I am basing my opinion on what I saw in the video. I was not there obviously. All I am saying is that had he fired his weapon, he would not be giving the hero’s interview on tv. He would be in custody. I applaud him for what he did in helping. I am saying the outcome could have been much worse. Introducing the gun to the situation could have escalated the situation unnecessarily. It is never wise to escalate an already violent situation. There are too many what ifs in this case. He got lucky. If they drew on him after he drew on them and he fired, he again would be at fault. My whole point is that there are too many ways this could have gone bad for the guy who drew his weapon first. I think his decision to draw, based on what I saw and read, was premature.
 April 24, 2015 at 1:42pm
The is not what I learned in my CC class. You are to do whatever you can to prevent or stop the crime and pulling the weapon is the last resort. Ask any attorney, had he fired, he was going to jail.
 April 24, 2015 at 1:36pm
If they felt they needed 7 to take down the old man, either they are a bunch of sissies or the old man is really a bad a$$. Either way .. do not draw on a fist fight of which you have no claim.
 April 24, 2015 at 1:27pm
I am a CC man myself, believe in the 2nd Amendment, and am as far right as anyone. Stopping the crime was a good choice and I commend him for it … BUT .. from a legal stand point, the man who drew was dancing on legal thin ice. Had he decided to shoot in this situation, he was going to go to jail. There were no weapons in the fight that he could see and his life was not in danger. From a hero perspective, he did the right thing, from a legal perspective, he almost landed in jail for potentially a long time.
Well Geek, if it were me, not knowing the familial situation, and I thought there was a chance that someone might lose their life if I didn't pull my weapon, I'd take that chance! I will defend my life as well as innocent others!
[-8] April 24, 2015 at 1:20pm
My thoughts from the interview were if they were to attack him he’d of shot. If they ignored him and continued to beat the man .. then what would he do ? Hmmm … approach and fire ? Were they armed ? Was the “victim” armed ?
The man’s decision to draw his weapon was flat out wrong on so many levels. Had he fired his weapon in this situation, there is no doubt he was going to jail.
What should he have done ?
1) Approach the situation carefully and assess for weapons and danger / damage.
2) Alert the assailants that the police have been called, to stop the violence, and announce that he is armed.
3) If they continue to beat the man, he could put enter the fight knowing he can never pull the gun since he initiated his entry.
4) If he enters the fight and ends up getting whipped, draws his gun and fires, he is going to jail for a long time.
5) If he fires a warning shot, which is very stupid and illegal, he is going to jail.
6) If the assailants had weapons drawn, fire away if you feel lucky.
Bottom line, you are supposed to use your gun to protect you and your family’s lives. If you witness something like this guy did, make a big stink and help if you can but do not pull your weapon unless you intend to fire it. It is unfortunate, but the old man was going to get his butt whipped or even killed. That is unfortunate. You cannot going around doing the job of the police officers. Let them do their job or leave your gun in your car and join the fun fist fight.
In most states, the law is clear. You may also use your weapon in defense of someone else who is in danger.
"had he fired"
what ifs dont count
He was RIGHT in what he did. He stopped the beating and no one got hurt. HOw can you possibly second guess what turned out to be the right decision?
I disagree with most of what you said, but he did make some very poor choices. First, most states allow you to protect yourself and the lives of others (family not required). I would not have challenged the thugs in the open as he did. If anyone from the fight had been armed, this citizen could have been in a gunfight. Also he telegraphed himself & his weapon & put the focus on himself. Had another citizen or off duty LEO been around the good guy would have made himself target #1.
I would have had vehicle between us. Yes I would draw, but keep the weapon at my side along my leg & only raised it if they approached & only to a low ready until they closed the gap, to a point I may need to fire (because I would have time as their direct path to me is blocked). You always want to eliminate the need for a rapid draw when you can. Even from an open & exposed (or duty) holster. You will do better to have your weapon out before you need it. A tactic I used when a group approached me & friends in a parking (& not to welcome us), I drew to my side & verbally challenge the group. When they talked tough back, I took a few steps to the side of my group & extended my arm about 6 inches from my side an turned my wrist to put the pistol into view, causing the group display their track & field skills. Nobody from my group understood why they ran & a few asked my why I didn't draw. I just smiled as I was re-holstering.
