Blaze Moderator, it is difficult to put up with people like jrook who talk down their nose to just about everyone (but don’t know the difference between words like “there” and their”).
But it is much worse to visit your site and go away with computer Trojan viruses and constant pop-ups that say: “Warning, suspicious site” and “Whoa, are you sure you want to go there?” “Why were you redirected to this page?”
I guess I’ll just have to get my information and commentary elsewhere. Sorry, it’s been an interesting yet frustrating 4 years. Others will probably take my place, so my gain is not necessarily your loss. Bye-bye.
February 21, 2015 at 12:38pm
Prof says: “If they applied skepticism and reason to their god belief, they would probably come to the same conclusion I have.”
Finally we get to the crux of the reason this bigot cannot admit his error in his use of generalities. He doesn’t care and can’t apologize. Turns out he is the ignorant one.
The reason? He thinks too highly of himself. That last statement exposes how his bias forces him into a fantasy land.
Earth to Prof, every believer I know applied both skepticism and reason to their belief. I know I did. It is truly bigoted to make such claims as you have. Perhaps one day you will realize that. Probably not.
This is why it is good that you aren’t the arbiter, you are not qualified, your bias prevents you from truly intelligent thought on this topic. You are stuck at the starting gate and cannot progress beyond your bias. Some well educated people do get caught up in such “dew loops.” Too bad for you.
Until such a time that you can overcome this stupid, ill-informed bias, it is really not worthwhile to try to intelligently engage you. Open your mind. Step off your high horse. Consider why it is that you think so lowly of people of faith. You will become a better person for it. I know, to an elitist I’ve just said “Blah blah blah,” but I wanted to take the chance that someday you may do more than apply your bigotry as a filter to what is written or said by people who know things you don’t.
February 20, 2015 at 6:50pm
Prof, to complete my comments upon your original statement and then your defense of it:
While you admit there are very intelligent religious fundamentalists, you say “this has no bearing on how they go about justifying their belief that their religious fundamentalism is correct.”
First, no one must justify their faith to you, for any reason, nor must you justify your unbelief. We are not living in Saudi Arabia, under Sharia law, nor are you ISIL and we your captives.
In America we early on established our God given rights and the value inherent in respecting the beliefs of others. To emphasize the profound importance of that, the Colonies refused to sign the Constitution until freedom of speech and religion were specifically added as Amendments.
A failure of today’s self-identified elite has been to not understand human nature and why they should respect the beliefs of others. After all, what if those “ignorant” people were able to reverse the situation? Today, it seems few people try to walk a mile in the shoes of another. Many seem to prefer to try to convince others to join them in their bigotry and hatred. After all, there is strength in numbers (but not necessarily truth).
Your statement that people need to justify the “correctness” of their beliefs is frightening, because you seem to have elected yourself as sole arbiter.
Your claim of fundamentalist’s ignorance is patently untrue, and yes, bigoted.
But, I defend your right to believe as you do.
February 20, 2015 at 6:14pm
Continuing my comments upon your original statement (..at the root of all religious fundamentalism, whether Islam or Christianity, is ignorance.) and your latest defense of inappropriate use of generalizations:
I pointed out my experience that well educated people I know, including scientists, are fundamentalists. Your response was “..it goes without saying that there are very intelligent religious fundamentalists.” Well duh sure!!! I thought by admitting that, you were accepting your error in using generalizations.
It seems an obfuscation for you to somewhat admit that your original generalization was faulty, but then attempt to still justify it with: “I however posit that that their intelligence is focused in other areas).
That’s bigoted too. While you admit that some believers are very intelligent, you deny that they are smart enough to use that intelligence except as it applies to their work. It’s pretty convenient for you to be able to compartmentalize their intelligence to suit your bias. It is also devoid of either fact or experience. It is simply an additional, failed generalization you now use to defend your first one.
Generalizations about entire groups of people generally serve to falsely “justify” untruths and misconceptions that you harbor based on your perceptions or opinions about some individuals you know or know of. But they never hold for the entire group or even for a majority. They serve only to empower you.
February 20, 2015 at 5:15pm
Prof says: “I stand by my statement that those who buy into religious fundamentalism are ignorant because they have yet to meet the burden of proof of their claims (or they at least buy into it for “ignorant” reasons;…”
There’s that bigotry again, even though you’ve softened your original statement. People do not need to meet your burden of proof for their beliefs. You, however, need to respect their right to their beliefs and should not belittle them or encourage others to, as you have by saying “they buy into their beliefs for ignorant reasons.” Once again you generalize and put people into your fabricated little boxes, using your bias for your artificial labels.
Be more honest. Truth is you don’t know the reasons they individually have for their belief, or what convinced them, you just know you disagree with their beliefs. And ,in not knowing how they can believe in something you cannot, you jump to chalk it up to their “ignorance.” After all, what else could it be?
You aren’t generous enough to consider that as intelligent adults (many steeped in the Scientific Method) perhaps they remained in total character and applied that intelligence to their pursuit of God. Perhaps this failure on your part is mostly because of your experience with “religion” as a youth.
