What moderate means is deficit spending under Bush is the cause of every problem we face today.
Deficit spending under Obama, even though it will double deficit spending under Bush, is not bad and is actually Bush’s fault.
 August 4, 2015 at 8:13am
If history repeats itself, Moderate will continue using personal attacks against posters who highlight the lies he regularly tells, but will not stop lying.
 August 3, 2015 at 9:50pm
If history continues to repeat itself, moderate will not acknowledge that you just supplied the link to the unedited videos, which he could use to prove the selectively edited claim, if it were true.
If history continues to repeat itself moderate, despite being informed of the link, will continue story to story repeating the claim that only snippets have been released, as if he hadn’t supplied him the link.
I have seen moderate corrected dozens of times on certain issues, only for him to show up later making the same debunked claims.
You can bet he will be back on future stories, asking why the full tapes have not been released.
He is what some would refer to as a hack. Sad…
 August 3, 2015 at 7:02pm
“people who have looked at them have raised significant questions about whether or not these videos are credible”
Are the people who looked at the videos credible?
Are their questions credible?
No, and no.
August 3, 2015 at 5:39pm
To protect his head maybe?
 August 3, 2015 at 4:28pm
Moderate says, “I suppose I could just state the opposite of what you said and say it’s factual”
Wouldn’t be the first, second, or even third time you made up “facts” out of thin air.
 August 3, 2015 at 4:23pm
“critics…say…there’s no way to stop crazy people from doing crazy things…But they’re wrong…There is a way to stop them. Preventing dangerous people from getting guns is very possible.”
Well don’t hold back on us. Tell us the very possible solution you have that will stop all crazy people from doing crazy things.
I would also like to thank her in advance for stepping up and putting her money where her mouth is by volunteering to be held financially liable in the event that a crazy person still does something crazy after her proposals are passed.
 August 3, 2015 at 3:03pm
So we have proof of a leftist trying to pass a forged check…what is the problem?
HAHA! That is exactly what I was thinking. The Justice Department threw Dinesh D'Souza in jail and psychiatric evaluations for writing real checks to a political campaign. Surely this guy needs like 10 years in prison under constant sedation if he's writing forged checks to a political campaign.
I was also thinking that these liberals all lie to get what they want. He lied with the one side of the sign, then he revealed his true intention at the last second. How truly liberal of him, liars every single one of them and they have no shame showing it.
Maybe the Koch brothers will make good on the check. That would serve the liberals right.
One interesting thing about this country, that you don't see in other parts of the world, is that anybody can become a viable presidential candidate by being friends with a billionaire or two, especially after Citizens United. Of course Donald Trump is his own billionaire donor, so he doesn't need the Koch brothers. Ted Cruz has a billionaire friend supporting him:
Scott Walker is trying to get a billionaire or two in his corner so he won't have to worry about those cheap $15 donations from poor people, not when you can get a half billion from a rich person or two.
To state the obvious, the top 0.001% of the country choose the candidates and I'm not sure what they expect in return. But it's probably not the things that benefit the average person, that's my view.
I'm not talking Republicans or Democrats but the United States is fast becoming a government of the rich, a plutocracy rather than a government of the people like you and me. Sure, you've got a vote, but you don't have a billion votes like these guys.
Maybe that's good, maybe that's bad. Maybe the Founders are rejoicing in Heaven or maybe not. You decide.
The difference between the Koch brothers and George Soreass is that the Kochs earned their money by creating wealth. Soreass, on the other hand, never created a penny of wealth in his entire worthless live. Every dollar he ever got was someone else's loss.
Then make it a big deal about libs doing that instead of whining like a bunch of babies. Media? Plenty of media would back those claims...unfortunately you all know Kock bros take it to another level. Dam...you guys complain as if you were making big bucks...right.
And the lying self proclaimed ModerateRepublican does it again, interesting to note that all he does is highlight the money driving the conservative candidates but not a single mention of one of the uber liberal billionaire supporters, hey lyingrepublican, so lets look into the facts and negate this liberal lying joke once and for all.
Of the top 100 individuals donating to outside spending groups in the current election against the Forbes list of the world’s billionaires and found that, as of June 19, there were 22 individuals on the Open Secrets list who were billionaires. Of those 22 billionaires, 13 -- or more than half -- gave predominantly to liberal groups or groups affiliated with the Democratic Party. The other nine gave predominantly to conservative groups. (A list of billionaires and how much they donated can be found here, https://docs.google.com/documen/d/1DjwyrBp31d4r81P4H7eVjXwJ0R3IMhpO3C67_uGIqXU/edit)
Haha! Too bad it is not a real check. Walker is pretty good except his support of the PATRIOT Act.
 August 2, 2015 at 10:59am
It appears you have fooled yourself.
“every felon, terrorist or murderer owns a gun that was originally sold legally to someone and then sold either illegally or through the massive loopholes in the legal system that allows any criminal to buy a gun.”
There was no reason to read anything past that statement because it is a false premise.
Plenty of guns are sold legally then stolen by criminals. So your wrong, again.
Moderate is either purposefully being deceptive or painfully obtuse.
And by the way, our gun laws are the laws of the land. But you won’t hear mod trying to pass that as a credible defense.
whether it’s the amount you tip on a cup of coffee that day or family and friends now calling you for a loan.”
Dang, these people are acting like they make $250k a year. It's just $70k
No girlfriend, wonder why?
Personally, putting children through college I couldn’t live on anything even near 70K. I don’t know how anyone lives on those meager wages even if they aren’t putting kids through college, but of course I guess you get used to it if you’re too ignorant or lazy to make more. But I wouldn’t know about that.
