Why are people so surprised at this behavior. When I was in the Military I worked in the Federal Building in San Francisco. The annual gay pride parade in Sfran is Porno in full blossom and the Police and city government do nothing to control it. This behavior does not surprise me at all. Nothing but animals!!!!!!
June 20, 2012 at 1:42pm
Somehow this does not surprise me. The school knows which bus this is and I would bring in every parent whose kid rides this bus and shows the parents this video. Then every kid would never be allowed back into my school. If any parfent has a problem with this we can step outside. This all reflects on the parents. I guess when you have trash raising trash this is what you get. Good luck Rochester because you are going to need it. Also, we need to get the federal governmednt out of the education system, turn it back over to the state and bring discipline back into the system…
You are wrong in assuming every parent of each of these children are 'trash'. Kids follow other kids; even good kids sometimes do bad by following other kids.
I agree with you that every kid involved should be required to attend a meeting at the school with their parents, but I disagree with you that they should never let those kids back in school. You give them a chance just like everyone should be given a chance. When you toss kids out of school, you are adding to the certainty that they will never amount to anything and that is plain stupid. You do discipline, and hopefully they learn from the discipline.
When respect leaves town this is what you get. Liberal, moral decay of society. Marines died for these little shitbags?????? It's shameful
It wouldn't matter. Kids like these learn this stuff from their parents.
Please oh please let me monitor that bus next.... pretty please!
Not sure what I'd do, but it would be quite severe punishment for being this hateful to an adult for no cause.
These are the same type kids I see running around in stores, while the mothers don't notice a thing. Must be the same way at home, as to why they are the way they are, hateful brats, and why mothers & dads are constantly fighting to set an example for little ones. Just get 'em.
Respect starts at home. These kids never learned it and that IS the parent's fault. And yes, these kids should be expelled from the school system and not allowed back. If they want to go to school , let their parent's pony up for "special school" for these cretins. Would serve both the parents and the kids right.
JHRUSKY...You and like minded fools who think like you are the reason these little bastards act how they do!...Lets hug em and tell em everything is ok...Who is going to hug that woman?...Who is going to stand up and defend her?..for doing what ?..her job?....These kids should be kicked out of school and face assault chrages!...You commented locking them in there room after smacking them would indicate bad parenting....NO what indicates bad parenting is a child who acts like this in public...If that woman was my family I would have been on that bus with a baseball bat!
Today's disgusting bullies, tomorrows zombies.
"Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the Lord your God is giving you." ~ GOD
"You shall rise before the gray headed and honor the presence of an old man, and fear your God: I am the LORD" ~ GOD
You would take away school for these kids for an instance of very bad judgement and hurtful actions? You do not believe in teaching, only punishing? You actually condone destroying someone's life over this? Sure, it's bad, but their life? Many parents cannot pony up for private school so you'd be condemning these kids to a life of poverty and crime with very little chance to dig themselves out. It just never ceases to amaze me how mean-spirited and ignorant some of the Blaze posters here can be! Discipline and consequences for very bad actions are expected, but to virtually destroy a life is utterly ridiculous! I hope no one ever took your life chances away for making a bad mistake, assuming you have ever made a bad mistake, or, at least, will admit same.
I wish I could have been there, but you can't do now days like you could when I grew up, those little sh*ts need to have their faces slapped, or behinds beaten..... Children shall be your oppressors, these kids will get bigger.
Posted on June 20, 2012 at 2:14pm
Oh my God! Where do I begin. She sits there and takes it. I would thrash the sh1t out of every one of those disrespectful little snot-nosed punks. They are doing what they’re doing because no one ever has....................................... AMEN!
That is BS.
Children are a mirror image of their parents.
Parents that live by a moral standard have children that behave with morals.
These children are the product of irresponsible adults. These little tyrants most
likely spend all their free time on Xbox online. The parents need to be held more
accountable than the kids. This should be a multi million dollar lawsuit & it should be public.
You are simply a horse's a55.
I never said "lets hug em and tell em everything is ok"
These are middle school kids. They need to be punished, no doubt, and I have stated such. But to want their lives destroyed by kicking them out of school makes no sense at all. Of course, you're probably one of those "christians" here who would shoot dead a middle school child for stealing a candy bar.
"You commented locking them in there room after smacking them would indicate bad parenting"
Wrong. I commented BEATING them and locking them in a room for 6 months was bad parenting and it is. I am not against spanking, and I am not against punishment. I am against beating a child of any age. Perhaps beating children helps you get off.
"If that woman was my family I would have been on that bus with a baseball bat!"
It'd be fun to break their skulls open with your bat wouldn't it?
By law, they can't be banned from school. But they sure as heck can be banned from the bus and should be. Indefinitely.
Of course it doesnt surprise you! This is what the media and liberal minds WANT. They want the disconnect, disrespect, vile attacks etc.
What you are witnessing America is pure EVIL at work!
This lady was probably donating her time.
Not only did they not respect her, they treated her less than human.
Absolutely no excuse for this. Kick them out of school and let mommy find a private school and let her pay for the education. This has got to stop, and there is no other way.
KICK THEM OUT!!!!
Precisely when you have welfare state parents that can't even get married before just having kids like rabbits, this is exactly what you get. Sure am glad we are so PC these days and accept these parents for all their faults and inabilities to be an adult!
I never made a mistake like this because I grew up respecting others. I still do. I respect everyone until such time as they earn my disrespect. These kids are beyond the rim. I never said they shouldn't be allowed an education on that they should not be allowed back into the public system where they have proven they are both a distraction and very real danger to others. Let their parents pay for their education somewhere else' somewhere where this type of behavior wouldn't be tolerated for a second and watch how good and involved the parents suddenly become where it's their money on the line. Wizerman is right when he said that mindsets like yours are what creates monsters like this. Someday maybe you'll grow a pair of pragmatics and join us in the real world.
i have said all aolnog this exists in MOST schools. These are little trayvon wanna-bes, gonna-bes. I keep saying we need corporal punishment and discipline at home as well as school. Id like a social shift from coddeling to public humiliation and disgracing of parents that turn monsters loose on the rest of us. Wanna bet the parents dont support the school but cry about illegal taping of dey yoots.
almost forgot, from article... they are concerned about the "students" and are putting guards up at their homes. Can i puke now?
cant afford guards on the bus, although unless im stupid they put the lady on the bus because the kids were monsters already. PC progressivism and god hating teachers and administrators have destroyed this country. when do we call them on the results of their destruction.?
What horrid little monsters. Our society is seriously degenerating.
Yea JHRUSKY- these kids should be expelled. The world needs janitors to.
Believe me, I felt the same way watching the assault of these kids, but sometimes common sense tells you, in the end they would win and you'd be in jail for assaulting a child, regardless of what they were saying. Takes some restraint, but has to be done.
@JHRUSKY is a JA!...don't hold these kids responsible for their actions...nah...give them a hug and tell them you better not do that again. That's why we have what we have in this Country! BTW if that was my kids ever did this...they would never ride the bus again and walk to school...if they were able to walk!
Very well said!
If my kid was on that bus, we would have a come to Jesus meeting. Then, we would go to the principle and give her a copy of the video and deman every kid be brought in and questioned individually. Then, some serious ass whippings should occur.
With all the revolutionary Marxist indoctrination that goes on in taxpayer funded classrooms, it's not hard to understand how this disrespectful attack on an authority figure could happen. And this kind of behavior is just the beginning. If middle school punks decide to go on to college and university the Marxist-Leninist revolutionary propaganda gets even worse as shown in "Marxist Valley College" at Youtube. . http://tinyurl.com/44btbq8 College and university teacher's podiums are the Commie spawning grounds of all kinds of anti-social discontent, leading to protest and occupation of major public areas. Irresponsibility, and disrespect for authority, is the forte of Socialist punks everywhere.
What no one seems to be noting is the PLEASURE these kids are getting out of being this mean and disrespectful to another person. They are happy, enjoying themselves by being cruel. A person, regardless of age, does not learn this behavior in a day. They have been allowed to get away with this kind of cruelty too long, at school and at home.
Yes, they should be expelled but if they had decent parents they would also get a real butt whipping and every single pleasure in their miserable little lives taken away for months. They should also be required to stand before the whole school at an assembly and apologize to this woman.
They should also be very glad that that lady is not my Mother.
@JRHUSKY: No, sir, YOU are the problem, and those like you who say give the darling little angels another chance. These 'kids' are MONSTERS who belong in Reform School. Remember the concept of Reform School? Those who were sent there DESERVED their fate. If they were smart, they got their life back on track and in very short order. If they weren't so smart, they contined their ugly path to ruin, but they did so apart and AWAY from the normal kids who took school seriously. No, these kids should be pulled out of school and placed with others of their kind... to include YOUR kids, if you have any (and God help society if you do).
You don't have to expel the kids from school just ban them from riding the bus for two weeks first offense one month second offense and the rest of the school year third offense. Fact is the school bus should be a zero tolerence zone for misbehavior it the most dangerous part of school. At anytime a distraction could cause an accident resulting in injurys and or deaths. Make the parents be responsible for getting them to and from school TRUST ME when the parents have to re-arranged thier schedules they 'll be put the hammer down on their childs behavior.
@Thomas Paine "Children are mirror images of their parents." Actually this is not necessarily true in this place called Rochester.. I'm from there... It's a strange place with some of the meanest kids in the country... A lot of these kids are raised better and have good parents.. It is a very cliquey place and kids are 2 faced.. At home angles of their parents eye and when they get to school pressured to get the respect of their peers including if it means berating or attacking others... It's an exttremely cliquey place... Kids are home inside most of the winter and don't learn reality.. It's not the city, it's not the country it's La la land... Passive people who are not city people or country people move to rochester suburbs and raise kids. close enough to the convenience of the city, but far enough from the sefl-reliance necessary in the country... All these types of people move there thinking they will raise kids in a good place but because of themselves, they're kids are not guided well and end up worse than their parents not reflections of them... My parents were the same in rochester.. Great people with good morals but averse to conflict, and didn't want to face their childrens problems head on.. Just let the school and professionals fix us... My parents are great but spineless like a lot of parents out there.. The kids in turn, have a free for all,
I know a poplar mantra is The Children are our Future, If this is true America is doomed!
These children will grow up to be drug addicts, porn addicts, criminals, and the dregs of society (if they are not one or more of these already). They will have broken homes, ruined careers, failed marriages (or relationships), and prison sentences. They will have no love, no joy, and no hope for feelings of fulfillment when they reflect back as their own lives reach an end.
The parents, to a degree, maintain some responsibility to rear them in ways of respect and discipline and personal responsibility. If they do this, then the judgment is the child's to bear. When the kids leave home (18), they are the only ones accountable to themselves.
While they are at this age and behaving this callously, they are already on a treacherous downward spiral of self-destruction. I would not hesitate, after seeing this video, to implement proper measures to discipline these kids. Behavior like this does not warrant a warning. They get none. If I was the parent of these children there would be hell to pay, especially if this was a trend long in development. No physical punishment, though. They would be cleaning their school's toilets for a year. Their wardrobe would be replaced (sold) for something more humble in its place. There would be no television, no games, and no computer. They would be writing book reports that I would assign them, penalty of lateness or non-completion would result in fewer privileges. I am positive behavior and attitude would improve.
Replace her with me any day. I have no problem throwing these little POS straight off the bus and making them walk home. Call your Mommy and Daddy. I would do the same everyday. That is being EXTREMELY nice.
Call in the parents. Show them the video. Advise them one of these children is theirs. Starting on the very next school day all students will be advised that any abuse of school buses, drivers or monitors will cause them to be permanently lose their privilege to ride on any school vehicle for school classes, activities, sports etc. Not just for the year. Warn all parents especially showing evidence to current offenders, then all students, then execute. No appologies excepted. The school may be legally obligate to educate but not obligated to briing them anywhere.
