These people are totally disgusting…Waterboarding doesn’t look that bad after all…….
April 4, 2014 at 10:19am
At least he picked the right day to come up with those numbers….April Fools Day….sounds logical to me.
August 14, 2013 at 12:40pm
I think the article fails to explain the context of the conversation in which he made these remarks. Who was he giving this speech to? Was he cornered by a journalist?
July 31, 2013 at 3:57pm
There really is nothing new here. Non Christians have tried to denounce Jesus’ deity for 2000 years now. What would you expect from a muslim?
July 23, 2013 at 2:35pm
And how exactly does that dating work? They must be amazing people to figure that out! Do they spin a wheel and whatever number it lands on is what it is? Are these the same ones that came up with global warming?
Here is a good link for an introduction how fossils are dated.
There are a variety of different ways to figure out how old an object is.
Of course, the best method is to check the account of a reliable eyewitness, if one is available. The Bible is such a record. Since it is the written Word of God, we can trust it to tell us the truth about the past. Carefully studying the Biblical record, we find that the universe has an age of around 6,000 years, and that a world-changing, global Flood occurred about 4,300 years ago.
Those who don’t accept the Biblical account of history look for other ways to discover the age of things. One of these methods is based on a substance found in our bodies, plants and all living things—it’s called carbon.
I'm sorry, SOVERIGNSOUL, but the earth is much older than 6,000 years. Those "calculations" were made over 100 years ago, and even people who believe the Bible to be a historical record have shown these calculations to be wrong.
Here's a -better- resource (list of related articles) on how it works (and does NOT legitimately support long ages):
Many people come to the conclusion that the EARTH is just 6000 years old. That cannot be because the creation of the heavens and the earth occurred long before Adam and Eve came on the scene. When examining the Genesis account carefully, we learn that Adam and Eve was created toward the end of the sixth creative day (era) and there was five periods of time previous to their creation. Man has been here some 6,000 years but the earth - who knows how old it is?
Only God knows that accurately!
In Genesis 2:4 the time of creation is spoken of as just ONE day and the word "history" or "generations" is used indicating a long period of time.
Darth, I respect that that is your belief, but this kind of argument has been soundly debunked. See links from above links. Notice you gave us no sound reason to accept your conclusion -- you gave us two fallacious arguments and otherwise left it as "elephant hurling".
The fallacies there are that a calculation can be done over one hundred years ago and still be correct (2 + 2 for example has been calculated probably for as long as there were humans, and even evolutionists would say it's far older than 100 years!). You would have to show either that an error or unwarranted assumption was made in the calculation, or that calculating age based on the biblical record isn't reliable at all (as atheists would presumably say as well as many other nonbelievers and even some compromising believers). Both of these attempted criticisms have been soundly debunked; see those sites.
Second, someone can believe the Bible to be a historical record, believe Earth to be much more than 6000 years old, and yet be wrong about the second belief (especially since the Bible itself debunks it, making their views self-contradictory). Those aren't mutually exclusive possibilities, so showing that believers accept old ages is of no use in determining if Earth really IS "old".
LB, that is incorrect; Genesis's grammar is crystal clear that six earth-revolution days took place before Adam's creation. Six days compared to 6000 years is trivial; both Earth and Adam were made "6000 years ago". And that is a rough date anyways; obviously it's not down to the second as of this post (or even the year). See here:
Note especially that Jesus confirms this explicitly since he said that humans were made "from the beginning". And in Genesis, whenever 'yom' (day) is used with a number and the phrase "evening and morning" it always means one earth-revolution day (about 24 hours), plus the first usage in Genesis explicitly states this, defining its meaning for the other five uses.
You are on the right track by bringing up that the Earth specifically is what is this age. More distant parts of the universe may be older from their own relativistic reference frames:
Re: Gen. 2:4 -- Yom there is NOT used with a number or evening/morning. This is like the statement, "In the old days it took six days to get to X location" and the like; context is key. And the "toledoth" lines ("generations") mean "the account of", and are always in context of human lifespans afterward, so there's no evidence it could mean millions of years, etc. See:
Don't you know that evolution has been declared debunked by religious scholars? There can be no better, more authoritative source to tell you 99% of all biologists are wrong!
"religious scholars? There can be no better, more authoritative source to tell you 99% of all biologists are wrong!"