But for sure an the job creators should only pay the bare minimum they can get by with especially with low skill jobs like at Walmart. Why pay your employees more when you can pay them less and let the taxpayer make up the difference with welfare? You’d have to be stupid to do otherwise.
In the interest of full disclosure I’d rather sever my arm with a rusty Ebola-ridden ax than shop at Walmart, but I’m happy, given the way America is, to pay my tax dollars to supplement the wages companies like Walmart refuses to pay to provide welfare for their employees. I don’t like it, I don’t like the system, but given the reality I’m happy to pay my my tax dollars to support welfare for those underpaid employees, like many here.
Nice bait Mod... Too bad to hear your mom started charging rent for the basement
The dude sleeps in the backseat of a low rider Pyro.
Mod: That's hilarious! Meanwhile in Seattle the downtrodden, underpaid and abused low-wage workers get a raise to $15 an hour and complain they can no longer collect their SNAP or EBT or whatever as they earn too much. Their answer is to work less, earn less = get more free stuff. Your post in general makes you sound like an arrogant a$$.
And Mod conveniently forgets that it was liberals like him who put the whole 'more pay for less work' plan together. Funny how he boldly states that anyone who works at WalMart as 'ignorant and lazy' when they are the very people he is bleating about being paid too little. Typical liberal.
You're missing the point Mod.
Employers pay a tax called Payroll Tax. They basically match the money getting drawn from their employees' pay and pay to IRS. Then it is redistributed back to the welfare recipients at those low paying jobs, making them dependant on the government entitlements. If you took away that Payroll Tax, I'm sure the employers would be more than happy to pay their employees that money directly. But in all reality, if you have minimum skills, you're going to earn minimum pay. There are plenty of equally or more qualified hard workers out there that will do your job for less. So as someone is making less than a "living wage" they can sit there and complain about it or do something about it. These people are so dependant on the government that they think the only way to make more money is for the government to legislate more pay to them. If you can't see the impending death spiral from this system you are being willfully ignorant to reality
Mod - you sir, have revealed yourself to be an a$$. "... I guess you get used to it if you’re too ignorant or lazy to make more" You apparently have no concept of what average Americans make. In 2013 median household income was just over $50,000 and hasn't risen much if any since. And in some states it is significantly lower. So I guess your own words are what make you ignorant. Thanks for insulting most of us hard working Americans that don't measure up to your high standards.
Have you ever even shopped at wal-mart? I mean some of the people that work there don't even deserve minimum wage! Most of them drag there feet and don't even greet you as a customer! They are lucky to have a job! Minimum wage jobs are supposed to be temporary not a career. If you want more you need to do a good job at what ever you do, and then you move up to a better job.
Mod: Wal-mart has 2,000,000+ employees.
The average wage is $8.81/hour (2012, higher now, $9+)
Paying $15/hour would give all employees a $7.19/hour raise.
That would cost Wal-mart an additional $14.4 million/hour.
Which would cost wal-mart an extra $115 million per 8 hour shift.
Which would cost wal-mart an extra $42 billion per year.
Wal-mart profited $16.8 billion in 2012.
This raise wold cause wal-mart to lose $25 billion dollars.
Wal-mart wold not be out of business and all those people out of work!
Get it now moron?
BS Mod. You are clearly an unhappy person.
 August 1, 2015 at 10:33am
“earned more than $139 million ”
Bill was seen laughing all the way to the brothel.
If I were married to wretched bitch, I'd seek out some strange myself. That's the only cool thing the neo-fascist oligarch has ever done.
Yeah maybe they made a lot of money but not nearly as much as Donald Trump! He's really rich and he's really smart.
And so what anyway? Rudy Giuliani, George Bush and Sarah Palin make just as much money from speeches.
ModCommie – so when does 270k for Guilliani’s 1 speech or Palin’s 170k for her speech equal the Clinton's 131m?
What bubble do you live in? You’re such a fraud.
I'd like to be that DEAD BROKE.
You know what the difference is, modrep? We don't care how much they make. But they seem to care how much everyone else makes. The left hates wealth, we hate hypocrisy.
BigDog says, "The left hates wealth, we hate hypocrisy." The left hate Bill and Hillary Clinton because they are wealthy? The left hate Bill Gates, the richest man in the world? I think you're confused.
"Hillary Rodham Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, ACCUMULATED more than $139 million between 2007 and 2014..."
There, I fixed it. Those two parasites haven't EARNED a damned penny in their entire worthless lives.
 August 1, 2015 at 10:10am
The reasoning behind my posts still stands regardless or the ratio. I would be surprised if you would need it explained.
Why does a company receiving 2/3′rds of its funding from private donations need additional funding from the government?
I also notice how when you support a legal, but controversial position, you say things like, “it’s the law of the land,” implying people should accept it simply because it’s the law. However, you do not let something being lawful ever stop you from bemoaning an issue, taxes, gun laws, etc.
 August 1, 2015 at 12:20am
A business owner offers two services, service A and service B.
A person makes a donation to the business with the request that donated funds only support service A, and not service B.
Once service A is propped up, business owner takes business funds originally allocated to service A and reallocates them to service B.
Service B benifit’s from money donated to service A.
 July 31, 2015 at 11:47pm
You what is truly sad.
Time and time again you has shown that there is no depth you won’t stoop to in attempt to classify every single conservative action or inaction, no matter how small, harmless, or irrelevant as an end of the world, the sky is falling, physically harmful attack on the sick, poor, elderly, or minorities.