When I was in school we were reminded regularly that riding the bus was a PRIVILEDGE.
Those brats need to spend the next twelve months walking in the snow and the heat.
I don't know that I would go as far to say that the kids in this video get their attitudes from the parents, although I'm not not saying it either. This whole story really makes me sick.... how anyone could treat another human being that way is beyond comprehension. I really hurt for the victim in the video... We need to pray for her and the kids. They need help.
@Cesium, Then banning the children from riding the bus might spur those parents to action. Like a previous poster mentioned, if the parents have to rearrange their schedule to get the kids to school then there will be a reckoning at home. These parents cannot say that their kids are angels now that they have it on a recording. The School Bus is a privilege, not a right. Although in this day and age, with anything and everything becoming a “right”, taking the bus might soon become one as well.
This is a product of a liberal - Godless society (NY) and public school. If you live in an area like this and send your children to a public school, this is what it looks like. Children tend to follow the lowest common denominator. That's why you should pick your children's friends (forbid certain ones), and you can only do that if they are not in a public school setting.
I couldn't agree more on every level!!
I think you are all being a little to hard on Jhursky and taking him out of context. Also i find it very hypoctical and pious that so many people responding to Jhursky speak to their great upbringing and moral superiority and then call him a name and bully him. Here is a list of whom I am talking about.
how can you speak about how repectful you all are and then use phrases like "Were you dropped on your head"
jrhusky and everyone - these kids are in middle school. The are likely not 16 yet, although some may be. Our public education system MUST educate every one under 16. They can't just kick them out of school and clap the dust off their hands and be done. They are forced to deal with these kids.
There should be meetings for each of the kids with the parents, separately from the other kids. Besides any punishments, which I think there definately should be strict ones, the school should present their expectations and have consequences. Like, we are keeping a very close eye on this kid and if this kid does anything like this again he/she will be placed in an alternative setting. Go to the special school or the night school with the other delinquents. The school did this with my grandaughter who was doing idiotic things in school with her friends and boy did she straighten up fast after having to do a few months of night school with the REALLY bad kids.
@JHRUSKY: I was caught at school under the influence of marijuana in the 10th grade. I was expelled and sent to the "special" school a.k.a. Continuation High School. My parents also made me attend Narcotics Anonymous meetings for a year (even though I wasn't an addict). After a school year of being banished (yes the school was in the middle of dairy farms, even though we lived in a suburban city of Southern California) and associating with kids that had criminal records, I decided that I didn't want that for my life. I finished my expulsion there, went back to the regular high school in 11th grade with the fear of God and my parents in me, I worked my butt off to stay out of trouble and graduate. I am now very fortunate to have a solid career with a good reputation in my industry. The fact that I was held accountable for my actions made me who I am today. I cringe to think what I would have become had I not had to "pay" for my bad behavior when I was young. Yes, kids make poor choices, but that doesn't mean that they should not be held accountable for those choices; that is how they learn.
These kids need to be held accountable for their bad behavior; and the punishment needs to be severe enough to create the change. It has been said that significant change requires a significant event. In this case, I think expulsion for a school year is appropriate.
Ah, Michelle Obama should be proud!
Proud of all the hate-mongering, all the elitist, holier-than-thou,
food-nazi work she has done.
She has taught children, not only that it is good to exercise, but also,
that if you are overweight or fat, you are LESS OF A PERSON,
your life is worth less, and is meaningless. (Ask Oprah about how Mrs. Obama feels about fat people "waddling" about the White House)
We should also thank Mayor Bloomberg & Michael Moore, & other states & municipalities that are spreading this elitist hatred!
Sure, I weigh more than I'd like. But, that's MY CHOICE !
I would rather have 67 great years of bacon-milkshakes, doughnuts, fried twinkies, corndogs, buttered popcorn, & 32oz sodas, than 112 years of arugula!
& ya know what?
That is MY GOD-GIVEN RIGHT !
There's also a large degree of age-ism going on! We went from catering to the 'baby boomers' to catering to the "millennials." We are discounting the "X-Gen" who are having to clean up this mess, WHILE dealing with the upcoming hellions given us by the left! Too many companies are passing over the 40-somethings, to hire the 30-somethings, BECAUSE of AGE, while it is our life's savings that was wiped out in this mess! Just toss us aside & hire the kid.
The left has also taught kids, when you don't like someone... The appropriate response is to ATTACK.
When you disagree with them, tell them to STFU!
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
"...From Every Mountainside, LET FREEDOM RING!"
I do not disagree with you that these children need punishment and something they will remember. Where we disagree is expulsion. If 3 or 5 days off works because that requires the parents to find a way to have them taken care of during the day (and while not all will, some surely will be sure their child is with an adult). Removing them from the bus for a period of time also seems fine as it, again, requires the parent to get involved. However, an entire year of expulsion from school seems far too drastic. Now, if this even has happened time and time again, I would agree that it's time for expulsion.
That you were solid and mature enough to overcome a mistake is commendable, but probably does not mean every child will be. These are still children no matter how hurtful they have been. Children are some of the meanest beings on this planet towards each other ... and even children of Christian homes even though many here choose to deny that.
Have them arrested for harassment. That will teach the little terds! The bus driver should have stopped, called the sherifs, and have them arrested...... Cuffed, jailed and crying that their little terds are just that. No respecting pos's...
"@JHRUSKY is a JA!…don’t hold these kids responsible for their actions…nah…give them a hug and tell them you better not do that again."
I defy you to show where I stated any of the nonsensical idiocy that you are attributing to me.
Put up or shut up. Let's see what a real genuine honest person you really are. Will you accept responsibility for the LIES you just insinuated that I said and admit your error, or will you find an excuse or attack again?
I'll await your response.
Scorpion, I believe you are off base here. The government takes these kids for 180 days a year and provides very little meaningful discipline and NO moral training whatsoever. The values they do teach are not based on any moral authority. Instead, they are told everything is relative and right and wrong is whatever you "feel" it is. Self-esteem and feelings reign as supreme values. So bullying is "wrong", but sex out of wedlock is not unless it is "unprotected". The list could go on and on related to what modern day society deems right and wrong, but when you take away the Creator's standard, you just have invented human standards. Humanists have to reject God's standards because there are too many things they don't like, but it should not surprise us when kids choose to indulge their twisted nature. Add to that that the rest of the time, they are under media influence that tells them anything goes and worse. If you have a teen, you know that even if you ban almost all media like we do, our perverted culture slides through. It used to be that schools, churches, neighborhoods, organizations, etc., backed up what parents taught. Now, almost any parent will tell you, we are under seize. Short of completely withdrawing from the culture and moving somewhere remote to live off the land, your kids are hugely influenced by this rotten culture. I'm not totally excusing the parents, but it affects even good parents who try really hard to raise decent kids.
I have not watched the video, but let me just put in my 2 cents on parents: NO-ONE can judge a parent by the actions of a minor child! I have FIRST-HAND experience in this! You can raise a child with all of the morals you expect your child to behave by, with negative and positive consequences, and if THE CHILD CHOOSES to behave contrary to your teaching/discipline, that is their free will!! Every child is different in their personality. To say that it's the fault of the parents is a blanket generalization. Yes, there are "bad" parents, but there are also "good" parents who have kids who will not obey no matter what discipline they are given. - "Judge not, lest YOU be judged"
Where is the bus driver during all of this? If I were to catch my kids talking to an adult like that they would have a hard time sitting for awhile.
I couldn't work with the GOVERNMENT school system. I would be in jail for smacking the crap out of those snot nosed BRATS from HE!!. I would have NEVER acted this way when I was young...HE!! I wouldn't act like that now. My parents would have snatched my A$$ and kicked it all the way home and then the punishment would have BEGAN! WE HAVE GOT TO GET THE LIBERAL COMMIES OUT OF GOVERNMENT SCHOOLS AND QUICK!
@ stu d. baker-hawk
"No sir, YOU are the problem, and those like you who say give the darling little angels another chance."
All children should be given a 2nd chance when they screw up. Punishment should certainly be a part of the equation, but the 2nd chance should be there after amends are made.
"No, these kids should be pulled out of school and placed with others of their kind… to include YOUR kids, if you have any (and God help society if you do)."
You quite obviously know nothing about me, my life, or my child. Your _ASS_umptions are, as usual, just that.
@ FRUST@TED: Where in my post did I cite a moral superiority as you accused me of doing? Answer: NO WHERE! So the question must be asked: Were YOU dropped on YOUR head?
@JHRUSKY: I agree with you that even children of christian parents are mean. I know this personally, because I have 3 kids that have gone to private christian schools. All of them have been treated poorly by another child at one time or another. However, the school was quick to discipline the children appropriately. And, when the action called for it, they were expelled; one example is when a student had called the principal a racially derogatory term.
Three days of in school suspension for everyone she can id. Press charges on the punk that touched her with the book. EVERY kid on the bus writes an essay about bullying and acceptance is condoning.
@deeberj, If you ban these kids from the bus, then not only would the parents take more interest in their kid’s bad behavior, it also removes them from a certain subset of extremely negative peer pressure. From what I remember of my own childhood experiences on a the school bus, cooping kids up for 45 mins to an hour can create some very temping situations for rowdy and uncouth behavior simply out of boredom. Removing them from the bus system is likely the best solution to this problem.
Always a shock to be confronted with reality. NEEDMOINFO has a fair solution, except didn't go far enough. Each of these teens, and probably the whole school, needs lessons about how to relate to and have compassion for others. They've obviously missed the bus (pun intended). The perpetrators need a firm dose of punishment from which only their continued good behavior will release them (monitored detention during the "fun" classes, with daily papers to write - which will be reviewed by the bus monitor, and graded). In the meantime, they must be angels on that bus. An immediate personal apology is in order, with the parents standing beside their "spawn." Like one post pointed out, only by being held responsible for their behavior will these black hearted children recover. Society does not need them in their current form.
I don't think the majority of the posers here understand what you're trying to convey. In fact, I think you're all in violent agreement up until the point of expulsion. You know...if most of you did get your way, and these kids were expelled and subsequently never received an education, can you guess who would most likely end up sopporting them through various government hand-out programs? Do we honestly really need more uneducated freeloaders voting? Best way to create a democrat is to give them other people's money.
"You quite obviously know nothing about me, my life, or my child. Your _ASS_umptions are, as usual, just that."
Of course, of course, YOUR child is a little angel, just like the parents of those little terrors on the bus would claim until the cows came home. You know, I've had it up to 'here' with so-called parents of your ilk. Oh, and BTW, get a hair cut and lose the shades; you look like a biker-wanna-be fool!
Instead of expulsion - creating more uneducated taxpayer funded leeches on society...why not give them an excess of community service? Make them give back to the community that they obviously have contributed nothing to in the past...just a thought.
Just tell them that they are not allowed to ride the school bus, they will be responsible for their own transportation now and next fall. When Mommy and Daddy get tired of hauling the little darlings to and from school, they may consider retraining them!
Throwing kids out of school is not permanent. Please get off your high horse. In or out of school suspension and/or expulsion is warranted. This is not just a TEACHABLE moment for the kids to see that there is real consequences for their actions, but it will force their parents to take actions to now monitor their child and not use the school system as the main raiser and provider of the child.
If the kids don't amount to much, it is their fault. Instead of learning from being thrown out of school and becoming an active member in civil society, they would be deciding to actively become nothing. The chance to prove oneself a model member of society is not on the school or society the the person in question.
Quite making excuse for their outrageous behavior. They want to go to college and have a good transcript, then don't act like this. Set an example for the other kids. The learn by watching; and believe me, they are watching what they get away with.
