Ask youreself who’s farther left. Romney or JFK. The Republican is never going to win by pandering to the middle. The Republican party establishment hacks need to be replaced. I followed these clowns in 2008, held my nose and voted for their “chosen one”. This time I voted MY principles, and even though this cycles “chosen one” lost, I still felt good about MYSELF. Next cycle (if there is one), I would suggest that if you stand and vote on YOUR principles, you may lose, but at least you can look at yourself in the mirror and did the RIGHT thing.
November 19, 2012 at 5:54pm
Since the next Speaker of the House has not been choosen yet. (That vote happens on Jan. 3, 2013). Since we can still pressure the Republican members of the house to vote for whom we feel would be the best Speaker. Since, Constitutionally speaking, the Speaker does NOT have to be a member of the House. Since the Speaker has the sole and unique power to draw up Articles of Impeachment.Since we need a Speaker that would draw up Articles of Impeachment on any President, no matter who that person is, or what party they are from, I nominate Ron Pual to be the Speaker of the 113th Congress. I have already called and e-mailed my Congressman this, I hope others will do the same.
November 16, 2012 at 10:59pm
Obama: You know John, thats not my leg….
November 16, 2012 at 9:47pm
Ron Paul should be selected as the next Speaker of the House.
November 16, 2012 at 4:29pm
@Sapient, just curious, but could you give me your definition of Liberty, so that I might understand what you mean by the phrase “pseudo liberty”?
November 16, 2012 at 3:46pm
@ Sapient. Perhaps I failed to communicate that the pursuit of Liberty isn’t about Ron Paul. YOUR pursuit to YOUR path is up to YOU. If you don’t find Ron Paul as an example for you in YOUR life, then so be it. I sighted many other examples that you may want to use as a guide in your life. The choice is up to you. I sincerley hope that the examples you look up to, and the path that you choose to follow leads you to the destination you desire
November 16, 2012 at 3:13pm
Study the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution. Take to heart the words “consent of the governed…” “… Bestow the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity…”Be true to yourself and to those around you. After all, it is truly up to us.
November 16, 2012 at 3:11pm
My fellow Liberty loving Americans, some of you still don’t get it. This Liberty movement or even the principle of Liberty isn’t about Ron Paul. He would be the first one to tell you that it isn’t about him. It is about you. It is about your hopes wishes and dreams you have for yourself and those you care about around you. Ron Paul is just a man (or woman) just like you. The only difference is that he stood up for his principles and voiced and voted on those principles. He has set an example for the rest of us to follow. Not him per say, but His principles of Liberty, the Constitution, sound money, fiscal responsibility. But just as Ron Paul is just an individual man, you are an INDIVIDUAL as well. You must form your own ideals, find your own principles and act on those for yourself. We have as a guide many great things from our history as Mankind to draw from. History from the Bible, from the teachings of Christ. From the history of great philosophers, from ancient civilizations, what worked and what didn’t. From the writings of our Founding Fathers. Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Franklin, Henry, Paine.. etc. Even more recent men such as Ghandi, Dr. MLK, yes even Reagan. Dr. Paul is just on more man in the history of mankind to lead the charge for Liberty. But it is up to each one of us to learn what Liberty means and carry that torch so that others might see the light. So learn to truly love Liberty, study our history as mankind.
Study the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution. Take to heart the words "consent of the governed..." "... Bestow the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity..."Be true to yourself and to those around you. After all, it is truly up to us.
Took your advice: studied the Constitution and Declaration, the Federalist Papers and the other writings of the Founders.
Ron Paul is 1000% incorrect in what he says...so much so, you would think he never read them.
@ Sapient. Perhaps I failed to communicate that the pursuit of Liberty isn't about Ron Paul. YOUR pursuit to YOUR path is up to YOU. If you don't find Ron Paul as an example for you in YOUR life, then so be it. I sighted many other examples that you may want to use as a guide in your life. The choice is up to you. I sincerley hope that the examples you look up to, and the path that you choose to follow leads you to the destination you desire
My point wasn't Ron Paul either...it was the pseudo liberty he advocates.
Hardly the real thing.
@Sapient, just curious, but could you give me your definition of Liberty, so that I might understand what you mean by the phrase "pseudo liberty"?