These skill need practice & make plans before things happen. Be aware.
If you CC you must read your own State's laws & not an interpretation. He was justified to draw but didn't take into consideration the full scenario. If he fired, the events that led up to the shooting at the time he fired would determine his justification. He had a reasonable assumption that the old man needed assistance. Drawing the weapon is, at times acceptable as a means to warn an attacker of your intent to use force if they continue. If you wait to draw & fire only when your life is in imminent danger, experts could claim that if you drew your weapon & challenged your attacker from a distance (over 21 - 30 feet - reference the Tueller drill) you may have avoided having to fire. The claim may also be made that you lured the attacker close for the purpose of shooting them. Remember, if you are prosecuted for firing your weapon the State will try to show you made a poor decision. If you draw & not even come up on target, but challenge the attacker you give the attacker knowledge and warning of your ability to protect yourself. This is one reason why police always verbalize stay back / get on the ground / drop the weapon etc. to let (everyone) know is happening; also by yelling at the attacker it prevents you from holding your breath too long & drop 02.
"Introducing the gun to the situation could have escalated the situation unnecessarily". The group was attacking an old man & he could have been killed, the gun stopped the attack, legally w/o a shot = GOOD JOB.
The Artist: I agree with your points except for one.—— “…you are supposed to use your gun to protect you and your family’s lives.”
You may use your weapon to save the life of SOMEONE ELSE or to protect them from serious bodily harm or from felonious assaults like rape, mayhem, arson, etc. They need not be “family”. “We the People”, by law, have and are the authority and have the responsibility to protect life and property. We have elected to delegate that authority to the police and law enforcement to maintain the peace for us. However, we have not given up that authority. We still possess it; like in “citizens arrest”. It is “We the People” who have the final say in law enforcement. The JURY of 6 to 12 peers has the last word and ultimate authority and responsibility of carrying out the law and justice. The police, court clerks, judges, courts, prosecutors, lawyers, sheriffs, jailers, politicians, ALL of Government SERVE “We the People”—–our wishes as expressed in the laws we make and approve of through our elected serving representatives. They WORK FOR US——And it is about time people wake up to that fact of reality.
Government, OF the people, BY the people, FOR the people means EXACTLY what is says.
 April 22, 2015 at 2:44pm
I work at one of the most liberal universities I know of .. I am infiltrating .. changing one simple mind at a time !!
 April 22, 2015 at 1:27pm
All liberals smell.
 April 22, 2015 at 1:26pm
I too have had to fend off the liberal brain washing. My kids did the same starting in about 4th grade. They came home stating how we were a bad country because of slavery and that muslims can be tolerant .. how guns are bad and nobody should have one. It is nuts. It is a long battle that must be fought. Stay tough and do not waver. Talk to your kids every day all the way through college and challenge the garbage they bring home.
I have challenged all my liberal friends at one time or another to sit with me, beer summit style, and go over the facts of bills and foreign affairs and policies. They won’t do it because they know their liberal progressive agenda is based on lies and deceit. It is pure evil running through their veins. Fight the good fight and in the end, the good and righteous will win.
 April 22, 2015 at 1:15pm
How wrong you are. I educate my kids on everything regarding public policy, foreign policy, the Constitution, current events, etc. We read together and watch the news together. The only difference between me and this brilliant young boy is that I told my kids to keep their mouths shut about politics in school… except he does make fun of the kids who have Obama voters for parents. There is no question that both my son and daughter could write this letter and then some. I am sorry you do not take the time to educate your children, or have you not been able to find a mate ? or maybe your parents did not educate you and you are a child yourself. Whichever it is, you are in a sad state. Pucker up for Hillary’s wrinkled behind.
You're in for a rude awakening when they get to college.
I work at one of the most liberal universities I know of .. I am infiltrating .. changing one simple mind at a time !!
April 22, 2015 at 9:08am
I sure would have and wouldn’t blame the officer if he unloaded his clip on him. Scumbag for sure.