The reason no one stands up for another is because they wind up with their day in court. Finally financially destroyed and perhaps raped in jail. Look at Zimmerman. We need street justice. We need it now. And we will have it. We need to beat the sh t out of these unruly children and adults.
If these were my kids, they would not need a timeout - they'd need a defibrillator. "Within an inch of your life,..." Nah, I would go all the way. Being a loving parent, I'd bring them back, but I'd let them have a peak at the other side.
"Raise up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not depart from it."
God's words, not mine.
"All children should be given a 2nd chance when they screw up. Punishment should certainly be a part of the equation, but the 2nd chance should be there after amends are made."
Expulsion is not permanent. The are thrown out for at least ONE year. Their second chance comes when they are forced to retake 6th or 7th grade the following year (or two years in this case seeing as it is June). When they are two years older than their class mates and are made fun of by the class as being stupid, they will now how it feels to be ridiculed.
You are making expulsion sound like life imprisonment. It isn't. It is temporary. If they keep it up, they could risk their ability to go to college and have scholarships. I think it is a fitting punishment. The hard work they will need to prove they are disciplined enough for college and loans will do them good. It will build character. Society should not help or make room for these kids if they have no compassion for others in society. It is the building blocks of a stable society.
Absolutely disgusting. These kids are a disgrace. I live in an area of the Atlanta suburbs where we have a lot of transplants from all over the US (including myself), and I have to say - kids from the Northeast are the worst. Arrogant, disrepectful troublemakers with little supervision. For example, some five-year-old from several blocks away (who we don't know) wandered into our yard, intentionally hit another kid in the eye with a stick, and when his father (obnoxious, idiot New Yorker) showed up, he yelled at the kid that got hit. This guy had no idea where his five-year-old was until one of the other parents called him. If there's a kid getting in trouble in the neighborhood, it's a safe bet his family is from the Northeast.
These kids should be refused bus privileges. If their parents don't like driving their kids to school, they should be allowed the opportunity to earn the privilege back by serving as bus monitors themselves for a reasonable period of time . . . say a month.
That would give them an eyeful of what kinds of issues are created by misbehaving and disrespectful kids. Even if they don't observe their own kids breaking the rules, deep down, they know what's going on, and this might actually shame them into modifying behaviors.
Scorpian I agree with your post .. I would add 1 thing .. all of these kids would be barred from ever riding a school bus again... Their parents can then figure out how to get them around, to and from school, field trips etc.. It should be their problem not the problem to teacjhers, bus drivers aor other students....@ JHRUSKY.. You are part of the problem and reason kids behave this way.. They had their chance, and I would bet this is not the 1st time the mouthiest of these kids has been disrespectful of authority... as for ruining their lives that is for them and their parents to fix..
@JR HUSKY.. I get it, which one of these kids is yours???
"Expulsion is not permanent. The are thrown out for at least ONE year. Their second chance comes when they are forced to retake 6th or 7th grade the following year (or two years in this case seeing as it is June). When they are two years older than their class mates and are made fun of by the class as being stupid, they will now how it feels to be ridiculed.
You are making expulsion sound like life imprisonment. It isn’t. It is temporary. If they keep it up, they could risk their ability to go to college and have scholarships. I think it is a fitting punishment. The hard work they will need to prove they are disciplined enough for college and loans will do them good. It will build character. Society should not help or make room for these kids if they have no compassion for others in society. It is the building blocks of a stable society."
This is why I comment to The Blaze. I really like hearing the alternative viewpoints. I hadn't thought of it this way, but this sounds good to me. Tack on something like community service to fill the brat's downtime and call it a day!
I do understand your sentiment, and I have shared it in the past, but what are we to do? You cannot respond to the brute and the bully with words, kindness, and understanding. We have already seen the dismal failure that produces. That's why things like this keep happening. There is a certain element that only understands one language and that is physical defeat. That's something this particular element has apparently never experienced, given that they are being so abusive toward this sweet old woman who has taken it upon herself to monitor their useless punk a$$e$.
So as the story unfolds we see that their home addresses have been revealed of these sh t for children. They are expierencing fear for their worthless lives. God once called for the stoneing death for children like this. I guess God was stupid. I don't think so. I can only tell you that if I had done this to this old woman I would want someone to blo my fu ing head off. Yes thats what I said.We thank you for justice street lawmen. God Bless you.
@FRUST@TED I certainly don't know what you're going on about. No one attacked JHRUSKY out of the blue and I certainly didn't attack him. No one attacked him until he attacked first by insulting other posters in his responses to them and naturally he got back exactly what he deserved. Like I said earlier; You give people respect until such time as they earn your disrespect and JHRUSKY has certainly earned people's disrespect by engaging in preemptive ad hominem attacks. Time to grow up, take personal responsibility for your actions, thoughts, and deeds and put away the crocodile tears.
The problem here is that you are assuming that parents are raising these kids. Most parents have minimal involvement in their kids upbringing these days. Kids are raised by babysitters, daycare, preschool and school nowadays. The schools bear full responsibility for these kids from about age 3 up for most of them.
If you are offended by this, remember this is probably not an anomaly. This is happening on every bus in the country. If your kid is riding the bus, then he/she is either a victim or a perpetrator of this behavior, and don't think yours are innocent unless you've investigated.
When 50,000 kids leave the public schools every time something like this surfaces, the US Dept. of Ed will get the message loud and clear that America is serious about this issue, and it must stop. As long as parents show tacit approval of this behavior by getting up in the morning and feeding their kids to the big yellow bus, it will continue.
@ stu d. baker-hawk
"Of course, of course, YOUR child is a little angel, just like the parents of those little terrors on the bus would claim until the cows came home."
Perhaps if you would acquire some intellectual honesty in your debates you would state something worthwhile.
"You know, I‘ve had it up to ’here’ with so-called parents of your ilk."
My honesty bothers you? Loving my neighbor as myself is a foreign concept to you? Your parents never taught you that kids growing up and learning and sometimes need guidance and loving discipline in order to turn into good people?
"Oh, and BTW, get a hair cut and lose the shades; you look like a biker-wanna-be fool!"
Again, you prove your ASS_umptions here. I used to ride with a rather mean group of bikers, so I know the territory well. I've changed over the years, but the memory and knowledge is still there. Because I have long hair, even that bothers you? I spose you're one of those that yammer on how it's a sin for a man to have long hair.
"Instead of expulsion – creating more uneducated taxpayer funded leeches on society…why not give them an excess of community service? Make them give back to the community that they obviously have contributed nothing to in the past…just a thought"
Great idea. Being out each evening and on weekends picking up garbage, sweeping streets, etc., would most likely be a very good punishment. Make it lengthy so they understand there are consequences. Certainly is far better than beating them and/or pulling them out of school so they learn nothing.
JR Husky, are you saying that a slap on the wrist is enough for assault? Because that is what these kids are doing when they threaten to stab this elderly woman. These are not sweet little moppets. These kids are threatening to do her bodily harm. Does she not have a right to justice? Once upon a time in this nation, we respected elderly people; we protected them from harm. Now you are saying it is okay for a kid to threaten an elderly woman with death? Why? Because society made them that way? They have no responsibility for their actions?
The fact that we don't punish kids commensurate with this behavior is precisely why public school gives them the worst hope for a future. They are not learning to be responsible, educated, men and women in the public schools. They are learning to be illiterate criminals and thugs. The best hope for these kids to have a future would be to throw them out of crime infested public schools where this is all they are learning.
We want these kids punished so that young people all over America will hear about and develop a Godly fear for adults and respect for our seniors. I personally would like for their tongues to be cut out. I hope you don't like it. Street Justice. We will have justice.FOOLS and God Bless America and return us our Republic.
Rusky, much more in the way of discipline needs to happen to this kids that were involved. The truth is the parents are probably trash and if not should be very involved in a meaningful long term punishment that will NEVER be forgotten. They need to be shamed (what a long lost concept that is) and made to do significant reparations in the woman's behalf.
@ johnny midknight
"Throwing kids out of school is not permanent. Please get off your high horse. In or out of school suspension and/or expulsion is warranted."
My first response that sent this thread into a rabid frenzy of desires to beat children and remove them from school by those with a lack of reading comprehension skills was that the kids should not be permanently removed from school as that is far too severe a punishment. The original post on this item very clearly stated:
"Then every kid would never be allowed back into my school".
Thus, my response that that was too severe. There is no horse involved, high or low -- only common sense.
"@JR HUSKY.. I get it, which one of these kids is yours???"
Ah! You are hilarious! So funny! And so original!
@ p c be damned
"God once called for the stoneing death for children like this. I guess God was stupid. I don’t think so. I can only tell you that if I had done this to this old woman I would want someone to blo my fu ing head off. Yes thats what I said. We thank you for justice street lawmen. God Bless you."
Ah, another "christian" rears his loving, caring, forgiving head.
You are a perfect example for others to want to become Christians, aren't you? Your words prove beyond all doubt what a wonderful person you are.
Truth is, you probably think everything you say is what God wants. How sad.
"... are you saying that a slap on the wrist is enough for assault? "
Absolutely not. Of course, by reading these comments towards me here you would think that, but go ahead and search on my name and read every statement I have made here. Not a single one states anything resembling "a slap on the wrist". I've stated punishment, nothing less. I have stated that beating should not be part of the equation, and expulsion should also not be part of the equation. (expulsion isn't the same as suspension).
One person had a great choice of adding community service to the punishment ... and that sounds good. Something that would ensure the parents were put out also would be a good thing to ensure home involvement.
This is no doubt very sad bullying that went on. I've seen it on the playground; I've seen it in the bars; I've seen it in the office. It's not just kids, although kids are the meanest of them all. But it's bullying ... these children need punishment and then guidance and education. Only punishing will do nothing to help them change their ways. Children are still children. I've seen some pretty bad kids turn around and become model citizens because they had just punishments and then guidance and love. Unfortunately, it appears most here would rather bust their heads open.
"JHRUSKY.. You are part of the problem and reason kids behave this way.. They had their chance, and I would bet this is not the 1st time the mouthiest of these kids has been disrespectful of authority… as for ruining their lives that is for them and their parents to fix.."
So, first it's the parents' fault, and now it's my fault? I don't follow the logic there, but then again, I doubt there was any. Your compassion for others is astounding.
I honestly couldn't watch any more than 2 minutes...after she took her dark glasses off, and said she wasn't sweating, she was crying.
Did she ever ask these kids "would you ever talk to your own Grandma this way? How would you feel if someone did?" Very disturbing. Things ain't boding well, are they.
OH my... God! these kids need to ride the bus, back in my Day oh lordy! the bus drivers were crazy, and YOU did not wanna mess with em, if you acted up, the bus driver would in no uncertain terms " GET the heel, off MY bus, right now, you little SOB, and Get the F off NOW, before i come back there and KICK your little arse into next week" and you had better MOVE off the bus, or there was hell to pay, with the school, your parents, ect. ect. ect. lady dont sit there and cry, become the scary old lady that no one wants to rile!
...it will leave many wondering what has gone awry in our society. What need do we have to wonder this is a biblical truth...
Matt 24:12 "Because lawlessness is increased, most people's love will grow cold.
Matt 24:13 "But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.
So much is happening and so quickly...only an unsaved fool(non-Christian) would not recognize the sign of the times...
Mark 13:29 "Even so, you too, when you see these things happening, recognize that He is near, right at the door.
Will you mourn when you see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory? Or will you rejoice?
This answer needs to percolate through all, of mankinds thoughts. Their freewill choice is only a short time from being rendered moot. As for me Jesus is my Savior.
The police should charge them with elder abuse. I was a middle school teacher. This happened to a teacher friend who had taught 33 years. They really go after us old ones.