Straw Man fallacy. We believe evolutionists and other old-earthers are wrong because their scientific arguments have been -soundly- debunked and because the ultimate authoritative source, the omniscient God who can't lie, and proved the Bible to be his Word with unfakeable prophecies, miracles, Yeshua's resurrection, unguessable scientific accuracy (for "primitive goat herders" as atheists think are the only source of it), etc.
Also a populism fallacy. Truth is not determined by majority but by sound reasoning alone. And any honest biologist would tell you that 99% of biologists have in the past been wrong on any number of things.
Plus, biology is not primarily where the age of the earth comes from, scientificially speaking. Biology shows us that life is here, the types of life are here, and that downward changes consistent with biblical creation and the fall occur (but "upvolution" does not). It's mainly from geology, radiometric assumptions, and indirectly astronomy that old ages come in from a scientific standpoint.
True, evolutionary beliefs require long ages, but that comes from a worldview presupposition, not out of actual sound scientific evidence from biology. Ironically, many biologists see only creation evidence in their OWN field (like many fields), but assume some other field must have the proof.
Darth - My tongue was firmly planted in my check when I wrote that comment, but it seems I may have released a few monsters. ; )
I can only confirm that the Earth is 63 years old. Anything beyond that is out of the realm of my experience.
Once again, the discussion around C14 is proof positive that none of you even know geological dating works. Take the time to learn or leave it up the professionals.
Actually, it was an appeal to absurdity and a purposefully one at that.
Your argument for creationism is a begging the question fallacy.
SP and HIR, same response to both of you -- how so?
And specifically, I do have a pretty good idea of how it works, but not sure you meant me. *shrugs* And as a logician I don't use fallacies. ;)
"Carefully studying the Biblical record, we find that the universe has an age of around 6,000 years"
It's amazing that people still believe in this 6000 year old myth. I suspect some people continue to live in Shymalan's 'The Village".
Sorry, SOVEREIGNSOUL, I missed the sarcasm, but I love how everyone backed up their statements with internet links. You know they can't put anything on the internet that isn't true. I read that on the internet. Humans have been around for hundreds of thousands of years, and dinosaurs were around millions of years ago. This 6000 year claim is based on faulty thinking, like looking down at a 2 foot by 2 foot piece of asphalt and determining that the entire planet is covered in a hard, black surface marked with paint. You can "prove" it by continuing to look down at the ground beneath you. Think about it for a minute: if Adam and Eve were around 6000 years ago, and Noah's flood occurred 4000 years ago, then the entire earth was populated in 2000 years starting with just one woman, and then completely repopulated in another 2000 years by the time Christ was born starting with just four women. I'm no mathematician or biologist, but I don't think the numbers add up.
bonesiii: Let's try this again, for about the 12th time with you people. The very fact that so many of you cite "problems" with C14 that betray the writers total ignorance of the subject, also betrays your collective ignorance of Paleontology. The geological dating techniques used in that context is Na-Ar, not C14. Creationists are the worst of fake-science amateur hour. I'd rather deal with Ancient Astronaut cranks.
I'm a bit late to this reply so this is probably futile, but might as well briefly answer.
Notice, folks, that both Darth and SP implicitly admitted that ignorance is bad, even while demonstrating gross ignorance themselves (especially SP to think -I- don't know the difference between those radiometric measurements! I point them out all the time, and he could have learned that at the very links I provided -- most likely he didn't even read them, for all his bragging about being knowledgeable). Inverse Accusation Syndrome strikes again!
Notice also that neither had a ready-made talking point to explain to us why the radiocarbon found in layers claimed to be far too old for it to last could be there. If we're so obviously ignorant to think this is a problem, it should have been easy to point out why, but they said nothing about it.
There actually two stock talking points they could have used (instrument error or contamination, but both have been ruled out). In absence of specific parrot points, they just acted like a bad google search and spat out the closest answers to the terminology from their memorized talking points list. XD
And at no point did they allow themselves to think for themselves. Very sad, guys.
Also, Darth, actually population statistics is one of the most important evidences for the biblical timescale, and a MAJOR problem for evolution. See:
And related links there.
Typocorrect from previous: There are actually...
July 23, 2013 at 1:26pm
Sorry Harry…the Bible DOES talk about homosexuality. It doesn’t talk about (as you call it) same sex marriage because in biblical terms, it doesn’t exist. But, the bible is very clear on homosexuality. I actually googled it after you were asking for references. Besides Sodom, please read Lev. 18:22, Lev. 20:13, 1 Cor. 6:9-10 & Romans 1:26-28. These are not my words, They’re the LORD’s, take it up with him. He’s your creator and you’ll have to face him some day just like I will. I also remember a verse that says something about: “Rely not on your own understanding but on every word of God”.