But then something comes along and we find that planned parenthood is not only jamming scissors into the skulls of babies before sucking their brain matter out with a vacuum, but they are also dismembering and selling butchered baby parts to the highest bidder, and that is fine by you.
Oppose raising the riches taxes to 45, 55, or 85%?
Well, moderate will be around shortly to tell you how evil you are and how you are the root cause of every problem in the world.
Want to sell dismembered baby organs to the highest bidder?
Fine by him. And at the end of the day he’ll even tell you to keep up the good and necessary work.
 July 31, 2015 at 8:40pm
The story lost me when I read that an organization who dismembers babies and sells there body parts for monetary gain claimed another group was being unethical.
You're looking for rational thought from left leaning agenda-driven sycophants!
Apparently, murder and free speech are both a one way street only.
No Speck your not lost, but they sure are ...!
They are worried about the safety of their employees? Shame they're not worried about the safety of the babies lives they're killing! Talk about Topsy turvey , upside down, inside out! These people are so twisted.
Yeah, that statement had me rolling my eyes, and chuckling a bit.
Don't point to bad behavior, to justify, bad behavior.
However, I'm willing to give CMP the benefit of the doubt, since this could be a criminal charge if done incorrectly.
golden - It's perfectly logical in their minds. Remember, they're not alive and not a person until they are born. Even then, that's questionable until they can fend for themselves.
Planned Parenthood: "It's just a cluster of sells."
SpeckChaser; It's simple the poc that issued the stay was appointed to the bench by our closet muslim socio-fascist.
PS: To those that do not understand why elections have unintended consequences, this leftist judges and activist judges like Kagen and Sotomayor, are one of the results
TO "SpeckChaser" ---
RPEs --- Reproductive-Process Entities --- are not remotely babies, since ALL babies have been BORN. And since 72% of Americans still profess Christianity (including me), for their benefit I'll point out that the Bible NOWHERE either condemns not prohibits abortion. And NOWHERE does it ever suggest or claim that RPEs are people, or are defensible as such. Interestingly, in just ONE passage (Ex. 21:20-25) is a fetus defended -- but only as PROPERTY. And that same passage condones slavery!
For all who care about HONESTY, the Bible DOES make it clear precisely when PERSONHOOD begins (besides what I just pointed out above) in the emphasis and importance that it places, in a multitude of passages, upon BIRTHrights, first-BORNS, and BIRTH order.
So since they arose 40 years ago as the Bible's prophesied FALSE TEACHERS, and started and have maintained since as a very well-oiled-financially machine (it routinely drains the wallets and purses of its unquestioning sycophants.for donations, and purchases of its propaganda-laced literature and media) the RRR Cult; that UN-Christian, [Ir]-"Religious" Radical Right; has infested America, and deceived MILLIONS of people (as the Bible prophesied). And this has caused a dramatic and exponential rise in "Nones," as Christians decline in the USA. A full 7% change in the last decade!
MOST of society hasn't yet learned the difference between strident FAUX Christians and quiet ACTUAL ones. Painting ALL w/same brush!
Go craig go! You're on fire! Wow! That's refreshing!
Lectured by a "christian" about how it's us that has distorted the words of the bible. Yeah! And condoning the killing of the unborn. Let's say the bible doesn't say it's wrong. So if we object, we are no longer christians in your enlightened eyes?
Well that's convenient. Please, sir, the next post I'd like to see from you is how you're also an ardent supporter of the 2A and you own lots o'guns. But common sense gun control has 90% support.
And "if we could save one life." No better way to earn your cred here. Perhaps soros should fire you and bring in the big guns. You suck at your job.
Another fraud. Another day. GFY and that's that good Christian coming out of me. Lord forgive me.
Craig - I must assume you would agree with the following statement. If Mary had the technology available to her to safely abort Jesus before he was born that it would have been ok and within her rights, Maybe that the question we should be asking people. Some will give offensive answers.
TO "Slap the Left" --
May I suggest that you fine-tune your alias to be more reflective of that which you oppose? On that which is perceived to be “the left” are two groups of people, and MUCH of those two sets do not overlap. There are the tax-and-spend, often-socialism-favoring “fiscal liberals,” and there are the fair-minded, sensible, and compassionate “social liberals,” who are better know by the term “egalitarians.” That latter group is the one that you and those of your persuasion (who align with, or are part of, the [Ir]-“Religious” Radical Right”) so vehemently and irrationally oppose with rhetoric — but no substantive facts. So for the sake of being accurately up front, since you the supporters and defenders of human rights in your sights, that you re-name your alias to say, “Slap the Egalitarians” (??)
See next post.
TO “Slap the Left” —
More than a QUADRILLION living and human “unborn” (i.e., RPE; reproductive-process-entity) potential people are being electively-aborted DAILY, worldwide, as Stage One RPEs (gametes) by MEN. With impunity! It is only the girls and women who are being mercilessly harassed by absolute-stranger Anti-Choicers who desperately and irrationally are foaming-at-the-mouth to see them FORCED to gestate Unwanted pregnancies to term against their will. At the expense of their rights, short-term-and-long-term well-being, and at the expense of countless permanent deletions from their former full-ranges of future opportunities. A perfect description of unconscionable imposition of involuntary servitude. Roe vs. Wade could as easily have been the same Emancipation of Women, based upon THAT Amendment!
See next post.
