But how do you and your ilk explain Article III of the twice passed Northwest Ordinance Religion,Morality, and Knowledge being necessary to good Government and the Happiness of mankind, Schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.” How do you and your kind explain the history of American education 1607–1865? How do you explain Justice Joseph Story -1833 Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States on the General if not universal sentiment in America when the Constitution was adopted.Dr.Benjamin Rush on teaching the Bible in School? OR all the other voices from the Founding era up to 1892 unanimous US supreme Court decision church of the Holy Trinity v. the United States “…this is a Christian nation…” and the book by Justice David Brewer published in 1905 “the United States a Christian Nation” Es verdad none of this matters to the enlightened atheist.and the dogma taught by those who hate God.
April 16, 2013 at 7:51am
Yes and as at Ft.Hood will the domesticated terrorist in the White House declare it to be a workplace incident? As with Benghazi will he arrest Pamela Geller for inciting the Muslims–as he did that movie producer who made his film about their bloody prophet?
April 14, 2013 at 6:37am
It matters if that State allows the Rainblow flag of the Reprobate Nation be displayed.To the Moral and Religious sodomy is still a Crime of Infamy worthy of death. It matters also because the only other flag I know of that has been treated thus–is the Stars and Bars of the Confederacy.It matters because the soviet Communist reflection in the Flag of the Offensive United Nations is allowed in almost any State and the Laws and Goals of the United Nations pressed upon us all and no-one is allowed complain,nor remove it.
April 12, 2013 at 8:49am
Only thing I can add to what you posted–if possible–is in my opinion the Second Amendment merely recognized a fundamental right that has existed at least since the Gospel of Luke was written (Luke chapter 22 verse 36) Note; Thomas M.Cooley tracked the Second Amendment right back to the English Bill of Rights adopted long before our American Declaration of Independence) Congress has no authority over the Second Amendment unless it tosses the entire Constitution or has a Constitutional Convention as provided by the US Constitution. Like Mark Levin broadcast their action
Thursday was unconstitutional. The Second Amendment is not subject to an up or down vote.
April 12, 2013 at 8:34am
Tom do you really believe the Crap that Race– and Sexual Orientation can be equated? modern Science can discern reasonably well if an item is male or female– from the womb to the tomb. Science cannot discern equally well if an item is homosexual–or heterosexual -or when the same sex behavior /orientation began –or when it might end.Science can notice only the affects of such deviant behavior. i.e disease–physiological changes that are a result of the behavior. As Dr.Dean Hamer who was “expert witness” in the Amendment #2 political trial published a decade after he announced he had found a genetic model for male homosexuality continuing research has Not
verified by independent study his published research. To the contrary it has NOT gone well for him. And he noted that his assistant who claimed she found a female/lesbian model–in study of twins and triplets–Dr.Dean Hamer said she suggests what genetic science has not –i.e. that a child born of a homosexual parent could be more like the mother than that child’s sibling twin or triplet.(study of genetic twins and triplets) General Colin Powell published in Crisis in 1993 that to compare skin color to sexual orientation is” a convenient but invalid argument.” His views on Gays in the Military may have changed– but he said he stands by his view on the comparison of race and behavior. _-and I agree with him in this.
April 11, 2013 at 9:33am
T’anks– 65Mustang. We do so agree, Until/unless the State produces the transcript of the lecture and I can see for myself if there was any misrepresentation– I must stand with this Sheriff T.
April 11, 2013 at 9:25am
INDYGUY– We agree–T’anks. We were taught Army Values at ft.Campbell Ky. in 1969– when I saw how the enemy savaged Lt.Gen.Jerry Boykin for speaking at a christian church as a Christian Soldier I was aware the Values had been changed. Now the man who once led the Delta Force is now VP at Family Research Council .These e-mails according to FRC were sent five days before a shooting in the lobby of FRC by a man carrying a 9 mm handgun and 80 rounds extra Ammo and 15 Chick Fil A sandwiches. the Court prosecution’s review of a computer at Floyd Corkin’s home showed he was a follower of the Southern Poverty Law Center. leading me to wonder if Jack Rich is also. Major Malik Hasan who planned and prosecuted Jihad at Ft. Hood –in what the Army does not call a terrorist act but a workplace incident. Maybe the Army Values Jack Rich is speaking of as “Our Army Values” are those of the “soldier of Allah” who still draws Army Pay and those he killed or wounded denied the Order of the Purple Heart– Maybe those are the Values Jack Rich defends. Mr.Jerry Boykin of the FRC does reflect the Army Values we were taught at Ft.Campbell. Mr.Allen West of Florida also reflects the Army Values we were taught at Ft. Campbell. As does that Honorable Roy S. Moore -of Alabama . Pastors Arnold Murray of Shepherds Chapel , and Pastor Charles Stanley and yes even Mr. Perkins of FRC-who all served ,and were trained by the USMC. reflect my Values. need I continue?
