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snooop1e

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  • October 24, 2014 at 6:32pm

    @worldsapart

    You quote John 3:16 but have you read John 3:36?

    I was an Evangelical/Protestant for about 30 years and I had a habit of focusing on specific verses that I really liked and not really focusing to much on the verses before or after.

    If you keep on reading and go to the very last verse (John 3:36) says,
    John 3:36

    Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not OBEY the Son SHALL NOT SEE LIFE, but the wrath of God remains on him.

    Several Bibles (KJV included) translate the Greek word apeitheó (which means to disobey) as “do not believe” or “believeth not”

    Of the 13 Bibles listed below only one, the KJV translates apeitheo (ap-i-theh’-o) as “believeth not”

    NIV – rejects
    NLT – does not obey
    ESV – does not obey
    NASTB – does not obey
    KJV – believeth not
    ISV – disobeys
    Aramaic Bible – disobeys
    Jubilee Bible – disobeys
    ASV – disobeys
    Darby – not subject to
    English Revised Version – obeyeth not
    Weymouth – disobeys
    World English Bible – disobeys

    Do you agree that there is a very distinct (and eternal) difference between “believe” and “obey”?

    Is it possible for a Christian to “believe” the 10 Commandments and disobey the 10 Commandments?

    So “believing” Jesus (God) is not the same as believing (obeying) Jesus (God)

    God Bless

  • October 24, 2014 at 5:53pm

    @p8triot

    One last thing that just came to mind (like I said the Mormon church’s explanation only raises more questions in my mind)

    Other churches have allowed Black people to be ordained and were doing so while the Mormon church denied Black people ordination. If the Mormon church is the one true church how is it possible that false churches were allowing Black people to be ordained while the Mormon church was not?

    How is it possible that the “false” churches got this right but the “one true church” got it wrong?

    God Bless

  • October 24, 2014 at 5:48pm

    @p8triot

    “previous to the 1970′s black male members of the church were not ordained to the priesthood”

    Thanks for the reply : )

    This is what I am refering to. Sorry I should have said “ordained” in the church.

    You say that God didn’t allow Blacks to be ordained in the church because they weren’t from the right tribe so are you saying that all of the ordained ministers in the Mormon church belong to a specific tribe? Which tribe is that?

    Also If that is the case then why are blacks now allowed to be ordained? How did they suddenly originate from the correct tribe? That really doesn’t make any sense?

    Why did God suddenly change his mind in the 1970′s and what reason did God give for not allowing Blacks to be ordained ministers prior to that?

    If the practice of allowing Blacks to be ordained is “correct” than the previous practice was “incorrect” yes/no?

    That really is the fundamental issue. While I appreciate the Mormon church’s attempts to explain the previous incorrect practice the answer isn’t very convincing at all, seems more like a very weak excuse after the fact.

    Are there things that the Mormons believe and teach now that will be changed later due to “revelation”? Isn’t God immutable and unchanging?

    Where do the scriptures (not private Mormon revelation) testify that Blacks should/should not be ordained?

    Again not attacking you or your faith but the explanations only create more questions in my mind.

    God Bless

  • October 24, 2014 at 5:29pm

    @p8triot“previous to the 1970′s black male members of the church were not ordained to the priesthood”

    Thanks for the reply : )

    This is what I am refering to. Sorry I didn’t really state the question clearly.

    So why did God change his mind ih the 1970′s and what reason did God give for not allowing Blacks to be ordained prior to that?

    Are there things that the Mormons believe and teach now that will be changed later due to “revelation”?

    Where in the Bible did God instruct that Blacks should not be ordained?

    God Bless

  • [1] October 23, 2014 at 6:28pm

    Exodus 29:14 – Dung
    Job 20:7- Dung
    Psalm 83:10 – Dung
    Jeremiah 16:4 – Dung
    Ezekiel 4:12 – Feces
    Zephaniah 1:17 – Dung
    Malachi 2:3 – Garbage
    Luke 13:8 – Dung (fertilizer)
    Luke 14:35 – Dung hill
    Philippians 3:8 – Dung

    Hope this helps,

    God Bless

  • [1] October 23, 2014 at 6:26pm

    Then again there might be churches where people “curse in the spirit” just as there are churches where people “bark” and howl “in the spirit” but I don’t see these behaviors testified to anywhere in scripture nor do I see Jesus or the Apostles using “profanity” to describe being born again in the spirit. What I do see is people possessed by demons using profanity.