TO "Slap the Left" ---
Continuing to respond to your post of 8-1-15 at 7:01 p.m., you seem to think that I might believe an Anti-Choicer who claims to be a Christian NOT to be one due to that? Well, there’s no way I can know if a person has accepted Christ. Only God and Jesus (who is God) knows that. But for sure, the RRR Cult is comprised primarily of two types of people: (1) Mainly low-esteem “joiners” who use their lemminghood in the cult as a support system for their bigotry, and often are not Christians by the above crucial definition. (Jerry Falwell recruited millions of those from his southern base in Lynchburg, VA by providing the racist bigots who’d recently been disenfranchised by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 with NEW, vulnerable, and “acceptable” targets against whom to discriminate — gays, teenage girls, and women). They were ready-made fair game for recruitment by the consummately-OPPORTUNISTIC leader and spokesman of the American version of the False Teachers, Falwell.
See next post for the other group.
TO "Slap the Left" ---
And (2) Primarily lower-echelon-intellect (since most people of average-and-above intellect see through the lying phoniness and speciousness of the propagandistic rhetoric and jargon of the cult’s False-Teacher leaders in a heartbeat, so want nothing to do with them or their hateful and irrational agendas) ACTUAL Christians who were gullible enough to have been conned into believing all of the False Teachers’ NON-Biblically-supported tripe AS THOUGH it were the gospel truth. It’s SAD that either sort of people have been thus victimized by the greedy, self-serving, opportunistic, and thoroughly UN-Christian-behaving False Teachers. But Jesus prophesied that those False Teachers would arrive in the latter days, and that they WOULD “deceive many.” For 40 years they’ve been exponentially-worse grifters than Bernie Madoff — with impunity. While Bernie rots in prison serving a 115-year-long sentence for doing SO much LESS damage to society! How utterly ironic!
See next post for conclusion of my response to yours of 7:01 p.m.
TO "Slap the Left" ---
Your thinking that the 2nd Amendment is of any concern to me is going down a rabbit path to this discussion. A red herring/strawman. But for the record, I think common-sense gun control is good, and that the 2nd Amendment has been outmoded and unnecessary since the end of the War of 1812. It COULD be recinded in the same way that the Prohibition Amendment later was. And the Constitution would be the better for its deletion and absence.
The ending of your post was pointless — but serves as a good reminder that NO FACTS even exist that support the anti-human-rights agendas of the RRR Cult. And — my JOB is to be the most Christian-acting Christian egalitarian that I can be, in keeping with Jesus’ Commandment that His followers love their neighbors as themselves...
See: http://www.ChristianEgalitarian.com —
...and has nothing to do with Soros nor anyone else.
If that doesn’t click right through, that is:
TO "One of the Quiet Ones" ---
GIVEN the fact that Mary was supernaturally informed of the role God had chosen for her, it is probable that she would not have accessed the Reset Remedy of Abortion, had it been legally and technologically available to her, and would still have accepted the assignment. Also, God would have known beforehand if she would be willing to do so, and had she not been, He probably would simply have chosen a different woman for the task and honor.
So it WOULD have been within her rights to abort, under the circumstance you described — but the above factors make that a moot question.
Craig- You didn't answer the part about it being ok.
There's the new leftist phrase again - anti choice.
Nah, it's pro life douche bag. You no longer get to redefine words. Dismissed.
After all of your posts, you are exactly as I thought.
CraigChilton you are at best guilty of blasphemy. More than likely you are truly evil and intentionally lying.
First and foremost, if even an iota of what you say is true, how could/ why would G-d come down and announce Jesus before his birth?As for the rest of your utterly made up ignorant BS read it and weep:
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
Your hands made me and formed me; give me understanding to learn your commands.
For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb.
Because he did not kill me in the womb; so my mother would have been my grave, and her womb forever great.
“When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman’s husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if there is harm, then you shall pay life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
Once again the liberal is proven to be the liar.
The fact that you cannot discern truth from your own thoughts suggests to us all that your are schizophrenic!
Why can't both sides be unethical?
TO “One of the Quiet Ones” –-
OBVIOUSLY, it would have been “OKAY,”IF it had been legal back then, and if the technology had existed. That would have been her RIGHT and her capability. BUT, due to the extenuating factors I presented in my post, that would have been MOOT. Because if she would have been inclined to take that course, God, being omniscient and knowing the future, simply would have chosen someone else, instead. A person that would have been amenable to the proferred gestation
TO “Slap the Left” (in actuality, “Slap the Egalitarians”) –
YOU errantly claimed that “Anti-Choice” is a “new Leftist phrase.”
ROTFL!!! That is the ACCURATE term for all of the ACTUAL douche-bags who have ever sought to cause girls and women to again be FORCED against their will into the involuntary servitude of fully gestating worthless and unwanted pregnancies, with concomitant loss to them of a significant percentage of their prior full ranges of future opportunities. People don’t GET any more sociopathic than that, short of doing something for which they would be incarcerated. Anti-Choicers/RRR Cultists are the DREGS of society, and the only things lower than those steaming heaps of skunk dung are the False Teachers who arose 40 years ago and recruited them to follow that anti-human rights hate-agenda. ALL Anti-Choicers and RRR Cultists (usually the same people) thus can properly be regarded as sociopathic enemies of liberty and of society in this land that is SUPPOSED to be free. Prior to the RRR Cultists of the last 40 years, the last COMPARABLE such dregs were the white-separatist segregationists of the Jim Crow South.
See next post.
