Jackson, not sure what you are trying to say, because, as normal, you are unable to write clearly. What are you afraid of that you can’t say what’s on your mind?
You say: “You’ve never really been around ‘pure hate’ have you? I would have thought you would be a Trump supporter and I am a rank beginner compared to the orange menace… I knew you were naive, but had no idea you were this sheltered and innocent. Good luck!”
Again, you prove not only that you don’t know me, but that your assumptions continue to be extremely stupid. If nothing else good can be said about you, at least you are consistent.
As you’ve said, I accept your right to be a narrow-minded idiot personally…(“March 8, 2015 at 3:19 AM).
As to your wish for my good luck, thanks, but don’t concern yourself with my future, my Lord and Savior takes very good care of me.
As to our previous discussion, I left you with some interesting scripture to wrestle with. But here is the one that set the stage, Genesis 3:20. It is what it is and what it says. No problem..
[-1] August 24, 2016 at 11:01pm
Nah, but you asked “you show me evidence that I am ‘pure hate’,” and I’m just trying to be helpful.
Because (November 26, 2014 at 1:44 PM) “what a slimy, sniveling little coward you are.”
[-1] August 24, 2016 at 5:57pm
Allow me to quote you Jackson:
January 10, 2015 at 3:44 PM: “As you are one of those unfortunate, ignorant, morons, I hope this has helped you.”
[-1] August 24, 2016 at 4:23pm
Obamacare provides a vehicle, free to those who cannot afford it, to all the “care” STD screening, counseling and access to all the education and birthcontrol that Planned Parenthood says it provides, but it promises better and more coordinated healthcare. If you truly care about women, why not give them real care?
“Abstinence and shaming are not the only forms of birth control the modern world provides.” Well DUH.
“Demonizing this organization is morally reprehensible and just plain stupid” (in your opinion).
“Standing up to tyrants trying to force their ideals into our culture is not legislating morality, it is upholding the rights and freedoms that United States citizens hold dear.”
Which is exactly why I stand up to you, because I don’t agree with the morality you are legislating.
“Don’t talk down to me about ‘safe abortions’… Why not?” Well, because I know everything you could ever say about it (and maybe more).
And since you don’t even know what I think about it, I’d suggest you quit with the continual demeaning assumptions, because you are always wrong.
You and I will pay a fair amount so others can access Obamacare. Since it can do better than PP in women’s healthcare, why should I be forced to help fund over $500 million to an organization that cannot do as much as a Primary Care Physician?
Besides, if PP is doing such a great community service with birth control and education, then why are they still doing so many abortions? (Think fox and hen-house).
[-1] August 24, 2016 at 1:46pm
The rest of us wouldn’t be disappointed either.
August 24, 2016 at 1:41pm
Nah, you’re trash talking evil.
[-1] August 24, 2016 at 1:36pm
Jackson, You ask: “Why can’t christians just not have abortions instead of trying to criminalize it?
Generalities like that are fraudulent, but perhaps such fraudulent generalities allow you to dishonestly throw stones at your most hated group – those vile Christians.
While some Christians may want to “criminalize” it, there are many that don’t. Perhaps you’ve not been listening, just judging, and inappropriately I must add.
At the same time, one doesn’t have to be a Christian to abhor the taking of innocent, defenseless lives, to serve as a voice for those lives not permitted to speak for themselves.
As one who considered them-self a Christian, I find it hard to comprehend that you can’t acknowledge why a Believer values life.
You also ask: “Why must under privileged women and girls be deprived of the 97% of Planned Parenthood’s services?”
They don’t and they won’t. Obamacare is free to “underprivileged” women. Exactly what “services” does Planned Parented provide?
You also say: “You cannot legislate morality to suit your own motives..”
If you honestly believe that, then why do you do it?
[-1] August 24, 2016 at 9:58am
And Jackson, if you want to talk to me about my position on anything, it would be best to find out what it is first.
You relate: “I considered myself a christian well into my fourties, I had a crisis of faith that sent me into a critical reading of the bible, which led me to study similar ancient legends and that ultimately led me to atheism. It wasn’t a fun, easy or quick process, there was no brainwashing or liberal indoctrination either. Less than a decade ago, we would have been closer than you think (I was never anti-choice however).”
I truly understand that. I never assumed you just walked away. Everyone has their reasons and I respect y.ours.