    5. Our Lord Jesus Christ endured excruciating pain, humiliation and death and not once did He utter a single “profanity”. You would think if any time in the History of Christianity using profanity was acceptable it would be during the passion and death of our Lord.

    For example we don’t see Jesus saying,

    “Many are called but few are chosen…and that’s no intercourse bull feces!”

    If some of you are still grappling with the concept of “profanity” try this little exercise. Think of it as field research.

    1. The next time you are in church instead of shouting “AMEN” stand up and shout the same 2 words that Shia Lebouf used to describe coming to know Jesus.

    2. The next time you see the CEO of your company smile and say the same two words that Shia Lebouf used to describe coming to know Jesus.

    3. The next time you see your in-laws greet them with the same words that Shia Lebouf used to describe coming to know Jesus.

    At the end of 3 days if you no longer have a job, a spouse or a church at least you will have a better understanding of what “profanity” is.

    cont’d below

  • [1] October 23, 2014 at 6:23pm

    @Worldsapart

    Thank you Sir.

    1. While it is true that we can find words like Intercourse, Bull Dung, Feces and Urine in the Bible. Your examples where the word Dung appears in the Bible are not applicable to my question though.

    2. God created, Intercourse, Bull Dung, Feces, and Urine so none of these things are “profane” or “sinful” however using these words out of context or to describe coming to know Jesus Christ are. Man (not God) created the slang words (Bravo Uniform Lima Lima Sierra Hotel India Tango), (Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo India November Gold) and (Papa India Sierra Sierra) . Shia Lebouf used two of these profanities to describe his coming to know Jesus Christ. Nowhere does scripture testify to anyone being “moved to profanity” by the Holy Spirit or by coming to know Jesus Christ. That is the premise of my comments.

    3. The verses that you posted do not contain “profanity” or depict Jesus the Apostles or any Prophet using “profanity” or the Holy Spirit manifesting Himself through “profanity”

    4. If you shouted the slang words for Intercourse and Bull Dung in church you would most likely be escorted out (or prayed over depending on the church).

    cont’d below

  • [3] October 23, 2014 at 2:06am

    Do any among you deny that using profanity to profess faith in Jesus Christ is an oxymoron and is sacrilegious?

    I quoted scripture verses that testify to the truth and commented that I pray that this young man will come to the knowlege of the truth and finished with “Lord Have Mercy and this makes you angry?

    I did not (and do not) claim to know the state of his soul or mine (or anyone elses)

    What I do know is that using profanity to claim salvation in Jesus Christ is not biblical. If that offends anyone then so be it, I am not ashamed.

    How you can find fault with that while defending someone professing faith in Jesus Christ using the same words (******** *********) that people utter when possessed by demons is quite astounding.

    If any among you can show verses in scripture where Jesus or Paul or any Apostle or Prophet was led by the Holy Spirit to speak or right profanity or where the Holy Spirit manifests Himself through the uttering of profanity please post those verses and I will take them into prayerful consideration.

    In the mean time I will continue to pray for this young man and I ask you to do the same.

    A fellow sinner,

    God Bless

  • [7] October 22, 2014 at 6:05pm

    “I became a Christian man, and not in a ******* bulls**t way — in a very real way,”

    His statement is sacrlegious. He no doubt was taught that once he said the sinners prayer nothing he does is seen by God and has no effect on his soul/salvation.

    I pray that he will come to the know the truth.

    Heb 6:4-6
    It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace

    James 1:26
    If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person’s religion is worthless.

    Colossians 3:8
    But now you must put them all away: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and obscene talk from your mouth.

    James 3:10
    From the same mouth come blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so.

    2 Timothy 2:16
    But avoid irreverent talk, for it will lead people into more and more ungodliness,

    Matthew 12:36-37
    I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak, for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

    Lord Have Mercy

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  • [2] October 22, 2014 at 5:45pm

    @therapturecomes

    Actually in the original Greek John 3:36 says the following

    John 3:36
    He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that disobeys the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

    The original Greek word is apeithōn which some Bibles translate as “believeth not” but the literal translation of apeithōn is “to disobey”.