April 9, 2013 at 4:32pm
Those who say the Bible says in several places we are to obey the law of the land.Ought study carefully the sermon preached by Samuel West in 1776 –On the right to Rebel” I find the sermon clearly puts the Christian response to bad government. when the magistrate begins to call evil good and good evil they cease to be ministers of God and become instead ministers of Satan and it becomes our duty as much as possible to resist and oppose them..Francis Schaeffer much closer to our time gave a Christian response to bad government. and remember the confessing church –when the Nazi attempted to control the church.
April 4, 2013 at 9:25am
funny thing watching those boys in blue being used as window dressing. A good number of them seem to have resented being used to dress up that campaign stop–reminded me something I heard an old cowman say once– you can dress up the cow poop all you want but it will still smell the same and it will always be dung. Obama can say whatever he wants–and have as many cops– or soldiers– or children –or whatever he chooses as window dressing but he will always be dung.
April 3, 2013 at 7:32am
I walked out of a College course back in the early 80′s when the unwashed College professor said that Vietnam didn’t mean nothin’ “Because we lost!” There is nothing between the two except an animus toward the veteran. I didn’t lose nothin’ and there was a similarity in the age and experience between me and Dan. The College I went to did not kick me out . sounds like Dan has one heck of a case if he can afford a lawyer-These days unless you can purchase justice there is None.
March 29, 2013 at 7:53am
SHAME on the man who would be President -if he were a natural born citizen-a Patriot if he were not a Communist–a Christian if he were not an unbeliever.Shame on Obama for forgetting the United States Constitution and laws made pursuant to it–that he is by law sworn to defend but has opted to”change” instead. Resistance to Tyranny is Obedience to God. And Obama is no god.the difference between Obama and dung is dung can be used to make good things grow –Obama is just plain Toxic.
March 27, 2013 at 8:56am
The US Constitution does NOT speak of “Marriage” for “marriage” is a States rights issue. The supreme
court has No standing. — except when it comes to behavior–ie. the stacking of legal cases prior to the admitting of Utah into the Union ,Reynolds v. the United State,1878–Murphy v. Ramsey and Others, 1885–Davis v. Beason,1890– Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints v. the United States,1890 .Back when we were yet that nation established a Christian nation –as found true in Church of the Holy Trinity v. the United States,1892 and book by David Brewer The United states a Christian Nation ,1905. -upheld in 1931 U.S. v. Macintosh, cited from in 1952 Zorach v.Clauson- declared controlling legal precedent 1991 Chapman v. the U.S. The rebellious progressive and the unbeliever will reject Reason.
Marriage is a state issue. Yet no state nor any other government may pass any law that violates the Constitution, so says the Supremacy Clause in Article VI. The 14th guarantees equal protection under the law. The argument must be made that a homosexual does not deserve the exact same treatment by state law as a heterosexual. That argument has yet to be made. The same Constitutional reasoning that struck down 17 state bans against interracial marriage in 1967 will eventually prevail in this case as well. The 14th is not about popular, if it were blacks would still have to pay a fee to vote
You are absolutely right, Marine. Good comment.
"The 14th guarantees equal protection under the law"
The 14th amendment was written for slaves (blacks). A black man/woman is anatomically identifiable by biology as a class or group of people. A "homosexual" is purely defined by what their sexual desire is. Is that the criteria for which we classify a group? What about bisexuals? What about pedophiles? What about incest? What about gays who turn straight or vice versa? You can't answer it.
Bottom line: Marriage is now and has ALWAYS been defined as a man and woman because they can pro-create and create a family. A "homosexual" couple is by definition NOT EQUAL to a heterosexual couple.