Me, I was the opposite of you. After being a strident atheist up to the age of 40, I began to question my “open-mind” because of how agitated I got if anyone tried to talk to me about Christian stuff (not Hindu stuff, or Buddhist stuff or the like, just Christian stuff). It was visceral hate, with no real basis. Heck, I didn’t even know any Christians, so why the anger? So I went on 2 year quest to learn.
At 42, I was “born again”
I too have conducted, and continue to conduct, a critical reading of the Bible (as you have seen). The difference may be that I do this with the help of the Holy Spirit.
[-1] August 24, 2016 at 9:42am
Jackson, my bad, Mom was from St. Joseph, MO, but I wrote Kentucky instead.
Actually, you don’t understand my “anger” with your position or your “daring to challenge” much of anything. I have no anger with those. However, it is disturbing that you’ve tried to manipulate me with some covert crap “contradictions, some even a verse apart.”
That’s a foolish fabrication, but I imagine it helps fill your psychological need to think you are superior to others. You should really think about trying to be an honest man. You, your employees, and those you try to stomp on would benefit.
As always, you make baseless charges (doing that must make you feel soooo good) but as usual, they are fabrications of your imagination.
I am not “mistaken that taking Planned Parenthood will end abortion”. You see, I’d have to think that first, and I haven’t. Just another example of your stupid way of assuming. It has definitely made an ass out of you.
And don’t talk down to me about “safe abortions”.
You say: “my daring to challenge the authority of christians to over rule U.S. law because you disagree with it.” Well, I hope saying that makes you feel powerful or something, God knows you seem to need that. But I’ve always held that such a position is stupid.
Christians have no authority to “overrule US law,” other than their right as citizens to change laws they disagree with – same as you. When there are two opposing sides, with no compromise, then one side rules, be that your side or mine.
August 23, 2016 at 9:10pm
Jackson, no, your mistake about Abel, repeated many times these past few days is not your “big SNAFU.”
In and of itself, it is a minor thing that all of us are capable of stumbling with. But it points to a major problem – if you don’t know the small stuff, how can you assemble the big stuff?
Many atheists accuse Believers of taking things out of context, or adding conjecture where the Bible may not say what we want it to say.
Your bigger mistake these past few days is that you’ve done exactly that. In order for you to make sense of something not fully explained, you’ve taken verses out of context and you’ve made up things so it could make sense to you.
I guess we all do that. It’s probably normal. But a better way, at least for a Believer, is to ask the indwelling Spirit for help in understanding. I know that can’t work for you, and that you can’t accept that it works for me – but it does.
Researching these things for you, even though you seemed somewhat cryptic, has opened up new things for me, given me more to meditate about. Enlarged my view.
Some of the nastier atheists, posting on The Blaze are always making the statement they know the Bible better than Christians, or most Christians.
They can say those things until the cows come home, but Momma was from Kentucky (the Show Me state). She always used to say “The proof is in the pudding.”
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. It’s good to motivate people to read more.
August 23, 2016 at 8:40pm
PureHate, oops, I mean Jackson. You must live in a distant galaxy.
You say: “So you looked at the Catholic bible, the Jewish Study bible” Yep, to show you I hadn’t skipped possible scriptures that augment the ones I usually use. Good researchers use many respected resources.
You then ask: “How do you account for the children of Cain and Abel that populated the earth if not by their mother?
That’s easy, Jackson, read the scriptures.
Once again, Jackson, scripture says Abel had NO CHILDREN and that Cain gained a wife AFTER he had been banished from his home and family. Go read.
In your ignorance of scripture, you state “There is no account of invisible sky daddy creating wives for them.”
So who are those “others” that Cain feared and that the Lord acknowledged existed? Go read!!!
You accuse me with “The simple answer is you don’t want to question the bible and it tucks you off if anyone else does. It’s a shame that the foundation for your belief system is so weak that it can’t be examined or questioned without crumbling. If you feel victimized by this conversation.”
You’re kidding, right Jackson? If not, then you are delusional. Go back and actually read what I wrote. Seems you are projecting yourself on me. I know what the Bible says – you obviously don’t. Seems you are the one “tucked off” because I was able to find what you were not aware of.
You gotta read it Jackson, the way God says to read it. You don’t do that. You lose out.