Sapient, Why don't you enlighten us on your concept of Individual Liberty and Freedom granted to us by the Declaration of Independence, Constitution and Bill of Rights? I have read other posts of yours and it seems to me that you are for more federal government control, so please, make a fool of yourself with your words of wisdom, if you dare.
The anti-Federalist papers are much better. John Adams pranced around in a purple robe acting like a king.
That was extremely well stated. I really wish I knew more people like you, soy, just, and resme. You individuals are the true patriots and counter-culturalists in this statist world.
Sapient, Nothing? Troll? What is the deal? Scared? Are you and Time_2 the same person?
Agnostic / West Coast / Resme
You may rest assured that "I dare."
What is interesting is that most of the arguments I have made that seem to grate so much, are simply an exegesis of the writings of the Founders.
Resme: thanks for being honest about your allegiance to what is NOT the founding principles of our nation. I appreciate honesty.
As for the rest, take a look at this:
""The fundamental source of all your errors, sophisms, and false reasonings, is a total ignorance of the natural rights of mankind. Were you once to become acquainted with these, you could never entertain a thought, that all men are not, by nature, entitled to a parity of privileges. You would be convinced, that natural liberty is a gift of the beneficent Creator, to the whole human race; and that civil liberty is founded in that; and cannot be wrested from any people, without the most manifest violation of justice. Civil liberty is only natural liberty, modified and secured by the sanctions of civil society. It is not a thing, in its own nature, precarious and dependent on human will and caprice; but it is conformable to the constitution of man, as well as necessary to the well-being of society." ~Alexander Hamilton, THE FARMER REFUTED (1775). The Revolutionary Writings of Alexander Hamilton 
BTW: I am not federal oppression, any more than I am for anarchy.
Hope it helps a bit.
Sapient, It figures you would use Alexander Hamilton as your source. Thomas Jefferson opposed him and I would put my faith in Jefferson over Hamilton with my individual liberty. Hamilton was all for a Central Bank and was responsible for creating the first Central Bank with the "First Bank of the United States" which was abolished by Jefferson later. "Historians regard Hamilton as the Founding Father who advocated for the principles of a strong centralized federal government and loose interpretation of the Constitution's various provisions... Although he was a devoted husband and father, Hamilton was politically tainted by entrapment in a sexual scandal. Throughout his meteoric political career, he both suffered and dispensed vitriolic abuse, ultimately leading to his death in a duel at the hands of his long-time political nemesis, Vice President Aaron Burr, in Weehawken, New Jersey, in 1804."
"Thomas Jefferson was known as a powerful advocate of liberty. Jefferson gradually assumed leadership of the Republicans, who sympathized with the revolutionary cause in France. Attacking Federalist policies, he opposed a strong centralized Government and championed the rights of states.
Ron Paul has been likened to Thomas Jefferson on many occasions as "The modern day Thomas Jefferson." Like I said before, you like more government control and less individual freedom, just like your other posts you have put up. You sir, are what we refer to as a Neoconservative.
Another Statist for a "strong" central government. Left from a king wanting another king....
" thanks for being honest about your allegiance to what is NOT the founding principles of our nation. "
What founding principle? The "founders" weren't perfect... Adams put a congressman in JAIL for making fun of his fat belly.. Hammy wanted a central bank and fiat currency.
My loyalty lies with my family and god.
"Observe good faith and justice toward all nations. Cultivate peace and harmony with all. ...The nation which indulges toward another an habitual hatred or an habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest". George Washington - Farewell Address, September 17, 1797
See i can "nitpick" quotes also.
"I have always given it as my decided opinion that no nation had a right to inter-meddle in the internal concerns of another; and that, if this country could, consistent with its engagements, maintain a strict neutrality and thereby preserve peace". George Washington - Letter to James Monroe, August 25, 1796
Sapient, Instead of Neocon, I would say Croni-Capitalist would suit you better.
" And now, friends and countrymen, if the wise and learned philosophers of the elder world, the first observers of nutation and aberration, the discoverers of maddening ether and invisible planets, the inventors of Congreve rockets and Shrapnel shells, should find their hearts disposed to enquire what has America done for the benefit of mankind?