July 23, 2013 at 11:42am
So Mr. harrypotter, can you give me an example where God said it is okay for 2 people to get married whether straight or gay if only “they love each other”? So if a 30 year old wants to marry a 14 year because “they love each other” or they want to marry their dog because “they love each other” is that okay to? So where do we draw the line? Why is it businesses don’t have the right to choose their clientele anymore?
July 3, 2013 at 9:17am
and they all were only eating vanilla ice cream and no chocolate….how racist they must be!
Unprofessional. Just like the "joke" he told to the jury. This guy is a major clown. Nothing "wrong" with the pic, but it's undeniable that he's a jackass.
BaldingEagle1776, get over it. You people remind me of toddlers. Learn how to not be offended by everything and stop acting like little whiny babies.
That freedom of speech, first amendment thing really sticks in the craw of libs these days.
Bald, quit your whining. Get a life. Humor.
Get over it commie progs. You are going to lose this one. Get ready to riot. Get your trash bags ready. This crap should have never come to court. It is Obama and his reprobates behind all of it.
Is that a Chic Filet lable on the cone?
They are homophobes too!
What would it be if they got strawberry ice cream instead?
I’m glad the prosecution was able to bring in the teacher that taught Zimmerman about self defense because the defense is having a hay-day with it and is proving that the teacher agrees that what Zimmerman did was justifiable defense.
Also, the teaching job was his first and only teaching job for that one class only and he never taught Florida law specifically just self defense law in general.
One more thing; the term “stand your ground” wording is not in any law book it’s just a nickname and might not have been mentioned in class.
Way to go prosecution; another attempt to lose this case on purpose.
"If the hoodie does not fit, you must acquit."
The bottom line is that Zimmerman didn't do anything wrong.
If Zimmerman was a flamboyant sports figure that put his embrace around Kim Jung Un you libs would be offering him the Nobel peace prize. But he's not. He's just an average guy taking an active interest in being a responsible member of his community.
This whole trial is a social experiment being put on by the state to set the new precedent on the limits on how far protected classes of people can go before they suffer the consequences of their actions.
I SO HOPE Zimmerman wins........and then SUES CNN for reckless endangerment as the "icing" on the cake.
I also feel for the parents of Martin, but in retrospect, if Martin didn't have a racist chip on his shoulder non of this would have happened. And I also think Miss Jeantel instigated and motivated some of this as well before she hung up the phone. I know how some of these girls can be. They got big attitude when it comes to whitey. Her contemptuous attitude was witnessed on the stand during examination. THAT'S WHY SHE DIDN'T ATTEND HIS FUNERAL. She felt guilty.
Too bad they didn't have a transcript of that call.
I'd bet she told TM to go beat up that "crazy a s s c r a c k a"
I am of the opinion from what I have seen with this trial that the judge is steering this trial in favor of the state. This is really obvious and is probably going to be the foundation of a re-trial should the state win. Zimmerman is defiantly in a kangaroo court.
I thought NSA had all those phone calls recorded? Bring them out and stop the speculation.
I see it as well.
Don't ya think that if that phone call had any information that would help the state's case it would have already been leaked by NSA?.
Too bad they didn’t have a transcript of that call.
The state has it, it just doesn't serve their agenda. It's buried deep by now.
The NSA does not store the full audio of every conversation. If you do the math, it will be apparent to you how difficult that would be from a storage standpoint.
I think the most important thing this trial has accomplished is that it's exposed just how under-educated racist, hateful and woefully ignorant a lot of black youth are in this country. Not only do we have the bloated and hostile Jeantel who can't read her own letters but twit "gtwizz407" (as shown in the screenshot of "tweets" above) is either just out of kindergarten or is in desperate need of remedial English classes.
while it wasn't wrong, or breaking any rules, I wouldn't have wanted my family or friends to post anything related to this case if I were involved in any manner. If for any reason other than being superstitious and not wanting to 'jinx' myself with bragging (or family bragging about me)
But also, if i was Zimmerman, I wouldn't have wanted my 'best friend' to write a book profiling what I said before the trial either. But I'm obviously biased against this sort of thing, seeing as how I haven't posted something on FB for months, and usually only sign on once every 2 - 3 months. And no I'm not an old fart, I'm 26
This is a Michele Obama deal! This is setting a bad example for kids - Ice cream has been taken off all school menu's. This might reverse her whole school program for heathy meals.