Thank you for explaining that experience. I’m always interested in an “ex-Christian’s” understanding of what makes one a Christian. It gives me insight and understanding.
[-1] February 20, 2015 at 4:10pm
February 19, 2015 at 11:32pm
Blinky, unfortunately it appears you will never find him, this side of the dirt.
I found all the proof I needed, when after 18 years of education and 18 more of related work, I realized I had been well indoctrinated to close my mind to things “religious.”
It’s almost uncanny that you say almost exactly the things I said as a young atheist. But one day I realized how closed-minded I was, and that was not something I valued.
When I was able to give it the same honest, excited investigation that I had given evolution, I found it to be very interesting and compelling.
You will never experience the truth in the scriptures with your closed mind and heavy bias.
Until then (if ever) you should think twice before continuing to try to turn others away from the pursuit of things you do not know about. For, if you are wrong (and I know for a fact you are) you may do them a great harm. Besides, if you don’t know for certain that there is no God, it is less than honest to try to convince others of that.
February 19, 2015 at 10:51pm
Spanky, I’m glad I won’t be there to have to watch you squirm when you bow your knee. That’s gonna be such an embarrassing and pitiful sight. You do know you are described quite well in the scriptures, yes?
February 19, 2015 at 10:43pm
Hmmm, yet another ignorant, hate-filled and mean-spirited atheist. Do you guys spawn?
February 19, 2015 at 10:36pm
February 19, 2015 at 10:30pm
Prof says: “at the root of all religious fundamentalism, whether Islam or Christianity, is ignorance.”
I’m sure he/she really believes that obviously bigoted statement.
It is not true, but it is truly bigoted.
Many elitists would like to believe that religious fundamentalists are somehow ignorant, and so by repeating that lie often enough they not only come to believe it, they hope that other people lacking in critical thinking skills will also believe it.
The first indication that this statement is patently false is that it is a glittering generality. Notice how it is all-encompassing?
I personally know of Doctors, Plasma Physicists, Chemistry Department Chairs, Mechanical Engineers, and successful business men and women that are religious fundamentalists. These are highly educated people, perhaps beyond your abilities, and they are successful in their fields. They are kind people willing to go out of their way to use their life skills, talents and treasures to help others. Do you?
Does calling them “ignorant” somehow actually make them ignorant solely because you wish it? Nah.
So please stop and think hard before you again attempt to wrongly place people in boxes your bias allows you to artificially label. Don’t think for a minute longer that your specific field or gift of an education somehow makes you more intelligent or smarter. That’s a falsehood born of your own insecurities. It is a most unfair characterization.
February 19, 2015 at 9:47pm
Blinky says: ” Running your mouth and spewing nonsense is not a rebuttal.”
Gosh Blinky, then why do you di it?????
[-1] February 19, 2015 at 9:37pm
Prof, you say: “Besides I happened to have been a Christian…”
Please explain what you did to become a Christian.
[-1] February 19, 2015 at 9:11pm
Blinky, you are not only a liar, but a bad liar. You say: “..as I would never harm, much less kill, anyone unless I was left in a ‘do it or die’ situation.”
Yet you try to harm and insult people in most every post you make.
You try so hard to insult anyone you disagree with, that most readers grew tired of you long, long ago.
Notice that most of them have given up kindly trying to help you see the folly of your ways. You have become the poster child for narcissism here on the Blaze.
This most recent untruth is yet another example of your total lack of integrity. Do you seriously think no one sees this?
February 19, 2015 at 8:52pm
It’s crickets from Wagman, as was expected.
He constantly vomits such trash, not that he believes it but rather that he believes his stupid insults are actually taken to heart – and he loves the orgasms it gives him.
February 19, 2015 at 8:30pm
Thanks Blinky for once again proving that you lack integrity. Perhaps it’s just that a narcissist such as you cannot understand what that entails. I’ve whooped your worthless butt countless times, but you are way too childish to admit your defeats. Once you asked me to show you even one time, and when I showed you just one of the many, you stuck your fingers in your ears and whined “No you didn’t, no you didn’t, no you didn’t.”
Assuming you are too narcissistic to understand that you truly do lack integrity, I’ll toss you a bone: let’s debate why girls never go out with you more than once and why it follows that you will never achieve my level of Darwinian Fitness.
 February 18, 2015 at 6:44pm
Blinky, I only debate with men of integrity – and you just don’t qualify.
One day you may do something half as scientific as I, but I seriously doubt that based on your demonstrated lack of true intellect.
In the meantime, be useful. Go clean some pipettes.
 February 17, 2015 at 6:19pm
Blinky, should have been “any way”, not “anyway.” But then scholarship was never your strong suit. Nah all you can do is sit in your momma’s basement and try to sound intelligent (but the proof is in the pudding, and you tip your hat all too often – failure).
 February 17, 2015 at 6:14pm
Blinky you are sooooo smart, and sooooo full of crap.
 February 17, 2015 at 6:12pm
Blinky, at least he took the course. If you took it, apparently you checked your brain at the door – you do have one don’t you (a brain silly, not a door)? Sometimes you make us doubt that.