JHRUSKY is a classic example of why this behavior is tolerated he has know idea the past of these kids and he is making excuses for them and there parents. I at that age never acted like that nor do i know of anyone who has, they my friends are our future in no way condone there conduct they should be expelled and there parents made to make arrangements to go to another school at there inconvenience.
"I agree with you that every kid involved should be required to attend a meeting at the school with their parents"
So would the kids actually have to stab the woman to warrent expullsion in your mind? How about beat her up, just a little though. Would that be enough?
"When you toss kids out of school, you are adding to the certainty that they will never amount to anything".
As someone else said in a previous post, world need janitors and ditch diggers too.
And BTW...where is this bleeding heart of yours in regards to this woman? I guess in your mind she gets the satisfaction of knowing maybe one of these cretins MIGHT turn out ok.......
"these kids were expelled and subsequently never received an education, can you guess who would most likely end up sopporting them through various government hand-out programs"
The educational systems is one of the reasons that we are seeing this kind of behavior. They are not educating kids anymore, they are indoctrinating them. American kids are off the charts when it comes to believing that they are brilliant and in the dumpster with actual knowledge.
The parents of this trophy kid generation is the other part of the problem. Previously, if a kid screwed up they would be in big trouble at home. That isn't the case any more. A police officer recently told me, that when he catches a kid spray painting a building or doing something that they shouldn't and takes the kid home to his parents instead of arresting them, the parents yell at him instead of the kid.
Don't know how people can send their kids to government schools.
I would eat rocks to keep my kids in Catholic school.
They should be charged with "Elder Abuse."
Sounds like a ton of hate speech to me. Anti bullying program? Oh that's right, that's just for the LGBT crowd. No respect needed for someone who could be your Mom or your Grandmom! Where did all of those laws go? Ya know, the ones about hate speech and anti bullying????? Oh sheesh, I forgot again, laws are not meant for the liberal free thinkers, the ones who don't consider instilling 'morals' in their children. Laws only come in handy when you want to attack citizens who stand on moral principles. Reminds me......you reap what you sow.......
This sort of action is to be expected after turning over your entire Media to Jewish marxists.. The kids are behaving exactly as they have been programmed to behave...
America is rotten to the core. The most diabolical despicable sinful nation to ever exist upon God' green earth.. Without question... That which is about to transpire in America over the next 15 years or so will make the French and Russian Revolutions appear as mere childsplay.
Our nation has lost all resemblence of any sort of Godliness.. Lost it all.
Furthermore if the kids had of been African they probably would shot her after humilatin her for 15-30 minutes.. lol
I think it's time just to pull what little money I have left out of the stock market and begin preparing for the undoing that it's coming our way,...
These kids all need a good paddling!! My gosh!!
Well after listening to this video and readng some of the comments; My comment is as follows: I don't care how old they are, You want to act like big people then you get treated like big people-- suffer the same consequences of your words, and some pretty big words. Rape, stabbing, break ins, etc. those are theats to her life, so besides having the parents there have the police there waiting to brings them right to the police station and press charges against each and every one of them. They are all little mini thugs at this point and will grow up to big thugs and get into bigger trouble, Nip it in the bud now, this is no joke.
The next generation of NAPAS'.
"JHRUSKY is a classic example of why this behavior is tolerated he has know idea the past of these kids and he is making excuses for them and there parents"
I have no idea of these kids past any more than you do, yet you seem to think it's OK for you to make a decision based upon that unknown factor yet wrong for me to make one? You sound like a progressive in that sort of thought. But again, as seems usual here, you will not be able to recognize your double-standard statements. People like you complain about the left wanting to have double standards yet you, too, are guilty of the same.
I doubt I'm the problem we have societal problems. I guess it's important for you to find someone to blame thus the attack on me for this. However, if you really want to think about it (and you have to be honest to do this so it may or may not be difficult for you), these kids were raised by the parents you are condemning, thus the parents were apparently not taught well by their parents. That would put these kids' parents in the, say mid 30's. Then their parents also failed to teach their kids, and they're in the mid-50s' ... getting close to you yet? Is it YOUR generation that screwed up since it must be the parents?
"So would the kids actually have to stab the woman to warrent expullsion in your mind? How about beat her up, just a little though. Would that be enough?"
Stabbing or beating her up should result in jail time, thus I guess that would warrant expulsion.
"As someone else said in a previous post, world need janitors and ditch diggers too."
Your compassion shineth bright.
"And BTW…where is this bleeding heart of yours in regards to this woman? I guess in your mind she gets the satisfaction of knowing maybe one of these cretins MIGHT turn out ok……."
I guess your mind doesn't guess well.
They need to go up before a judge. They need to be sent to at least two years of military school, at parent's expense.
"@FRUST@TED I certainly don‘t know what you’re going on about. No one attacked JHRUSKY out of the blue and I certainly didn’t attack him. No one attacked him until he attacked first by insulting other posters in his responses to them and naturally he got back exactly what he deserved."
I must ask, do you lie on purpose or is it just a problem you have with readi'ng?
The very first post addressing my comments is below:
"JHRUSKY…You and like minded fools who think like you are the reason these little bastards act how they do!…Lets hug em and tell em everything is ok"
That's not an attack? I attacked first? Do you read well?
At least be honest when someone can go back and check the posts instead of making statements that are less than true.
Oh please don't send them to private school...this is what so many of us with kids in private school are trying to get away from! We all skimp and scrape by to pay for it, but sadly it leaks in there as well. So what is the solution other than homeschooling and keeping your kids completely away from what seems like the majority of society! It's so disturbing on many levels, but in general I see less and less respect for others every place I go. I guess we all just try to be the salt and the light and pray a lot :)
JRHusky Teaching is my second career. My first was the military and we took these same punk kids and turned them into stand up people. The secret ingredient was discipline. As a teacher these kids are normal. Bleeding heart liberals choose to ignore what must be done. There is no punishment, no discipline and no respect. It takes quite a while to turn these punks into productive students but they get no reinforcement in society. Education should NOT be mandatory. If they can't behave then they should be gone and it would solve most of the failing school problems. A second chance AFTER they have proven to have conducted themselves like human beings. Otherwise you have the criminals running the asylum. These kids have NO FEAR of talking to an adult like that. Everyone of those kids should have their backside tanned who participated in this. They should have to clean up streets, clean bathrooms and be made a lot more humble. It would build the character that they lack. Bullying, out of control behavior, and a plethora of bad attitude problems plague the public schools like a cancer. Teachers are not the only ones who should be held accountable--students should be made to conform, obey, and appreciate what they are getting for free. They squander it.
Many of you are suggesting that these brats should be expelled from the public school system. I don't disagree. But, you're suggesting that their parents should pay for them to go to private schools. PLEASE! The dear parents who are now paying for their students to have quality education in private schools certainly don't need these criminals-in-the-making polluting the classrooms of their private schools. And, having served as a teacher in public, private, and charter schools, I know that many private schools are so strapped for finances, and have such open-door policies, that they WILL let these ne'er-do-wells in their schools! They will be fooled by the sob stories of the masquerading parental figures, and will take them in, saying that they can help them. However, we know what will happen. The quality of education for the entire class will be lowered substantially by their presence. These kids need REMEDIAL public education. Just put them in a room and let them color. They are gone. Do I sound jaded? I've seen it over and over again.
The liberal lefts social experiment has been tried for forty years. Time to put the Bile back as the cornerstone of our education and nation. Off they don' t like it air fare is cheap down to Venezula, Russia, Cuba. Go live your utopia life some where else in this world. We the people, exceptional people honor their exceptiona nation, America. God is our rock!
This made me cry. I think the thing that is so incredibly sad is that these are kids. They will someday be adults. What has caused our children to behave in a manner such as this. Totally void of any compassion, empathy or sense of right and wrong. Yes, I know. When a group of them get together and someone in the group gets it going it`s easy to go along with the croud. I guarantee you that if there were just one child sitting their with the woman the child would be polite and not say a word to her unless she spoke to them first. And yes, when and if each of these students are questioned about their actions ther will be some of them who say they are remourseful and sorry that they did what they did. Perhaps they will be reprimanded. They better be. But it will not solve the problem for most of them. Reasons for their behavior are probably many. And yes I would guess that part of the blame lies with the parents of some of them. I believe that unless there is a dramatic change in our values as people as a whole this behavior will continue to surface. It really should make all of us as parents take a closer look at what we are teaching our children or rather what we are not teaching them. Very sad. I was thrilled to hear that people with kind hearts came together to raise the money for this lady.
Nope, suspend them for five days, about 20 hours of community service of washing buses, and one chance to redeem themselves. They blow it, kick them out for good.
I wouldn't hold my breath for redemption of these little nuggets of nasty, though. Odds are high they'll be having regular meetings with local law enforcement.
Well looks like Mr Kentucky JHRUSKY is a finalist for moron of the year... While he tries to yell from the rooftops how ignorant you are he doesn't quite get the justice of the problem. How about we as conservatives send, I don't know, 1000 protestors to your house tonight asking why you support bullying? Seriously, do you want that? Have fun with the protestors!!! Looks like wall street protestors just got their asses kicked by computer literate conservative people that know where you are. We are peaceful protestors. Just saying...
"The liberal lefts social experiment has been tried for forty years. Time to put the Bile back as the cornerstone of our education and nation."
The liberal left is far too left. Too far right is very similar. Turning schools into forced bible camps are not a good idea... unless, of course, you also want to don that white hood again, find a class of people to hate so you can tar and feather them, nail them to barns and shoot them, hang them, burn them alive, and other forms of "fun" these bible-thumpers had. Of course, they were right there in church, every Sunday, front row, showing what great "christians" they were.
"Well looks like Mr Kentucky JHRUSKY is a finalist for moron of the year…"
I have no idea what Mr Kentucky is, but ok...
" How about we as conservatives send, I don’t know, 1000 protestors to your house tonight asking why you support bullying? Seriously, do you want that? Have fun with the protestors!!!"
I've never supported bullying. Of course, you sure sound like you're calling the kettle black, Mr. pot. If I'm supposed to be scared or concerned with your idle threat, you need to try again.
"Looks like wall street protestors just got their asses kicked by computer literate conservative people that know where you are. We are peaceful protestors. Just saying…"
Geeze, Billy, you should probably run along home now as your mommy is probably wondering why you're not there yet as it's getting dark out.
"Too far right is very similar. Turning schools into forced bible camps are not a good idea… unless, of course, you also want to don that white hood again"
Let me get this straight:
Teaching children the bible in schools is the equivalent of the KKK?
These kids have no respect for their elders because there are no consequences in our society for anyone, it is always somebody else that is to blame for their reprobate conduct. Proverbs says that a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame, and that he that spareth the rod hateth his son, but that loveth him chasteneth him betimes. We wonder why kids run wild...there are no consequences. No child left behind is BS!!! These kids should be expelled for a year and then tied up in Jerry Sanduski's basement. He can practice running plays up the gut to improve Penn State offense.
what is the adress to donate to this woman, we need to donate enough for this woman to get out of that place. it is most definitely the parents upbringing of these future occuturds and the utter failure of our education system. if tht were my kids, they would be at this womans house appologizing then it would be the long ride home for the beatin of a lifetime.
I drive a school bus, so I'm closer to this problem than any other posters. We are told that we cannot touch the students anywhere but on the elbow. We have to watch our language around the students. You can imagine how high your blood pressure gets when you are putting up with this crap day in and day out. It is definitely the parent's problem. As we have more single parent homes and more and more kids living in poverty, some kids are never taught respect for authority. Some of these kids have major, major behavioral problems. To be a bus-aide or a school bus driver is a job without good pay, and with constant problems with students. Thank God I won't be doing this very much longer. Society has deteriorated so badly that the kids run the schools nowdays. I talked to a driver with 40 years experience, and he said when he started the kids were well behaved. This all happened since the early 1970's. Don't express any opinions on this topic until you've walked a mile in my shoes.