Also, a homosexual man has the EXACT SAME rights as a straight man. A Black man did not, nor was it possible for him to have the EXACT SAME rights as a white man. Your arguement is foolish and lacks reasoning.
Sorry if that hurts your feelings. It's just fact.
Marine: Your argument fails to hold water. Homosexuals are treated the same as heterosexuals in regard to marriage. Any homosexual can marry anyone of the opposite sex the same as a heterosexual. Additionally, your argument makes a compelling case for sibling to sibling, parent child and adult child marriage.
So you are equating paying a fee to vote to the issuance of a license by the state? Seems like a stretch to me.
Obtaining a license is not a right. Otherwise we could not be denied drivers licenses, ether. If licenses cannot be denied, then I guess they are really just a tax, not a license at all (which implies some criteria is met to obtain it).
I'm not a doctor, should I be able to get a medical license? What's the legal difference between the two?
If we were jailing homosexuals for proclaiming they were married and for living together, you'd have a valid point and my support. Whining that society won't accept your behavior as normal and license it really doesn't trigger my sympathy.
@ jeffile and the others who are hung up on incest and pedophilia
Sexual relations between a sister or brother is already a crime in most states, and pedophic activity is criminal universally. No one is suggesting the 14th gives license to commit criminal acts, only that if any government offers benefits to some citizens that the law be applied equally to all. Religious organizations can acquire tax exempt status as long as the are not breaking existing laws. Not just Christian churches, but those of all denominations. The fact that most people in America are Christian and heterosexual has no relevance at all when it comes to applying the 14th. Marriage is a legal opportunity available to anyone so long as said opportunity does not imply criminal activity such as incest, pedophilia, or polygamy. Homosexuality is not criminal activity. Therefore those who are homosexual do not surrender any portion of their rights as Americans to equal protection.
It would have been nice if you had actually cited some sources to prove your statements.
Let me ask you, does the constitution consider marriage a right?
Who were the first people in America to get married? Judeo Christians or gays?
Homosexuality was around during the time of the Founders, so why wasnt it listed as a right?
Is a mental disorder considered a right? So are schizophrenics constitutionally protected as well?
You're a troll and all you do is sabotage higher discourse. Get lost.
March 27, 2013 at 8:45am
Jesus-that Rabbi from Nazareth called Christ when teaching at the Temple in Jerusalem was asked about Divorce. by a Pharisee. and the gospel of Matthew chapter 19:4-6 records the relevant portion of the reply. Jesus responded by citing the Law of Moses Genesis 1:27 God Created them male and female.Created He them. and Genesis 2:24 “for this cause a man shall leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife,and the two shall become one. ” Now only the ignorant, or the rebellious could say “marriage” has not been defined. In 1885 the US supreme Court defined necessary and wholesome legislation , family , and “marriage” as between a man and a woman. Reflecting the Bible- the Religious and Moral model. Jesus noted in his day that fornication (sexual immorality ) was grounds for divorce. and hat any man who divorced his wife for any other reason and married another committed adultery. (a violation of the Divine Law -the 7th Commandment) Marriage has very clearly been defined. the Rebellion against God-in America has reached a stage reminding me of the Falling Away that announces the second coming of Christ.
March 26, 2013 at 9:38am
So help me understand this the Second Amendment as adopted still reads “…. the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” Yet the same enemy that we need to embrace the destructive fraud of same sex marriage /”marriage equality” insist equally loudly that the Second Amendment does not extend to all “people”– “marriage” is not spoken of in the US Constitution -it was a States rights issue. –as was “religion” DOMA became necessary when Mass. and then 8 other States redefined “marriage” to embrace sexual immorality. To protect the States Rights of the 31 States that have acted to protect “marriage” DOMA was necessary Colorado is NOW a SLAVE State — Despotic rule– divorced from the Sacred Writ- the Supreme Law as published in Matthew 19:4-6.by legislative Act our State is now divorced from Religion and Morality by a General Assembly that manifests their lack of Knowledge. Shudder to thing the supreme Court would have us be as Sodom and made like unto Gomorrah.