August 23, 2016 at 8:16pm
Jackson, on Aug. 20, 2016 at 6:55 PM, you made the following accusations:
“Spanky, I’m intolerant? Lol… Who are you ‘tolerant’ of? You hate anyone who doesn’t share your ‘faith’, science, public schools, LGBT, Muslims, atheists, agnostics, BLM, etc.”
I responded Aug. 22, 2016 at 3:29 PM, and asked for your proof I’d ever said anything like that. I said “Hi Jackson, So, show us all your evidence that I hate anyone because they do not share my faith.
Show us all your evidence that I hate anyone because they do not share my view of science.
Show us all your evidence that I hate public schools.
Show us all your evidence that I hate anyone because they are LGBT.
Show us all your evidence that I hate anyone because they are Muslims.
Show us all your evidence that I hate anyone because they are atheists.
Show us all your evidence that I hate anyone because they are agnostics.
Show us all your evidence that I hate anyone because they are BLM members.
Either do that or apologize for slanderous lies.”
You, answered on Aug. 22, 2016 At 7:03 PM:
“Sparky, You don’t want transgendered, LGBT, atheists, liberals etc to be given the same considerations that Regressives get, but you don’t hate them. You whine about how public schools brainwash children with proven scientific fact over fairy stories of creation, but you don’t hate public schools… Like most of your ilk, you can only see yourself as blameless and holy.”
As I said, your proof boils down to “because I said so.” You brought no proof
August 23, 2016 at 6:59pm
Actually Jackson, coming from you, “beluga” made more sense.
You say: “You have zero respect for my belief in reality, I don’t care. Stop whining Spanky, look for validation elsewhere.”
It’s interesting that you, who has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he has zero respect for any opinion other than his own, would feel comfortable accusing someone else of not having respect for your belief.
But once again your claim is false and baseless. It’s just what you do. You insult your own intelligence with such unfounded claims, especially by making them in front of all who can see you have no support for your slander.
You feign insult that others may not respect your belief, after having said unbelievably insulting things about their beliefs, like ” “Do you often talk to your imaginary friend? Live by his anthology of folklore? You should be in an mental institution.”
Reality is certainly not your strong suit, so quit trying to pretend you know anything about it.
Talk about whining. Well, we all know you aren’t to be trusted, and that your word is now worthless. You talk down about charlatans and yet you are one. Figures.
August 23, 2016 at 6:34pm
Hi Jackson. I did a couple of days of work to respond to your claims of scriptural inconsistencies. In the end, I found none and showed why.
Now you claim I provided ..”no real explanation of the population of the earth according to creation theory.”
But all will notice that you never asked me that question, nor does that question make much sense. It would help if you actually tried to put your questions in a direct and honest form, instead of trying to be manipulative and covert. Then I could respond with less work.
Despite plainly showing you clear responses, you toss it off as “The other nonsense just confirms that you are afraid to knock down your house of cards ‘faith’.” No fear.
So explain how/why you come to that conclusion (bet you can’t). I think you are just blowing smoke because I gave you clear, reasonable and scriptural based explanations for the children of Cain and Able, how Eve was definitely a mother and then a grandmother, how the Ozarks have never struck me as being like the Garden of Eden, how my lack of education in Creation Science does not allow me to give a good answer as to how it feels about inbreeding, and how I don’t think inbreeding is germane to ID.
You ascribe my honest efforts as willful ignorance, yet the ignorance is obviously yours. Abel’s children indeed. I chuckled when I learned how little you actually know versus what you tell people you know. Well, you are more educated now. You’re welcome.
I accept your apology.
August 23, 2016 at 6:54am
Jackson, you say: “Sparky,,Lol…you show me evidence that I am ‘pure hate’.
Would you like that to be from the perspective of how extremely insulting you have been, or from the perspective of your use of name-calling to attempt to quiet those with a different opinion?
It’s a lot of work, but I’ve got about a 10th of it done.
Here’s an example from the former category: March 28, 2015 at 3:28 AM: “Do you often talk to your imaginary friend? Live by his anthology of folklore? You should be in an mental institution.”
Here’s a personal favorite from the latter category: December 9, 2014 at 12:10 PM: “Moronic bigots like you believing they have a right to dismiss and demean other citizens”
August 23, 2016 at 6:18am
Jackson’s 5th inconsistency, “Does intelligent design theory ignore the problems associated with inbreeding?”