"Let me get this straight:
Teaching children the bible in schools is the equivalent of the KKK?"
I said that? Let's check...
“Too far right is very similar. Turning schools into forced bible camps are not a good idea… unless, of course, you also want to don that white hood again”
Hmmm ... I dont' see that. Unless you are not able to see the word "forced"?
Why so many of you have to continually add to comments made just so you can ridicule them certainly seems like you yourselves are dishonest.
No child in school should be taught the Bible unless they are in a specific school of their own religion. I don't want my child having to be taught the Southern Baptist religion and I doubt you want your child having to be taught Black Christian Theology. Thus the problem of teaching the Bible in public school; whose Bible?
Now, if you want to stated we should teach the golden rule, I am all for that. But please, do not put words into my statements that were not there to begin with. The point I was making was when we had schools teaching the Bible, we had those same people who advocated that running around in white hoods. That wasn't a good thing.
no, a child that has respect for others will pick on another.. especially an adult..
this level of a lack of respect at this age... comes from the home..either the respect is not there or parents talk like this.. i felt sorry for this woman..being hard of hearing may have been a good thing at that point.
"Proverbs says that a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame, and that he that spareth the rod hateth his son, but that loveth him chasteneth him betimes. We wonder why kids run wild…there are no consequences. No child left behind is BS!!! These kids should be expelled for a year and then tied up in Jerry Sanduski’s basement. He can practice running plays up the gut to improve Penn State offense"
And you quote Proverbs like you're some sort of Christian person? You guys prove my point so very many times: "christians", what hypocrites!
@JRHUSKY - While your idea is a noble one, you are being extremely naive. The problem most certainly lies with the parents. I am well aware of good kids making bad decisions. Having said that, from the last 16 years of experience, every little bully I have encountered are all products of their LOVELY parents. EVERY time my daughter came home from school and told me about someone being terribly nasty, when I met the parents (and I have met all of my child's friends' parents) it is VERY apprent why the kids behave this way. Life is hard and it has consequences. Even if a child is in poverty and has worthless parents, does not mean they should NOT suffer the consequences of their actions. Obviously, they are not learning how to be respectful, decent kids at home. Someone has to teach them there are consequences for their actions or they will ultimately be worse off. Being kicked out of school would be the best thing to happen to them. Maybe they will finally learn something. We have become too tolerant of this behavior that our moral structure is crumbling around us.
@JHRUSKY - I looked again and I see YOU needlessly attacking people FIRST. And, judging by your bizarre and obsessive need to confront and attack every single poster here while trying to force your hippie "Kumbaya" idiotic beliefs on them tells me that you're nothing short of a narcissistic sociopath.
Kicking these kids out of school does teach discipline. It shows the other kids as well as the kids being expelled that there are consequences to their actions. Kids today talk like this because they are part of the internet generation, where trolls are glorified in their eyes because they receive the most attention. They say whatever is the most hurtful because they KNOW nothing will happen to them, because just like a troll on a computer, they don't have to face any consequences!
I say these bad ass brats should have had their rear ends spanked regularly years ago, and not given everything they ever wanted. These little animals became this way over years of their parents and everyone along the way catering to their every whim. I see plenty of kids who don't behave this way and they come from homes where the parents are the parents and not following around their little bratty ass kid with stars in their eyes, like they're the next NFL draft pick. YES, IT IS A RESULT OF THE PARENTS AND THEIR LAZY STYLE OF PARENTING!
"This clip of middle schoolers allegedly abusing a bus monitor is so disgusting, so bothersome that it will leave many wondering what has gone awry in our society."
Why? Society is not New York. Society is dynamic, fluid and ever changing based on locality. There is no one collective "society". This is the same fallacy we find in the Left's claim of "Climate" change. No such thing, in a greater sense. Same here.
Middle schoolers here where I live are polite to a fault and act as if they are living in 1952, including please, thank you's and "Mr" and "Mrs" to adults. Don't foist the putrid culture of New York on us in flyover country please.
"@JHRUSKY – I looked again and I see YOU needlessly attacking people FIRST. And, judging by your bizarre and obsessive need to confront and attack every single poster here while trying to force your hippie “Kumbaya” idiotic beliefs on them tells me that you’re nothing short of a narcissistic sociopath."
Know what? I was thinking EXACTLY the same thing about JRHUSKY. This man's incessant need to counter EVERY post directed against him in a condescending, nose-in-the-air way, is nothing short of narcissism taken to ridiculous levels. I’d love to be his next-door neighbor; I’m sure my 21-years of active-duty military service and extremely conservative, traditional views on issues such as this would grate on every misfiring synapse in his touchy-feely, ex-biker, drug-addled brain.
If these kids would of been thought respect and discipline to begin with I would also agree that their parents weren't trash but they were not and there for they are trash!
Well fought sir. It's a shame people are in such a hurry to condemn that they don't take a moment and contemplate what you're saying. It's a courtesy I myself like to extend to my opponents, but one which is lacking, sadly, on most political boards these days. What you've noted, that I've read, is the individualist approach to parenting, which is that each family is different and each child that did this is different, and you started out of the gate saying that the kids in the video need punishment. The knee jerk condemnation you received serves to remind me what I remain libertarian instead of going conservative. Bad kids do not necessarily mean bad parents, and even bad kids can learn from correction and become good. Isn't that whole point of free will and individualism after all?
You spoke well and I salute you. Slainte.
I wonder what your kids are doing when your not around?
When I was in Junior High, I had an incident on the school bus which got me into trouble. A kid sitting behind me on the bus, who happened to be the spawn of the Superintendent, thought it was a wise thing to stab me through the seat back into my butt with a compass point. His laughter was interupted by my fist breaking his nose. There was cheering from most on the bus, because the little snot had done it before to others. I was not normally a violent person and it was a "fight or flight" reaction...self preservation instinct or something.
The next day, the bus driver showed me a note from said snot's mother complaining about the "bully" who attacked her precious child, and demanding that something be done about it. The bus driver told me to watch myself but next time break his arm. Fortunately there was never a next time as he had probably learned a valuable lesson, which was lucky for both of us.
That's how I learned to deal with a bully situation, and I never had to deal with bullying for the rest of my school career. I had street cred. Everybody saw his nose stuffed with cotton for 2 weeks.
Today, I would probably go to jail.
@MTCOUNTRYGRL - Not all children who live in NY and go to a public school are like the rotten vile children in this video. I'm a fourth-generation New York City resident who went through public elementary, middle, and high school and came out unscathed (and conservative). I loved my schools, and the same can be said for my siblings. We're lucky to have a strong family who backed us up the entire way and continue to do so. Sure, there were bad students and all of us (me, my siblings, my mom) were taunted at some point, but once those situations were dealt with, we were able to move on. Most of the time, you just keep going about your business, stick with the good crowd, stay out of trouble, and you're fine. Mind you, my parents and grandmother were always watchful over us and who we associated with. Frankly, some of the foulest mouths I've heard while riding on buses are those of private school children! However, that does not mean all of them are bad (my dad is a private school alumnus). Godless? NYC is, after all, the city of churches! What I want to know is why the DRIVER didn't stop the bus in that video, order those little pieces of vermin to shut up, and then tell their families in person that their child was no longer welcome on the bus and why. If their feelings (if they exist) are hurt, too bad. It's P.C. that needs to stop. I hope that everything works out for Ms. Klein, and that she doesn't have to deal with this savage bunch again. Stay strong Ms. Klein!
Since I do not believe you can possibly be that stupid, the only other explanation is that you are a liar. I accept that.
@ stu d. baker-hawk
"Know what? I was thinking EXACTLY the same thing about JRHUSKY. This man’s incessant need to counter EVERY post directed against him in a condescending, nose-in-the-air way, is nothing short of narcissism taken to ridiculous levels."
You are not an honest person are you? You can read the posts and you can see that I only sniped at those that first attacked me, but your clouded mind will not allow your brain to accept that will it. If you can find a post of mine being a smart-ass toward someone else PRIOR to them doing the same to me, point it out and I will publicly apologize for it. I respond in like ... lash out at me, you'll get the same in return.
Go ahead. Reread the posts directed at me then look at my response. You'll find exactly as I stated which means you are wrong. It has nothing to do with narcissism or nose-in-the-air. I hope you have the decency to be honest and check.
@ stu d. baker-hawk
And don't forget your very first post to me ... this is before I even knew you existed and, of course, therefore, before I directed a post at you:
"@JRHUSKY: No, sir, YOU are the problem, and those like you who say give the darling little angels another chance."
Immediately, you were stretching what I stated just a wee little bit. (Where I come from, that's called lying, but to each his own). Why did you insinuate I thought we should "give the darling little angels another chance"? You didn't read that I thought they should be punished, and what I was against was expulsion (i.e. permanent removal from school) and beating? How did you miss that?
Thank you, sir. I only try to post honestly here, but am become more and more convinced that The Blaze is attracting not conservative people, but rabid, ultra-conservatives with no allowance for anyone who looks, acts or thinks different than themselves. They seem to want clones of themselves in this world rather than all the different people. They have no tolerance for mistakes (as if they themselves don't make them!), and they want extreme and many times lethal punishments. I would not be surprised if they could make sport of putting others to death when they felt it appropriate.
Top all this off with a good number of them proclaim themselves to be "christians"! Talk about hypocrisy! I agree with you that calling oneself simply conservative anymore is not a good thing when conservatism is associated with some of these types, thus the reason I call myself a conservative Libertarian. My belief system is solid, but I am quite willing to listen to an opposing side of any argument, contemplate what is being stated, and then either remain of the thought I had on it, or modify my thought based on facts brought to the table. I do not want to believe I'm one of the few who do this; I just haven't found the others yet.
And, before someone else claims that is a narcissistic statement, it is not. The knee-jerk reaction from so many to my original post proves this.
Hey Scorpion, I disagree about kicking the kids out of school, but I do think revoking their bus privileges for a while would be wholly appropriate. That way getting back and forth to the school would be a hassle to the parents that should be teaching these little snots how to behave in public. Showing the parents exactly why this course of action is being taken, absolutely. When I was a kid about that age, I got to sit in on a video of me misbehaving in a class with my parents in the principal's office. It was.........therapeutic; thing is, I wasn't normally a hooligan, but that experience further straightened me out. Sometimes things get out of hand with kids that age, but an appropriate punishment should at least give those kids an opportunity to be better before expelling them.
"Hmmm … I dont’ see that. Unless you are not able to see the word “forced”?"
Oh..... So teaching kids about the bible in public schools is the equivalent of putting on a white hood, burning a cross in someone's front yard in the middle of the night, and possibly lynching someone?
Putting the word 'forced' in there doesn't change the asinine juxtaposition that you made. You are comparing teaching a religion in public schools to racism and the horrific treatment of black people. What a ridiculous comparison!
Saying, " let me tell you about Jesus" in public school is not even in the same stratosphere as lynching or tar and feathering someone.
"No child in school should be taught the Bible unless they are in a specific school of their own religion."
That is a red herring. That's great you believe that and we might even agree on that point. However, the issue is the comparison you made.
Are you an atheist?
I think are a few reasons why reason certain people are having a problem with you.
1. Just because someone is expelled from school doesn't mean they can never go to school again. For example, most towns have a public school for kids who are expelled. They attend a public school for troubled kids who exhibit bad behavior. Other kids can attend school in the next town.
Let me also reiterate my other point that it is the educational system coupled with trophy parenting this is causing the kids to behave this way. This not an isolated incident.