The defense pwned the prosecution. Every piece of evidence has helped the defense. In fact, the prosecution seems to be helping the defense nearly as much as the defense lawyers. So, do you think that the prosecution attorneys should charge Zimmerman lawyer fees for helping out his defense so much?
I guess I'm a racist, as I cannot stand the taste of chocolate anything.
Not even a chocolate sprinkle! Those white supremacists.
I guess we all seem to have forgotten that a man is dead here. Regardless of your opinions on Zimmerman, There is a dead person involved show some RESPECT. Lawyers are not allowed to ridicule witnesses publicly. This could actually be a case of judicial misconduct. The rule against such ridicule is designed so that people are more likely to testify. If it was a private family moment and unrelated why were their hashtags for the trial on the post?
You are a defense attorney in a high profile case, you and your family should know better. There is no winner here if Zimmerman wins there is still a dead child, and if Zimmerman loses there is still a dead child. SHOW SOME RESPECT!
The NSA does not store the full audio of every conversation. If you do the math, it will be apparent to you how difficult that would be from a storage standpoint.
C'mon. What do you think it's there for.......to only collect phone numbers?
Did you read the part of the article where they mention that the photo was taken before that witness took the stand, and that the date has been confirmed?
Chill, everybody! The CHILDREN posted the picture and the caption. All dad did was have an ice-cream cone with the kids & take a family picture with them. Sure it was dumb of the kids to use that caption, but, they are INDIVIDUALS - remember what that means?
Oh, as for baldy's comments... I know individualism escapes liberals, but, perhaps you can accept YOUR guilt for the children - after all, they don't belong to the parents anymore - they belong to us all - as such, shame on you for LETTING the kids post that! Where's your censorship!?!? You're supposed to be protecting me from speech you don't like - you failed, miserably if you don't like what they said.
Long live the 1st Amendment!
YOU'REARGUMENTATIVE...tell me...are you as vociferous in your condemnations pertaining to the death of Martin when the "Twitterverse" is lit up with black youth declaring they will kill Zimmerman and his defense team if Zimmerman is found not guilty?
Certainly there's professional decorum to be observed by an attorney in the midst of a trial...does that also apply to the children of these lawyers though?
If you believe that may we should talk, I have this bridge I just picked up really cheap.
I guess the truth bothers the defense team. They not only beat stupidity aka Rachel Jeantel, they obliterated it.
"That freedom of speech, first amendment thing really sticks in the craw of libs these days."
Liberals love freedom of speech... progressives do not. You really need to understand your teminology a bit better. Liberals have always (and continue to) say things like, "I may disagree with what you are saying, but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it".
What the democratic party has become today is Progressives. True liberals want no part of them.
and the prosecution proves that beating stupid is like playing whack-a-mole. It just keeps popping up somewhere else. It's pretty funny that they just assume it was targeted at their star witness though.
It's not like they shot someone.
I think I missed the point of the article.... What is the issue with the photo????
Jul. 3, 2013 at 9:35am
Unprofessional. Just like the “joke” he told to the jury. This guy is a major clown. Nothing “wrong” with the pic, but it’s undeniable that he’s a jackass.
I've heard many a motivational speaker suggest, "If you're nervous that you'll do something stupid, lead with the stupidist thing you can imagine. Then say to yourself, "I can't mess up more than this." and go on to do a marvelous job. That's what I thought of the minute I heard of his opening. He's done marvelous ever since!
Jul. 3, 2013 at 10:59am
Too bad they didn’t have a transcript of that call.
I’d bet she told TM to go beat up that “crazy a s s c r a c k a
I'm sure NSA has it, the only obstacle is getting the judge to sobpoena it.
What?? No watermelon ice cream? If Zimmerman is found innocent, America better get ready for coast-to-coast violent chimpouts as 'de bruthaz' instantly start looting, raping, rioting, killing and burning down entire city blocks.
Jul. 3, 2013 at 11:21am
The NSA does not store the full audio of every conversation. If you do the math, it will be apparent to you how difficult that would be from a storage standpoint
Read the "Full Skinney" on that Utah installation. There were reports and site maps before it was built and that's EXACTLY what it's there for.
There's an assumption that he's talking about the girl, because she was obviously stupid. He may have been talking about the entire case put forward by the prosecution....stupid as well. I think the fb pages put up by people who advocate for Zimmerman's death are much more offensive.