    3) Field Hockey
    4) Tennis
    5) Volleyball
    6) Table Tennis
    7) Baseball
    8) Golf
    9) American Football
    10) Basketball

    Soccer has 7-8 times more fans than Baseball, Basketball or Football.

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  • October 14, 2014 at 3:20pm

    Raptur says to Darren: “Through the lens of mormonism you are tying to read and understand scriptures. This will not work and is a perversion of the truth and without Basic Hebraic studies mormons cannot understand scriptures”.

    Let’s break it down: “Through the lens of mormonism (a diminishing statement toward Darren to start of the conversation) you are tying to read and understand scriptures (Claiming as fact that Darren cannot read nor comprehend scripture). This will not work (According to Raptur, Darren cannot possibly read or understand scripture because of the mere fact that he is a Mormon) and is a perversion of the truth (Calling Darren a liar just by attempting to read or understand the scriptures as a Mormon) and without Basic Hebraic studies mormons cannot understand scriptures (claiming as fact that no Mormon can understand scripture, unless he first studies Hebrew)”

    That is how Raptur discusses doctrine. He must first make you out to be a liar and deceiver (with no proof, other than because he says so), then give his unsupported version of belief as truth since he just “discredited” you.

    Well Raptur, I am a Mormon and have never studied the Hebrew language. However, I think I understand the scripture very well that says, “If ye love me, keep my commandments”. That is what my life revolves around, keeping Gods commandments. Am I misunderstanding? Should I be disobeying them? Are the Mormon 10 commandments different than the 10 commandments of the Bible?

  • [3] October 14, 2014 at 1:50pm

    Released by the LDS Church in 1995.

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  • October 14, 2014 at 1:25pm

    I have noticed a couple big differences in how Darren and Raptur explain their positions and beliefs. Darren is very deliberate in his explanations and will back them up with scripture. Darren is also very forthcoming and will tell you when he is “just believing” because it makes sense. I have yet to see Darren throw names or personal attacks in the direction of Raptur. Raptur on the the other hand uses names and personal attacks as the initial reasons to back up any claim he may make in future. He will present his beliefs that have no scriptural support as fact that must go uncontested or you are called a name or personally attacked for doing so. As I read what Raptur has written, I do not feel good, I get bad vibes. As I read what Darren has written, I feel calm and edified. I know the scriptures teach that all good things come from God, thus I know who must be on God’s side.

    So my question to Raptur is: What has a Mormon or Mormons done to you that has you so riled up against them? Did they kill your dog? Did they screw you over in a real estate deal? Did they poke you with their horn? Did they send the missionaries to talk to you? What has happened in your life that has cause such a hatred toward the Mormons? Don’t give me the whole “I love them so much that I am trying to open their eyes before they are damned”, otherwise you would be just as outspoken about the Methodists, Evangelists…

    Why? Why? Why?

    No doctrine please, just answer why?

  • October 13, 2014 at 10:11pm

    Come on man, I’m giving you the opportunity to be Christ-like and love your fellow man. Is there anything good you could say about Mormons? Or are you all negativity? I’m not saying you have to convert to Mormonism, just wondering if you do have Christ-like love and can find the positive in others. Jesus did not speak badly of others because of what they believed. I hope and pray you can be Christ-like and find one good thing to say about Mormons. As I said before, I respect your passion for wanting to bring people to Christ, we may disagree on how to do it, but none the less, I respect your passion. Your turn!

  • October 13, 2014 at 5:43pm

    I’m sorry you took it that way. I was speaking to both of us when I say it is time to be mature. That is why I decided to look at your positive aspects and recognize you as one of my brothers in the gospel, trying to help people understand how to live a more Christ like life. If you want to take it as a slight, that is your right. As for me and my family, we will follow the Lord. Stand up for what is right and love your neighbor.

  • October 13, 2014 at 4:49pm

    Cafe: You remind me of when I was in kindergarten. Remember when you would have to personally attack someone about anything they said or did because you were jealous that they were friends with someone you wanted to be friends with, or they had something you wanted? It’s time to mature. I have to say I love your passion. I love that you are so willing to share with us what you believe and why. Isn’t it wonderful to get to know other people and try to understand why they believe what they do? I thank you for taking the time to respond to my post, as that shows you care for me too. I think we are both out to help people come to a better understanding of who Jesus is and how we can better follow His gospel. I wish you the best.

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