2. You seem to be down playing the actions of these kids. You have made statements like, "You give them a chance just like everyone should be given a chance.....but probably does not mean every child will be. These are still children no matter how hurtful they have been."
It is one thing for kids to mean mean to one another. It is another issue when kids sadistically taunt and swear at a 70 year women. Think about that for a minute:
Would anyone from your generation have ever threatened, insulted, or used profanities aimed at a grandmother?
If the answer to that question is no, you have to concede that the issue is not simply a few kids who made a mistake and should be punished like they skipped school. The issue is the fundamental break down of the American culture. This is why many people on this board are taking the issue very seriously.
3. You are constantly insulting Christians and inserting Christianity
They are children of wrath. The very rot in our society is the now day judgement of God on a morally bankrupt debased humanity. Gods word makes it very clear that when we do not retain Him in our knowledge He will give us over to reprobate minds. God has been so much more patient with this society than He was in the days of Noah. His now day judgement and soon coming wrath is and will be totally justified. A depraved society will reap what they sow and suffer the consequences for exchanging the truth of God for a lie. Holy God + vile sinner = depravity = wrath.
This shows the demerits of a collectivised school program.
Federal funding has hurt, not helped.
Local control - yield back the local control, so the parents have more direct say in how their own schools are run. Throw off the tyranny of DC.
After bringing the parents in to view the video, how about offering community service to the culprits? Something like 40 hours of cleaning the toilets of a Senior Citizen Center or some other imaginative humiliation. Just an offer, with the threat of the children being held back in the same grade next year. I don't think we can blame the parents, but they can surely involve them now.
I am so glad we home schooled for 14 years. This can be done very cheap. We did this partly when home schooling was not allowed in any state. We had to stay on the move. Kids all turned out great. Government schools should all be shut down.
@ JR I understand your concern for the kids. I have it too. However, my response to the concern is quite different. My concern is that if these children and their parents do not endure consequences to these and other similar actions, these and other children like them will get the idea as we have put forth with the rest of society that is some perverted, sick and disgusted way this is ok. I can do what I want and nothing really serious is going to happen to me. It sickens me to see the children of today, who are coached by their parents to be so, have the attitude that “It’s all about me”.
These children were WAY out of line. Where did they learn to put forth such hatred towards another human being? How are they ever going to unlearn it? Their punishment as a minimum must be expulsion for the school district forever. If their parents want to move to some other school district then fine. If that school district will take them in--have at it. If I were the parent of one of these children, they would mow her lawn, wash her car, clean her house, polish her shoes, and do every other imaginable chore that she ever might want until I no longer were their parent. I would have to do this from a hole in ground due to the overwhelming shame I would feel.
If we allow this to be accepted in any way our country is doomed! Financial ruin won’t matter. Oil prices won’t matter. Whatever happens in the world won’t matter.
Yup! See folks? JHRUSKY stepped right in and proved my point. He's an obsessive-compulsive narcissistic sociopath and he simply cannot help himself. It's sad, really. Imagine having to be him and having to live under THAT burden? I guess there are meds that can help but....truly sad.
@SLOWBIDEN That's an insult to janitors.
Welcome to the "JHRUSKY Versus the World" Show.
American society is doomed. This is so repugnant. The laughter speaks volumes, even more so than the statements themselves. If this is who our children are, the Muslim country's are right, we are indeed the Great Satan. The parents of these children no doubt will deflect the blame and protect their little angels, with excuses like those being forwarded here by some comments. There is no excuse for this behavior, none, zero, zilch; it is inexcusable. Alas, it is the excuses that has got us to this point.
Say all you want about the belts and rulers generations; but if you think the criminals that came up with belts and rulers were nefarious, watch what comes out of the hordes of the excused and special generation.
Saddest part is that they will not be able to trust a single soul, and will be isolated never knowing hard love or true compassion. What we have done is damned this generation; they will never have a single moment of fulfillment and will be completely ignorant as to the reason why.
I am sorry then. However, we do not know (both the original poster or us) whether the children already have a record of behavioral issues. I have a feeling this is not a first offense. It is just the first on camera (which is stupid of the kids).
I am willing to bet these kids have a history of abuse of other kids, teachers and adults in general. As a large person of stature (IE FAT) person myself, I know how kids/teens make fun of people. They look directly at you and lean to their friend/sibling/family and make a comment look at you and laugh. They have no care or concern for the feelings attached to the person.
They do the same to tall and short kids/people. Children are quite mean. My father never had to teach me how to treat people. I had the church, G_d and the Bible for that. It helped me understand how to be an active member of society.
I understand some kids do not have a connection with G_d, but it is their parents responsibility to instill the basics of "treat others as you would expect to be treated." I am afraid this is but a rabbit hole, and there is no telling how deep it may go.
Throwing them out of school permanently may extreme, but so is their behavior. It could be until the children learn how to behave in public. Or force them to transfer to another school (as the original poster said MY school). Sounds fitting. Now their parents have to send them across county to attend school and lose seeing friends.
jhrusky, Most schools are a repository for kid, they don't care about education (the kids) parents are disconnected from that, Talk to some of the teachers you will find out that some of these students are incorrigible and cant be taught. These are the future welfare recipients or at worst prison fodder.
Teacher are not allowed to discipline these kids so they get bold and disrespect, or at worst actually assault school teachers , monitors , and drivers.
The feds need to completely out of the equation and return funding to the state and local control, and let the schools decide on how and what will be done instead of the feds.
"Stabbing or beating her up should result in jail time, thus I guess that would warrant expulsion"
But badgering and ridiculing a person to the point they may feel an outcast and could result in taking their own life should be less of an offense?
I am sorry JH, you are wrong on this. Any person with eduction as low as psychology 101 will tell you the deepest wounds carried are the psychological ones. Bruises and bones mend. The psychological damage could be unable to repair at all.
This type of behavior is behind many issues with serial killers (AHEM Columbine Trench Coat Mafia). https://home.comcast.net/~imswalkabout/Tips%20for%20When%20Teasing%20Goes%20Too%20Far.pdf
"Jeffrey Dahmer was an awkward child that was constantly bullied."
"[John Wayne] Gacy grew up with a father who berated him daily for not living up to preconceived notions of what a 'man' should be, school kids and neighbors who bullied and tormented him, and a society that struggled with acceptance of a lifestyle it did not understand."
We never talk of the repercussions bullying has on people. FACT: Serial Killers mostly come from middle class families and have a feeling of no control in their life. Why? Do the math.
I agree the only school these kids should attend is a reform school. The last I knew threatening a person with a knife was a crime.
"I only try to post honestly here, but am become more and more convinced that The Blaze is attracting not conservative people, but rabid, ultra-conservatives with no allowance for anyone who looks, acts or thinks different than themselves."
I found this hysterical and completely stereotypical.
Let me disprove your "theory".
1) We have tons of Rose-Ellen's and other Progressive trolling here than Ultra-Conservatives.
2) The fact you call people "Ultra-Conservative" makes me wonder what you classify as conservative. You know that the current "Conservative" platform is the old "Liberal" platform, right? I mean before the Progressive hijacked the term "Liberal". For example, look up Classical Liberal. Realize that Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, Samuel Adams, and most founding fathers were "Liberal" (under the original "classical" sense). This is the same as those who are the Libertarian Party today. Liberal and Libertarian come from the root word of "Liberal". You can thank the Communist & Socialist Progressives for muddying the waters on the conservative and liberal labels.
3) With #2 in mind, I am a Liberal. so LMAO.
right on. These kids need better role models. clearly, they see and hear this talk at home; maybe worse. If this cycle is not broken these young haters will be the Tryvon Martins of the future in one way or another. And the probably already sexually active girls will be single moms on the dole. A great future, right?
You sir have brought up some valid points.Kids at this age aren't a carbon copy of their parents.Outside influences play a much larger role than maybe they should.Contrary to the popular opinion on here ,not all the trouble kids get into, is a reflection of their parents or their parenting skills.
THIS A REFLECTION ON THE KIDS THEMSELVES AND THE CHOICES THEY MADE, NOT THE PARENTS.It requires very stern punishment from the parents.It doesn't require expulsion as that has the capacity to possibly damage them permanently.Normally I'd say that corporal punishment in this age bracket is not the most appropriate.However in this case I believe it is.I'd say a good doubled back belt to the backsides is in order.Followed by six weeks of grounding[complete]and possibly if possible a public apology to said victim.Preferably on the evening local news.
We require kids to attend school. Some kids don't even want to attend school. So our punishment is to kick them out of school when they misbehave? Don't throw me in that briar patch! Schools have lost authority over students because we have lost the ability to discipline them as needed until they conform to the rules. Is that cruel? As adults we must conform to rules. What are we teaching our kids? We do the students a horrible disservice to allow them to think there really are no consequences for their actions. Get the Feds out of schools entirely, and like SCORPION 1 says: return discipline to our schools. Boys respond to physical pain; you people that don't believe that probably aren't one. As young men we need immediate and convincing evidence that whatever we were doing was unacceptable. Line them up, spank their butts with a paddle, and they'll learn. The dysfunction of the system in place is creating these little disrespectful monsters......or, we can just keep trying the "time out" approach as we have been, and the first "real spanking" they get will be the penal system.
Scorpion1, I couldn't agree more. If these heartless, soulless little monsters are identified (and SHAME on the parents if they don't cooperate), they should be given 500 hours of community service in homeless shelters, low-income nursing homes, etc. Maybe then they would learn some compassion -- where they can't gang up on the helpless! Every time I see a kid -- or adult -- behaving like a cretin, I say a silent thank you to the doctor who performed my hysterectomy!
Right on SCORPION! Don't let JHRUSKY get to you.His head is stuck somewhere other than on his neck.
WOW! This makes me angry. I wouldn't normally use bad language here but these kids need to have their asses kicked. The problem with punks like this is that even if they were to have good parents, those parents aren't allowed to raise a finger in response to bad behavior like this. I am not advocating child abuse but these children have crossed a line. They know that there are no consequences for this. (at least no consequences that matter to them) When kids treat people like this, they should get smacked right in their nasty little mouths. I'm sure that a great number of people here know exactly what I'm talking about. Our parents would have kicked our asses up one side of the house and down the other. In a fair and just world, these children would be punished for this. They won't be though.
"Putting the word ‘forced’ in there doesn’t change the asinine juxtaposition that you made. You are comparing teaching a religion in public schools to racism and the horrific treatment of black people. What a ridiculous comparison!"
That was a bad comparison I made. What I attempted to do was to show how teaching the Bible, attending church, etc., does not necessarily mean the people doing so are good people as the racists and KKK members of past claimed "christianity". However, I failed in that comparison. Your observation is noted and understood.
“'No child in school should be taught the Bible unless they are in a specific school of their own religion.'”
"That is a red herring. That’s great you believe that and we might even agree on that point. However, the issue is the comparison you made."
Noted and agreed.
"Are you an atheist?"
No. I am a Christian.
"Let me also reiterate my other point that it is the educational system coupled with trophy parenting this is causing the kids to behave this way. This not an isolated incident."
The educational system is broken in many ways. I've never stated different. Trophy parenting is not a good thing. I've never stated different. However, some kids will be bad even though they come from good parents.
"2. You seem to be down playing the actions of these kids. You have made statements like, “You give them a chance just like everyone should be given a chance…..but probably does not mean every child will be. These are still children no matter how hurtful they have been.”"
How is giving a child a 2nd chance downplaying what they did? I NEVER stated they should not be punished harshly. People keep reading that into my statement, yet it is not there.
"The issue is the fundamental break down of the American culture. This is why many people on this board are taking the issue very seriously."
That is a problem, but again, I've never denied that issue.