TO "Slap the Left" ---
“Anti-Choice” is a term that was coined by sensible and HONEST egalitarians more than 40 years ago to counter the LYING term, “pro-life” (since pretty much ALL people are pro-life for all of the life that COUNTS — that which has been BORN.), which the False Teachers coined in a very TRANSPARENT attempt to portray FAIR-minded egalitarian as being the opposite. MOST people have had no problem recognizing that transparency... and 78% of Americans, per the Gallup Poll, support some or all abortions.
Thankfully, our still-egalitarian-majority U.S. Supreme Court still is usually doing a very good job of protecting human rights. (However, “Hobby Lobby” was a very egregious misstep on their part.)
TO "Slap the Left" ---
In your post of 8-2-15 at 7:04, you PROVED that you are in possession of ZERO facts which you could bring to bear in a rebuttal to the ABUNDANT facts that I presented to my response posts to you – in that LAMEST post imaginable!
But you never stood a chance. Because as any HONEST and FACT-CHECKING reader of my response to you can see, the numerous facts that I present to debunk you were 100% TRUTHFUL, and therefore could NOT BE rebutted. Either by you, or by anyone else like you who has been programmed to adhere to, and believe in, the agendas of the False Teachers — INSTEAD of to the teachings and examples that were set by Jesus.
TO BDnSC –
You are WRONG on ALL counts. I deal only in facts, and as a PK (“preacher’s kid”) who was brought up well by his minister father and teacher mother, and who graduated from a Christian college — and has been a born-again Christian since I was a pre-teen, I present my facts from a biblical and Christian perspective. And for as long as my website has been up — www.ChristianEgalitarian.com — for over a decade, now, NO one has yet been able to disprove anything that I’ve written therein. So that makes me the exact OPPOSITE of those LYING claims you made; I’m a truthful, Biblically-accurate Christian who is NO more evil than any other given imperfect Christian who tries his best not to be. I’ve made NOTHING up, so that was a blatant LIE on your part. And thus you have ZERO credibility. And when I condemn people who are bigots who seek to discriminate hatefully against their neighbors, it is accurately done with Jesus’ COMMANDMENT in mind. (And I even know how to spell “God” right. He never told anyone to MISSPELL it!)
I didn’t say that GOD came down PERSONALLY to provide Mary with her assignment. If you look at your Bible, you’ll see that the message was ANGELICALLY-conveyed. He delegated that task. And PRIOR to Mary’s existence, God announce MANY facts about Jesus and His birth, via His O.T. prophets, HUNDREDS of years beforehand.
See next post.
Craig Chilton TO BDnSC –-
Since God is omniscient, of COURSE He “knew” Jeremiah BEFORE that prophet’s two Stage One RPEs even REACHED his mother’s womb, as the passage makes clear. Which means that God knew him at the GAMETE (sperm-and-ovum, which had not yet met) stage. And doubtlessly also as his scattered atoms millions of years before that! (Interestingly, ANTI-Choicers almost NEVER defend Stage One RPEs, even though they, TOO, are human and LIVING potential people. Anti-Choicers, like all the rest of their fellow RRR Cult sycophants, are thoroughly-programmed hypocrites.
Pertaining to your other cites, you need to remember that the Psalms were SONGS. Not doctrine.
Ex. 21:20-25 is the ONLY defense of a fetus in the entire Bible, and NO personhood aspect was involved. The fetus was regarded merely to be PROPERTY. And interestingly, that passage CONDONES slavery!
See next post.
Craig Chilton TO BDnSC ---
As an ACTUAL Christian, I will continue to obey JESUS, and love my neighbors. And in doing that, SUPPORT the right of girls and women to access the SECOND CHANCE offered by the RESET Remedy of Abortion. Albeit probably unwittingly in most cases, abortion providers and their staffs are doing a WONDERFUL job of emulating Jesus as Lord of Second Chances, per the examples that He set with the Woman at the Well, and the Woman Taken in Adultery. Should I ever become fortunate enough to get rich, I’ll build and start an abortion clinic and name it “Woman at the Well Reset Center.” (That’s a PROMISE. If I ever DO get rich, building that center where it’s most needed will be my FIRST philanthropical priority!)
Finally, MOST “liberals” (i.e., egalitarians) DON’T lie. We don’t need to, since ALL of the FACTS support our pro-human-rights stances. We leave LYING up to the FAUX-Christian RRR Cultists who have been programmed to PARROT lying propaganda and jargon generated by their (biblically-prophesied) False-Teacher leaders — to whom THEY pledge their allegiance AS unquestioning followers. And as those lies are spewed into society, we DEBUNK and REFUTE them.
@CraigChilton: I visited the site you keep promoting. Probably the saddest thing is, you appear to believe you have come up with something profound.
All I need is a single scripture to refute all of your "reasonings"...
TO “Half-Truths_are_Lies” –
You have refuted nothing that I’ve said, by citing Isaiah 5:20. But that passage REAFFIRMS all that I’ve been saying about the False Teachers, and is a strong INDICTMENT of them.
Jesus prophesied that the generation that was present on the earth (which could mean one already in progress, or one that started at the time of the event to which He was referring) would not pass from the earth until ALL of the things He was describing would happen, would be fulfilled. Which would include either the Rapture, or the His Second Coming to follow 7 years later, at the end of the Tribulation Period. Fascinatingly, if the generation to which he referred would already be in existence and in progress when that key event occurred – the budding of the fig tree (which Bible scholars are sure refers to either the restoration of Israel as a nation ) (1948) or the 6-Day War (1967) when Jerusalem came fully back into the hands of the Jews — then the Rapture could happen at ANY time. Because if that final generation was already WELL in progress, that LATEST just-cited date is now almost half a century ago. And with medical science being what it is, there usually is a person somewhere in the world at any given time who’s believed to be the oldest person alive. And that person is never over 120. The most recent demise of such a person happened a few days ago, at the age of 116.
