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• Beck Invites You to Submit Questions for Tonight’s Special BlazeTV Episode on the Mormon Faith

  September 10, 2012 at 11:27am

  In reply to Lemonade Grandma.

  Continuing …

  “All those who are counted worthy to be exalted and to become Gods, even the sons of God, will go forth and have earths and worlds like those who framed this and millions on millions of others.” (Brigham Young – 2nd President – Journal of Discourses 17:143)

  “When they receive their crowns, their dominions, they then will be prepared to frame earths like unto ours and to people them in the same manner as we have been brought forth by our parents, by our Father and God” (Discourses of Brigham Young, p. 283; Journal of Discourses 18:259, October 8, 1876)

  And what did the Apostles of the LDS believe?

  “As our Father and God begat us, sons and daughters, so will we rise immortal, males and females, and beget children, and, in our turn, form and create worlds, and send forth our spirit children to inherit those worlds, the same as we were sent here, and thus will the works of God continue, and not only God himself, and His Son Jesus Christ have the power of endless lives, but all of His redeemed offspring.” (Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses 14:242)

  “… having abiding in them eternal lives shall beget, throughout the endless ages of eternity, the souls of the children of men to the honor and glory of God, and create and have dominion over worlds.” (Moses Thatcher, Journal of Discourses 26:305)

  ” Their righteous lives opened the door to godhood for them and creation of worlds with eternal increase” (President Kimball Speaks Out [1981],

• Beck Invites You to Submit Questions for Tonight’s Special BlazeTV Episode on the Mormon Faith

  September 10, 2012 at 11:19am

  In reply to Lemonade Grandma.

  Just so this will appear inline with the questions, here are some quotes by LDS Presidents:

  “We will become gods and have jurisdiction over worlds, and these worlds will be peopled by our own offspring.” (Joseph Fielding Smith 10th President, Doctrines of Salvation 2:48, quoted in Achieving a Celestial Marriage Student Manual, 1976, p.132)

  “Each one of you has it within the realm of his possibility to develop a kingdom over which you will preside as its king and god. You will need to develop yourself and grow in ability and power and worthiness, to govern such a world with all of its people. ” Spencer W Kimball 12th President

  “When two Latter-day Saints are united together in marriage, promises are made to them concerning their offspring that reach from eternity to eternity. They are promised that they shall have the power and the right to govern and control and administer salvation and exaltation and glory to their offspring, worlds without end. And what offspring they do not have here, undoubtedly there will be opportunities to have them hereafter. What else could man wish? A man and a woman, in the other life, having celestial bodies, free from sickness and disease, glorified and beautified beyond description, standing in the midst of their posterity, governing and controlling them, administering life, exaltation and glory worlds without end” (Lorenzo Snow 5th President – Deseret News, 13 Mar. 1897; quoted by Spencer W. Kimball in The Miracle of Forgiv

• Beck Invites You to Submit Questions for Tonight’s Special BlazeTV Episode on the Mormon Faith

  September 6, 2012 at 7:11pm

  In reply to Lemonade Grandma.

  Here’s another quote that I cannot find a direct link to and would appreciate either substantiation or refutation:

  Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 2:43-44, 48:

  “In other words, we will have the privilege of becoming like him. To become like him we must have all the powers of godhood; thus a man and his wife when glorified will have spirit children who eventually will go on an earth like this one we are on and pass through the same kind of experiences, being subject to mortal conditions, and if faithful, then they also will receive the fulness of exaltation and partake of the same blessings. There is no end to this development; it will go on forever. We will become gods and have jurisdiction over worlds, and these worlds will be peopled by our own offspring. We will have an endless eternity for this.”

• Beck Invites You to Submit Questions for Tonight’s Special BlazeTV Episode on the Mormon Faith

  September 6, 2012 at 6:34pm

  In reply to Lemonade Grandma.

  DeerJerkeyDave – Thanks for the reply.

• Beck Invites You to Submit Questions for Tonight’s Special BlazeTV Episode on the Mormon Faith

  September 6, 2012 at 4:14pm

  In reply to Lemonade Grandma.