March 26, 2013 at 9:25am
I agree Please -God– Help us! I could care less what the supreme court decides –or does not– I have been twice married by different Judges in Civil Ceremony in Colorado Both Judges chose to reflect Matthew 19:4-6 as vital to that Marriage ceremony. The “progressive” Colorado Democratic Party controlled Legislature has divorced itself from Matthew 19:4-6–and from the Sermon on the Mount,and from the Ten Commandments by legislative actions under our Reprobate Governor.IF the supreme Court upholds DOMA– and REVERSES the Sodomite overthrow of Prop-8 in California allowing those who voted for Prop 8 a voice in their Government. it will be good. If the supreme Court does as the enemy anticipates and strikes down DOMA and upholds the Sodomite Walkers extremely anti-Christian and unjust parting gift to the LIARS “Cause” there will be No justice. I will simply treat all Civil Unions –and Fornicators and unbelievers as they are spoken of in the Sacred Writ.Laws that deny the rights of conscience and the free exercise of Christianity and Morality to elevate the Sodomite are simply VOID.
March 22, 2013 at 12:49pm
In response to the enemy in the FFRF “An avowed enemy of God, I scruple not to call an enemy of the country.” John Witherspoon,1776 , I placed on my property a white marble cross, and the dates when
Crosses were erected during the Founding era-and even after the First amendment was adopted. The FFRF cannot be reconciled to the terms used in the First amendment-Nor to the Commentaries written closer to the adoption of that fundamental law.And as the US supreme Court declared in 1905 that “the Constitution is a written instrument. As such it’s meaning does not alter.That which it meant when it was adopted -it means now.” so the enemy has only the opinion of a corrupted Court and the Metaphysical refinements and tests of logical skill that both Thomas Jefferson and Justice Joseph Story found out of place in understanding law /and the Law of our Constitution.
March 22, 2013 at 12:30pm
Never been to Coos Bay –but I have read the US Constitution and Bill of Rights and more than a single commentary –I do recall the Justice appointed to the US supreme Court by James Madison -the guy who graduated from Harvard and helped start Harvard Law– Justice Joseph Story in his Commentaries on the Constitution,1833 (third edition,1858 preface) did say that metaphysical refinements were out of place.. . the US supreme Court in 1905 decided a case that “The Constitution is a written instrument,as such it’s meaning does not alter. That which it meant when it was adopted it means Now.” And The First Amendment adopted by Congress Sept.25,,1789 didn’t say squat about no Govt. endorsement of religion-the terms used declare Congress shall make No law respecting an establishment of religion,nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof;” Does not say nothing that can be construed like the bloody enemy in the FFRF suggest it says. The US Congress in Reports of committees 19 Jan.1853– Mr.Badger– Us Senate Judiciary Committee and 27 March 1854 Mr.Meacham , US House Judiciary Committee report both discussed the meaning of the”Establishment of Religion” and their commentary–like that of Joseph Story CANNOT BE reconciled to the crap by the FFRF. Keep the Memorial –Exile the enemy in the FFRF.for as John Witherspoon in a sermon honoring a proclaimed fast day declared “an avowed enemy of God ,I scruple not to call him an enemy of his country.”
March 21, 2013 at 8:26am
How many of those rockets were bought using the 500 Million the Slave to Islam Obama has ordered distributed to his Brother in Gaza?%00 Million to Jihadi in Gaza and 1.5 Billion in Jizya paid to Egypt– he got a permission slip from Hizballa prior to his visit to Israel-even showed an Islamic map that rejects Israel But he he cant buy their respect?
March 21, 2013 at 8:13am
It is more than just tacky– it equates to watching news video of Hanoi Jane Fonda when she was part of the Communist Revolution-as Americans were being held POW by Hanoi. IT equates to the Televised Treason of quick John he “other JFK from Mass. who served in Vietnam as a hero of the communist Revolution claiming War Crimes were committed and he committed War Crimes and nobody did anything about it. Now the Communists are appointed high positions in this Communist Administration of Barack Hussein Obama.But I guess I should be like everybody else in America–
Don’t Mean Nuthin!
March 17, 2013 at 6:46am
If Americans cared to consider the establishment of education in the Colonies-and the history of American education -until the reform after the Civil War. . . . IF Americans considered the twice passed Northwest Ordinance Article III Religion,Morality, and Knowledge being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind ,Schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.”And the words of men like Dr.Benjamin Rush -and others who believed we needed to teach the Bible in school –yet we allow the enemy to claim it unconstitutional to display a portrait of Jesus Christ -a gift of a class graduated. Calling all the Clans together.Time we started insisting on America being American again Not some secular porta-potty for the Progressives.