Let our answer be this: America, with the same voice which spoke herself into existence as a nation, proclaimed to mankind the inextinguishable rights of human nature, and the only lawful foundations of government. America, in the assembly of nations, since her admission among them, has invariably, though often fruitlessly, held forth to them the hand of honest friendship, of equal freedom, of generous reciprocity.
She has uniformly spoken among them, though often to heedless and often to disdainful ears, the language of equal liberty, of equal justice, and of equal rights.
She has, in the lapse of nearly half a century, without a single exception, respected the independence of other nations while asserting and maintaining her own.
She has abstained from interference in the concerns of others, even when conflict has been for principles to which she clings, as to the last vital drop that visits the heart.
She has seen that probably for centuries to come, all the contests of that Aceldama the European world, will be contests of inveterate power, and emerging right.
Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be.
But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy.
She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all.
She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.
She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example.
She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom.
The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force....
She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit....
[America's] glory is not dominion, but liberty. Her march is the march of the mind. She has a spear and a shield: but the motto upon her shield is, Freedom, Independence, Peace. This has been her Declaration: this has been, as far as her necessary intercourse with the rest of mankind would permit, her practice.
~John Quincy Adams served as U. S. Secretary of State, he delivered this speech to the U.S. House of Representatives on July 4, 1821, in celebration of American Independence Day.
Sapient, Rather than Neocon, I should have used the term Croni-Capitalist.
"Indulging no passions which trespass on the rights or the repose of other nations, it has been the true glory of the United States to cultivate peace by observing justice, and to entitle themselves to the respect of the nations at war by fulfilling their neutral obligations with the most scrupulous impartiality". James Madison (1751-1836) First Inaugural Address - March 4, 1809"
Resme, Nice Posts!!
First, I want to say that I have been away as West Coast Patriot for a while, and coming back today, I was able to get some posts through, until somebody saw I was posting. Then, my posts start to not appear, and I believe they will appear hours later, like they always do, in the order they should have been. This is an unacceptable practice of The Blaze and it happens all the time.
Sapient, I should not have called you a Neocon, but a Croni-Capitalist, although you might be both.
Resme, Nice Posts!!!
You see!!! My post as MADASHEII came right through as I am not red flagged by somebody on here. The truth lives here???? I think not. I post as West Coast Patriot and my posts are obliterated or take hours to appear after it is apparent that nobody will see them because of the 10 post limit on your handle page. This should let everyone know that The Blaze is not what it says it is, but a reporter for the Establishment. I suppose that now, MADASHEII will be flagged as well.. Wake up people.
Just so everyone knows, my last post as West Coast Patriot on this story I was able to get through before being flagged was my response to Sapient on him using Alexander Hamilton and talking about Thomas Jefferson. My next two posts that were flagged I put in my first post as MADASHEII telling Sapient that he was a Croni instead of a Neocon and the other telling Resme nice posts. Why were those flagged? Because they saw WCP posting, that is why.
West Coast Patriot
Sorry it took a bit to get back to you.
"Democracy will soon degenerate into an anarchy, such an anarchy that every man will do what is right in his own eyes and no man's life or property or reputation or liberty will be secure, and every one of these will soon mould itself into a system of subordination of all the moral virtues and intellectual abilities, all the powers of wealth, beauty, wit and science, to the wanton pleasures, the capricious will, and the execrable cruelty of one or a very few." ~John Adams, An Essay on Man's Lust for Power, August 29, 1763
BTW: the point of the observation is not simply about democracy degenerating into anarchy, but also the course of anarchy. Dare ya to find one that didn't.
Sapient, I knew you would show your ignorance. I am West Coast Patriot, but since my posts are now being flagged again, I am on as MADASHEII. Nice try, but you, like all Croni's, cut out the whole and spin what you want:
"A republic is the highest form of government devised by man, but it also requires the greatest amount of human care and maintenance. If neglected, it can deteriorate into a variety of lesser forms, including a democracy (a government conducted by popular feeling); anarchy (a system in which each person determines his own rules and standards); oligarchy (a government run by a small council or a group of elite individuals): or dictatorship (a government run by a single individual).