"3. You are constantly insulting Christians and inserting Christianity"
That is an irritating point for me for the people that in one statement claim how we should be Christians, yet they turn around and make statements like they would shoot and kill a child for even stealing a candy bar or ostricize people for their sexual preference, or any one of many other items.
Way back when I went to school, they sent you home for chewing gum. My how times have changed! This is beyond disturbing!
"My concern is that if these children and their parents do not endure consequences to these and other similar actions, these and other children like them will get the idea as we have put forth with the rest of society that is some perverted, sick and disgusted way this is ok. I can do what I want and nothing really serious is going to happen to me."
We agree on this. We disagre on what that serious punishment is to be.
"It sickens me to see the children of today, who are coached by their parents to be so, have the attitude that “It’s all about me”."
I still say if it's their parents who taught them this, then their parents' parents are also guilty as they must have taught it to their children. Thus, whom do we blame? How about stop blaming and start fixing? Everyone wants to play the blame game. Let's fix items -- we cannot change the past, but we can make the future better.
"These children were WAY out of line. Where did they learn to put forth such hatred towards another human being? How are they ever going to unlearn it?"
Perhaps their parents, or perhaps the media. But, maybe at least some of it is just children being children. Kids make fun of people that are different. Heck, so do adults. I'll bet you know some idiot adult whom also laughs at people whom are different.
"2) The fact you call people “Ultra-Conservative” makes me wonder what you classify as conservative."
I classify conservative as pro-life, capitalistic, generous. I classify ultra conservative as to add racist, anti-freedom, holier-than-thou, judgemental to those. Reading the blogs shows these ultra-conservative traits many times by many people in their posts. I've heard from those that paint all muslims with the same brush, those that want to classify all blacks as lazy, dangerous and stupid, those that want to jail gay and lesbians for simply living their lives in private, many that advocated being allowed to shoot and kill anyone stealing anything for any reason, even a starving man to feed his family out of desperation or a 12 year old kid in a candy store, and so much more. If you read the stories with open eyes, anyone can see this here. To me, that does not sound very Christian and I doubt Jesus would have done the same.
"You know that the current “Conservative” platform is the old “Liberal” platform, right?"
No, I am not aware of that, but I find this interesting thus I will see what I can find out about it.
You can thank the Communist & Socialist Progressives for muddying the waters on the conservative and liberal labels.
Here is some material:
Not the best but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism
Dr Nigel is awesome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU-8Uz_nMaQ
The Rise, Fall, and Renaissance of Classical Liberalism: http://www.fff.org/freedom/0892c.asp
It is some beautiful stuff. Sad that being a liberal has such a negative meaning today, when its definition is opposite what it really means.
As for the racist comments on here? I don't think they are Ultra-Conservative. They are the branch of David Dukes and other supremacy groups. It is sad that they are classified as even conservative. They are a progressive move to corrupt the image of the conservative party. Most a socialists... You just have to realize that NAZIs were National Socialists. Why do you think the KKK and Neo-NAZIs joined forces?
You have to learn that they are no more "Conservative" than Obama is "Liberal" by true definitions. They are just Nationalist Progressives and Obama (and most Democrats) is a Globalist Progressive. The Nationalist Progressives are a tool to create confusion with the Libertarian and the Occupy movement. Hence, why David Duke has aligned with Occupy. Notice the eerie similar message of the TEA Party and Occupy? The TEA Party, luckily, does not embrace the hate speech. People think they are defeated, but they are hard at work on the grass roots level.
G_d Bless the USA and TEA Party!
I wonder how those kids would feel if the monitor was a man that had the bus stopped and went to "behavior modification mode" and whooped some butt as an attitude adjustment exercise. Course the "parents" of these lil angels would be all upset til they had their butts whipped for allowing their juvinile delinquents act up like they do. That's what really needs to happen.
Morals are devolving in this country at a rapid pace; thoughts become words, words become actions - all because some have lost they're since of 'RIGHT AND WRONG'. It is a sad testiment to what we have become.
JHRUSKY You remark that these kids should "go to a meeting"is hard to take seriously. That is a punishment? It's encouragement. They are our scary future and could move in next door to you. If these kids are that disrespectful, vile and vulgar at this age they will only get worse and be a danger to themselves and others if it's not taken in hand now and dealt with harshly. If my children had ever behaved that way I don't think I'd speak to them for 6 months. I raised them respectful of elders, life and property.
all the kids that attacked this offical should be suspended from the bus for 1 year unless thee are with their parent. This forces the parents to take responcability for their own kids.I garonte that a good old fashion butt whipping with a belt.
I am with you Trashy people raise trashy kids. The apple does not fall far from the tree with those kids. They should never be allowed back in school in the USA again.
"However, some kids will be bad even though they come from good parents."
That may be true but but the vast majority of kids who misbehave and get into a lot of trouble come from dysfunctional homes. I can't remember the exact statistic but something like 80% of people in prison come from broken homes.
Secondly, when you keep stating that some bad kids might have good parents, it sounds like you are down playing the issue and don't understand or possibly disagree that this an indication that the culture is in big trouble. This is not just an isolated incident. Kids from all over the country are acting like this.
"How is giving a child a 2nd chance downplaying what they did? I NEVER stated they should not be punished harshly. "
Because it shows that you don't understand how serious the issue is. You have repeatedly made comments like this:
"But, maybe at least some of it is just children being children. Kids make fun of people that are different. Heck, so do adults. I’ll bet you know some idiot adult whom also laughs at people whom are different."
You are equivocating. On one hand you are saying that this a big deal and then you say some of it is kids just being kids. It can't be a serious issue that is indicative of a cultural decline and kids just being kids at the same time..
cont. @ JHR
When I was in High school, two girls were sitting in the back of the bus and started smoking. The bus driver turned the bus around and took us back to school. The principal came out and told everyone that we couldn't get back on the bus until he knew who was smoking. The two girls came forward, they had to stay at school and have their parents pick them up. They couldn't ride the bus for awhile and received a two week in school suspension.
That is an example of kids being stupid and deserving a second chance. These kids were sadistically harassing and threatening a grandmother on a school bus. You cannot say that is kids being kids. If that were the case you would have seen this kind of behavior in other generations.
This would have been unthinkable for the worst kid in my middle school and high school. It would have never happened. I asked you that very question.
Would anyone from your generation have ever threatened, insulted, or used profanities aimed at a grandmother? You didn't answer my question.
If the answer is no, this cannot be just kids being kids and you have to concede that the issue is not simply a few kids who made a mistake and should be punished like they skipped school.
Cont. @ JHR
Look at how upside down this culture has become. They talked about stabbing her, breaking into her house and stealing things. That is assault and threatening to commit a crime. Yet, the kids are the ones who have police protection because the video went viral. Why are they not being charged with assault and threatening to break into her house?
That is reinforcing the notion that that adults can not touch them no matter what they say or do. When I was in high school I had a friend who worked pretty hard to buy a Mustang. He caught a 13 year-old breaking into his car. My friend literally kicked the crap out of the kid. The kid had to go to the hospital. The police told my friend that he went to far but didn't change him and the kid was charged with breaking into a car.
If that happened today my friend would be the one who was being charged and the kid who broke into the car would be driving it after his parents filed a law suit.
I am not advocating beating 13 year-olds but certain actions have repercussions to them. We are teaching kids they they can do anything they want, they will not get into trouble for anything and there is nothing an adult can do to stand in their way.
"That is an irritating point for me for the people that in one statement claim how we should be Christians, yet they turn around and make statements like they would shoot and kill a child for even stealing a candy bar "
Did someone say that? I don't recall that comment. You have been all over place accusing people of misrepresenting your position, if no one said that you are doing the same thing.
"ostricize people for their sexual preference,"
Why do you continually stereotype Christians if you are one? What does ostracizing people for their sexual preferences mean?
The bible is pretty clear that homosexuality is a sin just like it is clear that living a Jersey Shore lifestyle is also a sin. Do you think Christians should reject the bible and embrace a lifestyle that is contrary to biblical teachings?
Are you referring to same-sex marriage when you say that Christians are ostracizing homosexuals?
As a conservative Christian, I find most of you are rather rude to JHrusky. He never said he wasn't against punishing them or letting them get away with what they did. He just said never letting them come back to school was a travesty. And a lot of you jumped down his throat. I do believe in expulsion and that these kids need it.
I have a neighbor (8th grader going into 9th) who was just expelled. He took a knife to school for self defense. He thought he was gonna beat up. I believe that he truly believes he was going to get beat up. I don't believe he was going to be but I believe that's what he thought. Anyway they found the knife he was expelled and summer vacation started early for him and he gets to go on to the 9th grade without repeating a thing! Expulsion is only a punishment if it actually is treated like one. There are many free schools out there that will take in kids who have been expelled. Again I have a friend who was expelled when he was 16. His parents put him in another school for expelled kids. He later dropped out and know works for dell with only a GED. Expulsion doesn't ruin lives. People ruin their lives.
So we all need to stop bickering over pointless things like punishment for kids we don't even know and putting words in each others mouths. What these kids did was awful and they do at least need to be banned from the bus and in my opinion much more. However that doesn't mean we need to stoop to their (the kids in the video) level and bully ea
"JHRUSKY You remark that these kids should “go to a meeting”is hard to take seriously. That is a punishment? It’s encouragement"
If I stated they should ONLY "go to a meeting", you'd have a valid point. Contrarily, I have stated multiple times that yes, each one should meet with school officials along with their parents, but also there should be additional harsh punishment.
"Secondly, when you keep stating that some bad kids might have good parents, it sounds like you are down playing the issue and don’t understand or possibly disagree that this an indication that the culture is in big trouble. This is not just an isolated incident. Kids from all over the country are acting like this."
I don't doubt this. I, too, think the culture is in big trouble. But, at the same time, I see no useful purpose in painting everyone with the same brush. I certainly believe it's better for 100 criminals to go free than for one innocent person to be incarcerated. I don't believe the good of the many outweight the good of the few in any instance. And I am not in any way downplaying the severity of this issue.
"You are equivocating. On one hand you are saying that this a big deal and then you say some of it is kids just being kids. It can’t be a serious issue that is indicative of a cultural decline and kids just being kids at the same time"
Just because it could be kids being kids does not in any way make it less serious, at least in my mind. Kids have always been mean towards each other ... I do not think they have towards adults but am unsure on that point. (Not all kids, mind you, but some percentage has). My intent, and I believe my postings, have not in any way meant to downplay this issue. I only believe we must teach these children if teachable, and I believe most are. Explusion only teaches them they lose too much.
"Would anyone from your generation have ever threatened, insulted, or used profanities aimed at a grandmother? You didn’t answer my question.
A few, yes. And herd mentality would have made a few more brave once it began. Others would have chastised the harrassers for their cruelty.
"If the answer is no, this cannot be just kids being kids and you have to concede that the issue is not simply a few kids who made a mistake and should be punished like they skipped school."
It's not a simple mistake and it's not a "normal" happening. However, I still do not believe explusion is in order which is exactly what I have stated from the beginning. Explusion around here is permanent, forever, period. Some have claimed it just means a month, a year, some form of limited time. Here that would be suspension, not explusion.
That stated, if this is a repeat offense by these kids, then that may well change. But, the report did NOT state it was a repeat offense and I don't like assuming.
The other part of my post was they should not be beat. No child deserves to be beat, ever. An adult beating a child is a bully and a bad parent to boot.
"Look at how upside down this culture has become. They talked about stabbing her, breaking into her house and stealing things. That is assault and threatening to commit a crime. Yet, the kids are the ones who have police protection because the video went viral. Why are they not being charged with assault and threatening to break into her house?"
I would not object to those being charged with assault. I never discussed that option. We are in agreement on many of these things.
"That is reinforcing the notion that that adults can not touch them no matter what they say or do."