  (continuing my last post) …

  A few paragraphs later in the discourse:

  And I want you to know that in the last days, while certain individuals are proclaiming his name, God is not trifling with you or me; it is the first principle of consolation. How consoling to the mourner when he is called to part with a husband, wife, father, mother, child, or dear relative, to know that although the earthly tabernacle shall be dissolved that dear one shall rise in immortal glory, not to sorrow, suffer, or die any more but shall be God’s heirs and joint heirs with Jesus Christ. What is it? It is to inherit the same glory, the same power, and the same exaltation until you ascend the throne of eternal power the same as those who are gone before. What did Jesus do? Why, I do the things I saw my Father do when worlds came rolling into existence. I saw my Father work out his kingdom with fear and trembling, and I must do the same; and when I get my kingdom I shall present it to my Father so that he obtains kingdom upon kingdom, and it will exalt his glory. And so Jesus treads in his tracks to inherit what God did before. It is plain beyond disputation.

  So the Prophet Joseph Smith was planning on getting a kingdom which he will present to Heavenly Father. I understood that this kingdom would be a panet of his own that he would rule. This is not official doctrine of the LDS but instead speculation of some others?

  Thank you for helping to clear this up. I appreciate your patien

• Beck Invites You to Submit Questions for Tonight’s Special BlazeTV Episode on the Mormon Faith

  September 6, 2012 at 4:13pm

  In reply to Lemonade Grandma.

  Thanks to Marvell & Joey8 both for very clear, concise, and patient answers. I have understood that the King Follett discourse is the basis for the belief that perfected LDS will eventually be made co-equals with Heavenly Father and they will be eventually given a planet of their own:

  This is starting about the 10th paragraph from the top:

  “First, God himself, who sits enthroned in yonder heaven, is a man like one of you. That is the great secret. If the veil were rent today and you were to see the great God who holds this world in its orbit and upholds all things by his power, you would see him in the image and very form of a man; for Adam was created in the very fashion and image of God. He received instruction from and walked, talked, and conversed with him as one man talks and communes with another.

  In order to understand the subject of the dead for the consolation of those who mourn for the loss of their friends, it is necessary they should understand the character and being of God; for I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined that God was God from all eternity. [That he was not is an idea] incomprehensible to some. But it is the simple and first principle of the gospel-to know for a certainty the character of God, that we may converse with him as one man with another. God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus Christ himself did, and I will show it from the Bible. ”

  http://mldb.byu.edu/follett.htm

• Beck Invites You to Submit Questions for Tonight’s Special BlazeTV Episode on the Mormon Faith

  September 6, 2012 at 1:30pm

  In reply to Stegall TX.

  Thanks for the reply, Reaganbaby, but I just want to be certain that I understand the answer.

  1. The physical children of a couple here on Earth will not be part of their children who will populate their planet if they achieve their ultimate goal of perfection and elevation to godhood.

  2. The physical first-born son of a couple here on Earth will not be the savior of their planet if they achieve their ultimate goal of perfection and elevation to godhood.

  3. The spiritual first-born son of a couple who have achieved their ultimate goal of perfection and elevation to godhood will not be the savior of the planet they are given to rule over.

  This leads to other questions. Who will be the savior of that planet? I was under the impression that the Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother had sexual relations and conceived the spiritual children who become the physical inhabitants of their planet. Doesn’t each planet require a savior, or does that only happen if sin enters a world?

• Beck Invites You to Submit Questions for Tonight’s Special BlazeTV Episode on the Mormon Faith

  September 6, 2012 at 1:22pm

  In reply to smtboy.

  Thanks, Bornbitter. I have a much clearer understanding now.

• Beck Invites You to Submit Questions for Tonight’s Special BlazeTV Episode on the Mormon Faith

  September 6, 2012 at 1:20pm

  In reply to Lemonade Grandma.

  Joey, thanks for this answer as well. You say this doesn’t pertain to salvation, so Violet would get to be in heaven (obviously at the top level) just as I would and as any other person who lives a good life (though at a lower level since I’m not LDS). But, as a member of the LDS in good standing, her ultimate goal is perfection and the opportunity to rule over a planet as Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother rule over Earth. If I understand this correctly, without a husband, a good LDS woman cannot achieve that ultimate elevation to godhood.

  As I said, this came out of conversations with a LDS woman who was divorced from her husband and was inconsolable. I’ve never found a good explanation of what would happen to her online, so I decided to ask y’all.

  Thanks for the good conversation (and the benefit of the doubt).

• Beck Invites You to Submit Questions for Tonight’s Special BlazeTV Episode on the Mormon Faith

  September 6, 2012 at 1:13pm

  In reply to smtboy.

  Thanks, Joey8. I appreciate the answer.