As John Adams explained:
[D]emocracy will soon degenerate into an anarchy; such an anarchy that every man will do what is right in his own eyes and no man’s life or property or reputation or liberty will be secure, and every one of these will soon mould itself into a system of subordination of all the moral virtues and intellectual abilities, all the powers of wealth, beauty, wit, and science, to the wanton pleasures, the capricious will, and the execrable [abominable] cruelty of one or a very few.20
Understanding the foundation of the American republic is a vital key toward protecting it." - David Barton 01/2001
You see, Adams was talking about how bad a Democracy is, but we have always been a Republic, and we are in danger of losing it totally.
Sapient, here is an informative video so you can understand the difference between a Republic, Democracy, Monarchy, Anarchy and Oligarchy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4j_ao89X0M&feature=player_embedded
Sapient, I should have added that this is why, we should have elected Ron Paul back when he was running on the Libertarian ticket, but, the powers at large will not let that happen, as we have become a Democracy to a point that Oligarchy is in full swing. This is why to this point, we have had two families in power positions for over four generations, the Bushes and the Clintons. GHW Bush, CIA Director; mid seventies, VP 80-88, POTUS 88-92. Bill Clinton POTUS, 92-2000, GW Bush, POTUS 200-2008, Hillary Clinton, Sec of State, 2008-Present. Now we are talking about Jeb for 2016?? Give me a break. The powers at large have us at their beck and call through the establishment media, and most of us just follow along like sheep. Sad, Sad Days.
Sapient? Sapient? Sapient? What happened, cat got your tongue?
Goodnight, I will check back in the morning.
Yep, here it is the next morning, 10-12 hours later, and my West Coast Patriot posts have made it on. They are the 4th, 5th and 6th posts on this page of WCP. ????????
Re: cats and tongues
Not to worry...I don't have the luxury of being on line 24/7...besides, didn't see your particular post.
You may rest assured that I know the difference between "Republic, Democracy, Monarchy, Anarchy and Oligarchy" and the sine qua non assumptions that differentiate them.
Fact is, some of those are valid and some are not because of a constant--human nature. A Republican form of government, particularly as refined here in the US by our Founders, is the best known solution.
Unfortunately, that is NOT what RP proposed, far from it.
Odd that in his farewell address he laid them out, but just never could give examples of where they had been implemented and worked.
West Coast / Resme
Re: "Sapient, It figures you would use Alexander Hamilton as your source. Thomas Jefferson opposed him and I would put my faith in Jefferson over Hamilton with my individual liberty."
You will need to explain what Jefferson actually said about the principles of our nation and where to find them:
"As to the general principles of liberty and the rights of man in nature and in society, the doctrines of Locke, in his ‘Essay concerning the true original extent and end of civil government’, and of Sidney in his ‘Discourses on government’, may be considered as those generally approved by our fellow-citizens of this, and the US. And that on the distinctive principles of the government of our state, and of that of the United States, the best guides are to be found in 1. the Declaration of Independence, as the fundamental act of union of these states. 2. the book known by the title of ‘The Federalist’, being an authority to which appeal is habitually made by all, and rarely declined or denied by any evidence of the general opinion of those who framed, and of those who accepted the Constitution of the US. On questions as to its genuine meaning. 3. the Resolutions of the General assembly of Virginia in 1799 on the subject of the Alien and Sedition laws, which appeared to accord with the predominant sense of the people of the United States. 4. the Valedictory address of President Washington, as conveying political lessons of peculiar value
Madashell / West Coast
Re: Sapient, I knew you would show your ignorance. I am West Coast Patriot, but since my posts are now being flagged again, I am on as MADASHEII
It shows my ignorance for taking you at face value?
Good quotes...the problem is that is not what RP has advocated....he offers a false delimma...and advocates voluntaryism...right in his farewell speech:
"Both are authoritarians. Neither endorses voluntarism. Both views ought to be rejected."
Funny, no one is willing to say what all that is supposed to look like if you got what you wanted. Please do, and dare to be honest about it, not like the folks over on Mises that plainly say they have to deceive so they can do what would never be approved. Elitist if you ask me...as described by one of you own, Thomas Sowell.
Re: Sapient, I should not have called you a Neocon, but a Croni-Capitalist, although you might be both.
Funny, quote the Founders, apply their principles, show how they differ from RP and that makes me a croni-capitalist or a neo con.
Awesome...if that's the definition I accept.