This thought continues with the next post.
TO “Half-Truths_are_Lies” –
So if the generation was in progress, but, say, was within 50 or so years of the last person in it dying, then the Rapture could be right around the corner. But that said, it is far more likely that Jesus was tying that final generation’s beginning to the Key Event. And IF that event were the 1967 one, then (barring huge medical strides in the meantime resulting in dramatic increases in longevity) 120 years later would be 2087. And if the Key Event were the 1948 one, then the last person in that generation could die (ENDING that generation) around 2068. Worst case scenario for people who love the lives they now have is that the latter scenario would mean that it would be unlikely that their life could be longer than another 53 years or so at best. But it gets worse. Because Jesus never indicated how far the last generation (the one including all of His End-Times prophesies) would progress before the Rapture. SO — the Rapture still could occur at ANY time between now and, say, 53 to 72 years from now, no matter what the scenario. But another 72 years is almost surely the absolute maximum amount of time remaining.
The above time-frame background was necessary to set the stage for the important points I’ll make next, in the following post.
TO Half-Truths_are_Lies --
In your post, you cited Isaiah 5:20, which prophesied that there would be people who would be teaching the diametric OPPOSITE of reality. I.e., calling good evil, and vice-versa.
And in Mt. 24:9-11 Jesus prophesied, “ 9 Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time, many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.”
And Jesus further described the False Teachers in Mt. 7:15-16 — “ 15 Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheeps’ clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will know them.”
Actually, He was spot on, but unfortunately it takes people who are both DISCERNING, and WILLING to discern, to recognize their fraudulent nature and their lies. Millions of people in the 20% of Americans now declaring themselves to be “Nones” have recognized that (causing many to leave Christianity to BECOME people who declare NO religious affiliation. But to fully realize that the leaders of the FAUX-Christian RRR Cult are not MERELY supremely-successful Bernie-Madoff-emulators with impunity, but ALSO are the very False Prophets that Jesus prophesied WOULD appear in this, the final generation... additionally requires a person to be well-Biblically-versed (and it further helps to be a Christian) in order to reach THAT level of discernment.
TO “Half-Truths_are_Lies” –
Now, to be SUCCESSFUL as a False Teacher, a person has to have such an amazing amount of credibility and admiration that he is thus ENABLED to “deceive many,” as Jesus promised they would. Meaning that those ravening wolves would have to be consummate sheep-emulators. And THUS be able to fulfill the prophecy of Isaiah 5:20 by conjuring up LYING and PHONY agendas having NO Biblical support or substantiation, and SCAM millions of people (including countless low-intellect-and-thus-prone-to-unquestioning-gullibility) actual Christians. Wolves who are actually MAKING their evil appear to be good — and compassion to be evil!
Jesus taught (and commanded) love, and He set an example many times via His miracles, His healings, and his dealings with the Woman Taken in Adultery and the Woman at the Well that He was/is Lord of Second Chances. The Bible in NO way prohibits not condemns abortion, nor does it ever accord personhood to RPEs — reproductive-process entities. And the Bible makes it CLEAR that personhood begins with BIRTH, as I pointed out yesterday in a post. And the Bible never EXCLUDES any loving partners from marriage (with the sole possible exception being incestuous circumstances. It DOES, however, prohibit ALL sex that is EXTRAmarital.
Keep that in mind in this next post.
TO “Half-Truths_are_Lies” –
Jesus is Lord of Second Chances, and he proved that over and over again, quite dramatically and indisputably. And love was extremely important to Him. SO important that He commanded His followers to love their neighbors as themselves!
Right now, the world’s population includes about 350 million people whose sexual orientation are LGBT. (5% of humanity; BORN that way, just as the rest of us were born “straight.” Almost NONE of the world’s 7 billion people ever woke up deciding to CHOOSE the gender they would love.) There is NO reason to believe that God, who enabled almost ALL of the people to have the capability to love would seek to sentence those 350 million to lives of celibate misery. But God does STRICTLY require MARRIAGE to have sex.
The False Teachers who’ve programmed their sycophantic recruits to call themselves “evangelicals” have deceived incredibly effectively. TRUE evangelical Christians EVANGELIZE. Which is spreading the gospel. The False Teachers’ lemmings mostly are so obsessed with seeking to make the lives of tens of millions of girls, women, and gays miserable that evangelism is cast to the wayside.
False Teachers = Pharisees, and the Bible in NO way supports their PHONY vendettas against the Reset Remedy of Abortion, which has put MILLIONS of lives back on track, NOR does it in any way advocate DISCRIMINATING against gays or anyone else.WHAT wolves-in-sheeps’ clothing they are! The ultimate GRIFTERS.
TO “Half-Truths_are_Lies” –
WHAT IF... the leaders of the RRR Cult were NOT the False Teachers Jesus prophesied would come?
Well — THEN they would have to be HONEST, actual Christian leaders who NEVER conjured up PHONY and UN-biblical hate-agendas with which to wage persecution throughout society, and at the same time have the necessary mojo to keep their millions of sycophantic cultists donating, and purchasing their propaganda-laced literature and media... incessantly.
Because HONEST, genuinely-Christian leaders would be emphasizing the example that Jesus set, and His multitude of compassionate teachings and commandments. Whereas the self-serving False Teachers preach the opposite, and ALL of the benefits accrue to THEM, and their satisfaction of seeing the lives of tens of millions of people who are TARGETED by their hate-agendas being devastated.