    Strong’s Concordance
    apeitheó: to disobey
    Original Word: ἀπειθέω
    Part of Speech: Verb
    Transliteration: apeitheó
    Phonetic Spelling: (ap-i-theh’-o)
    Short Definition: I disobey, rebel, am disloyal
    Definition: I disobey, rebel, am disloyal, refuse conformity.

    There is a distinct difference between disbelief and disobey.

    Same holds true for the word “faithful” many believe that the Bride of Christ (Christians) can disobey God and still be “faithful” to the Groom (Jesus Christ) but what Christian would argue that a Bride can commit adultery and still say she is “faithful” to her Groom?

    The word “Faithful” does not simply mean thought it means action/deeds. You cannot say you are a “faithful” Christian if you are disobeying God. Scrpture says faith without works is USELESS and DEAD.

    James 2:20
    You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without works is USELESS?

    James 2:24
    You see that a person IS JUSTIFIED BY WORKS and NOT by FAITH ALONE.

    James 2:26
    As the body without the spirit is dead, so FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD

    God Bless

  • [13] October 22, 2014 at 4:28pm

    You seem to be confusing 3 things,

    1. Disordered desire
    2. Behavior
    3. Ordered desire

    As a result of the fall in the garden all human beings are born with a disordered desire for sinful things.

    But there is a difference between desire and behavior. Until the day that we die every single one of us will have a disordered desire for sinful things and we will be tempted to sin.

    With faith and Gods grace we can develop and ordered desire to not sin which can overcome our disordered desire for sinful things . In other words being a new creation in Christ means that our desire to live according to Gods will can overcome our desire for sinful things.

    Since we are not God we cannot simply choose or will away our disordered/sinful nature. If we could we would not need God, we would BE God.

    Many people believe that prayer is asking God for things that WE want in our lives but true prayer is asking GOD for what HE wants in our lives.

    Many people believe that our “CROSS” to bear is someone or something else but our cross is US, it’s our sinful nature. That is the cross, overcoming our sinful nature and living according to Gods will.

    I suppose one could ask (and many do) if our disordered/sinful natures are a result of the first fall in the garden then what caused Eve to sin BEFORE the fall? The answer is free will. No free will (freedom to choose) no love, no love, no God..

    Hope this makes sense,

    God Bless

  • [4] October 22, 2014 at 3:24pm

    @captmickeyd,

    One small caveat;

    Jesus also tells us in Matthew (7:21-23) that there will be people who will do miracles in His name who NEVER actually knew Him.

    Matt 7:21-23
    Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I NEVER KNEW YOU. Away from me, you evildoers!’

    So it’s important to note that God chooses where and when His gifts are given and it’s not always related to the state of the persons soul who is administering (delivering) the gift.

    Just because Gods will is accomplished through someone does not necessarily mean that person truly knows Jesus Christ or that person is “saved”

    For example a catholic priest consecrating the bread and wine or hearing confession is acting persona Christi (on behalf of Christ). God does not withold His gifts from those being administered to because of the state of the soul of the Priest who is administering the sacrament.

    Hope this makes sense.

    God Bless

  • October 21, 2014 at 6:57pm

    george-harrisonThe words

    “Left Behind” are actually not found in the Bible.

    Only the word “Left” is in the Bible. Hal Lindsay added the world “Behind” in his book and many people today just assume that the words “Left Behind” are actually in the Bible.

    The Bible only says “one is taken and one is left” Second point: Throughout salvation history the ones “Left” or “saved” are those who obeyed God.

    For instance in Sodom and Gomorrah the only ones who are “Left” are those who obeyed God.

    In the days of Noah the only ones who are “Left” are those who obeyed God. When the Red Sea swallowed the people up the only ones who were “Left” are those who obeyed God. When the sheep and the goats are judged the only ones who are “Left” are the Sheep (those who obeyed God) When the wheat and the chaff are separated only the wheat is “Left” (those who obeyed God) the chaff is thrown into the fire and burned. In Jesus parable of the vine and the branches Jesus CUTS OFF the vines that do not produce any fruit (those who do not obey God) and throws them into the fire. ONLY the good branches (those who obey God) are “Left” In the parable of the wedding feast ONLY those who obeyed the King are “Left” In the Bible it’s ALWAYS the ones who obeyed God who are “saved” , it’s ONLY those who obeyed God who are “Left”………….. or “Left Behind” if you prefer. God Bless

  • [1] October 21, 2014 at 4:47pm

    @kimdkus says,

    “I am righteous before God b/c of what Jesus did for me on the cross”

    But God says,

    1 John 3:7
    Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who DOES what is right is RIGHTEOUS, just as He is righteous.