Sapient, What I see in you, is a guy that likes big government ruling on how everyone needs to live their lives. You sound as though you like the Democracy that we are now in. We are at the same place that Rome was in before their system crashed and they became an Oligarchy. It is coming, unless you have some wisdom about how we will avoid it. With the way you talk, you make it sound as if you do not believe we are in this troublesome situation, or you are thinking we are still what our founders put in place. I say we have strayed from their Republic form of government, and now are ready to lose it all. I also believe you do not understand Ron Paul and put him in with Libertarians that believe in an Anarchist form of society. I believe that you do not listen to what he truly is about because you are bias toward any Libertarian views. That is my take on you.
Re: You see, Adams was talking about how bad a Democracy is, but we have always been a Republic, and we are in danger of losing it totally.
Of course we are a republic...but that does not negate what he said about anarchy and the course of it he described should be a warning to those who hear it advocated.
"There is a natural and necessary progression from the extreme of anarchy to the extreme of tyranny; and that arbitrary power is most easily established on the ruins of Liberty abused to licentiousness." ~ George Washington Maxims, Circular to the States, June 8, 1783.
West Coast Patriot
Re: Ron Paul has been likened to Thomas Jefferson on many occasions as “The modern day Thomas Jefferson.”
Sorry, couldn't let that one go by.
The only reason someone could make such a statement is that they know nothing of Jefferson....something like Obama having the gall to use Lincoln's Bible to be sworn into office.
Thanks for the quotes...
FWIW: there is a difference between "cherry picking" and presenting a succinct statement of principle that will fit in a forum.
"But what is government itself, but the greatest of all reflections on human nature? If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself. A dependence on the people is, no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions." –James Madison, Federalist 51
Sapient, You are just not well schooled i think. I studied Law, the Constitution and business in college, and I just do not get you. Like I said, you are a big government guy and I am thinking you probably voted for Obama. Enough said.
November 11, 2012 at 7:31pm
Everytime i get down and depressed about the state of our Country, I play this version of the Star Spangled Banner from Madison Rising. It always picks me up and give me new strength to push on.
July 14, 2012 at 7:16pm
You mean Romneys “I’m a Right Wing Progressive” speech he delivered to the NAACP. Romney is left of Clinton. Massachucets has Romney care. Arkansas doesn’t have Bubba care. Romney makes JFK look like a Libertarian. “Ask not what your Country can do for you…..” VS. expanding Federal Government scholorships. You Romneybots seemed just as determined to destroy this country as the Obamabots
July 14, 2012 at 5:15pm
So, a (r)epublican, getting in front of a group of fellow Republicans, and talking about returning to Contitional values, persoonal Liberty and sound money, is now considered a “divisionist?” Makes me wonder what side YOU are really on.
June 23, 2011 at 6:14pm
Cool, have Congress lower their pay and offer no benefits. They go on strike and I get to get on an airplane without having to be radiated or groped. I have no problem crossing their picket line.
June 22, 2011 at 8:46pm
Do you understand what Liberty means?
June 22, 2011 at 8:38pm
June 22, 2011 at 8:35pm
Well said. If more of these so called conservatives would actually read the Constitution for themselves, and not listen to what other so called conservatives or so called constitutional scholars tell them that that it says, then they could weigh the candidates words and or record against the Constitution and make an informed intelligent choice.
June 21, 2011 at 9:25pm
I believe in life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I believe in justice. I believe that there is good and evil in this world. I believe that man should try to aspire to be the best person that he or she can be. I believe that man should be compassionate but that compassion should come from the individual not the government. Just because I do not believe in your God, does that make me your enemy?
June 21, 2011 at 9:03pm
We will always be with you, and defend your right to have your religious beliefs, and your right to speak your beliefs. I am concerned about “RATHER VIOLENT END” . I will give you the benefit of doubt and sign it off on passion and being tired of having your beliefs impugned and mocked .
June 21, 2011 at 8:46pm
I have absolutely no problem with the sign. The community and the families chose to remember the fallen hero’s that way. My fellow non-believers need to remember that this country was founded by believers and non-believers of God. The vast majority of the population is believers, and they have every right to express their belief. It’s their tax money that paid for the sign, and the city is following the wishes of it’s residents to erect the sign. The city is NOT establishing a religion, or prohibiting the free exercise there of, it is responding to its citizens to erect a tribute to it’s hero’s.