The agendas of TRUE Christian leaders would support what the BIBLE supports, and would oppose what the BIBLE opposes. And the Bible emphatically opposes the FOLLOWING: All extramarital sex, including cohabitation, casual sex, and adultery, all divorce for UN-Biblically-acceptable reasons, all lying, stealing and coveting, dabbling in the occult (New Age, mediums – a la John Edward, on TV – numerology, fortune-telling, seances, Ouija Boards, Tarot Cards, etc.). THOSE are the agendas that REAL Christian leaders would be pursuing.
By their fruits we will know the FALSE Teachers. Indeed. PHONIES!.
See concluding post.
TO “Half-Truths_are_Lies” –
Just one more thing worth mentioning. Remember that Jesus prophesied THIS in Matt. 24:9? — “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. “
That is well underway right now overseas, where millions of bonafide Christians are being both persecuted mercilessly and even slain merely for just BEING Christians!
Well, you might say, that’s tragic, and beyond our control to prevent — but at least nothing like that is happening HERE.
No, not YET. It would SEEM as though sufficient safeguards exist in the USA and Canada, and possibly in most of the other “civilized” nations to allow sense to prevail and prevent that. BUT — Jesus said we would become hated and persecuted in His name by ALL nations. So WHAT IF the currently-benign “Nones” who now comprise 20% of Americans, and are growing in numbers exponentially, not only suddenly come to the FULL realization, in a catalyzing “Aha!” moment, that the “evangelicals” are seriously DETRIMENTAL to society — but have NOT yet realized that they are a PHONY minority. And mistake them INSTEAD for being ACTUAL Christians. THAT translates to “ALL Christians are nasty and hateful people who need to be dealt with as such.” And the persecution then COULD reach our shores. Just as Jesus prophesied would happen, worldwide.
The False Teachers have DEVASTATED Christianity in America in 40 short years, and present GRAVE dangers on many levels!
Craig - I think your compass needle is a little off.
@CraigChilton – Just because you do not accept it, does not negate it. And btw… did you really believe I would take any more time going through your bloviating? If I wish to surround myself with crap... I will lay down with pigs.
TO “Half-Truths_are_Lies” –
Your inability to refute the FACTS that I’ve presented is not surprising, since debunking TRUTH is impossible. Your unwillingness to thoroughly READ those facts is perfectly in line with the effective programming the False Teachers have wielded upon you. The first thing that cultists are taught by their False-Teacher leaders is to NOT be associated with anything that contradicts them. Which makes Jesus’ prophesied False Teachers akin to all other cult leaders that have ever been. TRUTH is ANATHEMA to cults.
However, the detailed posts that I presented were not done solely for YOU to read. They were provided so that ALL who read them could see the irrefutable FACTS. And thus benefit from learning things they may not have realized before.
And thanks for REMINDING people of Isaiah 5:20 – since it INDICTS the False Teachers who deceptively recruited and programmed, and have been leading, their unquestioning FAUX-Christian sycophants of the RRR Cult.
TO “One of the Quiet Ones” –
YOU wrote: “I think that your compass needle is a little off.”
In that case, it is my sincere hope that you will consider becoming a Christian. Because everything that I wrote aligns with Jesus’ teachings, and the examples that He set.
@CraigChilton – I read enough of your website to realize there is nothing you can say to convince me that your “FACTS” have any more value than my “FARTS”. I can get the Bible to back up just about anything I want it to with scriptural rail-splitting and ignoring context… that doesn’t make the premise true. Go back to your little hate-filled existence where abortion is nothing more than a reset and your god accepts gay marriage. Good luck with that!
TO Half-Truths_are_Lies —
LOL!!! Maybe YOU *can* engage in “scriptural rail-splitting and ignoring context,” if that’s what toots yer horn, but it’s not MY way of treating it. I believe in what Jesus SAID. He made it very clear that He has such LOW regard for the False Teachers that He even went out of His way to warn us TWICE to beware of them, so as not to become ensnared, in Matthew chapters 7 and 24, and elsewhere. NO spin there — that language is clear as a bell! And hundreds of years earlier, Isaiah warned us against them, and the lying tactics that they would employ in that passage that you so thoughtfully (but ironically) keep citing, Isaiah 5:20.
So you’re clearly in the thrall of the False Teachers, and owe your allegiance to them and their irrational, hateful, and never-Biblically-supported, opportunistic-on-the-cult-leaders’-part agendas against millions of your neighbors INSTEAD of to Jesus and the compassion that He taught, and the love that He COMMANDED that we show to them. That’s very sad for you, but most people know how "all-in" programmed cultists can become, and how close to impossible it is to DE-program them. So you may well live out the rest of your days in that thrall, in rejection of what Jesus wants us to be, and how Jesus wants us to act. Your choice. One truly cannot serve Jesus and Mammon — and the False Teachers are about as good a match for “Mammon” as it gets.
To Craig - I only said it was a little off - enough to get lost at the end of your travels. I think we will just disagree on abortion and gay marriage. Yes there are many things that get overlooked in society. Thank you for your sentiment. You will be pleased to know that I have been a Christian for some time. I believe if your allowance of abortion were tested against the two commandments it would fail. You may say because it isn't an other or a person there is no cause to love it as you love yourself. I don't want to put words in your mouth. If you want to contradict that with an example of the mother wanting to keep it - that is just a legal perspective from today. It is or it is not. There is Truth beyond our set of laws. So you may not believe the murder of a fetus say through a shooting is murder. You would be consistent. If you believe it is murder you may want to reconsider your opinion. Either way you may want to do that. Yes abortion is a symptom of problems that aren't really addressed. So are a lot of things because it is all we ever knew. If you want the last word - I can't say that I will reply again.