I do not know. Is that germane to ID? How is that germane to inconsistencies in scripture that you claim are sometimes a verse apart?
There, I’ve addressed your specific “inconsistencies” in scripture as well as I am able, as promised.
August 23, 2016 at 5:39am
Jackson’s 4th “inconsistency” continued:
Again, I’ve never taken any so-called “Creation Science” courses covering the topics of incest or inbreeding, but these are spoken of negatively in Leviticus and Deuteronomy. According to scripture, these “law books” were written by (given to) Moses as the Jews were crossing the desert between Egypt and the Promised Land, roughly 1,500 years after Cain killed Abel. So these written laws were for the Hebrews from this point on.
Scriptures are interesting (for me at least) because they show God’s people warts and all. Doesn’t seem to be much of an effort to sanitize even people like King David. They were obviously human, capable of “good” and “bad,” exactly like us.
Did they ALL follow ALL the laws? No way. Was there incest and inbreeding? Most probably. Was it right? Not according to the law. Was it always punished? Probably not, and we are talking from Moses’ time up through the Crucifixion.
So, taboos towards incest and inbreeding go way back in the Bible, likely even prior to the time of Moses.
I couldn’t tell you exactly how “Creation Science” “feels” about it. Scripture speaks against it.
But hey, even Darwin married his 1st cousin, Emma – it happens.
August 23, 2016 at 4:54am
Jackson, the 4th “inconsistency” you gave me to research was: “How does creation ‘science’ feel about incest and inbreeding?”
My background is in the traditional sciences. I don’t recall much discussion of incest, nor statements about how traditional science “felt” about it. It was mentioned in my History & genetics courses. Close inbreeding can cause more pronounced recessive trait expression, but I was surprised to read In a survey of available research, called “Inbreeding in Humans,” Eugene Ochap states: However, inbreeding can also result in the production of perfectly healthy offspring (Bittles 1991).
In his conclusions, he says: “..but it is very possible that the population will never see any harmful effects due to incest. In fact, some experts believe that in some cases inbreeding can be helpful to a population by constantly exposing harmful recessive genes to selection. By frequently exposing these genes to selection, the harmful alleles can become permanently eliminated from the population.”
An April 2013 article in Nature, “Inbred Royals Show Traces of Natural Selection”, includes the following: “A provocative analysis now suggests that the Habsburg royal family might have evolved under natural selection over three centuries to blunt the worst effects of inbreeding. Evolutionary theory predicts such a ‘purging’ process, and researchers have documented the effect in animals and plants. But evidence among humans is scant.” Interesting.
August 23, 2016 at 3:34am
Jackson, the 3rd “inconsistency” you gave me to look into was: “Perhaps the garden of Eden was the ancient version of the Ozarks?”
I’m not sure what you were expecting me to find, but recall that Adam and Eve were sent to forever live and work completely outside the garden, and this happened before they started their family.
I’ve been to Booger Hollow in the Ozarks (population 7 – and one coon dog). But since I’ve never seen the Garden of Eden, there is no way I would be able to compare it to the natural beauty of the Ozarks.
August 23, 2016 at 3:10am
Jackson, you said there were many inconsistencies in the scriptures, and gave me a short list to go check out (as I said I would).
The first one you gave me to look up was “Where did Cain and Abel’s children come from?” So I did that and wrote up what I found. One problem I had was I couldn’t figure out how this seemed like an inconsistency to you. Could you please explain that?
The second of your “inconsistencies” is: “Was Eve a proud mother and grandmother at the same time?” I have a short answer and an example, but this doesn’t seem like an inconsistency to begin with.
The short answer: Canonical Scripture says Eve had two boys, Cain first, then Abel. By her statement she seemed to be proud of this. Then Cain killed Abel and was banished for it. Essentially, she and Adam were then childless until Seth was born, and Eve said “God has appointed me another offspring in place of Abel, for Cain killed him.”
Not sure that counts as pride or not. Perhaps she was a proud mother once again. She and Adam then had other children that little is said about.
Then her son Seth had a son, making Eve a grandmother (essentially Cain’s son did not count). Doesn’t say if she was a “proud” grandmother or not. So she was a mother and a grandmother at the same time.
My wife is the mother of 3 children. She is also the grandmother of a grandson at the same time. She’s proud of all this. How is that an inconsistency?