    Heb 5:9
    and, once made perfect, He became the source of eternal salvation for all who OBEY him

    1 John 1:7
    But IF WE WALK IN THE LIGHT, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the Blood of Jesus cleans us of all sin.

    1 John 2:3
    We know that we have come to know Him IF we KEEP HIS COMMANDS

    1 John 2:4
    Whoever says, “I know him,” but DOES NOT DO WHAT HE COMMANDS IS A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.

    1 John 3:6
    NO ONE WHO LIVES IN HIM KEEPS ON SINNING. NO ONE WHO CONTINUES TO SIN HAS EITHER SEEN HIM OR KNOWN HIM.

    1 John 3:8
    The one who DOES what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work

    1 John 3:9
    NO ONE who is BORN OF GOD will CONTINUE TO SIN, because God’s seed remains in them; they CANNOT go on sinning, because they have been born of God

    Rom 2:13
    It is not those who hear the law who are righteous in Gods sight it is those who OBEY the law who will be declared rigthteous

    James 2:24
    You see that a person is MADE RIGHTEOUS BY WHAT THEY DO and NOT by FAITH ALONE.

    You have been taught a false gospel based on a perversion of Pauls letters. See (2 Peter 3:16)

    God Bless

  • October 21, 2014 at 3:11am

    @ModernEzra

    “Works are not essential for salvation…………..if your faith does not compel you to perform good works, then it is not real faith.”

    LoL forgive me for laughing but you just said that fath without works “is not real faith” so unless “unreal” faith brings salvation then salvation is not by faith alone

    I know that you dont realize it but in your zeal to defend salvation by faith alone you actually denied it.

    See if this statement makes any sense at all.

    “All that you need for a drink is a glass, you dont need any water but if you dont have any water then you dont really have a drink”

    To bring it into focus lets try simple substitution,

    “Food is not essential for a meal….you should have food and if you do not have food you do not have a real meal.

    @busterpuddles

    If abstaining from evil is necessary for salvation then salvation is not by “fith alone”

    Abstaining from evil is a work. As with others in this forum your argument FOR faith alone actually denies it.

    God Bless

  • October 20, 2014 at 5:46pm

    @p8triot

    Just curious, was it morally right or wrong for the Mormon church not allow Black people in the church? How did the Apostles get that one wrong? I don’t mean this as an attack but if the Mormon church truly is THE church and Black people were denied membership then they were denied “salvation” yes/no?

    How do you reconcile the church changing this doctrine to now allow Black people in the church?

    God Bless

  • [3] October 20, 2014 at 5:42pm

    @EvanMcManus

    Be careful not to confuse DESIRE with THOUGHT. Due to the fall in the garden ALL human beings are born with a disordered desire for sinful things.

    So due to the fall we cannot control what we DESIRE but we can control (with Gods grace) what we spend our time thinking about.

    God Bless

  • [4] October 20, 2014 at 5:25pm

    “Even the Catholics are changing their stance on homosexuality”

    I think you might be confusing same sex attraction with homosexual acts?

    The catholic church has always taught that homosexual acts are gravely disordered (intrinsicly evil) but that people with same sex attraction are welcome in the church.

    All members of the church are required to remain chaste (not fornicating if unmarried and not committing adultery if married) this has always been the teaching of the church and was not changed at the Synod.

    There are some Bishops and Lay persons who would like to see the church change it’s teachings on fornication and adultery (whether it be homosexual acts, cohabitation or adultery) but the doctrines of the church remain unchanged.

    Hope this helps

    God Bless

  • [2] October 20, 2014 at 5:11pm

    Of course to a sound reasoning person who knows the scriptures this is clearly not biblical but many Christians today are wrestling with this “vexing” tension between Paul’s “clear” warnings in scripture and the doctrines of salvation by faith alone and once saved always saved.

    God Bless

  • October 20, 2014 at 5:10pm

    Sure as long as they don’t believe that we all become gods with our own planets and people who worship us and Jesus is Lucifers brother….. just sayin…. ; )

    God Bless

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