 April 21, 2015 at 2:13pm
Religious Freedom is protected by the Constitution. Not Islam. Islam is not only a religion but a set of laws (sharia) that directly conflict with the Constitution. They can worship allah all they want but they cannot impose sharia in the United States.
 April 21, 2015 at 2:09pm
@getoff : My friend is a career US Army vet who was born in Iran, served under the Shaw’s Army and lived islam until he was 20. He defected, became a Christian, and joined the US Army. The story he tells from 1st hand experience is an incredible insight into the minds of muslims. All the “crazy” stories you hear about islam are true. He also states there is no such thing as a moderate muslim. They are bound by the quran. They are told to lie and kill the infidel in the name of allah. The reason they are not killing many here is because it is still illegal for them to do so. They are gaining ground and given the opportunity, they will kill all Christians, Jews, athiests, and anyone else who does not convert to islam. I tend to believe my friend and not someone who has never lived or experienced islam.
I'm sorry, but "your friend" is hardly an unbiased source.
Don't get me wrong, I hate IsIam. I detest it. I think it doesn't mesh with the Western world.
That being said, I also believe there are ABSOLUTELY moderate and liberal musIims in our country, and throughout the world. The notion that all musIims condone, tolerate, or sympathize with radical IsIam and terrorism is just as ridiculous as trying to claim that there is no problem with radicalization in IsIam.
Both are lazy "absolute" arguments, and both are absolutely incorrect.
April 21, 2015 at 7:59am
I do not see a problem here. A few people fight, the winners walk away, the losers wake up a bit wiser.
Everybody needs an a$$ whoopin every now and then.
 April 20, 2015 at 12:09pm
Because Obama is a Muslim and owns the media. He supports islam and hates Christianity and America so all we hear is good muslim, bad Christian and bad America.
Keep this in mind to all that read this .. the ONLY reason we (US Citizens) are not dead or in chains right now is the Second Amendment. If you take the second amendment away, you will see massive bloodshed.
 April 17, 2015 at 11:53am
I agree. Judge all you want. It doesn’t mean anything. God is the final judge and opinions do not matter. My thoughts are, in general, do what you believe is right, don’t try to make other people accept or do what you believe from a legal stand point (l i btar ds .. that one is for you), and quit being a big D.
April 14, 2015 at 8:05am
I disagree. It makes you think which creates the miracles in the brain. Logic is not a given, it is learned. The way you learn is by challenging yourself. A good simple example. I was a math major in college. Worked a summer job in a lumber yard. The carpenter was asking this grade school educated person to put a block of wood under the steps to secure the step. He spent an hour trying to figure it out. Not knowing what was going on, I walked up the the gathering by the step and took the block from the boy’s hand and placed it through the opening behind the step which he could not seem to see. It is all about being able to visualize the problem in terms you can understand.
 April 14, 2015 at 7:59am
You are incorrect. It can be deduced logically as the article explains and jluther explains in a similar approach. You have to be able to separate terms (Al and Bern) and visualize the process
from their perspectives. Not saying it is easy and trained math magicians will have trouble with it, but it can be solved as explained.
 March 18, 2015 at 10:20am
Blinkknight .. what do you have against dogs .. you racist.
 March 18, 2015 at 10:17am
blink knight .. the gay population is less than 1%, not main stream. The only reason it is a blip on the radar is because the Main Stream Media loves the drama and the squeaky wheel gets the grease. It doesn’t have the numbers to make a big impact on society as a whole. It does however have a big impact on the children that get involved, their perception of the “norm” which may lead to psychological issues from bullying from other children because their parents are queer, from not understanding why they do not feel like h u mping someone of the same sex. It also leads to the development of low moral establishments like the PCUSA where they now promote the h u m ping of two males or two females which most find odd. If we can have another of the same sex, why not a goat or a horse ? Where does it stop. It is behavior like this that is decaying this once great nation. This is the slippery slope. Most don’t care if someone is gay or not. Just don’t shove your junk down our throats, metaphorically.
 March 18, 2015 at 10:08am
LibertarianSocialist … the name itself defines who this person is … Pro-drug, pro-gay, anti-religion, pro-big government. Exactly the type of person who put Obama in office. A real smart guy. /sarc