TO "One of the Quiet Ones" ---
I’m glad that you are a Christian, and probably an Actual one. As for abortion, the Bible proves ABUNDANTLY that claiming that it is Biblically-opposed is lying propaganda concocted by the False Teachers (and by many other opponents before they came on the scene), because I NO WAY does the Bible condemn nor even so much as criticize abortion. Even though that remedy was practiced via abortifacients going back AT LEAST 1,000 years prior to the birth of Christ. So if God/Jesus had any problem with it, they had plenty of chance, even THAT long ago, to say something about it.
INSTEAD, we have a Bible that is laced with proofs that God regarded personhood to begin at birth! As evidenced by the huge emphasis and importance that He ascribed to BIRTHrights, first-BORNS, and BIRTH order. NO defenses of RPEs (reproductive-process entities) at all, except the ONE passage that regarded a fetus to be PROPERTY, and condoned slavery! And Jesus often PROVED Himself Lord of Second Chances!
I never seek to have the “last word.” But it often works that way because hard-core opponents keep posting material that deserves factual refutation. I welcome good, civil discussions.
TO "John 1776" ---
By the way, John, since ALL babies have been BORN, the Reset Remedy of Abortion has NO effect on them. And PP, per the video, is NOT selling fetal organs for profit. It is sensibly and compassionately making them available to medical science AT COST, so that all of humanity can be benefited by that valuable research. Which is exponentially better and more sensible than simply disposing of them, and thus letting beneficial items go completely to waste. Just as it is better for actual PEOPLE to check “YES” on the organ-donor question for their drivers’ licenses!
@CraigChilton - You are a sad little man, and I pity you.
TO Half-Truths_are_Lies –-
THANKS for —
(1) reminding people that NO FACTS even EXIST that you could draw upon to rebut any of the abundant truths that I’ve presented in my posts, and
(2) reminding people of the prophecy and warning that Isaiah made (Is. 5:20) hundreds of years before Jesus was born, of the tactics that today’s False-Teacher leaders of the FAUX-Christian RRR Cult (which Jesus prophesied) would employ to deceive and snare millions of unquestioning sycophants... to cause them to REJECT Jesus and His compassionate teachings. Isaiah, prophet appointed by God, INDICTED them in that passage, thousands of years ago! ALL Biblical prophesies whose time for fulfillment have already come, HAVE come to pass. A 100% success rate!
And just for the record, I’m of average size, not little. And one of the most JOYOUS people anyone could meet! NO pity needed or wanted. Especially from sycophants of the False Teachers.
So you LIED about me. See Rev. 21:8 to see the fate that Jesus unconditionally PROMISED *will* befall ALL liars.
See next post.
At that future inevitable time when you’ll be standing before Jesus at the Great White Throne Judgment, your response to His likely question will probably be a LULU! But if you LIE, He’ll know it!
Jesus’ possible question? — “And WHY is it that after you were presented with irrefutable, Biblical proof that the False Teachers that I’d prophesied had arrived, were indeed the wolves-in-sheeps’ clothing that I had promised they would be, profiteering with their lying propaganda and deceptions, and turning people away from me by the millions... WHILE imposing unconscionable hardship and damage to society, and acting the OPPOSITE of the way I taught my believers to behave — you STILL continued to obey THEM, and disregard ME? Their true nature was EXPOSED to you in Internet posts in August, 2015 with scriptural-backing cites... but you chose to reject those FACTS, favoring the False Teachers instead. WHY? What did you hope to GAIN by repudiating Me so blatantly, and ignoring the warnings that I provided in Matthew 7 and 24? Did you really think that you wouldn’t ever have to answer to me for that? Looking back now, what GOOD did you think you were doing for anyone by supporting the False Teachers’ FALSE and hateful agendas against your neighbors? Instead of evangelizing, in obedience to my Great Commission commandment — which would have brought people to Me?” Followed, perhaps by — “Depart from Me. I never knew you.” Then keeps His promise.
 July 31, 2015 at 4:08pm
Maybe I missed something but only thing I could tell from the cell phone video is whoever was in charge of the radio has bad taste in music.
 July 31, 2015 at 1:37pm
I think it’s strange they haven’t released the dash cam video.
 July 30, 2015 at 4:29pm
The video is available in its entirety. I have yet to see anyone no one cite something from the unedited video showing something being taken out of context.
They all have been, amazing how that neglects to ever be pointed out to Josh "Dis"Earnest
If anything the full videos are much more disturbing than the shorts. All the amoral libs running to the defense of PP say they were heavily edited and taken out of context.
That's all the proof I need that they have no intention of watching the full videos. The truth just might prove them wrong. Then how could they defend the murder and mutilation for profit?
I'm sure the DOJ is already working on PP's defense.
 July 30, 2015 at 12:56pm
Moderate says, “Why do claim to love unborn babies when your acts and words show you couldn’t care less about them?”
You really can’t make this stuff up…
Moderates idea of caring for unborn babies is terminating them before they leave the womb.
Moderate supports abortion which disproportionately terminates African America babies…he just loves them that much!
 July 30, 2015 at 12:06pm
The whole unedited video is available.
Why has no one has come forward citing where there was a deceptive edit from the whole video?