That's a tough road to go down. Adults being allowed to hit/beat/harm a minor opens the door for terrible abuse. (Parents should be allowed to spank, however)
"We are teaching kids they they can do anything they want, they will not get into trouble for anything and there is nothing an adult can do to stand in their way."
And that is something that needs to be fixed, but yet again, beating the child, or taking away his/her chance for an education certainly is not going to make the problem any better nor should it be done to kids. Expel from the bus, perhaps, Suspend from school for a week, a month, perhaps. Expulsion, no.
"Did someone say that? I don’t recall that comment. You have been all over place accusing people of misrepresenting your position, if no one said that you are doing the same thing."
In another discussion it was about using lethal force to stop a thief. My point was there are times when we certainly don't kill a thief, many, many others disagreed and pointed out they would even shoot to kill a child stealing a candy bar.
"Why do you continually stereotype Christians if you are one?"
I stereotype "christians", not Christians, and I've always plainly written it that way to make my point. Christians are those that have accepted Christ as their personal savior and live by the golden rule. "christians" are those that like to brag about their "christianity" and are, essentially, hypocrites and bigots.
"The bible is pretty clear that homosexuality is a sin just like it is clear that living a Jersey Shore lifestyle is also a sin. Do you think Christians should reject the bible and embrace a lifestyle that is contrary to biblical teachings?"
Have you read some of the discussions about gay people on the blaze? Have you heard the demeaning and insulting jokes "christians" here tell? It is not my, nor your, business how people live their private lives. We only answer to God.
I am against same sex marriage only because marriage has a definition and I don't think we should just change definitions because times change.
Here is a perfect example from another blaze story about these children coming from a so-called "christian" ...
Posted on June 22, 2012 at 1:00pm
In the Old Testament these kids would have been taken outside the town and stoned to death. There were no prisons in Israel. Punishment was immediate. These kids would have set a good example stoned to death for the rest of society. This was God’s plan. As for the parents, Proverbs says the parents do not love their children because they have raised them as bastards and not their own family. The children are bastards of the parents according to Proverbs. Proverbs places the blame on the parents and states they do not really love their children otherwise they would have never raised their children to disrespect and hate. These are not acts of love by the children and not acts that demonstrate training and care by the parents. The parents are sick individuals. This is what God says. I agree."
Now, if that isn't as vile, low, idiotic and even sad as they come, I don't know what is. As I have stated, "christians", what hypocrites.
I hope I never come across anything like that going on because I would snap their necks for them.
Though I do actually agree with a lot of your sentiment regarding children needing to be given a second chance, where do you get off claiming that KKK and other racists of their ilk claiming Christianity? The KKK has NOT claimed Christianity. Quite the contrary. The KKK has burned churches and crosses, for crying out loud. They hate the church just as much as they hate those of the African American race. Not only is that comparison misguided, but it, MOST CERTAINLY, is based on a flat out lie.
"Just because it could be kids being kids does not in any way make it less serious, at least in my mind. Kids have always been mean towards each other"
1. You are conflating kids being mean to kids, with kids sadistically tormenting a grandmother.
Did an incident like this happen when you were in middle school or high school?
2. The notion that this was just kids being kids is contradictory to believing that this is a serious issue. Skipping school would be an example of kids being kids. This isn't in the same ball park as skipping school.
The notion of group think or good kids following bad kids comes directly from our educational system. Educational bureaucrats have been saying for years that since our economy has become a service economy, functioning within a group is more important than education. The educational system is creating kids like this but we shouldn't remove the kids from the educational system is another contradictory idea.
If you treat this like the kids cutting a class, what do you think these kids are going to act like when they are 21?
June 9, 2012 at 1:39pm
Enough of this bullcrap. Get on with the trial and then execute this bastard. He is making a mockery of justice. I am beginning to lose all respect for the military leadership and upper echelon. I believe we have a bunch of bleeding heart libs in charge of the military and if we are not careful we will lose our military superiority.
May 7, 2012 at 1:15pm
I do not f—-ing believe this. It really looks like we have traitors in the pentagon. I know it is full of liberals but they have gone too far. I spent 2years in Afghanistan and another year training the Mujahadeen after that. They are very deceptional and will tell you anything to get their way. I have given up on this administration and can only pray Obama is defeated. When Romney gets in office he needs to clean house at the Pentagon. I put in 26 years in the CIA and knows the Afghan people very well. This is not good believe me
March 4, 2012 at 2:46pm
I cannot believe this crap. If any disciplinary actiion is taken we should all march to the white house and have a little quran burning party. Perhaps in the same square across from the white house where the OWS protests were held. Navy vet and 26 years wsith CIA. 2.5 years in Afghanistan and that place should have been fire bombed years ago. I cannot believe this administration doesn’t realize they are being played by some very shrewd people. The Afghan is very smart as they have been doing this for hundreds of years and will continue long after we leave. Come on Odumbo, pull your head of where the sun doesn’t shine. Our military leadership should also do the same as I have lost all respect for them. Nothing but a bunch of career chasers who are afraid of not being PC.
February 22, 2012 at 1:44pm
I happened to hear General Dempsey’s remarks. Obummer has finally put a man in as Chairman of the Joint chiefs that he really wanted. Dempsey is a total waste. Polititcal Generals never should be in power but this is where the Military Leadership has taken us. If we are lucky enough to put a new man in the White House come November, his first duty should be to retire this guy and many more in thaat Pentagon. I could not believe how Allen was falling all over himself apologizing for burning a few Qurans. Take a look at what they do to christians.. Whaat a bunch of putz’s wse have running this military. I served 20 yeaars and another 26 in the Intel community and I can tell you right now this country is in deep doo doo. Time for a major change..
Remember .. they burned Bibles .. and that was a okay!
We need americans like Dempsey who are not afraid to apologize when an injustice has been done.You right wingers are too wedded to Fox anti muslim arab propaganda. which feeds you genocidal fantasies.reality though is trumping your brainwashed fantasies and Dempseys apology is an indication of it.hopefully one day the arab/israeli conflict will get a rational response too.
When you enter the airport in Saudia Arabia, they confiscate the Holy Bible and shred it on the spot. During Desert Storm, we had to camouflage the covers of the Holy Bible to get them to our troops that were there to protect the muslims. Have you ever heard Obama call the Bible of christians holy? He always calls the Quran Holy,but not the Bible?
Thank you for your service Scorpio 1. I can't imagine your level of dismay as a veteran. Little old me sitting here as a civilian is sick over what our military must endure under this disaster of an administration. Praying things change for the better in November, if we get that far.
February 2, 2012 at 1:29pm
Sorry Godfather1, under the Bush administration no guns ever crossed the border. Purchasers and the weapons were collected before crossing the border. Look it up…..
January 31, 2012 at 1:08pm
Fox, you are doing a huge disservice to your viewers by having Bpb Beckel on this show, or on any show on fox. For him to sit there and say he has never seen anything so dispicable, or disgraceful towards another politician is in itself a huge lie. Luckily Gutfeld let loose because I guess Beckel has never heard any rhetoric that comes out of Jesse jackson’s, Al Sharpton’s, Jackson-Lee, Maxine Waters or any other progressive. Fox, you need to get rid of this guy on this Network. I like the Five but refuse to watch it with him on lit. Any other lib wsould be good but not him.
January 13, 2012 at 12:46pm
I previously posted when this first hit The Blaze that no way third graders wrote those lyrics. The school board member who positively said tghe students wrote the lyrics should be recalled and the teacher and principal fired. They all knew what was going on and condoned it. I am really glad my Grand Kids are home schooled. People need to wake up and take back control of the school system in this country.
January 3, 2012 at 12:28pm
My ass these 3rd grade students wrote this on their own. The school board needs to clamp down on these clowns in the Albemarle county schools. Kids are failing SOL and the teachers are promoting this crap. My grand kids are home schooled, previously in a Christian school, but the Chrfistian school became a little too political for my Daughter. All three of my grand kids are almost done with their Home School cirriculum while the School they used to attend is only 1/4 of the dway through and they never do finish the courses. However, I seriously doubt whether anything will change in Albemarle with the University of Virginia. Nothing but a bunch of Libs in that area but people better wake up and start electing people who keep politics out of the school system
December 26, 2011 at 12:48pm
Well, now I have seen everything. My son and daughter were both in the JROTC at Atlantic High in Boynton Beach Florida. Their pictures in uniform have sit on my Armoir in the bedroom for 30 years. I just removed them!!!!! I don’t know what is going on in this country but, the leadership in our military needs to be turned around or perhaps just fired. Next thing they will be wsearing Bhurkas in the military.JROTC. This makes me sick to my stomach.
December 22, 2011 at 1:27pm
I am a 20 year Navy Veteran and this turns my stomach. They call this a random photo. Yeah right!
I whole heartedly support the Sailors and Soldiers of our Armed forces but I do not support the Pentagon Elites, as I like to call them. As of today I will no longer donate anything to the Military. I have already boxed up medals and ribbons and put them in the attic. I no longer display awards I received while on active duty. Rescinding the “Don’t Ask Don’t tell” was the most imbecilic thing the Military leaders could have done. Next they’ll be moving into housing on the base, if they not already done so. If I lived net door I would move out. Matter of fact I would probably get out of the Military.
What a disgrace to our fine Military…
October 23, 2011 at 3:12pm
I do believe the ******** should learn to read and comprehend what they read. The article does not say there are 1.4 million gang members in the military. Get a life people. This is typical of the lefties tring to distort facts in a story….
October 22, 2011 at 1:21pm
I would sincwewly hope this Principal no onger is gainfully employed. I could see the handwriting on the wall when the military lifted dadt. I have since notified the Navy Department to never contact me again. They are looking at major problems in the military. I fear there will be many “missing at sea” episodes. Ships are just too crowded to have this openly….. We need to take this country back from these Socialist Liberal people bring some sanity back. The students should have walked out and not returned for several days. Parents should be outraged over this, but being in HARTFORD, the attitude was probably “oh well”.
September 25, 2011 at 1:15pm
I believe it is time for the coaches to make a stand. Closing ur eyes is not praying. Tell the School board, principal, or whoever, buzz off. If they persist then they should all turn in their resignations effective immediately and walk off the field. I realize the kids may not like this but it is time to stand up to these idiots. We just had an incident here in Virginia where Banana Man was strongly discipline for basically nothing. Public opinion was so strong the school administration had to back down. The Superintendant of Schools apologized, pulicly, for the principal. No, I would have made the Principal apologize to the student and everyone involved publicly and then the Superintgendant should have told her to pack up..
September 23, 2011 at 1:07pm
I just went out and bought an exirbitant amount of hershey’s chocolate. Hershey’s should fire them all and the State Department should cancel their visa’s. Let them go home and find a job.
MMMMMMM this chocolate is really good……..
September 21, 2011 at 1:44pm
HMMMM, being from the area this happened I do not recollect reading about it in the local “RAG”. I see the principal, Female has a PHD. I guess that stands for “Piled High and Deep” this lady needs to get a life. I would go as far to say that if this had been some big athlete nothing would have happened… Anyway “FREE THE BANANA MAN”
September 19, 2011 at 1:15pm
Bring it on sir! That will probably the last thing you would do in your lifetime if you decided to put it on me Have a nice day.
June 24, 2011 at 1:08pm
oops the previous post should read I have an excellent solution
June 24, 2011 at 1:06pm
I have an excellent for Lynn Woolsey. Congress should send her to live in Gaza and once there revoke her passport and citizenship. She has the right to voice her opinion but not towards a valued ally. She is a disgrace but this does not surprise me as she is from California. There is something definitely wrong with those people on the Left coast. I can speak from experience as my wife’s relatives live in Cal. and they seem to have the same problem